Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
i'm leaning towards him. need 2 of 3 to go withAJ out (james jones/denario/demaryius) PPR I just think this game is gonna be a shootout. I think Tebow wants to show the league he can pass too.
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anicholsnj
Footballguy
I'm about to drop David Nelson in a league for him. My othe two receivers are Wallace and Fitz. Picking him up and only starting him if Wallace can't go this week.
massraider
Footballguy
For real. We can't just dismiss a guy as injury prone so young. I mean, none of us knows anything at ALL about his health, his leg, whatever. Raw talent that seems to have a high ceiling, that has flashed, gets the new exciting QB starter, and Brandon Lloyd gets shipped out of town? Eric Decker is the top competition?Those are kind of nice circumstances for a Week 7 waiver pick up, thanks.Matthew Stafford's own teammate called him a china doll. He seems OK this year
ThePittbully
Footballguy
Reports say he's still wearing a wrap on his hand and trying to learn to catch while wearing it now
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
What type of "wrap" are we talking about here??
I think he is worth a pickup for sure. I grabbed him in one league, but I think I'll be starting Harvin over him at least this week. Although the Miami matchup is quite juicy.
I think he is worth a pickup for sure. I grabbed him in one league, but I think I'll be starting Harvin over him at least this week. Although the Miami matchup is quite juicy.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
The Broncos again had all53 players on the active roster participating in practice today, and nowhere is theteam's improving health more important than at wide receiver.
Demaryius Thomas, who has not played this season because of Achillestendon and finger injuries, and Eddie Royal, who hasn't played since the first quarter of the second game because of a groin injury, have joined Eric Decker in the team's top trio of receivers for new starting quarterback Tim Tebow.
"The defense has to be honest because all of them are deep threats. All of them have the ability to catch and run. They all, I believe, have great competitive excellence," Tebow said Wednesday. "When their number is called, they can step up and make big plays at important times in the game. Those are huge things. To have a receiving corps where all of them can step up at any time, I think that's big and it has to keep the defense honest."
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
not sure if this fits exactly but why the hell not
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
game day active roster spots are very valuable to teams....
if he is active he will probably play.....who knows what you will get, but if active he will see some snaps.....if he is not healthy enough to play they will not activate him....we have to assume that if he is active he is "fully recovered" or at least recovered enough to play and/or make an impact....
if active and coming off the bye week, I would not be surprised to see him play quite a bit....and possibly be the number 1 WW claim next week....the shark move is to beat people to the punch....so if you have room in a redraft league....snag him and see what happens....could pay off....if not, it doesn't cost you much and you can then drop him again when you need to...
if he is active he will probably play.....who knows what you will get, but if active he will see some snaps.....if he is not healthy enough to play they will not activate him....we have to assume that if he is active he is "fully recovered" or at least recovered enough to play and/or make an impact....
if active and coming off the bye week, I would not be surprised to see him play quite a bit....and possibly be the number 1 WW claim next week....the shark move is to beat people to the punch....so if you have room in a redraft league....snag him and see what happens....could pay off....if not, it doesn't cost you much and you can then drop him again when you need to...
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DoubleG
Footballguy
The only Broncos I'd start this week are Tebow and possibly McGahee (Decker if you are in deep at WR3). Other than that, I think you have to wait a week or two to see who is really healthy (it's possible Royal and D. Thomas aren't quite 100% yet) and who Tebow seems to look for - and who the OC is trying to get the ball to.Honestly, long term, I think D. Thomas and Decker are 1A and 1B in the passing game, with Royal being the team's WR3. Although if Thomas isn't quite healthy, his and Royal's roles could be reversed for a little while.
The good news is, that by FF playoff time, things should be clear.
crush304
Footballguy
Scrappy Doo
Footballguy
I'm starting the Broncos D/ST. Elvis Dumervil is supposedly 100% now and I see Von Miller coming on too. Love their chance against Miami's OL. Columbo at RT is awful and even Jake Long at LT has been a shell of his former self this year coming off a knee injury. Nice chance for multiple sacks and maybe a pick or 2 against Matt Moore. And Phins STs coverage units also suck.'DoubleG said:'Warrior said:
Honestly, long term, I think D. Thomas and Decker are 1A and 1B in the passing game, with Royal being the team's WR3. Although if Thomas isn't quite healthy, his and Royal's roles could be reversed for a little while.
The good news is, that by FF playoff time, things should be clear.
