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Debunking Rex Grossman: (1 Viewer)
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Borat
Footballguy
Have I ever told you my chair joke?Borat you need that comedy instructor to go over irony instead of Not Jokes.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Just wanted to add one more thing here.
When the Bears begin the playoffs, you can expect the gameplans to change. This is just my own speculation, but educated speculation.
Right now Rex is encouraged to throw the ball around alot. That is how the Bears are gameplanning right now. Its actually good for his education, if you can call it that. Sure, there are growing pains, but Lovie is willing to live with them right now. As long as Rex comes out a better QB for the next few years to come its a good plan.
But when the playoffs start the game plans will very likely be much more conservative and concentrate on ball control and time of possession. They have watched plenty of fiilm on how the Pats have won the past few years. And how the Steelers won last year. Ball control is key in the playoffs.
And when they do, unlike years past, our RBs are going to be fresh and healthy due to how we have used them during the season.
To the best of my knowledge THAT is the plan. Running the ball and Defense when the weather turns ugly.
No one, and I mean NO ONE, gave Rex any credit this offseason (besides me and a few others that is). Shoot, Joe likened him to a flat tire on a unicycle.
Just settle down and have some faith in the Bears coaching staff that they have gotten this far with Rex and that maybe they have a plan to get themselves farther.
Let everyone gameplan for the Bears to wing it around and give teams multiple opportunities in the Playoffs like they have been during the regular season.
By the time other teams realize that the gameplan has changed, we'll be in the Superbowl...............hopefully.
Just my
When the Bears begin the playoffs, you can expect the gameplans to change. This is just my own speculation, but educated speculation.
Right now Rex is encouraged to throw the ball around alot. That is how the Bears are gameplanning right now. Its actually good for his education, if you can call it that. Sure, there are growing pains, but Lovie is willing to live with them right now. As long as Rex comes out a better QB for the next few years to come its a good plan.
But when the playoffs start the game plans will very likely be much more conservative and concentrate on ball control and time of possession. They have watched plenty of fiilm on how the Pats have won the past few years. And how the Steelers won last year. Ball control is key in the playoffs.
And when they do, unlike years past, our RBs are going to be fresh and healthy due to how we have used them during the season.
To the best of my knowledge THAT is the plan. Running the ball and Defense when the weather turns ugly.
No one, and I mean NO ONE, gave Rex any credit this offseason (besides me and a few others that is). Shoot, Joe likened him to a flat tire on a unicycle.
Just settle down and have some faith in the Bears coaching staff that they have gotten this far with Rex and that maybe they have a plan to get themselves farther.
Let everyone gameplan for the Bears to wing it around and give teams multiple opportunities in the Playoffs like they have been during the regular season.
By the time other teams realize that the gameplan has changed, we'll be in the Superbowl...............hopefully.
Just my
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
The Bears wrapped the division and are looking at securing home field. With the schedule looking soft this is an easy goal to achieve. The defense has been rock solid for most of the year with a weakness at rushing defense. When teams come calling in the playoffs they are going to exploit this weakness. They will game plan to run all day and keep that defense on the field. This will force the Bears to answer the bell by running the ball with success or throwing the ball. I do not trust Grossman. I have seen enough. I have never seen or felt such a negative buzz around a team that has clinched a division title like what I am witnessing here with this team. It all falls on Grossman. The rest of the NFL knows how to get in his face and rattle him. You rattle Rex and he is going to be counter-productive. Rex Grossman needs to be in a pocket without pressure. He cannot improvise and get out of the pocket to scramble or make a play on the run. With that being said- I think it is smart to look at what Griese can do. With the schedule coming on we need to see what he can do and I have a hunch- Griese and Benson will equal playoff gold. I just need to find out and 90% of Bears fans need to find out what he can do. We have waited two seasons for Rex to get healthy and he played well in the first half of the 2006 season but he cannot adjust to the teams that have adjusted to him. The pressure is closing in on him and the Bears brass will look foolish if this team loses in the first round of the playoffs because of Rex Grossman. Everyone in the NFL can see it, our fans can see it and fans of other NFL cities can see it coming. Like I said- are we going to chuck away the chance to go all the way to develop one guy or do we go for it with the best players we have?
