Defending the Dolphins Draft (1 Viewer)

[Gatorman]

Is really hard to do, but I am going to try.

Miami was not impressed with Brady Quinn. Plain and Simple. The plan today was to get better and faster on offense, and that meant improving the line, wr, and qb positions.

As for the Line, with levi Jones going at 5, that meant that he was out. Joe Staley would have been the guy I liked, but that required a trade down that I guess never materialized.

That leads us to Ginn. While most rookie WRs tend to underperform, this player has speed, speed that Culpepper (if he is healthy) or Trent Green (if he comes to Miami) cannot overthrow. He upgrades the Special Teams from a solid, but unspectacular, wes welker. I have always said on this board that chambers is not a #1 WR, and now he does not really have to be. Ginn is a coachable kid, and is not a punk primma donna wr. If a trade down was possible, I would have done that, but if Ginn turns into Terry Glenn (without the "she" stuff he pulled to start his career), Miami has a fine player.

In the second round:

Beck: A smart, Mature QB, with all the intangables and Mobility you look for. Wanted Kolb, but he was gone, and Stanton sliding by here is a bit of a head scratcher too, but Miami finds "their guy" who resembles a Drew Brees type player.

Satele: while I think the phins may have gotten punked by Carolina here, they get a god pass blocker at the G r Center position who will compete for a starting spot. Another hard worker with smarts, so that may be a theme here.

Third round:

Lo Booker: So many people predicted this, weird. Makes up for losing Morris and Minor, booker should see time at ST and 3rd downs. I don't think he pushes ricky out of the way, but this cements the idea that rnnie brown is a 2 down back at this point (perhaps)

In the end: We still need someone who can play tackle. We reached for a speedy injured WR in round one, but we are at least addressing the offensive side of the ball (finally) with hopefully a plan. I hope ot see another Houck Diamond tackle in the rough get drafted and maybe a project TE ala Gates, but after looking at the first 4 picks I can see a plan formulated.

I still think I could have done a better job though.

 

[Borat]

... if Ginn turns into Terry Glenn (without the "she" stuff he pulled to start his career), Miami has a fine player.

Don't you want a better player than Terry Glenn with the 9th pick in the draft?

 

[jedimoose]

As a Dolphin fan as well, I believe the best part of their draft was not who they got but who they didn't (Quinn). Looks like they wanted Ginn, and couldnt trade down. Would have been nice if Kalil would have fell to them. Ginn was gonna be gone if they traded down to far (sorry no link) just my opinion. Booker can be a third down back and help alot on special teams. To be honest i dont know much about Beck but as long as he ends up better then Edwards and Kolb im fine with it. Cant really compare him to Stanton IMO because he will have Williams and C.Johnson whom would make any QB look better. If hes got any game at all at worst he (Stanton) will post good numbers, especially if Martz is around for awhile. As far as Quinn, I have seen him play alot. He was way too hyped and helped out by having an offensive mastermind calling his plays. Any time he faced alot of pressure (which wasnt often) he made poor throws and poor decisions. And we know how he played and looked in big games, which is to say not very well. I think its better then you think Dolphin fans, though admittedly could have been better. All the ripping for taking Ginn, but havent seen anyone really say who would have made a better choice, unless they think Quinn. As with every draft only time will tell.

 

[dparker713]

I have always said on this board that chambers is not a #1 WR, and now he does not really have to be.

In what dream world is Ginn a #1 WR?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I have always said on this board that chambers is not a #1 WR, and now he does not really have to be.

In what dream world is Ginn a #1 WR?

#1 Kick Returner.

 

[jedimoose]

I agree Ginn is not a #1 receiver, but i believe in the right system (which hopefully is being put in place now) that he can be a very good #2, not a bad2 or good3 that alot of people seem to believe. I agree with Gator about getting more T help and o-line in general. With Booker probably gone another WR tomorrow seems to be in order, though i dont know how much talent left there after the run of wides today. Also like Gator said a project TE would not be a bad idea.

