Denver Broncos 2007 Offseason (1 Viewer)

[rockbottom895]

Althought the season ended on a pretty disapointing note, us Broncos fans have a lot to look forward to for next year. Cutler is blossoming into a stud, just as we hoped, but our defense is aging a little bit. The first move that the Broncos must make in order to bring back their defense is fire their defensive coordinator. Without question, we have the fastest linebacking core in the NFL with Ian Gold, DJ Williams, and Al Wilson. The fact that they only combined for 2 sacks shows how pathetic our blitzing packages were throughout the entire season. FIRE LARRY COYER. Next, the Broncos need to address the offensive line. Although everyone always speaks of the broncos ability to use "zone" blocking, when Matt Lepsis went out with an ACL tear, things went straight downhill. At points during the year, the Broncos OL was getting no push. Without the core line of led by Lepsis and Nalen, the Broncos cannot continue to dominate defenses with the run. The third position that the Broncos need to address is wide reciever. Although Javon is dominant, he has no sidekick. Rod is getting old, as everyone knows, and cannot produce as a number two reciever in the NFL anymore. I see him retiring this offseason. The only bright star in the recieving core of the Broncos is Brandon Marshall, but his inconsistancy doesnt allow him to be the second reciever in Denver. The Broncos need to go out, sign a veteran WR, and look ahead. The last poistion that needs to be addressed by the Broncos this offseason is safety. Although John Lynch is one of the hardest hitting safeties in the NFL, he clearly isn't who he used to be. Nick Fergusan really cannot fill the void either, and the Broncos need to work hard on getting someone in the draft.

When these positions are addressed, the Broncos will be one of the most dynamic teams in the NFL. Remember, the experiance that Cutler recieved this year is going to set him off in 2008.

Did I miss anything? As the offseason continues, I want this thread to discuss every single move that the Broncos have made. Denver Broncos 2008 Super Bowl Champs.

 

[diesel7982]

Larry Coyer did a fine job. Sundquist just might think about getting him a DE or DT who can rush the passer. Elvis Dumervil is great, but if he can't play more than 3rd downs, thats not going to get the job done.

I agree the Broncos need to add a veteran WR; Marshall should be the #2 there next year, but they need to have a better contingency than David Kircus if he cant make the transition.

Lepsis' recovery, Meadows' health and Pears' growth will fuel how much change needs to be made at the OL. They certainly need to be looking at every position along the OL, at least for depth purposes.

Besides DE, Saftey should be the biggest priority for the Broncos this offseason. They had really poor play from both positions as the season went on this year.

And finally, as odd as it sounds, they need to find a more consistent, well-rounded RB, as neither of the Bells were able to show they should be back as the starter next year. I do think Tatum should be retained in a 8-10 carry a game role.

 

[Ryan_21]

Next year the Broncos need to feed Mike Bell the ROCK, repeatedly.

 

[pinda]

Here's my take:

First thing they need to do is fire Larry Coyer and Ronnie Bradford, Special Teams Coach. Bring in a highly experienced Defensive coordinator that knows when to blitz. Not decide one year we are going to blitz all year, then next year we won't blitz at all because the previous year we used the blitz too much. Also a special teams coach that is a ST specialist. Too long Shanny has used this position as a feeding ground for future coaches. This year's ST on both sides was probably the worst I've seen in the last 20 years for the Broncos. Field position was brutal. The lone bright spot, Quincy Morgan. They have to bring him back. Especially now with the unfortunate death of Darrent Williams.

Needs in this order: DT, S, OL, WR3, CB2/3, RB depth, Punter

Defensive Tackle has to be addressed. Stopping the run was brutal in the 2nd half of the year, something that us Denver fans have been very proud of the past few years. They need a huge body to take up space which will allow Warren, Ekuban, Dumervil to reek some havoc inside. If Courtney Brown is back next year, he should provide a nice depth DE, pass rush specialist like Dumervil. This is where you have to go with the first rounder unless a major player drops to you.

Safety is a must to be addressed. Darrent Williams, may he rest in peace, was thrown under the bus for getting burned by Wayne and company. What most people didn't see was that Lynch was supposed to be over the top on a couple of those plays and he was just too slow in getting over. Although he still has big hits, he just can't roam the field like he used too. Add to that Sam Brandon and Nick Ferguson are coming off major knee injuries and can't be counted on for speed. Normally, safety wouldn't be so high, but we are in need of safeties at both FS and SS.

OL. Most Broncos fans know it was all downhill after Lepsis went out. His torn ACL was a tear in the line. It was nice to see Pears and Meadows step up, but they were hardly franchise LT's. Unfortunately, with the Lepsis injury we also have seen the last of George Foster, another Shanahan first round reach that became another Shanahan first round bust. I really hope Shanny just sticks to the gameplan now and drafts properly instead of reaching. He's done that to a certain degree in the past 2 years and those have been the best drafts for the Broncos in a long, long time. Lepsis will be back, but the reality is it's time to address is heir apparent. Groom that future LT. But a little more depth would help this position.

WR3 as well. Kircus isn't putting fear into anybody. I believe Marshall will be a solid #2 next year. He wasn't consistent but 20 catches for 309 with a 15.5 average is very nice. That average is great for a WR2. Given the opportunity, you will see the consistency with him. I could see him finishing with 55-65 catches for 700-800 yards. His drops weren't glaring and he did sell out for anything thrown his way. I wish I could say Rod Smith for WR3 but traditionally that's a burner role, and Rod can't do that.

CB 2/3. I think Foxworth can step up to a starter's role and Paymah looks like he's ready to make the leap as well to #3. It's unfortunate about Darrent, because I really thought as a player he would be coming into his own next year. Still would be nice to address this position with a first day pick.

RB depth. I agree with giving Mike Bell the rock. He's shown he can handle a load. Even though he doesn't have a 2nd gear, he could work on his "gamespeed" and being quicker in the offseason. I don't think Shanny will give it to him though. I could see him signing Barlow once he's released in continuing the trend of taking other team's rejects. Also, could see them trying to sign Chris Brown to a 1 year deal. The market will be pretty dry for Brown considering he did nothing this year. Definitely need some depth here. I think Tatum is gone next season for a 2nd day pick.

