Death Penalty? (1 Viewer)

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

It is racist

Whoah, what? Can you unpack this for me?

Minoroties are far more likely to get death sentences than whites who do the same crime in this country. I have posted the figures many times.

Okay, but again that's a problem with the people in the process, not the process itself. I get the feeling you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.And now, in my effort to antagonize the guy I just finished supporting, the real problem is the lawyers.

Actually I don't like the death penalty, and I don't like lawyers.

 

[NCCommish]

Oh really? Seems relevant to me. Changes were made in part to reduce accidental deaths. Seems right on point actually.

Your entire premise is that merely working to reduce innocent executions is insufficient -- that the death penalty is wrong unless we can be "100% sure" that there won't be an innocent guy killed. But when it comes to highway safety, as long as we're making some effort to keep deaths to some unstated acceptable level, that's OK.

For tonight's performance, the part of Maurile Tremblay will be played by fatguyinalittlecoat. Enjoy the show.

Oh come on now. As much as I like Fatguy(and he knows I do) I have argued with MT many times and this is no MT argument.

 

[Jericho]

It is racist

Whoah, what? Can you unpack this for me?

Minoroties are far more likely to get death sentences than whites who do the same crime in this country. I have posted the figures many times.

Okay, but again that's a problem with the people in the process, not the process itself. I get the feeling you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.And now, in my effort to antagonize the guy I just finished supporting, the real problem is the lawyers.

Same result, no difference to the dead guy.

Exactly, so his opinion isn't relevant. What about the rest of us who have to go on living with a sociopath around?

 

[Chaka]

And when we establish that an innocent person is no longer fit for existence?

Whoever established that would be foolish.

You do know that it costs more money to put someone through the death penalty process then it does to keep them locked away, don't you?

Then blame the process. The actual act of execution is extremely cheap.

Nothing in this universe justifies your formula. It's gotta be or ignorance.

Either way it is no longer worth responding to.

He's all yours NC.

Yawn. The cry of the defeated. How often I've heard this song.

I'll make you a deal. You make a compelling argument and I will jump back into the fray.And.....go!

 

[Jericho]

And when we establish that an innocent person is no longer fit for existence?

Whoever established that would be foolish.

You do know that it costs more money to put someone through the death penalty process then it does to keep them locked away, don't you?

Then blame the process. The actual act of execution is extremely cheap.

Nothing in this universe justifies your formula. It's gotta be or ignorance.

Either way it is no longer worth responding to.

He's all yours NC.

Yawn. The cry of the defeated. How often I've heard this song.

I'll make you a deal. You make a compelling argument and I will jump back into the fray.And.....go!

Okay, I submit arguments already made. Your turn.And if you want to make the case that they're not compelling, you have to actually explain why in an informative way.

 

[NCCommish]

It is racist

Whoah, what? Can you unpack this for me?

Minoroties are far more likely to get death sentences than whites who do the same crime in this country. I have posted the figures many times.

Okay, but again that's a problem with the people in the process, not the process itself. I get the feeling you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.And now, in my effort to antagonize the guy I just finished supporting, the real problem is the lawyers.

Same result, no difference to the dead guy.

Exactly, so his opinion isn't relevant. What about the rest of us who have to go on living with a sociopath around?

You live in a prison?

 

[Jericho]

It is racist

Whoah, what? Can you unpack this for me?

Minoroties are far more likely to get death sentences than whites who do the same crime in this country. I have posted the figures many times.

Okay, but again that's a problem with the people in the process, not the process itself. I get the feeling you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.And now, in my effort to antagonize the guy I just finished supporting, the real problem is the lawyers.

Same result, no difference to the dead guy.

Exactly, so his opinion isn't relevant. What about the rest of us who have to go on living with a sociopath around?

You live in a prison?

He may break out. The money spent to feed him could be going to a school instead. These are valid concerns.

 

[SharkBait]

I can't understand how anyone would think that this person doesn't deserve to die via cruel and unusual punishment. I don't care if he is mentally ill.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22571412/

BAYOU LA BATRE, Ala. - Authorities searched Wednesday for the bodies of four children believed to have been thrown off a bridge by their father.

Lam Luong, 37, of Irvington confessed Tuesday night to driving to the Dauphin Island bridge, stopping and tossing the youngsters off the span, which is as high as 80 feet above the water in places, Detective Scott Riva said.

Luong faced charges of four counts of capital murder and was due in court Wednesday, Riva said.

Missing and presumed dead were 4-month-old Danny Luong; 1-year-old Lindsey Luong; 2-year-old Hannah Luong; and 3-year-old Ryan Phan. Phan is not the man's biological child, but Luong raised him from infancy, authorities said.