 

[Gatorman]

I have always said on this board that chambers is not a #1 WR, and now he does not really have to be.

In what dream world is Ginn a #1 WR?

Ohio State?Look, I really am not "loving" the guy, but the dolphins have had stretch the field problems for a while now, and while welker was a solid guy (both ST and as a WR), he wasn't a game changer. Chambers and Booker are both guys who work well in traffic, so Ginn doesn't have to be "that guy". Still, the dolphins seem to be cursed in the first round since taking richmond webb eons ago.In the context of what they took afer Ginn however, the pick makes a little more sense. If they had a chance to trade down then they should have (IMHO) but who knows?Beck, Satele, and Booker make this a better draft in the end. Would I have rather seen Okoye as the pick here, but I guess they are going Offense for the new coach.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Ginn was a huge reach where he went. He ain't now, nor ever will be - a #1 WR. And I'm sorry - with the 9th pick, a WR better have the potential to be a #1.

Yeah he's fast. Yaaaaaaay.

I dunno about Beck. maybe he becomes Tom Brady (later pick, marquee QB) but Ginn -- jeez guys even if it wasn't a QB you had other needs, no? A tone of defensive players were there and while Phins D is stout now, it's also getting old, IIRC.

Dunno guys -- not the worst draft day (Iggles? Titans?) but not pretty.

 

[LHUCKS]

Big Ginn fan here...I think he's going to make a lot of Dolphin fans love this draft two years from now.

I'm very high on Beck...don't be surprised if he is the AFC ROY if he wins the starting job in year one.

 

[uwgb96]

Big Ginn fan here...I think he's going to make a lot of Dolphin fans love this draft two years from now.

I'm sorry, did I just enter the twilight zone.

 

[LHUCKS]

Big Ginn fan here...I think he's going to make a lot of Dolphin fans love this draft two years from now.

I'm sorry, did I just enter the twilight zone.

, this isn't the FFA.People keep stating this, but I leave my Pac10 shtick in the FFA. Do I think the Big10 is a slow conference...yes. Do I think good ball players come out of the Big10...of course.

 

[Our Gang]

Big Ginn fan here...I think he's going to make a lot of Dolphin fans love this draft two years from now.

I'm sorry, did I just enter the twilight zone.

, this isn't the FFA.People keep stating this, but I leave my Pac10 shtick in the FFA. Do I think the Big10 is a slow conference...yes. Do I think good ball players come out of the Big10...of course.

Just watched some clips on espn where he beat leon hall and aaron ross. I wasnt that high on thi pick, but more and more i am liking it much more.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I have always said on this board that chambers is not a #1 WR, and now he does not really have to be.

In what dream world is Ginn a #1 WR?

#1 Kick Returner.

#2, behind Wes Welker.

 

[Obie Wan]

Big Ginn fan here...I think he's going to make a lot of Dolphin fans love this draft two years from now.

I'm sorry, did I just enter the twilight zone.

, this isn't the FFA.People keep stating this, but I leave my Pac10 shtick in the FFA. Do I think the Big10 is a slow conference...yes. Do I think good ball players come out of the Big10...of course.

Just watched some clips on espn where he beat leon hall and aaron ross. I wasnt that high on thi pick, but more and more i am liking it much more.

now if Miami only had any OL at all to provide some protection, they may get to use that speed.If not, better have those QBs practice throwing off their backs.

 

[BassNBrew]

Gator...the Pathers are hinting that they had him under consideration at #14 after Willis.

 

[Desert_Power]

I don't think this Dolphins draft needs defending at all. I think that Quinn coming to Miami would have been a disaster waiting to happen. Miami fans want a quarterback to come in and be the next Marino, but ignore the fact that Miami has very little talent on the offensive side of the ball.

I like the Ginn pick. I think that he will do fine at WR after watching him torch the top CBs in the draft on film. I don't see why people think he won't be able to succeed. Plus, with an offensive mind like Cameron calling the shots, I am sure he will find many ways to use his talents and ridiculous speed.