Broncos D/ST
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DoubleG
Footballguy
We don't play with defenses.I'm starting the Broncos D/ST. Elvis Dumervil is supposedly 100% now and I see Von Miller coming on too. Love their chance against Miami's OL. Columbo at RT is awful and even Jake Long at LT has been a shell of his former self this year coming off a knee injury. Nice chance for multiple sacks and maybe a pick or 2 against Matt Moore. And Phins STs coverage units also suck.'DoubleG said:'Warrior said:
Honestly, long term, I think D. Thomas and Decker are 1A and 1B in the passing game, with Royal being the team's WR3. Although if Thomas isn't quite healthy, his and Royal's roles could be reversed for a little while.
The good news is, that by FF playoff time, things should be clear.
Broncos D/ST
But sure. Them too - especially against Miami. Florida (NHL) scored 7 goals Monday night - which means they outscored the Dolphins. That's just sad - unless you have the opposing defense.
Scrappy Doo
Footballguy
It's a home game for the Broncos too since as usual, there will be more fans of the opponent than of the Phins.
Rick James
Footballguy
starting with confidence
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
leaning toward starting him over demario alexander
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
that seems silly...hope you are right though
DoubleG
Footballguy
The "m" and "n" are right next to each other on the keyboard. I can see that.
DoubleG
Footballguy
There are 2 questions you need to ask yourself:1) Dynasty or redraft? (dynasty yes, redraft not necessarily)2) Do you need WR production from either of the two in the next few weeks? (Thomas might be a better long term, but with his hand still wrapped and coming off several weeks of inactivity, I'd rather go with Decker in the short term) Even so, the amount Thomas might outperform Decker by in a few (several?) weeks, may not be worth losing Decker for the short term.
Hendo
Footballguy
Why is it automatically assumed Thomas is better then Decker in dynasty? I rate his ceiling higher but to just use that asan answer in choosing dynasty value is blind fallacy and committing a big error in judgement.Dont be blind to Thomas injuries like they never happen. He has had possibly the worst injury a football player could have (ACL) and his body had yet to hold up to anything remotely able in the NFL.The answer here is to temper expectations until Thomas proves other wise. Theres no denying the talent, but he has a lot to prove and that goes for dynasty as well.Theres no logical reason for Thomas to be ahead of Decker value wise (and I'm a Thomas owner)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
As an owner of both, there is no way I'm cutting Decker loose to hold Thomas. I have Decker a full tier above Thomas. Let's face it, Thomas is an unknown. He hasn't even shown as much as guys like Crabtree in his career, whereas Decker has. Thomas is a nice upside flier at this point. Decker is a guy you can plug in and start right now and probably going forward.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Thomas is rated higher in dynasty because he has a chance to be a legit NFL #1 ... a player who can score FF points in all but the worst situations...Decker is an OK #2 but not someone who'll ever beat top corners or double teams and will always be in danger of being replaced by an elite talent
I don't know that Decker's ceiling is an "OK #2". I think his potential is higher than that.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Thomas is the better WR on paper. But Decker has more value right now. He has been on the field playing football this season while Thomas has been rehabbing injurieS. If Thomas can stay healthy, he will be the better WR in a few weeks. If you do not need immediate help at WR, take a big swing with Thomas. If you need help this week, I would roll with Decker. Royal is in that mix too. Royal has some value this week too.
I've looked into both, and the only quality DT seems to measure better than Decker is speed - prior to DT's multiple foot and ankle injuries. They're the same size, but Decker seems to be a better route runner, better hands, better blocker, tougher, and more proven catching the ball in traffic. And Decker was projected to the 2d round. And Decker has already had two multi-TD games this season (how can you say a guy with multi TD games can't separate?). I don't see why "experts" are so quick to dismiss Decker as an inferior option. DT is on the WW in all my leagues, and by yesterday I purchased Decker in all my leagues. I'm usually wrong about these things but I can't understand this one.
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
I do not think anyone can prove you wrong at this point. Decker is starting for the Broncos means Decker is worth starting in FF this week. He may be worth starting every week. It is going to be interesting to see how this works out. Lots of variables. Who is Denver going to put on the field the most? Who is Tebow going to target the most? Can DT stay healthy? Can Decker put up solid numbers each week drawing #1 WR coverage?
Hendo
Footballguy
Exactly,I love DTs potential but you dont hype a guy with his history until he PROVES he's capable of starting on the field and fine tune his route running. I also dont see experts proclaiming DTs dynasty value higher then Deckers, only the people being blinded in this thread.As a DT dynasty owner I hope he proves these people right but I'm not being blinded by this guys injuries.
meroj
Footballguy
except you said ACL and it was achilles (even worse). I'm also a DT owner. Get a grip people. When you raise expectations so high you only set yourself up for bigger disappointment.
