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Anderson's final four games may be leaving a lasting impression the brass of the Browns...

Games 1-4

241 yards per game

9 TD's and 5 INT's

Games 5-8

276 yards per game

8 TD's and 4 INT's

Games 9-12

238 yards/game

7 TD's and 4 INT's

Games 13-16

181 yards/game

5 TD's and 6 INT's

 
Anderson's final four games may be leaving a lasting impression the brass of the Browns...

Games 1-4

241 yards per game

9 TD's and 5 INT's

Games 5-8

276 yards per game

8 TD's and 4 INT's

Games 9-12

238 yards/game

7 TD's and 4 INT's

Games 13-16

181 yards/game

5 TD's and 6 INT's
Check the weather out on a couple of those game..it was horrible.
 
If the Browns were smart they'd let someone else sign this guy. He was horrible during the end of the season and looked horrible in the Pro Bowl (no defense). No way is he worth a 1st and a 3rd. The Bengals picked him apart at the end of the season and that's bad. Everyone figured out this guy. He overthrows his recievers a ton and is overrated. Starter no, backup material yes. Let us not forget he was the reason the Browns missed the playoffs...loss to Cinci. OUT

 
If the Browns were smart they'd let someone else sign this guy. He was horrible during the end of the season and looked horrible in the Pro Bowl (no defense). No way is he worth a 1st and a 3rd. The Bengals picked him apart at the end of the season and that's bad. Everyone figured out this guy. He overthrows his recievers a ton and is overrated. Starter no, backup material yes. Let us not forget he was the reason the Browns missed the playoffs...loss to Cinci. OUT
A guy that made the ProBowl in his first year as a starter is backup material? I think I would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Yes he had a bad game against Cincy but the conditions were awful that game. He has the potential to be very good.
 
I live in Cleveland and watched a lot of him. Sorry...he is not going to be the starter in 2008 for Cleveland. Savage is a smart GM and has been increasing his value. Anderson benefited from a team that had drafted many great weapons but FINALLY addressed the O-Line. Once Thomas & Steinbach teamed up and gave Anderson time...the earlr 1st RD drfat picks B Edwards + K Winslow were able to be utilized.

I seen so many bad throws by Anderson...he overthrows WR's a lot...and throws into triple coverage way too often. Quinn will be the starter in 08. I really see the Browns dealing DA...if somehow they don't...DA may start 1 more year and then the browns will deal him.

 
I live in Cleveland and watched a lot of him. Sorry...he is not going to be the starter in 2008 for Cleveland. Savage is a smart GM and has been increasing his value. Anderson benefited from a team that had drafted many great weapons but FINALLY addressed the O-Line. Once Thomas & Steinbach teamed up and gave Anderson time...the earlr 1st RD drfat picks B Edwards + K Winslow were able to be utilized. I seen so many bad throws by Anderson...he overthrows WR's a lot...and throws into triple coverage way too often. Quinn will be the starter in 08. I really see the Browns dealing DA...if somehow they don't...DA may start 1 more year and then the browns will deal him.
As another Browns fan, I agree. If it weren't for Edwards and Winslow making some fantastic plays and an o-line not letting the defense touch him, Anderson's stats would have been terrible.
 
I live in Cleveland and watched a lot of him. Sorry...he is not going to be the starter in 2008 for Cleveland. Savage is a smart GM and has been increasing his value. Anderson benefited from a team that had drafted many great weapons but FINALLY addressed the O-Line. Once Thomas & Steinbach teamed up and gave Anderson time...the earlr 1st RD drfat picks B Edwards + K Winslow were able to be utilized. I seen so many bad throws by Anderson...he overthrows WR's a lot...and throws into triple coverage way too often. Quinn will be the starter in 08. I really see the Browns dealing DA...if somehow they don't...DA may start 1 more year and then the browns will deal him.
As another Browns fan, I agree. If it weren't for Edwards and Winslow making some fantastic plays and an o-line not letting the defense touch him, Anderson's stats would have been terrible.
I agree with you, but hesitate to say so because everyone will jump on me for being a Browns basher. If I were Cleveland, I would use his good season to get as much value as I could for him and turn the reins over to Quinn next year.
 
Anderson's final four games may be leaving a lasting impression the brass of the Browns...

Games 1-4

241 yards per game

9 TD's and 5 INT's

Games 5-8

276 yards per game

8 TD's and 4 INT's

Games 9-12

238 yards/game

7 TD's and 4 INT's

Games 13-16

181 yards/game

5 TD's and 6 INT's
Check the weather out on a couple of those game..it was horrible.
Do you expect the CLE weather in December to be better next season?
 