I think Beck will be starting by the end of this season, have always been impressed by him. I don't really know much about Staley and it sucks that Kalil slid all the way to a pick before. I think the Booker pick was a good one as it gives Miami more talent in the back field, which was very thin coming into the draft.

 

[Gatorman]

Gator...the Pathers are hinting that they had him under consideration at #14 after Willis.

Fair enough. I think that while this was not a great pick, it is shaping up to be a good draft for Miami. Okoye may have been a sexier pick, but at the moment the Dolphins have Ginn, Chambers, Hagan, and Booker as 1 - 4 at WR. They now have Brown and Booker (and maybe RW) as their RBs.They got another guy for the O line.The DT they just drafted is a run clogger NT with experience as an O lineman as well.They still need to get some more O linemen. I wonder if Levi had fallen what would the pick have been.

 

[Marc Levin]

Pasquino tells me Booker is a steal, and I defer to him - I could see him filling the Bush role against Brown's Deuce in this supposed speed based NO offense.

I am so pissed they took Ginn it is ridiculous - if they were gonna take a QB, why not Quinn in the first and a burner WR in the second? I admit I know nothing about Beck. I will defer to someone who says something positive about him, but is he REALLY Drew Brees-ish?

Look -someone above nailed it directly - who cares if they have all this O-speed at the skill spots when they failed to address the biggest glaring need of all - OL.

Drafting Staley at #10 would not have been a reach - especially when they reached for Ginn anyway. Reach for improvement to the line, not improvement to a position where we a) lack an arm to get him the ball, b) lack protection to give him time to get open, c) lack run support because we lack run blockers.

God, this front office has REALLY pissed me off before, but never more than this draft.

 

[Slinger]

SI had Ginn has the 2nd best WR in this year's draft and projected him going in the mid-first round.

 

[Marc Levin]

SI had Ginn has the 2nd best WR in this year's draft and projected him going in the mid-first round.

If they needed a WR more than OL or QB, I'd have no complaints - this was not a Ronnie Brown, best available at this high spot pick - there were plenty of players as valuable as Ginn - heck, a defensive backfield player, or help for the aging LB corps would have made more sense to me than Ginn.And the kid is now in a no-win situation because, if he doesn't perform better than Chambers within a year or so, he will be considered a bust and railed on by every Miami fan - I wouldn't be surprised of cries of "Yatil!!" as early as this year.

 

[EBF]

I don't understand the commotion over the Ginn pick. He was projected as a potential top 10-15 pick all along. If he's healthy, he'll add an interesting element to their offense.

Maybe he'll be a bust, but it's not like people didn't expect him to go high.

 

[Marc Levin]

I don't understand the commotion over the Ginn pick. He was projected as a potential top 10-15 pick all along. If he's healthy, he'll add an interesting element to their offense. Maybe he'll be a bust, but it's not like people didn't expect him to go high.

Dolphin fans have a different perspective than "where he was supposed to go" as far as I am concerned, he should have been drafted 11-15, not 10-15.Not saying he isn't worth the #10 if someone else were drafting there - I'm saying he was not worth the #10 for the 'phins, especially since he was not some huge top-5 talent that fell, but was a talent they could have easily passed on.It is a different perspective between observing the draft casually and seeing what players are "worth" and being a fan of the team and thinking you know what the team needs better than the head office (which is me )

 

[Slinger]

SI had Ginn has the 2nd best WR in this year's draft and projected him going in the mid-first round.

If they needed a WR more than OL or QB.

I agree with you on OL, but the Dolphins did get Beck. Maybe they believe Beck > Quinn.

 

[Marc Levin]

SI had Ginn has the 2nd best WR in this year's draft and projected him going in the mid-first round.

If they needed a WR more than OL or QB.

I agree with you on OL, but the Dolphins did get Beck. Maybe they believe Beck > Quinn.