At least three boats were being used in the search, and the Coast Guard was sending another boat and a helicopter, Riva said.

"It's been a nightmare," said Riva.

Luong is jailed in Mobile, and Riva said he did not know whether he had a lawyer.

Police said Luong reported the children missing Monday. He reportedly told authorities that a woman who had the children failed to return them to him.

The Dauphin Island bridge connects coastal Alabama to a barrier island located about three miles south of Mobile Bay in the Gulf of Mexico.

I absolutely love the idea of a death penalty in principle. But I don't think it's much of a deterrent. I think Joe sicko/low life criminal is so in denial that he doesn't really believe he'll get kilt until the gavel hits the podium. At that point, his sudden concern for this little deterrent is a day late and a dollar short.Great idea. Just don't think it's really effective in the real world of crime.

 

[NCCommish]

It is racist

Whoah, what? Can you unpack this for me?

Minoroties are far more likely to get death sentences than whites who do the same crime in this country. I have posted the figures many times.

Okay, but again that's a problem with the people in the process, not the process itself. I get the feeling you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.And now, in my effort to antagonize the guy I just finished supporting, the real problem is the lawyers.

Same result, no difference to the dead guy.

Exactly, so his opinion isn't relevant. What about the rest of us who have to go on living with a sociopath around?

You live in a prison?

He may break out. The money spent to feed him could be going to a school instead. These are valid concerns.

Not many breakouts these days. Especially not from the level of prisons the average muderer or rapist goes to. And if we are talking about money that could be spent on better things we are going to be here a long time.

 

[yetiknight]

I can't understand how anyone would think that this person doesn't deserve to die via cruel and unusual punishment. I don't care if he is mentally ill.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22571412/

BAYOU LA BATRE, Ala. - Authorities searched Wednesday for the bodies of four children believed to have been thrown off a bridge by their father.

Lam Luong, 37, of Irvington confessed Tuesday night to driving to the Dauphin Island bridge, stopping and tossing the youngsters off the span, which is as high as 80 feet above the water in places, Detective Scott Riva said.

Luong faced charges of four counts of capital murder and was due in court Wednesday, Riva said.

Missing and presumed dead were 4-month-old Danny Luong; 1-year-old Lindsey Luong; 2-year-old Hannah Luong; and 3-year-old Ryan Phan. Phan is not the man's biological child, but Luong raised him from infancy, authorities said.

At least three boats were being used in the search, and the Coast Guard was sending another boat and a helicopter, Riva said.

"It's been a nightmare," said Riva.

Luong is jailed in Mobile, and Riva said he did not know whether he had a lawyer.

Police said Luong reported the children missing Monday. He reportedly told authorities that a woman who had the children failed to return them to him.

The Dauphin Island bridge connects coastal Alabama to a barrier island located about three miles south of Mobile Bay in the Gulf of Mexico.

I absolutely love the idea of a death penalty in principle. But I don't think it's much of a deterrent. I think Joe sicko/low life criminal is so in denial that he doesn't really believe he'll get kilt until the gavel hits the podium. At that point, his sudden concern for this little deterrent is a day late and a dollar short.Great idea. Just don't think it's really effective in the real world of crime.

Life in prison isn't any more or less of a deterrent IMO. These things keep honest people honest. A criminal who wants to steal from your car will break the window and ignore the alarm. An honest person won't steal, but if the windows are rolled down and noone is looking, they might take the change out of your ashtray.

 

[NCCommish]

I can't understand how anyone would think that this person doesn't deserve to die via cruel and unusual punishment. I don't care if he is mentally ill.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22571412/

BAYOU LA BATRE, Ala. - Authorities searched Wednesday for the bodies of four children believed to have been thrown off a bridge by their father.

Lam Luong, 37, of Irvington confessed Tuesday night to driving to the Dauphin Island bridge, stopping and tossing the youngsters off the span, which is as high as 80 feet above the water in places, Detective Scott Riva said.

Luong faced charges of four counts of capital murder and was due in court Wednesday, Riva said.

Missing and presumed dead were 4-month-old Danny Luong; 1-year-old Lindsey Luong; 2-year-old Hannah Luong; and 3-year-old Ryan Phan. Phan is not the man's biological child, but Luong raised him from infancy, authorities said.

At least three boats were being used in the search, and the Coast Guard was sending another boat and a helicopter, Riva said.

"It's been a nightmare," said Riva.

Luong is jailed in Mobile, and Riva said he did not know whether he had a lawyer.

Police said Luong reported the children missing Monday. He reportedly told authorities that a woman who had the children failed to return them to him.

