No it won't. we will always have football , boxing is how old?zed2283 said:It will be gone. The liberals always get their way eventually. Your argument is ironic because California is where it will be outlawed first.
No it won't. we will always have football , boxing is how old?zed2283 said:It will be gone. The liberals always get their way eventually. Your argument is ironic because California is where it will be outlawed first.
They didn't have the scientific evidence that they do now. Boxing will be gone too.No it won't. we will always have football , boxing is how old?
No it won't, but we could see.They didn't have the scientific evidence that they do now. Boxing will be gone too.
As a neuropsychologist, I can attest from clinical experience that every single 40+ year old patient I see complains of memory loss. Which fighters are slurring their words?There are other competitive outlets for your masculinity, weightlifting, amateur wrestling, etc. There are so many screwed up football players and of course boxers and now that MMA is 25 years old we are seeing these guys slurring and talking about memory loss.
This is curious. What is your understanding of the scientific evidence that currently exists? And, based on this, have you identified any limitations on what we know...and how we know it?They didn't have the scientific evidence that they do now. Boxing will be gone too.
That doesn't sound like football.No it won't, but we could see.
Nobody over 300 pounds
No kickoffs at all
No punts at all (just take the ball 45 yards away or half the distance.
Twek a few things.
And while ruining the game we will still have football.
I'm talking about all the CTE data that's out there. I don't know any more than I hear in the media, but my point is that's enough for them.This is curious. What is your understanding of the scientific evidence that currently exists? And, based on this, have you identified any limitations on what we know...and how we know it?
Maybe. in the future, it will be all robots except for the coaching staff who programs the plays. We will still be able to play fantasy football. Then some 21st century lamer will start complaining that the robots are getting hurt.They didn't have the scientific evidence that they do now. Boxing will be gone too.
The fact that they all are not invalidates the whole argument. Marvin Hagler is fine and he's taken a ton of huge shots to the head. It's all genetics. That's why Jack Lambert & Mean Jo Greene are fine while Mike Webster & Junior Seau are dead. It's no different that why some people live to 100 and others are dead at 70.There are other competitive outlets for your masculinity, weightlifting, amateur wrestling, etc. There are so many screwed up football players and of course boxers and now that MMA is 25 years old we are seeing these guys slurring and talking about memory loss.
Seems so. Unfortunately, there isn’t much CTE data out there, but the perception has been created that there is.I'm talking about all the CTE data that's out there. I don't know any more than I hear in the media, but my point is that's enough for them.
Perhaps. But, there are a lot of other things that neuroscientists need to do.The fact that they all are not invalidates the whole argument. Marvin Hagler is fine and he's taken a ton of huge shots to the head. It's all genetics. That's why Jack Lambert & Mean Jo Greene are fine while Mike Webster & Junior Seau are dead. It's no different that why some people live to 100 and others are dead at 70.
What they should be doing is trying to figure out a test that will determine if you are susceptible to CTE.
And that's how they do it.Seems so. Unfortunately, there isn’t much CTE data out there, but the perception has been created that there is.
To be fair, it’s probably important to understand the risks. If this is all nonsense, then creating public policy around a phony association is harmful. On the other hand, if the risks are established and quantifiable, then public policy—or at least informed consent—is better informed. I don’t think we should ignore it, I just want the reporting to align with the science. At this stage, media are way out over their skis.ZenoRazon said:I just watched a kid about 19/20 climb a Palm tree way up there, take a power tool and trim the top, if he falls he is dead. I doubt he makes all that much $$$$$ doing that, he just doesn't care. Not worried at all.
And there it is, people simply don't live that way. They want to live not.....but I could get hurt.........so what.
So you could get hurt playing football, so what, big damn deal.
You can get killed on the road, it's happening right now.
Big guys trying to knock each down, yep....could get hurt.To be fair, it’s probably important to understand the risks. If this is all nonsense, then creating public policy around a phony association is harmful. On the other hand, if the risks are established and quantifiable, then public policy—or at least informed consent—is better informed. I don’t think we should ignore it, I just want the reporting to align with the science. At this stage, media are way out over their skis.