That I see. Of course, I also see LB, DL, DB, and OL as bigger concerns than WR or QB. I see adding top-10 talent to those positions as much more crucial to the heart and soul of building a champion than a high drafted WR, esp. when they already have a Pro Bowl WR on the squad.

 

[duaneok66]

SI had Ginn has the 2nd best WR in this year's draft and projected him going in the mid-first round.

If they needed a WR more than OL or QB.

I agree with you on OL, but the Dolphins did get Beck. Maybe they believe Beck > Quinn.

That I see. Of course, I also see LB, DL, DB, and OL as bigger concerns than WR or QB. I see adding top-10 talent to those positions as much more crucial to the heart and soul of building a champion than a high drafted WR, esp. when they already have a Pro Bowl WR on the squad.

Too bad he rarely plays at a Pro Bowl level . . .

 

[Butt-Head]

I agree, Yatil Green written all over this pick. Maybe he can learn to run a pass route other than a fly pattern.

I am in no way, shape or form a Dolphins fan, but I had to update my brother who is a fins fan and was travelling on Saturday with text messages on all the first rounders.

Around the time the Dolphins picked, he asked if they had a shot a Quinn. The Ginn pick was then made and I knew he'd be pissed off, so what did I do?

Told him that the Dolphins drafted Posluzny at 9.

Today he asked who else the Dolphins drafted. I told him it won't matter if they drafted Marino, Duper and Clayton: The Patriots got Moss for a fourth. I think he committed suicide.

 

[Marc Levin]

Man, to treat your bro like that - your member name is appropriate.

 

[Marc Levin]

SI had Ginn has the 2nd best WR in this year's draft and projected him going in the mid-first round.

If they needed a WR more than OL or QB.

I agree with you on OL, but the Dolphins did get Beck. Maybe they believe Beck > Quinn.

That I see. Of course, I also see LB, DL, DB, and OL as bigger concerns than WR or QB. I see adding top-10 talent to those positions as much more crucial to the heart and soul of building a champion than a high drafted WR, esp. when they already have a Pro Bowl WR on the squad.

Too bad he rarely plays at a Pro Bowl level . . .

Cris Chambers is proof positive that w/o a decent OL and decent QB, having a pro bowl receiver is meaningless - he got to the Pro Bowl in a year when the OL stayed healthy and GUS FREROTTE was throwing him the ball.The problem with the fins is SO far away from the WR positions it is ridiculous - adding Ginn made no darned good sense given the other top-10 talented players who were available.

 

[Chris Smith]

I was surprised when the Dolphins made Ginn the 9th pick. It kind of came out of left field and I was left wide eyed and almost angry... However I'm not a big fan of the 'He went before he should have' statement...

I think it is better to tier players in rounds... Whether you have the 9th or 19th pick, if the player tops on your draft board is there, you take him, period...Would Ginn have still been there in round two? No chance.

Cam Cameron said that Ginn was the top player on their board at #9. As an organization then you would be stupid to pass on him with that pick. Should they have moved down? Sure if a trade was there to be made but just because it makes sense to move down doesn't mean you have a taker to move up...

Two days after the Ginn selection, I actually feel better about it. The Dolphins offense was missing speed and Ginn has that in spades. He needs to improve his route-running but that can be taught and his ability to return kicks cannot be overlooked...

I'm in the camp where the Dolphins put together a pretty good draft.

The Dolphins had John Beck in the same tier as Brady Quinn so he made sense in round two. Cameron said he has uncanny accuracy and is cool under pressure.

Satele is a need pick and a good pick for the Dolphins. I believe he'll slot in as the starting center immediately, which moves Rex Hadnot back to guard, solidifying that position which looked weak. I was surprised the Dolphins didn't go tackle in the draft but have been saying they really like Anthony Alabi so maybe that isn't just smoke up the butt...