The Dauphin Island bridge connects coastal Alabama to a barrier island located about three miles south of Mobile Bay in the Gulf of Mexico.

I absolutely love the idea of a death penalty in principle. But I don't think it's much of a deterrent. I think Joe sicko/low life criminal is so in denial that he doesn't really believe he'll get kilt until the gavel hits the podium. At that point, his sudden concern for this little deterrent is a day late and a dollar short.Great idea. Just don't think it's really effective in the real world of crime.

Life in prison isn't any more or less of a deterrent IMO. These things keep honest people honest. A criminal who wants to steal from your car will break the window and ignore the alarm. An honest person won't steal, but if the windows are rolled down and noone is looking, they might take the change out of your ashtray.

Then they aren't very honest to start with. I am constantly shocked at how far we have lowered the bar.

 

[Jericho]

It is racist

Whoah, what? Can you unpack this for me?

Minoroties are far more likely to get death sentences than whites who do the same crime in this country. I have posted the figures many times.

Okay, but again that's a problem with the people in the process, not the process itself. I get the feeling you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.And now, in my effort to antagonize the guy I just finished supporting, the real problem is the lawyers.

Same result, no difference to the dead guy.

Exactly, so his opinion isn't relevant. What about the rest of us who have to go on living with a sociopath around?

You live in a prison?

He may break out. The money spent to feed him could be going to a school instead. These are valid concerns.

Not many breakouts these days. Especially not from the level of prisons the average muderer or rapist goes to. And if we are talking about money that could be spent on better things we are going to be here a long time.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. I guarantee you he won't break out at all and we won't have to feed him if he's dead.

 

[Jericho]

I can't understand how anyone would think that this person doesn't deserve to die via cruel and unusual punishment. I don't care if he is mentally ill.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22571412/

BAYOU LA BATRE, Ala. - Authorities searched Wednesday for the bodies of four children believed to have been thrown off a bridge by their father.

Lam Luong, 37, of Irvington confessed Tuesday night to driving to the Dauphin Island bridge, stopping and tossing the youngsters off the span, which is as high as 80 feet above the water in places, Detective Scott Riva said.

Luong faced charges of four counts of capital murder and was due in court Wednesday, Riva said.

Missing and presumed dead were 4-month-old Danny Luong; 1-year-old Lindsey Luong; 2-year-old Hannah Luong; and 3-year-old Ryan Phan. Phan is not the man's biological child, but Luong raised him from infancy, authorities said.

At least three boats were being used in the search, and the Coast Guard was sending another boat and a helicopter, Riva said.

"It's been a nightmare," said Riva.

Luong is jailed in Mobile, and Riva said he did not know whether he had a lawyer.

Police said Luong reported the children missing Monday. He reportedly told authorities that a woman who had the children failed to return them to him.

The Dauphin Island bridge connects coastal Alabama to a barrier island located about three miles south of Mobile Bay in the Gulf of Mexico.

I absolutely love the idea of a death penalty in principle. But I don't think it's much of a deterrent. I think Joe sicko/low life criminal is so in denial that he doesn't really believe he'll get kilt until the gavel hits the podium. At that point, his sudden concern for this little deterrent is a day late and a dollar short.Great idea. Just don't think it's really effective in the real world of crime.

Sure it is. That particular individual who gets killt will never commit another crime. I promise. That's pretty effective.

 

[Jericho]

I can't understand how anyone would think that this person doesn't deserve to die via cruel and unusual punishment. I don't care if he is mentally ill.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22571412/

BAYOU LA BATRE, Ala. - Authorities searched Wednesday for the bodies of four children believed to have been thrown off a bridge by their father.

Lam Luong, 37, of Irvington confessed Tuesday night to driving to the Dauphin Island bridge, stopping and tossing the youngsters off the span, which is as high as 80 feet above the water in places, Detective Scott Riva said.

Luong faced charges of four counts of capital murder and was due in court Wednesday, Riva said.

Missing and presumed dead were 4-month-old Danny Luong; 1-year-old Lindsey Luong; 2-year-old Hannah Luong; and 3-year-old Ryan Phan. Phan is not the man's biological child, but Luong raised him from infancy, authorities said.

At least three boats were being used in the search, and the Coast Guard was sending another boat and a helicopter, Riva said.

"It's been a nightmare," said Riva.

Luong is jailed in Mobile, and Riva said he did not know whether he had a lawyer.

Police said Luong reported the children missing Monday. He reportedly told authorities that a woman who had the children failed to return them to him.

The Dauphin Island bridge connects coastal Alabama to a barrier island located about three miles south of Mobile Bay in the Gulf of Mexico.