Lastly, get a punter. A real one. Oh my god, Ernster is just brutal. His punts were pretty bad, 3rd worst in the league and considering he was kicking in the thin air, that's brutal. His kickoffs weren't bad, they tailed off towards the end of the season but that's normal.

 

[lord_helmet]

1) DT - Get a mommoth in there next to Warren, Big Terd from Oakland via FA maybe ?

2) S - Ken Hamlin would be a tremendous pickup, but there's also top talent like Landry & Nelson entering the draft if Shanny feels like using a high pick to adress this need.

3) OL - Who knows with Nalen and Lepsis ? Haven't heard much about their recovery. Need to find a gem in the draft

4) DC - Agreed, fire Coyer

5) RB - Mike Bell can't handle a full load and his passblocking is terrible. Retain Tatum and roll with it tho, there are other more glaring needs.

6) DE - Ekuban, Lang & Dumervil (Brown ?) are fine, a big DT would work miracles for the pass rush

7) LB - pretty good corps, I firmly believe Gold sucks and should be replaced tho. Again a solid DT next to Warren could help them out

8) WR - Rod Smith is getting up there in age, would love to see them add a burner like DJ Hackett in FA

9) QB - Looks like Jake will be gone, need to sign a veteran backup in the off season

10) OL - Cutlers blind side MUST be protected, can't underline the importance of this enough

Thats my .02

 

[cr8f]

Ricky Williams.

 

[rockbottom895]

Here's my take:First thing they need to do is fire Larry Coyer and Ronnie Bradford, Special Teams Coach. Bring in a highly experienced Defensive coordinator that knows when to blitz. Not decide one year we are going to blitz all year, then next year we won't blitz at all because the previous year we used the blitz too much. Also a special teams coach that is a ST specialist. Too long Shanny has used this position as a feeding ground for future coaches. This year's ST on both sides was probably the worst I've seen in the last 20 years for the Broncos. Field position was brutal. The lone bright spot, Quincy Morgan. They have to bring him back. Especially now with the unfortunate death of Darrent Williams.Needs in this order: DT, S, OL, WR3, CB2/3, RB depth, PunterDefensive Tackle has to be addressed. Stopping the run was brutal in the 2nd half of the year, something that us Denver fans have been very proud of the past few years. They need a huge body to take up space which will allow Warren, Ekuban, Dumervil to reek some havoc inside. If Courtney Brown is back next year, he should provide a nice depth DE, pass rush specialist like Dumervil. This is where you have to go with the first rounder unless a major player drops to you.Safety is a must to be addressed. Darrent Williams, may he rest in peace, was thrown under the bus for getting burned by Wayne and company. What most people didn't see was that Lynch was supposed to be over the top on a couple of those plays and he was just too slow in getting over. Although he still has big hits, he just can't roam the field like he used too. Add to that Sam Brandon and Nick Ferguson are coming off major knee injuries and can't be counted on for speed. Normally, safety wouldn't be so high, but we are in need of safeties at both FS and SS. OL. Most Broncos fans know it was all downhill after Lepsis went out. His torn ACL was a tear in the line. It was nice to see Pears and Meadows step up, but they were hardly franchise LT's. Unfortunately, with the Lepsis injury we also have seen the last of George Foster, another Shanahan first round reach that became another Shanahan first round bust. I really hope Shanny just sticks to the gameplan now and drafts properly instead of reaching. He's done that to a certain degree in the past 2 years and those have been the best drafts for the Broncos in a long, long time. Lepsis will be back, but the reality is it's time to address is heir apparent. Groom that future LT. But a little more depth would help this position.WR3 as well. Kircus isn't putting fear into anybody. I believe Marshall will be a solid #2 next year. He wasn't consistent but 20 catches for 309 with a 15.5 average is very nice. That average is great for a WR2. Given the opportunity, you will see the consistency with him. I could see him finishing with 55-65 catches for 700-800 yards. His drops weren't glaring and he did sell out for anything thrown his way. I wish I could say Rod Smith for WR3 but traditionally that's a burner role, and Rod can't do that. CB 2/3. I think Foxworth can step up to a starter's role and Paymah looks like he's ready to make the leap as well to #3. It's unfortunate about Darrent, because I really thought as a player he would be coming into his own next year. Still would be nice to address this position with a first day pick.RB depth. I agree with giving Mike Bell the rock. He's shown he can handle a load. Even though he doesn't have a 2nd gear, he could work on his "gamespeed" and being quicker in the offseason. I don't think Shanny will give it to him though. I could see him signing Barlow once he's released in continuing the trend of taking other team's rejects. Also, could see them trying to sign Chris Brown to a 1 year deal. The market will be pretty dry for Brown considering he did nothing this year. Definitely need some depth here. I think Tatum is gone next season for a 2nd day pick.Lastly, get a punter. A real one. Oh my god, Ernster is just brutal. His punts were pretty bad, 3rd worst in the league and considering he was kicking in the thin air, that's brutal. His kickoffs weren't bad, they tailed off towards the end of the season but that's normal.

This is all pretty good information, but I do not agree with the need to go for a cornerback. Before the death of Darrent Williams (RIP), there were talks about Dominique Forworth taking his job already. Forworth started one game at CB2, against the Bengals, and put the X on Housh. I also do not think that the Broncos need any running back depth. Mike was only a rookie this year, and he is getting much better. Our RB's are fine, its our offensive line that needs some help. Once we get our line to get back to their original blocking scheme and to stop being pushed around, Mike will run wild. Besides that, good posting.

 

[softball]

Ricky Williams.

Jamal Lewis

 

[diesel7982]

Ricky Williams.

Jamal Lewis

Fred Taylor

 

[rockbottom895]

Ricky Williams.