Lorenzo Booker is a great pickup.... People talk about his average stats in Florida State but he wasn't used properly there. The coordinators in Florida State were poor and the offensive scheme was a joke. He has huge talent and may end up one of the steals of the draft. He's a difference maker and he'll help the offense.

DT Paul Soliai is a big capable lineman who will definitely fit into the rotation along the line and the Dolphins landed a punter which was a need...

All in all, I think this will ultimately go down as a pretty good draft class when it's all said and done IF Beck becomes a dependable quarterback for the club. Only time will tell.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Quinn + Sidney Rice >>>>>>> Ginn + Beck

 

[Kirby]

Quinn + Sidney Rice >>>>>>> Ginn + Beck

Exactly. This draft pissed me off. When Thomas and JT retire.. I'll probably stop caring what happens.

 

[NEUPJ]

I think it is better to tier players in rounds... Whether you have the 9th or 19th pick, if the player tops on your draft board is there, you take him, period...Would Ginn have still been there in round two? No chance.

Way different betweent the 9th and 19th. You're talking millions of dollars in cap space between those 2 picks. If you're 19th the risk of reaching on a guy is significantly less risky and costly than reaching in a top 10 draft slot.

 

[Marc Levin]

Chris, I can't agree with the front office ranking Ginn as the top player on their board given the defensive players available.

As I have often implied here, my complaint is not whether Ginn was worth the #9 spot, but whether he should have been chosen even if he was the BPA on their board - wehat was the disparity between Ginn as their BPA at #9 and the guy they had as their #10? Was their #10 guy a defensive backfield player or LB? If the difference is marginal, taking Ginn made no sense for the team.

This 'aint fantasy, it is real. And the phins needed to add a punt returner who needs to develop at WR in the first like I need a hole in the head. I can't escape feeling like an impact player on defense would have made a MUCH greater pick than Ginn will make, even if Ginn works out.

Now, that said, I agree that if Beck becomes their starting QB over the next 5-7 years, we will have a different perspective on this draft.

Imagine Okoye or Willis plus Beck instead - that looks like a better draft to me than Ginn/Beck.

And, as I mentioned, the phins put this kid in a very precarious position - he's damned if he doesn't produce immediately and he's begrudgingly accepted if he develops as expected. He will have to REALLY surprise people - and play like the steal of the draft - to earn respect from Dolphin fans. Poor Poor Poor choice by the phins.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I'm not down on Ginn, I think he has a chance to succeed in the NFL.

However, after watching the Lions draft WR after WR in the top 10 to see them go absolutely no where year after year choosing Ginn was not a smart choice.

Even if he is good, Wr's aren't taking you all the way. You need to build a strong defense and a solid offensive line.

For Miami, I think that was a poor selection. To me, that pick does not make them a better football team.

 

[FavreCo]

In what dream world is Ginn a #1 WR?

This Camaroon guy's world. Worst pick I have seen in years. When the NFL is referred to as a copy cat league, this can be the #1 example. Is he Devin Hester? Maybe but who cares. Dante Hall was Devin Hester before Devin Hester, but you don't take one at #9. This is going to end badly for Miami. It's already a disaster. I don't need to see it play out to know this was an awful pick. Secondly, Johnnie Lee Higgins, at the same size of 6'0" 180 will far outplay Ted Ginn over their careers. He was a 3rd round pick.

 

[SwampDawg]

Here is this fin fans view.

Basically we traded Welker and our number 1 pick for New England's 2nd and 7th rounders.

I say that because all we basically did was replace Welker with a guy that is a faster returner, but won't go across the middle and make catches in traffic the way Wes did and will never be more then a below average #2 to solid #3 WR in the NFL, same as Welker. Ginn isn't even 100% percent to be ready for training camp. Beck, we shall see, honestly maybe saw him play once or twice. Sounds like he has the tools but is a year or two away at best, Quinn was a much closer to finished product. We didn't do anything to address LT, now we are taking Carey away from the right side of our line which seemed to be getting in sync and putting him back at LT were he under achieved before. We draft 2 centers were Hadnot had been solid, hopefully they can play guard. did I mention we still don't have a solid LT ? Booker is ok I guess, but we had bigger concerns, the TE from Deleware (Patrick) slipped and would have made a nice pick up. I did like the big FB from Hawaii to be our Lorenzo Neal road grader.