I absolutely love the idea of a death penalty in principle. But I don't think it's much of a deterrent. I think Joe sicko/low life criminal is so in denial that he doesn't really believe he'll get kilt until the gavel hits the podium. At that point, his sudden concern for this little deterrent is a day late and a dollar short.Great idea. Just don't think it's really effective in the real world of crime.

Life in prison isn't any more or less of a deterrent IMO. These things keep honest people honest. A criminal who wants to steal from your car will break the window and ignore the alarm. An honest person won't steal, but if the windows are rolled down and noone is looking, they might take the change out of your ashtray.

Then they aren't very honest to start with. I am constantly shocked at how far we have lowered the bar.

On this, we're in solid agreement.

 

[NCCommish]

It is racist

Whoah, what? Can you unpack this for me?

Minoroties are far more likely to get death sentences than whites who do the same crime in this country. I have posted the figures many times.

Okay, but again that's a problem with the people in the process, not the process itself. I get the feeling you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.And now, in my effort to antagonize the guy I just finished supporting, the real problem is the lawyers.

Same result, no difference to the dead guy.

Exactly, so his opinion isn't relevant. What about the rest of us who have to go on living with a sociopath around?

You live in a prison?

He may break out. The money spent to feed him could be going to a school instead. These are valid concerns.

Not many breakouts these days. Especially not from the level of prisons the average muderer or rapist goes to. And if we are talking about money that could be spent on better things we are going to be here a long time.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. I guarantee you he won't break out at all and we won't have to feed him if he's dead.

And I am nor worried about a breakout or feeding them. I am worried about executing the wrong person.

 

[NCCommish]

I can't understand how anyone would think that this person doesn't deserve to die via cruel and unusual punishment. I don't care if he is mentally ill.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22571412/

BAYOU LA BATRE, Ala. - Authorities searched Wednesday for the bodies of four children believed to have been thrown off a bridge by their father.

Lam Luong, 37, of Irvington confessed Tuesday night to driving to the Dauphin Island bridge, stopping and tossing the youngsters off the span, which is as high as 80 feet above the water in places, Detective Scott Riva said.

Luong faced charges of four counts of capital murder and was due in court Wednesday, Riva said.

Missing and presumed dead were 4-month-old Danny Luong; 1-year-old Lindsey Luong; 2-year-old Hannah Luong; and 3-year-old Ryan Phan. Phan is not the man's biological child, but Luong raised him from infancy, authorities said.

At least three boats were being used in the search, and the Coast Guard was sending another boat and a helicopter, Riva said.

"It's been a nightmare," said Riva.

Luong is jailed in Mobile, and Riva said he did not know whether he had a lawyer.

Police said Luong reported the children missing Monday. He reportedly told authorities that a woman who had the children failed to return them to him.

The Dauphin Island bridge connects coastal Alabama to a barrier island located about three miles south of Mobile Bay in the Gulf of Mexico.

I absolutely love the idea of a death penalty in principle. But I don't think it's much of a deterrent. I think Joe sicko/low life criminal is so in denial that he doesn't really believe he'll get kilt until the gavel hits the podium. At that point, his sudden concern for this little deterrent is a day late and a dollar short.Great idea. Just don't think it's really effective in the real world of crime.

Life in prison isn't any more or less of a deterrent IMO. These things keep honest people honest. A criminal who wants to steal from your car will break the window and ignore the alarm. An honest person won't steal, but if the windows are rolled down and noone is looking, they might take the change out of your ashtray.

Then they aren't very honest to start with. I am constantly shocked at how far we have lowered the bar.

On this, we're in solid agreement.

 

[Jericho]

And I am nor worried about a breakout or feeding them. I am worried about executing the wrong person.

Me too. We should stop doing that as much.Removing the death penalty won't stop the wrong person from being convicted, though. Your problem will still exist.

 

[NCCommish]

And I am nor worried about a breakout or feeding them. I am worried about executing the wrong person.

Me too. We should stop doing that as much.Removing the death penalty won't stop the wrong person from being convicted, though. Your problem will still exist.

Ah but when we figure out we have the wrong person we will at least be able to let them go. The re-animating them thing still has some kinks.