Jamal Lewis

Fred Taylor

Fred Taylor would really fit well in the Broncos system, but the Broncos do not have the kind of money that Fred Taylor wants. To be logical, the Broncos could draft a RB in the 6th round that will produce in their system. They need a downhill runner, and one who has the ability to cut back hard. Im still a believer of Mike Bell.

 

[diesel7982]

Ricky Williams.

Jamal Lewis

Fred Taylor

Fred Taylor would really fit well in the Broncos system, but the Broncos do not have the kind of money that Fred Taylor wants. To be logical, the Broncos could draft a RB in the 6th round that will produce in their system. They need a downhill runner, and one who has the ability to cut back hard. Im still a believer of Mike Bell.

What kind of money are you thinking Fred Taylor wants?

 

[msommer]

Ricky Williams.

Jamal Lewis

Fred Taylor

Fred Taylor would really fit well in the Broncos system, but the Broncos do not have the kind of money that Fred Taylor wants. To be logical, the Broncos could draft a RB in the 6th round that will produce in their system. They need a downhill runner, and one who has the ability to cut back hard. Im still a believer of Mike Bell.

What kind of money are you thinking Fred Taylor wants?

Didn't he just ask the Jags for 5M?

 

[thatguy]

Biggest need continues to be on the D Line. Period. They have yet to adequately replace Trevor Pryce, and even when they had him, their passrush was still lackluster. Until they can get pressure with a 4 man rush, they aren't going anywhere. Sure, blitzing is one way to get pressure, but you can't blitz all the time.

As for what you said about Marshall, Christ man, give it some time. The kid came on in a big way down the stretch, and there's no reason to think he won't be a very good WR2.

 

[thatguy]

As for RB, I'm in the Mike Bell camp. I think that with a healthy O Line and a dangerous passing game, the holes will be there and he'll find them. No idea where all this "he can't carry the full load" crap is coming from. The fact is we don't know if he can or if he can't at this juncture. I hope Shanny gives him a chance to find out next season. I also think he's faster than a lot of people give him credit for. Sure, he's no Tatum, but he hits the hole fast, and he has the ability to get the second level and outrun people as he showed with a handful of long runs this season.

I think if Lepsis comes back healthy, and they improve their play at RT, that offense will be special next season, and probably for a long time. Cutler, Walker, Scheffler, Marshall, and their typical running game...

RIP Darrent

 

[QB11]

It's time for Denver to return to a more bruising inside-the-tackles RB.

His name is: Cedric Cobbs

 

[diesel7982]

Ricky Williams.

Jamal Lewis

Fred Taylor

Fred Taylor would really fit well in the Broncos system, but the Broncos do not have the kind of money that Fred Taylor wants. To be logical, the Broncos could draft a RB in the 6th round that will produce in their system. They need a downhill runner, and one who has the ability to cut back hard. Im still a believer of Mike Bell.

What kind of money are you thinking Fred Taylor wants?

Didn't he just ask the Jags for 5M?

Yes. Do you think he actually thinks he'll get it?

 

[msommer]

Ricky Williams.

Jamal Lewis

Fred Taylor

Fred Taylor would really fit well in the Broncos system, but the Broncos do not have the kind of money that Fred Taylor wants. To be logical, the Broncos could draft a RB in the 6th round that will produce in their system. They need a downhill runner, and one who has the ability to cut back hard. Im still a believer of Mike Bell.

What kind of money are you thinking Fred Taylor wants?

Didn't he just ask the Jags for 5M?

Yes. Do you think he actually thinks he'll get it?

I think the only person who can actually answer that question is Fred Taylor. My guess is he wants to be released while he still can sign another contract.That aside I only answered the question.

 

[diesel7982]

Ricky Williams.

Jamal Lewis

Fred Taylor

Fred Taylor would really fit well in the Broncos system, but the Broncos do not have the kind of money that Fred Taylor wants. To be logical, the Broncos could draft a RB in the 6th round that will produce in their system. They need a downhill runner, and one who has the ability to cut back hard. Im still a believer of Mike Bell.

What kind of money are you thinking Fred Taylor wants?

Didn't he just ask the Jags for 5M?

Yes. Do you think he actually thinks he'll get it?

I think the only person who can actually answer that question is Fred Taylor. My guess is he wants to be released while he still can sign another contract.That aside I only answered the question.

Hes asking the Jags to bump his one year salary to $5m, meaning he'll count $5m next year on their cap on a 1 yr deal. If he wanted to stay in Jax, hed be asking for a long-term deal with money up front and a lower salary.

Out on the open market, Taylor will only have a moderate cap hit once he signs a 3-4 yr deal with whoever wants him. His cap hit will be a couple mil in 2007, and thats plenty affordable for the Broncos.

 

[pinda]

This is all pretty good information, but I do not agree with the need to go for a cornerback. Before the death of Darrent Williams (RIP), there were talks about Dominique Forworth taking his job already. Forworth started one game at CB2, against the Bengals, and put the X on Housh. I also do not think that the Broncos need any running back depth. Mike was only a rookie this year, and he is getting much better. Our RB's are fine, its our offensive line that needs some help. Once we get our line to get back to their original blocking scheme and to stop being pushed around, Mike will run wild. Besides that, good posting.

yeah you make good points, that's why I'd address CB and RB last out of the list, other than punter of course.both CB andRB, I wouldn't be looking for starters, more depth to replace the loss of DWill and to let go of Tatum.

 

[Ryan_21]

I think the Broncos would be smart to trade tatum for a 3rd rounder if they can get it and then Draft Lorenzo Booker and Let Mike Bell carry the ball 20 times a game and use Booker and his speed in Tatums former 8-12 carry a game role.

 

[BassNBrew]

Before I answer the question, I need to know if the goal is to go to post season or to piss another year.

 

[pinda]

so if the rumors are correct, we can chalk up one off the list for Coyer being released, who are the likely replacements?

 

[DocNiner52]

Maybe Shanny could talk to Gary Kubiak and convince him to trade Ron Dayne.