Hendo
Footballguy
Exactly,I love DTs potential but you dont hype a guy with his history until he PROVES he's capable of starting on the field and fine tune his route running. I also dont see experts proclaiming DTs dynasty value higher then Deckers, only the people being blinded in this thread.As a DT dynasty owner I hope he proves these people right but I'm not being blinded by this guys injuries.
except you said ACL and it was achilles (even worse).I'm also a DT owner. Get a grip people. When you raise expectations so high you only set yourself up for bigger disappointment.
I'm not so sure that an achilles rupture is worse than an ACL. The achilles rupture is far less common and so we don't really have enough history. The ACL repair involves disburbing a major joint (knee). The achilles repair involves the largest tendon in the body, but does not involve a joint. I'm 60 years old and am currently recovering from my 3rd ruptured achilles, all playing soccer. The second rupture was 15 years ago and as best I can tell my recoveries were 100%. The key to complete recovery is to maintain the same length of the tendon upon suturing. If the repair leaves the tendon longer the player will lose quickness and explosiveness. If the repair leaves the tendon shorter, the player will forever have a greater risk of either rerupture or hamstring pulls. One would think that Thomas had a very qualified surgeon.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
The "wrap" isn't that obstructive. They showed him practicing with the wrap on at practice and it ws underneath the WR's gloves he was wearing. Had I not known his thumb was wrapped I wouldn't have noticed anything different.and yes demario/denario was a typo...
or maybe a latenight hybrid of demaryius/denarioI like Thomas more long-term, but I think people are selling Decker short. People seem to forget he was a very good WR in college (playing on an awful Minnesota team), and it was an injury that dropped this guy from a potential late first round/early second to the third round. The one criticism of him is that he lacks elite speed, but he has basically everything else you ask for from a WR in terms of route-running, catching, etc.
guderian
Footballguy
As a dynasty owner I'm just hoping he shows something on the field this year and doesn't get hurt again and then sets up for a good 2012. If he averages 2 catches a game from here on out, I'll be thrilled. However, I am pleasantly surprised. Before the season started I'd assumed he'd miss the year on IR.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Get a grip people? Blinded by this thread?
First off, all I said was that by the end of the year Thomas might be outperforming Decker by a small margin - which given that Decker has had 1 one hundred yard game, then 4 at 56 yards or less, is hardly "raising expectations so high you are only setting up for bigger disappointment". Reread my post - I said that long term, I have DT as 1A and Decker as 1B - that is not close to dismissing Decker. Secondly, DT is 15 pounds bigger than Decker and is a better blocker. Go reread some of the draft stuff about DT. Suggesting that he and Decker are exactly the same save for speed is revisionist history. He is more like a TE playing WR in terms of size - except that he was faster than Decker (preinjury - post we don't know).Third, most "experts" (at least many of the one's I have read) have DT higher than Decker in dynasty rankings, as he was drafted higher, and is more talented. Yes, he has been injured and yes he does have to improve, but in dynasty I will err with the guy who is more talented over opportunity everytime. But again, Decker will obviously be a contributer as well - once again, 1A and 1B (and DT will only be 1A when he is healthy and fully acclamated - which, as I said previously, likely wont happen for several weeks).If you guys want to argue with points I never made, or take opposition to a view I never voiced, feel free.I wasn't talking about you. And with regard to the bolded:'DoubleG said:Get a grip people? Blinded by this thread?
First off, all I said was that by the end of the year Thomas might be outperforming Decker by a small margin - which given that Decker has had 1 one hundred yard game, then 4 at 56 yards or less, is hardly "raising expectations so high you are only setting up for bigger disappointment". Reread my post - I said that long term, I have DT as 1A and Decker as 1B - that is not close to dismissing Decker.
Secondly, DT is 15 pounds bigger than Decker and is a better blocker. Go reread some of the draft stuff about DT. Suggesting that he and Decker are exactly the same save for speed is revisionist history. He is more like a TE playing WR in terms of size - except that he was faster than Decker (preinjury - post we don't know).
Third, most "experts" (at least many of the one's I have read) have DT higher than Decker in dynasty rankings, as he was drafted higher, and is more talented. Yes, he has been injured and yes he does have to improve, but in dynasty I will err with the guy who is more talented over opportunity everytime. But again, Decker will obviously be a contributer as well - once again, 1A and 1B (and DT will only be 1A when he is healthy and fully acclamated - which, as I said previously, likely wont happen for several weeks).
If you guys want to argue with points I never made, or take opposition to a view I never voiced, feel free.
Decker is 6'3", 217.
Thomas is 6'3", 224, who didn't take part in the combine.
In terms of size, they're basically the same.