 

[Johnnymac]

This argument will never end. I am for the death penalty. Do I believe it is a deterrent? No. Life in prison is not a deterrent either. I think people need to realize that there are just some evil m fers in this world that don't deserve to breathe another breath on this planet. My only problem with the death penalty is that it is way too humane. These people need to suffer the same exact death as their victims.....that would be a deterrent IMO. Laying them on a gurney and putting them to sleep is ridiculous. Hell, I had that when my wisdom teeth were taken out, it was GREAT!! As far as executing innocent victims, obviously I am not for that. The time and money that is spent on all the appeals these scumbags get could be spent on making sure the justice system has the right person. These people should be put to death within a year of conviction. None of this 14 year crap. If there is an issue as to whether a convicted person might possibly be innocent, that should be considered in the penalty phase. I don't have a problem with that. Also, the jury system needs to be revamped. We need professional juries in this country that are trained to be jurors on violent crimes. We need educated people in the jury box who can make the correct decisions in the trials and penalty phases. The most important thing to remember in all of this is the victims of the crime. The way it is now, they are practically forgotten as soon as they are dead. Everything is done to protect the criminals rights in this country. I understand that process but it has gone overboard.

 

[badmojo1006]

Texas Board of Pardons votes 7-0 to reject clemency plea from Scott Panetti, a severely mentally ill death row inmate. He will be executed on Wednesday unless US Supreme Court intervenes. I think this inhumane

In the old mugshot, he does look like Mark Cuban

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

My state can't make money with government controlled liquor stores. No way would I want to give these same idiots the ability to kill its citizens.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Texas Board of Pardons votes 7-0 to reject clemency plea from Scott Panetti, a severely mentally ill death row inmate who shot his in-laws in 1992 in a psychotic rage. He will be executed on Wednesday unless US Supreme Court intervenes. I think this inhumane

In the old mugshot, he does look like Mark Cuban

Fixed.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Conservatives fighting to save the white man from the death penalty

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

who shot his in-laws in 1992 in a psychotic rage

I think a lot of us can sympathize.

 

[badmojo1006]

Texas Board of Pardons votes 7-0 to reject clemency plea from Scott Panetti, a severely mentally ill death row inmate who shot his in-laws in 1992 in a psychotic rage. He will be executed on Wednesday unless US Supreme Court intervenes. I think this inhumane

In the old mugshot, he does look like Mark Cuban

Fixed.

So you are saying he was mentally ill and most likely did not know what he was doing

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Texas Board of Pardons votes 7-0 to reject clemency plea from Scott Panetti, a severely mentally ill death row inmate who shot his in-laws in 1992 in a psychotic rage. He will be executed on Wednesday unless US Supreme Court intervenes. I think this inhumane

In the old mugshot, he does look like Mark Cuban

Fixed.

So you are saying he was mentally ill and most likely did not know what he was doing

No. I'm saying anyone who murders two people should be put to death.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Texas Board of Pardons votes 7-0 to reject clemency plea from Scott Panetti, a severely mentally ill death row inmate who shot his in-laws in 1992 in a psychotic rage. He will be executed on Wednesday unless US Supreme Court intervenes. I think this inhumane

In the old mugshot, he does look like Mark Cuban

Fixed.

So you are saying he was mentally ill and most likely did not know what he was doing

My understanding is he does know what he did, and was granted a competency hearing 7 years ago, which prevented his execution at that time, and at the hearing his motion not to be executed was denied. So he's had due process. It seems like at some point we should be allowed to actually carry out the sentence.

 

[joffer]

When Scott Panetti represented himself in a Texas capital murder case in 1995, wearing a purple cowboy suit and calling himself "Sarge," he called as a witness a veterinarian who once lived across the street from him. Panetti questioned the vet about the time he euthanized Little Blue, Panetti's old dog. The episode had nothing to do with the case. Other witnesses Panetti tried to call to the stand: John F. Kennedy and Jesus.

 

[StrikeS2k]

When Scott Panetti represented himself in a Texas capital murder case in 1995, wearing a purple cowboy suit and calling himself "Sarge," he called as a witness a veterinarian who once lived across the street from him. Panetti questioned the vet about the time he euthanized Little Blue, Panetti's old dog. The episode had nothing to do with the case. Other witnesses Panetti tried to call to the stand: John F. Kennedy and Jesus.

Is there a point here?

 

[badmojo1006]

Court orders Texas killer's execution postponed

 

[joffer]

When Scott Panetti represented himself in a Texas capital murder case in 1995, wearing a purple cowboy suit and calling himself "Sarge," he called as a witness a veterinarian who once lived across the street from him. Panetti questioned the vet about the time he euthanized Little Blue, Panetti's old dog. The episode had nothing to do with the case. Other witnesses Panetti tried to call to the stand: John F. Kennedy and Jesus.

Is there a point here?

maybe

 

[StrikeS2k]

Court orders Texas killer's execution postponed

Too bad.

 

[badmojo1006]

Court orders Texas killer's execution postponed

Too bad.

I am sure it is a temporary stay. You will get your blood lust