 

[pinda]

Maybe Shanny could talk to Gary Kubiak and convince him to trade Ron Dayne.

how long did it take you think of that one, this thread has been open for a while so a long time? or were you just trying to time it right.

 

[Floyd The Barber]

Having watched a lot of Broncos offensive football this year, here are a couple thoughts.

-- Their offenisve receivers are fine with Walker, Smith and Marshall. Their #2 aerial option is going to be TE Tony Scheffler which will give Marshall more time to develope.

-- Mike Bell isn't good enough to take Denver where Shanahan wants them to go. He's good at several things, but great at none. Specifically, I don't think he has enough bulk to consistently get the tough yardage when needed. Shanny's offense depends on keeping the chains moving. It's why Tater was never going to make it, yet Mike Andereson and Reuben Droughns could. The Ricky Williams / Jamal Lewis support is right on target. That type of back.

Upgrading RB should be (and likely will ) be an off-season priority.

 

[DocNiner52]

Maybe Shanny could talk to Gary Kubiak and convince him to trade Ron Dayne.

how long did it take you think of that one, this thread has been open for a while so a long time? or were you just trying to time it right.

Nah,just didn't read it until now. Only trying to throw a little levity on the subject seeing as how Denver's rb situation is something that get's talked about a lot on this message board.

 

[Arm Chair Express]

Biggest need continues to be on the D Line. Period. They have yet to adequately replace Trevor Pryce, and even when they had him, their passrush was still lackluster. Until they can get pressure with a 4 man rush, they aren't going anywhere. Sure, blitzing is one way to get pressure, but you can't blitz all the time.As for what you said about Marshall, Christ man, give it some time. The kid came on in a big way down the stretch, and there's no reason to think he won't be a very good WR2.

Not to mention the emergence of Scheffler.

 

[moleculo]

lots of good breakdowns here. I don't think I can add anything that hasn't already been said, but for future reference.

 

[rascal]

My dream offseason:

FA/Coaching

Sign Daniel Graham from the Patriots.

Sign T Sands from the Raiders at DT. With our smallish LB's we need big boys up front and him with Warren do just that. Myers and Veal provide a good rotation.

Sign K Hamlin (Seahawks) or D Grant (Jags) at FS and move Lynch back to SS. Sam Brandon can be used in big nickel situations, BTW our nickel package sucked once he got injured BTW, and will be Lynch's replacement when he finally calls it good.

Resign Cooper Carlisle (IMO he was the best lineman they had this year after Lepsis got hurt).

Sign Adalius Thomas and cut/sign Ian Gold.

Trade Tatum, Jake, Hamilton (Kuper can start at RG and Elsinger or Myers can replace Nails next year when he retires) and Foster for any kind of draft picks.

Get a new ST's coach.

Draft:

Get a DE and RB the first two rounds and then draft for depth.

 

[BusMan]

My dream offseason:FA/CoachingSign Daniel Graham from the Patriots.Sign T Sands from the Raiders at DT. With our smallish LB's we need big boys up front and him with Warren do just that. Myers and Veal provide a good rotation.Sign K Hamlin (Seahawks) or D Grant (Jags) at FS and move Lynch back to SS. Sam Brandon can be used in big nickel situations, BTW our nickel package sucked once he got injured BTW, and will be Lynch's replacement when he finally calls it good.Resign Cooper Carlisle (IMO he was the best lineman they had this year after Lepsis got hurt).Sign Adalius Thomas and cut/sign Ian Gold.Trade Tatum, Jake, Hamilton (Kuper can start at RG and Elsinger or Myers can replace Nails next year when he retires) and Foster for any kind of draft picks.Get a new ST's coach.Draft:Get a DE and RB the first two rounds and then draft for depth.

I've heard that the coaching staff is high on Michael Myers and is looking to resign (UFA, I believe). They like him in there as a starter. Warren they're a bit more down on, IIRC.

 

[rascal]

My dream offseason:FA/CoachingSign Daniel Graham from the Patriots.Sign T Sands from the Raiders at DT. With our smallish LB's we need big boys up front and him with Warren do just that. Myers and Veal provide a good rotation.Sign K Hamlin (Seahawks) or D Grant (Jags) at FS and move Lynch back to SS. Sam Brandon can be used in big nickel situations, BTW our nickel package sucked once he got injured BTW, and will be Lynch's replacement when he finally calls it good.Resign Cooper Carlisle (IMO he was the best lineman they had this year after Lepsis got hurt).Sign Adalius Thomas and cut/sign Ian Gold.Trade Tatum, Jake, Hamilton (Kuper can start at RG and Elsinger or Myers can replace Nails next year when he retires) and Foster for any kind of draft picks.Get a new ST's coach.Draft:Get a DE and RB the first two rounds and then draft for depth.

I've heard that the coaching staff is high on Michael Myers and is looking to resign (UFA, I believe). They like him in there as a starter. Warren they're a bit more down on, IIRC.

Yeah Myers is a UFA, I just don't agree with them being starter material. I don't necessarily believe that Denver Post article about them being content with Warren, Myers, and Veal at DT (at least I hope not). Warren was battling injuries to his toes all season long and it prevented him from having any kind of push. Hopefully he will be healthy next year and return to 2005 form.Be interesting to see what they do on defense with Coyer being released.

 

[rockbottom895]

My dream offseason:FA/CoachingSign Daniel Graham from the Patriots.Sign T Sands from the Raiders at DT. With our smallish LB's we need big boys up front and him with Warren do just that. Myers and Veal provide a good rotation.Sign K Hamlin (Seahawks) or D Grant (Jags) at FS and move Lynch back to SS. Sam Brandon can be used in big nickel situations, BTW our nickel package sucked once he got injured BTW, and will be Lynch's replacement when he finally calls it good.Resign Cooper Carlisle (IMO he was the best lineman they had this year after Lepsis got hurt).Sign Adalius Thomas and cut/sign Ian Gold.Trade Tatum, Jake, Hamilton (Kuper can start at RG and Elsinger or Myers can replace Nails next year when he retires) and Foster for any kind of draft picks.Get a new ST's coach.Draft:Get a DE and RB the first two rounds and then draft for depth.