Overall, a "D" is the grade I would assign us.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I'm not down on Ginn, I think he has a chance to succeed in the NFL.

However, after watching the Lions draft WR after WR in the top 10 to see them go absolutely no where year after year choosing Ginn was not a smart choice.

Even if he is good, Wr's aren't taking you all the way. You need to build a strong defense and a solid offensive line.

For Miami, I think that was a poor selection. To me, that pick does not make them a better football team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2853853I didn't even see this link either saying he may miss some time early on. Why even takes this guy if there's some question marks in the top 10.

 

[Mr. Chumley]

Miami spent a #9 to replace Welker. I don't remember what they got for him but it wasn't a #9.

 

[Gatorman]

If Miami takes Okoye @ 9, then this draft would probably be a B. Them taking ginn instead of him drops the grade to a C minus in my opinion.

Taking Ginn to replace welker at ST is a huge upgrade. Taking GInn to replace welker at WR is a huge upgrade as well. If the dolphins would have reached for staley there at 9, you could justify it more than you can ginn.

IMHO

 

[Marc Levin]

Here is this fin fans view.Basically we traded Welker and our number 1 pick for New England's 2nd and 7th rounders.I say that because all we basically did was replace Welker with a guy that is a faster returner, but won't go across the middle and make catches in traffic the way Wes did and will never be more then a below average #2 to solid #3 WR in the NFL, same as Welker. Ginn isn't even 100% percent to be ready for training camp. Beck, we shall see, honestly maybe saw him play once or twice. Sounds like he has the tools but is a year or two away at best, Quinn was a much closer to finished product. We didn't do anything to address LT, now we are taking Carey away from the right side of our line which seemed to be getting in sync and putting him back at LT were he under achieved before. We draft 2 centers were Hadnot had been solid, hopefully they can play guard. did I mention we still don't have a solid LT ? Booker is ok I guess, but we had bigger concerns, the TE from Deleware (Patrick) slipped and would have made a nice pick up. I did like the big FB from Hawaii to be our Lorenzo Neal road grader. Overall, a "D" is the grade I would assign us.

I think this is a bit harsh (though I don't disagree with the grade) - they drafted the centers to move Hadnot back to guard - the inside of the OL is starting to look solid and deep. And, as Chris (our resident OL expert) mentioned, the Dolphins believe in Alabi at T. He is still very young (2nd year, right?), so who knows?Booker's alright "I guess?" Pasquino thinks the Dolppins got a steal there - hard to disagree with that,. I also disagree that it was not a position of need - they need someone besides Ricky Williams behind Ronnie Brown, and Booker makes a great change of pace/fill-in option.I wish I knew more about Beck, so I won't be too harsh there. I strongly disagree with the Ginn pick, but I don't hate the rest of their draft. I agree with the grade because they addressed positions with their first two picks that should have been spent elsewhere - specifically, d backfield and LB - the D was not sufficiently addressed, and that is a problem. I know the phins played well last year, but they are aging FAST. Esp. on the interior/run d. And you MUST have an impact defensive secondary player - the #9 pick would have been perfect to spend on a S or CB.

 

[Marc Levin]

If Miami takes Okoye @ 9, then this draft would probably be a B. Them taking ginn instead of him drops the grade to a C minus in my opinion.

Good posting - exactly how I see it because the rest of the draft was really not too bad. This draft will be linked to Ginn's progress the next two years, but will ultimately be judged on the success of picks 2 down.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Taking Ginn to replace welker at ST is a huge upgrade. Taking GInn to replace welker at WR is a huge upgrade as well.

I don't think you know just how great Wes Welker is at returning kicks/punts. Move over Terry Metcalf.....