In terms of speed, Decker is at 5.5, and Thomas has never been officially time. According to what I could find, Thomas claims the fastest he has been timed is 4.38 (unofficially) during college, before he broke his foot. He hasn't, as far as I can tell, been timed after returning from foot surgery. Regarding blocking, I did go back to the draft reports, and here's what's been said re: Decker:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/584290So yeah, I think Decker and DT are very similar with the exception of DT's pre-multi-injury unofficially-timed speed. I'm open to DT being better, I just want to know why, if I only had one roster spot to spend between these guys, I should drop Decker and pick DT up. DT is available on every one of my waiver wires (as was Decker until I picked him up or bought him low in all leagues by yesterday). So this is a legitimate question. So far I haven't seen anything other than "fantasy expert" opinion that DT is a "star" and Decker is a "mediocre talent" that as far as I can tell, is based solely on non-combine, unofficial 40 times.
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doeseatplace
Footballguy
Based on his collegiate performance and what we've seen to date this year, I think Decker will be a solid NFL contributor for a long time. If Thomas ends up meeting his pre-draft expectations, the Broncs passing game is well positioned for thr future (if they find a QB)
Looking at Tebow's three starts from 2010, here are the target breakouts:
Lloyd--28
All other WRs (Gaffney, Decker, Thomas, Royal)--28
RBs--15
TEs--9
So what does this tell us? Frankly I don't have any idea
Denver has a new coaching staff and offensive system in place, so maybe last year doesn't even matter.
Maybe Tebow's tendency is to focus on one WR. Or maybe Lloyd was such a better WRs than the others that Tebow didn't have much choice. (Although Gaffney performed at a career high level pre-Tebow and Lloyd's numbers post-Tebow, while good, were not as eye-popping as earlier in the year
But during a bye week, when other owners are scrambling to sign starters to fill lineup holes, I am going to go ahead and jump on Thomas on the hope that he becomes the primary target as the season progresses.
Looking at Tebow's three starts from 2010, here are the target breakouts:
Lloyd--28
All other WRs (Gaffney, Decker, Thomas, Royal)--28
RBs--15
TEs--9
So what does this tell us? Frankly I don't have any idea
Denver has a new coaching staff and offensive system in place, so maybe last year doesn't even matter.
Maybe Tebow's tendency is to focus on one WR. Or maybe Lloyd was such a better WRs than the others that Tebow didn't have much choice. (Although Gaffney performed at a career high level pre-Tebow and Lloyd's numbers post-Tebow, while good, were not as eye-popping as earlier in the year
But during a bye week, when other owners are scrambling to sign starters to fill lineup holes, I am going to go ahead and jump on Thomas on the hope that he becomes the primary target as the season progresses.
I like it.People are saying that Thomas hasn't "proven it". This is absurd - the only thing decker has shown me is inconsistency. Add this to the fact that there is a new QB, and what we really have here is no tangible stats or evidence to go by to predict who "the guy" will be in denver. This is 100% a wait and see approach, and I'm assuming that DThomas is available on more waiver wires than Decker at this point. If you have a roster spot to burn, Thomas may be worth it - and if you're in a competetive league, Decker sure as heck isn't still available.That being said, I'm a Charger's fan investing one of my last bench spots in Thomas. He was cheap in FAAB, and if he doesn't amount to anything, no harm done.
moleculo
Footballguy
Here's how I see Decker vs Thomas, long term: Decker = move the chains, good PPR guy... Think Keyshawn Johnson. Thomas = deep threat - big, fast... Andre Johnson type player.
I think Deckers potential tops around wr15-wr20 range, whereas Thomas has top 5 wr potential. That said, Decker is probably more likely to get there than Thomas.
I think Deckers potential tops around wr15-wr20 range, whereas Thomas has top 5 wr potential. That said, Decker is probably more likely to get there than Thomas.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I love Thomas, but he has one huge problem. His quarterback can't make the throws on the routes that Thomas is best at - the deep out, the stop and go, and the skinny post. He isn't going to be productive enough just doing jump balls on the side line and red zone, although he's good at those too.
Decker and Julius Thomas once healthy are the best fits for Tebow, I'd leave Thomas on waivers in all but deep redrafts.
Decker and Julius Thomas once healthy are the best fits for Tebow, I'd leave Thomas on waivers in all but deep redrafts.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Good post
Islanders rule
Footballguy
I started Demaryius Thomas over Brandon Marshall this week. I think the Tebow hype ( Miami crowd support ) will result in a Denver blow-out this week.
My Prediction:
Marshall: 4 receptions, 80 yards, no TD's.
Thomas: 6 receptions, 120 yards, 1 TD.
We shall see.