I've heard that the coaching staff is high on Michael Myers and is looking to resign (UFA, I believe). They like him in there as a starter. Warren they're a bit more down on, IIRC.

Yeah Myers is a UFA, I just don't agree with them being starter material. I don't necessarily believe that Denver Post article about them being content with Warren, Myers, and Veal at DT (at least I hope not). Warren was battling injuries to his toes all season long and it prevented him from having any kind of push. Hopefully he will be healthy next year and return to 2005 form.Be interesting to see what they do on defense with Coyer being released.

I agree one hundred percent, We need more help on the defensive line.

 

[lord_helmet]

As for RB, I'm in the Mike Bell camp. I think that with a healthy O Line and a dangerous passing game, the holes will be there and he'll find them. No idea where all this "he can't carry the full load" crap is coming from. The fact is we don't know if he can or if he can't at this juncture. I hope Shanny gives him a chance to find out next season. I also think he's faster than a lot of people give him credit for. Sure, he's no Tatum, but he hits the hole fast, and he has the ability to get the second level and outrun people as he showed with a handful of long runs this season.I think if Lepsis comes back healthy, and they improve their play at RT, that offense will be special next season, and probably for a long time. Cutler, Walker, Scheffler, Marshall, and their typical running game... RIP Darrent

To me it seems pretty obvious Shanny doesn't think so, he has been scrambling all season for a feature back to emerge. It might just be a conditioning issue tho, if Mike Bell comes back a little stronger and don't look like he's gonna puke after a few runs you might be right.

 

[rascal]

BTW Patterson the d-line coach was also fired. IMO he deserved to be fired more then Coyer. Wish they would also fire Ronnie Bradford, ST's coach, but apparently he has naked pictures of Shanny or something.

Apparently the people on the short list to replace Coyer are Bates, Mora, and Slowik.

Bates has a lot of connections in the Denver area and the Broncos so it's possible he goes there. I'd love for him to do so. His son, Jeremy, is an offensive assistant for the Broncos, and his other son, James, resides in Denver. Bates also attended the Broncos home game against Cincy. And Shanny has admired Bates for a while apparently as well.

 

[Skino]

I don't quite remember the circumstances, but in the three way trade at the beginning of the season, the Broncos acquired a conditional pick from Washington. It was said it could potentially involve them swapping their first round picks which would give Denver the #6 pick. Anyone know anything about it?

 

[thayman]

I don't quite remember the circumstances, but in the three way trade at the beginning of the season, the Broncos acquired a conditional pick from Washington. It was said it could potentially involve them swapping their first round picks which would give Denver the #6 pick. Anyone know anything about it?

It was the third round pick. There were some more conditions IIRC, that could have given Denver more I think, but they were pretty high IIRC I will search for a link or something on some of my Skins sites, but I know Duckett didn't come anywhere close to meeting any conditions (% of offensive snaps, or yardarge, or TDs)

 

[SaintArnold]

I don't quite remember the circumstances, but in the three way trade at the beginning of the season, the Broncos acquired a conditional pick from Washington. It was said it could potentially involve them swapping their first round picks which would give Denver the #6 pick. Anyone know anything about it?

Since the draft order has been determined, the picks are set. Denver gets Wash's #3 this year and #4 next year. They are not swapping first round picks. Sorry, no link, but if you hunt around on denverpost.com you can substantiate this.

 

[Skino]

Thanks a lot guys. I didn't see it mentioned anywhere so I was just curious. I wasn't very hopeful because as thayman said, Duckett was used to any kind of extent where he would meet any kind of conditions. Thanks again for the prompt info.

 

[pinda]

I don't quite remember the circumstances, but in the three way trade at the beginning of the season, the Broncos acquired a conditional pick from Washington. It was said it could potentially involve them swapping their first round picks which would give Denver the #6 pick. Anyone know anything about it?

It was the third round pick. There were some more conditions IIRC, that could have given Denver more I think, but they were pretty high IIRC I will search for a link or something on some of my Skins sites, but I know Duckett didn't come anywhere close to meeting any conditions (% of offensive snaps, or yardarge, or TDs)

FYI, there was no performance conditions attached to the trade. It was based entirely on the draft chart that teams use to determine the value of draft picks. So it didn't have anything to do with Duckett or Lelie's playing time, performances.The trade to swap was not going to happen if Washington finished in the top 10. If that was the case the Broncos would end up with a 3rd this year, and 4th next year. Since Washington did finish in the top 10, that's what the Broncos will end up getting.Basic thought behind this trade is in order for Denver to move up from their spot of #21 to let's say #14 or #15, it will cost them a 3rd and 4th rounder according to the draft chart. So Washington was willing to give them the swap or the picks required to swap.

 

[pinda]

Broncos fans celebrate.....Jim Bates brought in as the assistant coach/Defense. Slowik is the defensive coordinator. Basically, Bates has the final say on defense.

Huge for the Broncos defense, got a guy who has great experience and brought a couple of defenses to an elite level.

 

[pinda]

add to that this:

Pete Rodriguez, whom Shanahan previously tried to hire as defensive coordinator and was fired earlier this month by the Jacksonville Jaguars, could be hired to be the team’s special teams coach.Rodriguez is considered one of the best special-teams coaches in the league.

Here's my take:First thing they need to do is fire Larry Coyer and Ronnie Bradford, Special Teams Coach. Bring in a highly experienced Defensive coordinator that knows when to blitz. Not decide one year we are going to blitz all year, then next year we won't blitz at all because the previous year we used the blitz too much. Also a special teams coach that is a ST specialist. Too long Shanny has used this position as a feeding ground for future coaches. This year's ST on both sides was probably the worst I've seen in the last 20 years for the Broncos. Field position was brutal. The lone bright spot, Quincy Morgan. They have to bring him back. Especially now with the unfortunate death of Darrent Williams.

would be awesome if they could get him, good job on Shanny to address two huge needs filled, Shanny has me on his side, these are the first two things I wanted.