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
I agree that ball control is key in the playoffs but the Steelers plan in the playoffs last year was to get ahead early via the passing game and then wear out the opponent in the second half with the running game. Also, much of the Pats ball control game is quick short passes which can be as effective as a running.The Bears are going to need Rex Grossman to throw the ball better (or at least not throw so many picks) in the playoffs.Hairy Snowman said:
DoubleG
Footballguy
You missed my point. The discussion I was responding to was switching to Griese (not staying with Grossman). I AGREE that the Bears QB can't throw 3-4 picks in a playoff game and expect to win against a playoff-caliber team. You are correct, the Panthers made it to the SB and lost 32-29 to the Pats. My point was simply that there are at least 3 teams in the last 5 years that have had mediocre QBs and made it (or won) a Superbowl. Many had good-great defenses, but I certainly wouldn't say that 2003 Tampa or the 2004 Panthers had as good a defense as the current Bears team (2001 Ravens were likely a better D).Borat said:
Warpig
Footballguy
I tell ya...I'm not a Bears fan but I was rooting for Rex this year. At the beginning of the year he looked like the second coming of Joe Montana. Now that teams know how to rattle him he has been absolutely horrific and his play should earn him a nice warm spot on the bench next to the gatorade jugs. However, I don't think you can bench him now. I think they have no other option but to work with him in practice and see if he can turn it around in these next few "meaningless" games to see if he can perform better and get his confidence back up. If he continues to stink it up the rest of the regular season, then I think you have no other choice but to start working Griese into the starting role. Rex may be too far gone psychologically at that point. I don't think I've ever seen anyone turn the ball over at such an alarming rate. What's he averaging lately...3 picks and 2 lost fumbles per game? UGLY! :X
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
^I think he has turned it over close to 19 times in the past 5 games. I cannot bear (no pun intended) to look. I am just reminded of the year we had Jim Miller and the Eagles just throttled us in the playoffs. I look at last year and it was the Panthers but the defense caved in. I just want to see the team move forward and put their best effort out on the field. We have been waiting on Rex but he cannot get it done. The kid has a huge heart but look at the NFL QBs of this modern age of the NFL and you can see that he lacks size, speed and durability. It is the game plan that is going to get us. Our offensive game plan and the other team's defensive game plan. I just hope for the best but hope is a desperate mode.... Cool post Warpig...
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Jim got taken out by a cheap shot after the whistle in that game against the Eagles - fargin Hugh Douglass. I saw that game from the stands.BTW - the defense still has the same weakness S Smith and the Panthers exploited last year - if a team has a physically talented and technically proficient WR (ie A Bolden, Steve Smith, TO, etc), teams can still spread the defense and attack the edges.
Our only defense to that is that the front 4 get the the QB quickly. That and hope that P-nut Tillman can cover his man.
Godsbrother - Agree with everything you said - should have included get ahead and then ball control. But you knew that.
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
With the Bears having a commanding lead in the division and a schedule that should allow them to clinch the #1 seed, irregardless with who plays QB, the smart move is for the Bears to stick with Rex for the balance of the regular season. Hopefully, something clicks for him and he can settle down -- reduce the turnovers and dial back up some degree of production in the passing game. He was a 1st round draft pick and they want to give him every opportunity to "right the ship".
They have a veteran backup in Griese. If Rex continues to "rot", then they can use the 2 week downtime to shake the rust off of Griese and let him start in the post-season.
They have a veteran backup in Griese. If Rex continues to "rot", then they can use the 2 week downtime to shake the rust off of Griese and let him start in the post-season.
sheetstainer
Footballguy
a comment i would like to make. grossman sucks at short passes. he has had problems hitting a back out of the backfield or putting it to the right side of him so that he can do something with it. if you can't complete a 3 yard pass with accuracy, what can you do? besides throw jump balls up there? this is what worries me the most. they can't even go to a conservative game plan with conviction with this bum.
Klecko HOF
Footballguy
You make some fair points, and while I hope that you're right, my gut tells me otherwise.In last season's Playoff loss to Carolina, Grossman opened the game throwing. Three straight incompletions later, the Bears THEN turned to the running game on the next two possessions.Maybe the plan by Ron Turner was to loosen up the defense in the beginning, and allow Thomas Jones room to run, but it backfired badly.The last thing I want is for Grossman throwing the ball more than he has to. His judgment is brutal and this D can only bail out the offense so many times.Ball control is big, huge and I can't understand why Griese should be the starter. At this point, he is much better at reading defenses, far more accurate, and has also had enough time, between the off season and regular season, to digest the offense and become acquainted with the personnel. The only thing I can come up with regarding Lovie's reasoning is that Grossman might not take well to being benched and it could ####### his growth. I disagree. Grossman should not be rewarded for poor decision making by alowing him to start. He should sit, and Griese given the starting nod. It gives the team a far better chance to win.Hairy Snowman said:Just wanted to add one more thing here.When the Bears begin the playoffs, you can expect the gameplans to change. This is just my own speculation, but educated speculation.Right now Rex is encouraged to throw the ball around alot. That is how the Bears are gameplanning right now. Its actually good for his education, if you can call it that. Sure, there are growing pains, but Lovie is willing to live with them right now. As long as Rex comes out a better QB for the next few years to come its a good plan.But when the playoffs start the game plans will very likely be much more conservative and concentrate on ball control and time of possession. They have watched plenty of fiilm on how the Pats have won the past few years. And how the Steelers won last year. Ball control is key in the playoffs.And when they do, unlike years past, our RBs are going to be fresh and healthy due to how we have used them during the season.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
We will see this week.
To me Rex will be forced to score somepoints against the Saints to advance. Rex is so hot and cold this is a tough one to predict, but I feel a bad game coming on. The Saints come marching in.
To me Rex will be forced to score somepoints against the Saints to advance. Rex is so hot and cold this is a tough one to predict, but I feel a bad game coming on. The Saints come marching in.