 

[Idiot Boxer]

If Miami takes Okoye @ 9, then this draft would probably be a B. Them taking ginn instead of him drops the grade to a C minus in my opinion.

Good posting - exactly how I see it because the rest of the draft was really not too bad. This draft will be linked to Ginn's progress the next two years, but will ultimately be judged on the success of picks 2 down.

While taking Ginn and not taking Quinn are clearly two different issues, the Miami draft this year will be graded on two accounts.1. Will Ginn live up to expectations. - Unlikely. To justify this draft spot, he'd have to put up Devin Hester numbers on ST and Santonio Holmes numbers at WR. I don't see either as likely (and Holmes numbers were just above pedestrian)2. How does Quinn do (and, to a lesser extent, how does Beck do). If Quinn wins the starting job in Cleveland and does pretty well and the Dolphins rotate CPep, Lemon, Beck and maybe Green around...this is going to be looked upon as an even bigger failure of a pick.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

If Miami takes Okoye @ 9, then this draft would probably be a B. Them taking ginn instead of him drops the grade to a C minus in my opinion.

Good posting - exactly how I see it because the rest of the draft was really not too bad. This draft will be linked to Ginn's progress the next two years, but will ultimately be judged on the success of picks 2 down.

While taking Ginn and not taking Quinn are clearly two different issues, the Miami draft this year will be graded on two accounts.1. Will Ginn live up to expectations. - Unlikely. To justify this draft spot, he'd have to put up Devin Hester numbers on ST and Santonio Holmes numbers at WR. I don't see either as likely (and Holmes numbers were just above pedestrian)2. How does Quinn do (and, to a lesser extent, how does Beck do). If Quinn wins the starting job in Cleveland and does pretty well and the Dolphins rotate CPep, Lemon, Beck and maybe Green around...this is going to be looked upon as an even bigger failure of a pick.

Well, the same could be said for any team that passed on Quinn up to that point. I know Dallas who had the No.22 spot had to think long and hard about taking him and trying to decide is Romo really The Guy for Dallas.If Quinn did end up becoming a star, Dallas may regret making the trade they did.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

If Miami takes Okoye @ 9, then this draft would probably be a B. Them taking ginn instead of him drops the grade to a C minus in my opinion.

Good posting - exactly how I see it because the rest of the draft was really not too bad. This draft will be linked to Ginn's progress the next two years, but will ultimately be judged on the success of picks 2 down.

While taking Ginn and not taking Quinn are clearly two different issues, the Miami draft this year will be graded on two accounts.1. Will Ginn live up to expectations. - Unlikely. To justify this draft spot, he'd have to put up Devin Hester numbers on ST and Santonio Holmes numbers at WR. I don't see either as likely (and Holmes numbers were just above pedestrian)2. How does Quinn do (and, to a lesser extent, how does Beck do). If Quinn wins the starting job in Cleveland and does pretty well and the Dolphins rotate CPep, Lemon, Beck and maybe Green around...this is going to be looked upon as an even bigger failure of a pick.

Well, the same could be said for any team that passed on Quinn up to that point. I know Dallas who had the No.22 spot had to think long and hard about taking him and trying to decide is Romo really The Guy for Dallas.If Quinn did end up becoming a star, Dallas may regret making the trade they did.

I don't think many of the interim teams can be blamed for passing on Quinn. You don't take him if you already have Big Ben, Eli or some of the other QBs. Dallas certainly could have considered him at 22, and KC would have jumped all over him at 23, you have to believe. But when you're Miami and you don't have Trent Green yet, and your QB depth chart is a very questionable CPep and Cleo Lemon (who?)...passing on a potential franchise QB is going to be examined pretty thoroughly.

 

[switz]

Is really hard to do, but I am going to try.Miami was not impressed with Brady Quinn. Plain and Simple. The plan today was to get better and faster on offense, and that meant improving the line, wr, and qb positions.As for the Line, with levi Jones going at 5, that meant that he was out. Joe Staley would have been the guy I liked, but that required a trade down that I guess never materialized.