 

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Broncos | Team will hire Bates to lead defense

Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:25:03 -0800

Jeff Legwold, of the Rocky Mountain News, reports the Denver Broncos are expected to hire former Miami Dolphins and Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator Jim Bates. He is expected to be named assistant head coach/defense, according to sources. Broncos secondary coach Bob Slowik is also expected to be given the title of defensive coordinator.

 

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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...278527,00.html

Broncos continue coaching maneuvers

With coaches interviewing all around the league in recent days, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan continued to move quickly to fill his available slots.

Having already secured Jim Bates as defensive coordinator this week, Shanahan continued over the weekend to zero in on former Atlanta Falcons defensive line coach Bill Johnson, according to two league sources.

The Broncos and Johnson have agreed in principle and Johnson could be formally announced as soon as Monday as a new Broncos defensive line coach.

Neither Shanahan nor Johnson could be reached for comment Saturday.

Johnson will replace Andre Patterson, who was fired earlier this week, and split duties with long-time Broncos assistant Jacob Burney in the team's defensive front. The Broncos are looking for more production up front in a defense that finished with just 35 sacks this past season.

The 51-year-old Johnson was a long-time college assistant, including stops at Miami (1987), Arkansas (1990-91, 2000) and Texas A&M (1992-99). He had been with the Falcons since 2001.

Falcons defense end Patrick Kerney, who will be an unrestricted free agent in March, has said publicly the Falcons retaining Johnson would be one of the factors he would consider before re-signing in Atlanta.

The Broncos hiring Johnson could give them a chance in free agency at Kerney at what is a need position for the team.

The Broncos are also believed to still be pursuing Pete Rodriguez to join the staff as well.

Rodriguez is one of the most respected special teams coaches in the league and at the moment he's available for the right offer. The Jacksonville Jaguars fired Rodriguez and four other assistants earlier this month when Jack Del Rio re-shuffled his staff in the wake of the team's playoff miss.

However, Rodriguez still has a year remaining on his contract with the Jaguars, and said Thursday he wouldn't be in a hurry to take anything but the right offer.

Rodriguez and Shanahan are long-time friends. Rodriguez was a Los Angeles Raiders assistant in 1988-89, hired by Shanahan when he was the Oakland's head coach. Special teams were a trouble spot for the Broncos this season. Denver was 31st in the league in average drive start after kickoffs, did not have a returner among the AFC's top 12 in punt returns and did not have a returner in the AFC's top 17 on kickoffs.

"I'm going to look at everything,'' Rodriguez said. "I'm just enjoying my time right now.''

Rodriguez, a former Denver Gold assistant and graduate of Western State in Gunnison, has coached five Pro Bowl punters in his career and was named special teams of the decade in the 90s by the Dallas Morning News, which conducts an annual special teams report each season.

The Broncos hired Bates this past week as assistant head coach/defense while Bob Slowik, who is the Broncos secondary coach, was also promoted to defensive coordinator. Slowik and Bates will participate in the game-planning during the week, but Bates is expected to call the plays on gameday.

The Broncos had a similar arrangement on offense this past season with Mike Heimerdinger as assistant head coach and Rick Dennison as offensive coordinator. Heimerdinger coordinated the team's passing game, Dennison the running game with Shanahan calling the bulk of the plays on gameday.

The re-shuffling of the defensive staff came in the wake of the 9-7 finish that did not get the Broncos into the postseason.

The Broncos led the league in scoring defense after six games in '06 and at that point in the year the team was 5-1 and had surrendered just 272 yards per game. However, by the end of the season they had fallen to 14th in total defense, allowing 326.4 yards per game including 359.2 yards per game over the last 10.

The Broncos also surrendered leads of at least eight points in home losses to Indianapolis, San Diego, Seattle and San Francisco over their last five games at Invesco Field at Mile High.

 

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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...278527,00.html

Broncos continue coaching maneuvers

With coaches interviewing all around the league in recent days, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan continued to move quickly to fill his available slots.

Having already secured Jim Bates as defensive coordinator this week, Shanahan continued over the weekend to zero in on former Atlanta Falcons defensive line coach Bill Johnson, according to two league sources.

The Broncos and Johnson have agreed in principle and Johnson could be formally announced as soon as Monday as a new Broncos defensive line coach.

...

The Broncos are also believed to still be pursuing Pete Rodriguez to join the staff as well.

Rodriguez is one of the most respected special teams coaches in the league and at the moment he's available for the right offer. The Jacksonville Jaguars fired Rodriguez and four other assistants earlier this month when Jack Del Rio re-shuffled his staff in the wake of the team's playoff miss.

...

Rodriguez, a former Denver Gold assistant and graduate of Western State in Gunnison, has coached five Pro Bowl punters in his career and was named special teams of the decade in the 90s by the Dallas Morning News, which conducts an annual special teams report each season.

This is excellent news. I'm extremely pleased with the Bates hire, and I'm very happy Shanahan is shuffling early - hopefully he can sign the right coaches before teams like SD get 'em first. I believe that coaching, especially on the defensive side of the ball, have been a big problem all last season. I'm pretty sure the broncos would have beaten the Colts, ChargersSeahawks, 49ers, etc if they had a defensive coordinator who was capable of holding a 2nd half lead. Bates should be good for at least 3 more wins, which would have easily put the Broncos into the playoffs.

 

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I havent read all the relies but I'm betting the Broncos go after a CB via FA or early in the draft.

 

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I havent read all the relies but I'm betting the Broncos go after a CB via FA or early in the draft.

Depending on your definition of early you will probably lose that bet. Unless somebody incredible drops I don't think they take one at least the first two rounds. Foxworth, Paymah, and Cox will cover for D-will just fine. It won't matter who they have back there though if they can't get some pressure on the QB.BTW...apparently courtney brown's knee is not healing on schedule...suprise suprise.

 

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RMN article today - some tidbits as to what Shanahan is thinking.