Totally agree, as usual ya give an inch they take a mile.Rule changes allowing these pathetic endzone celebrations involving 11 players has gone too far..you make a tackle on 4th and one? see you in the endzone. you blocked a pass? see you in the endzone..you made a first? yay, good for you! see you in the endzone!
or if your michael thomas, you make a catch for 5 yards, you stand and flex your biceps..oh did you sneeze michael? flex your biceps!!!
it's just so annoying to watch now..
Mine is that virtually every former NFL player they've looked at has had CTE. Like 112/113 or something like that.This is curious. What is your understanding of the scientific evidence that currently exists? And, based on this, have you identified any limitations on what we know...and how we know it?
I am suggesting that if you examined the brains of 113 plumbers whose families were concerned about changes in cognition and emotional functioning before they died, it's likely we'd find brain pathology in 112 of those plumbers.Mine is that virtually every former NFL player they've looked at has had CTE. Like 112/113 or something like that.
So, sure. It's preliminary. We need to do the things you suggest (especially establishing a baseline in the general population).
Are you suggesting the preliminary evidence isn't damning and shouldn't be the cause for changes?
No one cares about boxing anymore, especially the heavyweights and middle weights. It was the heavyweights in the 70s and before and the middle weights of the 80s. After that no one cares about boxing (other than ICF, or other bs kick boxing) in the US.No it won't. we will always have football , boxing is how old?
I remember when watching the Pro Bowl meant something. I loved watching it back in the day. I also enjoyed watching the Super Bowl winners playing the college all-stars (bet most forgot about that), but it was usually one-sided. What they should have done was have the worst NFL team play the college all-stars. Perhaps there would have been better games.Good place to start, dump the pro bowl.
Careful there, people will start shouting "Get off of my lawn" at you.Rule changes allowing these pathetic endzone celebrations involving 11 players has gone too far..you make a tackle on 4th and one? see you in the endzone. you blocked a pass? see you in the endzone..you made a first? yay, good for you! see you in the endzone!
or if your michael thomas, you make a catch for 5 yards, you stand and flex your biceps..oh did you sneeze michael? flex your biceps!!!
it's just so annoying to watch now..
Always funny when ya talk to kids with....I remember when watching the Pro Bowl meant something. I loved watching it back in the day. I also enjoyed watching the Super Bowl winners playing the college all-stars, but it was usually one-sided. What they should have done was have the worst NFL team play the college all-stars. Perhaps there would have been better games.
Don Frey badly slurs his words, Gary Goodridge has to write down instructions as he leaves his house to get to the store and come back home. The list of boxers that slur is too many to start a list, we could begin with two recently deceased legends in Frazier and Ali.This is curious. What is your understanding of the scientific evidence that currently exists? And, based on this, have you identified any limitations on what we know...and how we know it?
I truly don't think that high school football is that dangerous, your main worry would be spinal chord injuries and chronic pain from a bad knee injury or various broken bones.Big guys trying to knock each down, yep....could get hurt.
What it is is that most people really don't care. Smoking can/will kill you.....how many smoke? You could be killed in a boxing ring, how many boxers have we seen? NASCAR,, how dangerous is that?
Who would be a prison guard?
I couldn't care less about the dangers in football, I played my son played and when he has a son he will play.
I don't want to live a life worried about injury, so I don't and neither do most people.
Slurring words and memory problems are not unique symptoms related to contact sports participants. They are, in fact, common sequelae of various forms of dementia in individuals with no prior history of head trauma.Don Frey badly slurs his words, Gary Goodridge has to write down instructions as he leaves his house to get to the store and come back home. The list of boxers that slur is too many to start a list, we could begin with two recently deceased legends in Frazier and Ali.
These men? Which men?These men are getting this at 45 or so, I doubt too many regular people are getting this dementia at that age. I know for something to be a scientific fact you need thousands of cases but it's more than obvious if you subject your brain to repeated trauma your odds of getting brain damage will be higher.
It’s posts like this that make me still check in here, albeit less than I used to.To be fair, it’s probably important to understand the risks. If this is all nonsense, then creating public policy around a phony association is harmful. On the other hand, if the risks are established and quantifiable, then public policy—or at least informed consent—is better informed. I don’t think we should ignore it, I just want the reporting to align with the science. At this stage, media are way out over their skis.