If you think Thomas will come close to the above, you better pick him up now, I live in Denver and have watched this guy at practice. He's a beast.
One thing most people don't realize, it takes less time (3 step drop) to throw a deep ball than it does to throw a short pass (5 step drop).
We'll see what happens this week but if my gut feeling is correct, Monday will be too late to get D. Thomas unless you have the # 1 waiver pick on your wire.
Good luck to all this weekend.
Islanders
My Prediction:
Marshall: 4 receptions, 80 yards, no TD's.
Thomas: 6 receptions, 120 yards, 1 TD.
We shall see.
If you think Thomas will come close to the above, you better pick him up now, I live in Denver and have watched this guy at practice. He's a beast.
One thing most people don't realize, it takes less time (3 step drop) to throw a deep ball than it does to throw a short pass (5 step drop).
We'll see what happens this week but if my gut feeling is correct, Monday will be too late to get D. Thomas unless you have the # 1 waiver pick on your wire.
Good luck to all this weekend.
Islanders
moleculo
Footballguy
No it's not. Tebow throws a very nice deep ball. It's the intermediate stuff he struggles with.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
MAC_32's comment wasn't referencing the length of the QBs throw, but the type of route that is called
Islanders rule
Footballguy
Correct. Deep ball is thrown well, short is O.K. and intermediate is where he struggles.Look for Thomas, Decker and McGahee to have good games. Royal will be odd man out this week in my opinion.WE'll see!Good luck to all.Islanders
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Scrappy Doo
Footballguy
Not to rain on your parade but if Bey Bey is lining up as the #1 WR, he'll probably be covered by Vontae Davis who isn't that bad. Now, that said, he will still have a huge size advantage over Vontae and the Phins are down to their 3rd sting FS (and they're 1st and 2nd string FSs were awful to begin with).Idk man, I believe in the guy but he's still gonna have limited reps due to lack of conditioning.
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
RE: The discussion about Thomas' achilles...be aware that he has had extra time to recover from the injury and get his legs back in shape while he has waited for his hand to heal. If his hand hadn't been broken, he'd have been back playing for awhile now.
From the Denver Post and FBG's Lammey:
Denver Post fantasy football expert Cecil Lammey is a senior writer for Footballguys.com and an "NFL Insider" for Denver sports radio station 102.3 FM, The Ticket.
E-mail your questions to lammey@footballguys.com. Please mention your question is for "Denver Post Fantasy Football."
I am interested in picking up Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas, but I would have to drop one of the following from my roster. Should I cut Cardinals WR Early Doucet, Patriots RB Stevan Ridley, Lions RB Maurice Morris, or 49ers WR Michael Crabtree?
— Luis, Greeley
Cecil Lammey: Thomas could emerge as the Broncos' big-play weapon at the WR position if he can stay healthy. He has a rare blend of size and speed which gives him an advantage on deep routes and in the red zone. Tim Tebow is not afraid to air it out deep and give his receivers a chance to make a play downfield. I would advise all fantasy owners to make room for Thomas on their rosters.
I would go ahead and cut Doucet here. The Cardinals' passing game has failed to be consistently effective this year. Doucet has always had talent, and some scouts compared his skills set to that of Colts WR Reggie Wayne when he came out of college. But he's failed to live up to his potential during his pro career and is once again having a frustrating season. You should feel confident letting him go for a player with huge upside like Thomas.
From the Denver Post and FBG's Lammey:
Denver Post fantasy football expert Cecil Lammey is a senior writer for Footballguys.com and an "NFL Insider" for Denver sports radio station 102.3 FM, The Ticket.
E-mail your questions to lammey@footballguys.com. Please mention your question is for "Denver Post Fantasy Football."
I am interested in picking up Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas, but I would have to drop one of the following from my roster. Should I cut Cardinals WR Early Doucet, Patriots RB Stevan Ridley, Lions RB Maurice Morris, or 49ers WR Michael Crabtree?
— Luis, Greeley
Cecil Lammey: Thomas could emerge as the Broncos' big-play weapon at the WR position if he can stay healthy. He has a rare blend of size and speed which gives him an advantage on deep routes and in the red zone. Tim Tebow is not afraid to air it out deep and give his receivers a chance to make a play downfield. I would advise all fantasy owners to make room for Thomas on their rosters.
I would go ahead and cut Doucet here. The Cardinals' passing game has failed to be consistently effective this year. Doucet has always had talent, and some scouts compared his skills set to that of Colts WR Reggie Wayne when he came out of college. But he's failed to live up to his potential during his pro career and is once again having a frustrating season. You should feel confident letting him go for a player with huge upside like Thomas.