Shanahan has plenty to say about Denver's chances and what next

season will hold

By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News

February 7, 2007

ENGLEWOOD - Time was - eight years ago, to be exact - Mike Shanahan

was returning from Miami with a Super Bowl glow.

The Broncos coach did have a South Beach-approved tan Tuesday as he

met the media at Dove Valley.

But it was the Indianapolis Colts coming away with what he wanted

from South Florida - the accompanying good tidings that come with

possession of the Lombardi Trophy.

Still, Shanahan made it clear he doesn't believe the Broncos are far

from getting up on a raised platform and celebrating through a shower

of confetti after making adjustments in personnel, coaching and

attitude.

"I think everybody can see the teams are very, very close. Just us

playing Indy this year . . . ," he said, referring to a 34-31 loss

Oct. 29. "We probably dominated that game more so than the score

indicated, so you know you're not very far away. You've got to get a

little lucky. You've got to stay healthy and play your best football

at the end of the season, not early in the season. And you've got to

have mental toughness when the going gets tough. We lost a number of

games here when we had leads."

The end result was a 9-7 season after seven wins in the first nine

games, a quarterback change and, since, an overhaul of the assistant

coaching staff. The roster shuffling will come soon with the

breakdown of available free agents already in progress, leading to

April's draft and into minicamps.

But Shanahan spoke about needing to move into the top five in scoring

defense and offense to make that transformation ultimately into a

title contender.

"Any time you're ranked 21st on offense, that's embarrassing in

itself," Shanahan said.

"We're not used to doing that and we won't be there very long."

Shanahan touched on a variety of subjects in a wide- ranging news

conference, looking ahead and back at the state of his team.

At right are some of the highlights.

Coaching carousel

The Broncos have shuffled the deck considerably, hiring an assistant

head coach/defense (Jim Bates), special-teams coach (Scott O'Brien),

linebackers coach (Joe Baker) and defensive line coach (Bill Johnson)

while doling out new titles for existing coaches such as Pat

McPherson (tight ends), Jeremy Bates (receivers/ quarterbacks),

Ronnie Bradford (assistant secondary) and Steve Watson (associate

head coach).

"It gives us the kind of staff I'm really proud of," Shanahan said.

While he wouldn't specifically address the reasoning for the wide-

scale movement or any potential scheme changes, Shanahan offered X's

and O's weren't the sole factors in the overhaul. It was

about "coaches coaching" and "getting the players to play hard," he

said.

Roster tweaks

Again, there were few specifics about positions needing upgrades in

free agency. But Shanahan seemed to indicate he'll allow defensive

tackle Michael Myers and guard Cooper Carlisle, the team's top two

pending free agents, to test the market.

The Broncos currently have about $4.4 million in salary-cap room

before contract renegotiations, releases and trades. But with a new

labor deal, several teams are better positioned for lucrative free-

agent offers with substantial cap space.

"We're not going to try and overpay for somebody because there's

money out there," Shanahan said.

One player likely on the move is Jake Plummer. Citing the demoted

quarterback's 40-18 record as the Broncos starter, the expectation

from Shanahan is the team will get some compensation for his services

and Plummer the chance to be No. 1 again.

"You're definitely going to get something for him. There's no

question about it," Shanahan said, adding the door isn't completely

closed on Plummer staying on as Jay Cutler's backup.

Many other veterans are expected back, including safety John Lynch,

receiver Rod Smith and center Tom Nalen.

Catching heat

It's to be determined whether Rod Smith will start opposite Javon

Walker next season, but it will be the team captain's job to lose to

second-year pro Brandon Marshall at the beginning of camps.

"To say Rod is the definite starter, I can't say that because we do

have some great competition at that position," Shanahan said.

Smith's production fell sharply last season to 52 catches for 512

yards, but he has hinted he wants to continue playing.

Shanahan contended Smith, who likely has a contract adjustment

forthcoming, will adjust to whatever role that he eventually lands.

"It wouldn't surprise me if he wins it," he said.

But Marshall came on late last season and "you could see his

potential just soar," Shanahan said.

Walker has turned into the unquestioned No. 1 and the team appears

likely to pick up his $10 million in various bonuses within the next

month to secure him long-term.

The only question is Walker's mental state after teammate Darrent

Williams tragically died in his arms on New Year's Day. Shanahan

related a story that touched him in his past, when one of his best

friends crashed his motorcycle while he was riding on the back. He

lived; his friend didn't, something that sticks with him to this day.

"Javon will always think about Darrent Williams and what he meant to

him and this football team . . . but I definitely think he'll get

over it. That's what you have to do. Life goes on," Shanahan said.

Back to the future

The Broncos had the eighth-ranked run offense in the NFL but was

nowhere near their past levels, as evidenced by the season finale,

when the Broncos stalled three times inside the 10 and lost their

playoff shot.

Shanahan defended leading rusher Tatum Bell, but said, "You're just

disappointed with the turnovers he had late in the season."

Shanahan also admitted a perfect scenario is having "that superstar

guy that can carry the load."

But the problems go beyond the backfield, he added.

Having left tackle Matt Lepsis back from right knee surgery should

help solidify the offensive line, but Shanahan was vague on other

possible changes up front, which could be focused on the line's right

side in the coming weeks and months.

 

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today's RMN - free agent speculation

Lions cornerback Bly catches Broncos' eye

By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News

February 27, 2007

With their roster a cornerback short after the slaying of Darrent

Williams, the Broncos are among the teams that have expressed

interest in veteran Dré Bly.

Bly, 29, is among several Detroit Lions players who have been given

permission to shop themselves to other NFL teams. The Broncos meet

the eight-year pro's yardstick as a playoff-caliber franchise. And

from the Broncos' perspective, they would be receiving a two-time Pro

Bowl selection they could pair with Champ Bailey to form one of the

league's strongest tandems.

The Broncos have an extra third-round pick in the April draft to

possibly dangle as trade bait, owning their selection plus one they

acquired from the Washington Redskins. That compensation might

satiate the Lions, but there are other issues to consider.