Lol, you cant be a doctor. You must be a lawyer.I am suggesting that if you examined the brains of 113 plumbers whose families were concerned about changes in cognition and emotional functioning before they died, it's likely we'd find brain pathology in 112 of those plumbers.
I do think this case series by McKee is provocative and absolutely warrants further investigation. But, case series design is an awful, terrible, no good, very bad way at establishing causality. It's a call to do more investigative work described above, but we really have to tap the breaks a bit on drawing conclusions from the autopsy data we have becauae they fail to address the questions that require answers before drawing conclusions about their significance.
I say this not as a flat earth guy or a skeptic of the harms of smoking or the serious dangers of global warming. We have an abundance of evidence to warrant conclusions and public policy measures on those issues because they all have survived the scrutiny of the scientific process. The CTE issue is another matter altogether, as it has not undergone thorough investigation at this point. There very well may be an association. But, there very well might not be, too. And, to draw any conclusions at this point is premature.
FWIW, it's the lawyers who are chasing ambulances all the way to the bank. The serious medical researchers, the doctors, are the ones telling folks, including the media, to tap the ####### brakes.Lol, you cant be a doctor. You must be a lawyer.
I don't think any of the big four have contracted in the past 10-15, have they? And if they did, it was for a brief period of time. I remember the NHL was swirling with rumors, but they expanded, IIRC, just like every other big franchise.Not today, not tomorrow, but over next 10-15 years.....I am willing to bet the NFL will have to fold some franchises. That's just my two cents.
You’re whole schtick is ridiculous here. The nfl didn’t give billions of dollars in a settlement because cite is a made up fantasy.FWIW, it's the lawyers who are chasing ambulances all the way to the bank. The serious medical researchers, the doctors, are the ones telling folks, including the media, to tap the ####### brakes.
Not going to happen. I will take that bet. From my experience, based on being a parent and interacting with other parents, there has been no hesitation with allowing kids to play football. I personally will not allow my children to play football until high school. My reasons are injuries and burnout, but I have had these reasons even before the CTE news. I’m from Nebraska BTW and we are not a huge high school football state, and again, I have seen no hesitation or apprehension from parents.NFL is in big trouble. Less kids today are playing football because parents don't want their kids to have major brain injuries.
The moment college programs get sued and lose in court, insurance companies will start to pull coverage, then college programs will shut down their football programs. Not all but many.
NFL has been pricing families out of the experience of going to a game for years. They are on many pay channels....they have alienated their fans.
Not today, not tomorrow, but over next 10-15 years.....I am willing to bet the NFL will have to fold some franchises. That's just my two cents.
I'm also originally from Nebraska and spent the first ~20 years of my life there. Played high school football for a pretty successful class B school. Let's just say that, from my personal experience, the parents of kids on Nebraska high school football teams aren't (on the whole) ones to listen to anything the "experts" have to say. My HS coaches (in the mid 2000's, mind you) would routinely deny us any water other than a handful of ice cubes during conditioning days in 95+ degree weather. Never heard a peep from anyone about it being something to be concerned about.Not going to happen. I will take that bet. From my experience, based on being a parent and interacting with other parents, there has been no hesitation with allowing kids to play football. I personally will not allow my children to play football until high school. My reasons are injuries and burnout, but I have had these reasons even before the CTE news. I’m from Nebraska BTW and we are not a huge high school football state, and again, I have seen no hesitation or apprehension from parents.
Litigation and public relations =/= science. I work in this field and know what I don’t know. What we don’t know. Abnormal tau aggregations are not made up fantasies, they are very real. Most of the time, like many abnormalities in the brain, there are many potential causative factors, most of which are unknown. I can’t compete with sound bytes and easy answers. But, I do know this much: The etiology of and sequelae from CTE are poorly understood and likely a lot more nuanced than you are making it out to be.voiceofunreason said:You’re whole schtick is ridiculous here. The nfl didn’t give billions of dollars in a settlement because cite is a made up fantasy.