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Define the following common fantasy football term... (1 Viewer)
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Knight who says Ni
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I have always considered a sleeper as a player who is off of most people's radar, yet has a chance to make a significant impact. The reason they are not well known could be because they aren't a well-hyped rookie, they're coming off of an injury, etc. Willie Parker 2005 is a good example of a sleeper in my opinion, as he wasn't even on the CBS Sportsline draft board - I had to write him in when I picked up him in the last round of the draft.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
A player not ranked in the top 30 at his position who you feel will finish in the top 20.
Kai's Hero
Footballguy
Winner!A player who has the percevied potential to exceed the general consenses of production.
GregR_2
Footballguy
I think sleeper also implies that the general consensus is that they aren't worth a fantasy starting slot or at least are near the very bottom of the fantasy starters. A general consensus RB12 who you believe has the potential to be RB4 isn't a sleeper really. A RB40 who you think may end up RB10 would be.Winner!A player who has the percevied potential to exceed the general consenses of production.
kerpow
Footballguy
Could you not argue that RB12 is a sleeper top 5 RB though? But yes, in the broader sense of the term a sleeper generally refers to a guy that's waaaaaaaaay down people's lists.I think sleeper also implies that the general consensus is that they aren't worth a fantasy starting slot or at least are near the very bottom of the fantasy starters. A general consensus RB12 who you believe has the potential to be RB4 isn't a sleeper really. A RB40 who you think may end up RB10 would be.Winner!A player who has the percevied potential to exceed the general consenses of production.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I would not consider someone at or near the Top 12 at any position to be a sleeper.IMO, a sleeper is someone flying under the radar that some people will at least have knowledge of with a lot of upside but someone that is not a total unknown. For example, last year Wes Welker was one of my sleepers. People should have at least heard of him and he was a somewhat proven commodity. IMO, he was in a great spot and he produced extremely well (but was not a completely nobody going in).In my book, someone taken extremely late that few people have any knowledge of should be called a flyer, as the investment is minimal and the player in question is pretty much unproven. Therefore if that player does not work out, you really are no worse for wear. For example, I took Kevin Walter as a flyer in several leagues last year as my last pick (and he panned out pretty well).
Cenobite
Footballguy
See, to me, that seems like a value based selection. I agree, FWP, as well as Boldin (rookie year) and Colston (rookie year) were sleepers. Guys that weren't listed in the top 200 in any mags. or sites. In other words, guys that came out of nowhere and put up solid numbers.Winner!A player who has the percevied potential to exceed the general consenses of production.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
IMO, a breakout player is someone that has never done it before. I suppose someone could be both a sleeper and a breakout player, but not always.For example, someone like Mushy Muhammad a few years ago was a sleeper who had been around for many years and then lit it up. But I would not say he broke out as he had several decent seasons early on.
notdarkyet
Footballguy
Someone I can pick up late that has the potential to crack my starting lineup if he pans out the way I anticipate.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
A player who has the percevied potential to exceed the general consenses of production.
There are many different definitions but I think this is a rock solid, general description. I think you can have several tiers of sleepers. Blue Chippers, mid rounders and late-rounders. The general fantasy football community not knowing about the guy is not a prerequisite. If you grab the 12th overall RB having a genuine reason to believe he could wind up the best RB this year, that's a sleeper. Is the FF community sleeping on the guy? No. But they're sleeping on his best overall RB potential.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
this seemed as good a time as any to bump
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Could "breakout" best be illustrated by Marcus Robinson during the 1999 season? Or is that more of a fluke?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Interesting. I hadn't thought about factoring the term "flyer" in there. That may actually force me to re-evaluate my definition of a sleeper.
bigalgreek
Footballguy
A player that you think no one else has their eyes on, who is picked in the 10th round right before you were going to take him, causing a large outpouring of negative energy and cursing upon the offending team owner.
Sleeper is a player not in the "top 100 rankings", so a player that is drafted in round 10+ (in your 10man leagues) that turns into a stud QB/WR/RB/TE. Maybe it's the numerology, but in the NCAA tournament, a sleeper is a team seeded 10-16 that upsets a few teams and makes the sweet 16 etc.
For a guy in the top 100 (even someone drafted in rounds 7-9) who finally has a stud season, like Braylon Edwards in 2007, that's more of a "breakout player" than a sleeper.
For a guy in the top 100 (even someone drafted in rounds 7-9) who finally has a stud season, like Braylon Edwards in 2007, that's more of a "breakout player" than a sleeper.
eric rymer
Footballguy
to me a "breakout" year implies that we can expect more great seasons from that player. A sleeper could be a one year wonder that caught a little bit of lightning...perhaps a product of right place right time.Could "breakout" best be illustrated by Marcus Robinson during the 1999 season? Or is that more of a fluke?
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Kurt Warner's 1999 season
Considering there is a channel with 24/7/365 NFL programming, ESPN has NFL Live programming in June, the innerwebs and fantasy gaming is a billion dollar industry, the definition of a sleeper is hard to define unless you go waaaaaaay out on the limb.
Last two rounds of a 12 or 14 team draft qualifies, waiver wire is a better measuring stick.
Considering there is a channel with 24/7/365 NFL programming, ESPN has NFL Live programming in June, the innerwebs and fantasy gaming is a billion dollar industry, the definition of a sleeper is hard to define unless you go waaaaaaay out on the limb.
Last two rounds of a 12 or 14 team draft qualifies, waiver wire is a better measuring stick.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Someone that's considered a RB5/WR6 or greater that actually has starter potential in every league. I'd say outside top 50 for RBs and top 70 for WRs. Ryan Grant was a sleeper.