I can buy all of that...

That leads us to Ginn. While most rookie WRs tend to underperform, this player has speed, speed that Culpepper (if he is healthy) or Trent Green (if he comes to Miami) cannot overthrow. He upgrades the Special Teams from a solid, but unspectacular, wes welker. I have always said on this board that chambers is not a #1 WR, and now he does not really have to be. Ginn is a coachable kid, and is not a punk primma donna wr. If a trade down was possible, I would have done that, but if Ginn turns into Terry Glenn (without the "she" stuff he pulled to start his career), Miami has a fine player.

The problem is, if you think Chambers insn't a #1, then all you have now is a #2 (Chambers) and a #3 (Ginn). Ginn is nowhere near a #1 caliber WR. Yes he will upgrade ST on KR/PR - but at what price?

In the second round:Beck: A smart, Mature QB, with all the intangables and Mobility you look for. Wanted Kolb, but he was gone, and Stanton sliding by here is a bit of a head scratcher too, but Miami finds "their guy" who resembles a Drew Brees type player.

Beck is decent, but was not the best available QB prospect at that point IMO.

Satele: while I think the phins may have gotten punked by Carolina here, they get a god pass blocker at the G r Center position who will compete for a starting spot. Another hard worker with smarts, so that may be a theme here.

Below average guy for the trenches. He could be coached up. Not a bad pick, but not a great one.

Third round:Lo Booker: So many people predicted this, weird. Makes up for losing Morris and Minor, booker should see time at ST and 3rd downs. I don't think he pushes ricky out of the way, but this cements the idea that rnnie brown is a 2 down back at this point (perhaps)

I don't see Booker making any impact...

In the end: We still need someone who can play tackle. We reached for a speedy injured WR in round one, but we are at least addressing the offensive side of the ball (finally) with hopefully a plan. I hope ot see another Houck Diamond tackle in the rough get drafted and maybe a project TE ala Gates, but after looking at the first 4 picks I can see a plan formulated.I still think I could have done a better job though.

It was one of, if not the, worst draft in the NFL.

 

[BostonSportsGuy]

Big Ginn fan here...I think he's going to make a lot of Dolphin fans love this draft two years from now.

I'm very high on Beck...don't be surprised if he is the AFC ROY if he wins the starting job in year one.

Always easy to go with the people's sentiment, but I think Beck could be a taller, poor-mans version of Drew Brees. Also, Ginn could be what Peter Warrick was supposed to be (a multi-dimensional home-run threat whenever he touches the ball).

 

[EBF]

As far as I'm concerned, Miami did fine.

Ginn might not ever become a great WR, but he'll definitely help the team win games. He's one of the most exciting skill position prospects in the draft. Worth the #9 pick? Probably not, but he'll still be in the league long after half of the other guys in the first round have washed out.

Booker is a good player. He'll contribute and provide good depth.

The only pick I don't like is Beck. He looks like Ty Detmer to me. That said, the upside is tremendous if he happens to pan out.

All in all, they landed one guy who should eventually start and help a lot on special teams (Ginn) and one guy who should see a healthy amount of playing time (Booker). That's not great, but it's not the worst draft in the league.

 

[Bobcat10]

Do you think, or do you know, Beck (or any other QBs outside of Russell) was ahead of Quinn on the Dolphins draft board?

 

[SwampDawg]

Big Ginn fan here...I think he's going to make a lot of Dolphin fans love this draft two years from now.

I'm very high on Beck...don't be surprised if he is the AFC ROY if he wins the starting job in year one.

Always easy to go with the people's sentiment, but I think Beck could be a taller, poor-mans version of Drew Brees. Also, Ginn could be what Peter Warrick was supposed to be (a multi-dimensional home-run threat whenever he touches the ball).

More likely Ginn is the next Peter Warrick