The Broncos aren't flush in salary-cap money and likely would have to

rework Bly's deal, which includes a base salary of $4.2 million this

season.

And with the free-agent market thin at the position, the Broncos

likely would face competition for Bly's services. Published reports

have listed the Tennessee Titans and Atlanta Falcons among the

potential suitors.

Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said earlier this month nickel back

Domonique Foxworth would move into the right corner spot formerly

held by Williams. NFL observers believe Foxworth regressed a bit in

his second season and the Broncos need to add a veteran cornerback.

Bly has played in 119 games with the St. Louis Rams and Detroit and

has recorded 33 interceptions and five touchdowns. He's a strong man-

to-man defender but didn't jell in the Lions' two-deep zone scheme

last season.

MONEY MATTERS: The Broncos are involved in a cat-and-mouse game with

defensive tackle Gerard Warren.

The team wants to renegotiate his contract, under which he is soon

set to earn a $3 million option bonus and $2.37 million roster bonus.

And the buzz around the scouting combine in Indianapolis was the

Broncos were pushing hard to land New Orleans defensive tackle Hollis

Thomas, putting pressure on Warren to agree at the bargaining table.

But ESPN.com reported Thomas agreed to a four-year extension to

return to the Saints.

The uncertainty on Warren's side appears to be his value on the open

market. He had a down year in 2006 after signing a six-year, $36

million contract. But he was playing with painful toe injuries on

both feet, hurting his ability to push off effectively.

Warren frequently has discussed his love for playing in Denver and is

considering all options because the market at defensive tackle is

thin and he perhaps could command another contract with a decent

signing bonus should he be released.

The Broncos figure to save $1.84 million in cap room should they cut

ties with Warren. Talks are expected to continue up to Friday's start

of free-agency.

NO. 2 CLUES:There's a strong chance the Broncos will take a look at

quarterback Jeff Garcia now that he's likely bound for the free-agent

market.

His former team, the Philadelphia Eagles, signed A.J. Feeley to a

four-year contract, which almost certainly spells the end of Garcia's

tenure there. The Broncos would like a veteran hand to help guide new

franchise quarterback Jay Cutler.

The Broncos pushed hard for Garcia two years ago before he signed

with the Lions.

Garcia eventually landed with the Eagles, whom he helped to a 5-1

record as starter last season. With Jake Plummer almost certainly

leaving in a trade or release, Garcia would help fill the leadership

void and give the Broncos a viable option should Cutler get hurt.

Garcia's agent, Steve Baker, wouldn't confirm or deny the Broncos'

interest. But the criteria he laid out for Garcia seem to mesh with

the Broncos' situation.

"There's really a three-part dynamic that we're looking at, and I'm

not ranking them - playing situation, playing environment and

compensation," Baker said. "Under playing situation, you look at

starter versus backup, whether the offensive system fits Jeff, and

you look at the quality of the team. Obviously, Philadelphia didn't

fit all those categories, but it was good enough that he was

seriously considering Philadelphia."

Other possibilities for the Broncos should Garcia head elsewhere are

Cincinnati's Anthony Wright and Miami's Joey Harrington, who is

expected to be released.

TIGHT END SEARCH: Seven teams, including the Broncos, appear ready to

battle for free-agent tight end Daniel Graham of New England, though

the Broncos might have to be creative financially. A cheaper option

could be Jacksonville's Kyle Brady.

 

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I'd love to get Bly. And with Detroit also shopping Hall and Bell, I'd love to get them as well especially with how thin the Broncos are upfront. I don't see how getting rid of their best d-lineman will improve their defense, especially when they can't find anything cheaper in FA as evident by that Bills signing.

 

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Came across this as I was looking for info on Denver's cap situation. It talks about the Dre Bly situation with a bit on Michael Turner at the end.

Q: How will trading Jake Plummer and/or Tatum Bell affect the salary cap? Will it free up any space to sign someone like Dre Bly?A: Not nearly enough at the moment to grab Bly. Bell is scheduled to cost $788,000 against the cap in '07. Plummer costs roughly the same whether they trade him, release him or keep him -- about $8.5 million.They would need a little over $5 million worth of cap space to trade for Dre' Bly. At the beginning of the week, they were in that $2.5 million-$3.5 million range.By league rules, contracts are traded with the player, so unless the Lions help the team they would like to trade Bly to, the new team has to have enough cap room to take Bly's current contract or no deal can be made.The Lions can help a new team by participating in helping a player get a new deal before the trade. But to do that they need enough cap room of their own to do a new deal, and that's often dollars a team would like to spend elsewhere instead of a player they are going to trade or release.A few years ago the Titans and Rams worked out a deal for a first-round pick in exchange for defensive end Kevin Carter. In that deal, the Titans were able to give the Rams a framework for a new deal for Carter to sign before the trade.The Rams had the cap room for the new deal, said yes, Carter signed the deal while still with the Rams and then the trade was made. That's a little tougher to do than just a straight trade, but it can be done.Bly is going to be popular. As we've said, everybody is interested in cover corners these days, especially a team like the Broncos who play their corners "off''' -- back in zone coverage -- much of the time so they don't need the big, physical corners some teams are continually on the hunt for.Bly is a pure cover corner, suited to playing off, and he is strong enough to get up and press when asked. In three seasons with the Lions he has made two Pro Bowls and was an alternate for a third.Personnel executives say Bly didn't play quite as well this season as he did in the previous ones in Detroit. But the Lions struggled mightily on defense this past season so he wasn't the only one.The Broncos can make enough cap room by redoing deals for players like Rod Smith and Kenard Lang as well as some others, so it's possible. It'll just take some work. However, at the moment, the Broncos will likely see if they can secure Chargers running back Michael Turner as free agency opens before they make any other big moves.Turner is a restricted free agent so San Diego gets compensation if they lose him as well as the chance to match any offer Turner receives. If the Chargers tender Turner at first-round compensation, the Broncos would give it a long look, but if the Chargers tender Turner at a first- and third-round compensation, they may choose to simply move on.