I live in Cleveland and watched a lot of him. Sorry...he is not going to be the starter in 2008 for Cleveland. Savage is a smart GM and has been increasing his value. Anderson benefited from a team that had drafted many great weapons but FINALLY addressed the O-Line. Once Thomas & Steinbach teamed up and gave Anderson time...the earlr 1st RD drfat picks B Edwards + K Winslow were able to be utilized. I seen so many bad throws by Anderson...he overthrows WR's a lot...and throws into triple coverage way too often. Quinn will be the starter in 08. I really see the Browns dealing DA...if somehow they don't...DA may start 1 more year and then the browns will deal him.
As another Browns fan, I agree. If it weren't for Edwards and Winslow making some fantastic plays and an o-line not letting the defense touch him, Anderson's stats would have been terrible.
I agree with you, but hesitate to say so because everyone will jump on me for being a Browns basher. If I were Cleveland, I would use his good season to get as much value as I could for him and turn the reins over to Quinn next year.
x4... hope someone will pony up a first for him.
 
I live in Cleveland and watched a lot of him. Sorry...he is not going to be the starter in 2008 for Cleveland. Savage is a smart GM and has been increasing his value. Anderson benefited from a team that had drafted many great weapons but FINALLY addressed the O-Line. Once Thomas & Steinbach teamed up and gave Anderson time...the earlr 1st RD drfat picks B Edwards + K Winslow were able to be utilized. I seen so many bad throws by Anderson...he overthrows WR's a lot...and throws into triple coverage way too often. Quinn will be the starter in 08. I really see the Browns dealing DA...if somehow they don't...DA may start 1 more year and then the browns will deal him.
As another Browns fan, I agree. If it weren't for Edwards and Winslow making some fantastic plays and an o-line not letting the defense touch him, Anderson's stats would have been terrible.
but isnt that true of most qbs? Anderson had the browns on the verge of the playoffs, very far from where any other qbs had him. Why not give him another year to see what he can do and then go with quinn if he sucks as you all think.Pro Bowl QB, on the verge of the playoffs in his 1st year starting. Why get rid of him when he can improve? Quinn wouldnt be hurt by waiting another year to start.
 
Agreement won't be reached...

Browns will tender him...

No one will offer him a contract...

DA will go into next year as the starter.

Would shock me if it played out any other way.

 
Agreement won't be reached...Browns will tender him...No one will offer him a contract...DA will go into next year as the starter.Would shock me if it played out any other way.
I think that'll happen as well but what happens next year? I guess it will depend largely on DA's play this year....
 
Anderson had the browns on the verge of the playoffs, very far from where any other qbs had him. Why not give him another year to see what he can do and then go with quinn if he sucks as you all think.

Pro Bowl QB, on the verge of the playoffs in his 1st year starting. Why get rid of him when he can improve? Quinn wouldnt be hurt by waiting another year to start.

Because his value will never be higher. Sell this guy before all GM's find out!!!! :shock:

 
BoltBacker said:
Anderson's final four games may be leaving a lasting impression the brass of the Browns...

Games 1-4

241 yards per game

9 TD's and 5 INT's

Games 5-8

276 yards per game

8 TD's and 4 INT's

Games 9-12

238 yards/game

7 TD's and 4 INT's

Games 13-16

181 yards/game

5 TD's and 6 INT's
Check the weather out on a couple of those game..it was horrible.
Do you expect the CLE weather in December to be better next season?
that was my thought as well. Weather in Cleveland is not kind in December
 
10 for 26 with a pick in a game where they play no defense does not help Anderson's negotiations either. If you look at Anderson's stats at the end of each game or end of season they look good, other than comp %. If you watch Anderson actually play than you realize he is a product of the offense similar to Scott Mitchell yrs ago and he cashed in on a good deal.

 
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I think Jamal Lewis had a little to do with the late season numbers as well..had Jamal on my fantasy and he played very well down the stretch.

Also, they played Buffalo in the snow (wasn't that like 8-0?)

played Cincy in like 30mph winds and they tried 3x to throw the ball inside the 5.

Don't think Jamal had anything to do with the picks.

He looked horrible in the Pro Bowl. Didn't they say DA was familiar with the offense since CLE runs something similar to what SD ran with Cameron?

 
If the Browns were smart they'd let someone else sign this guy. He was horrible during the end of the season and looked horrible in the Pro Bowl (no defense). No way is he worth a 1st and a 3rd. The Bengals picked him apart at the end of the season and that's bad. Everyone figured out this guy. He overthrows his recievers a ton and is overrated. Starter no, backup material yes. Let us not forget he was the reason the Browns missed the playoffs...loss to Cinci. OUT
If the Browns would have kept Frye or started Quinn from the beginning of the season, the Browns wouldn't even be in the situation to make the playoffs. Browns fans seem to be pretty harsh on the guy, even though he did a lot of good things for them.
 
I don't think that DA is the 2nd coming of Marino but there are a lot of people in here ready to throw a 24 YO QB that threw for 29 TDs and close to 4000 Yds on the scrap heap.

 
If the Browns were smart they'd let someone else sign this guy. He was horrible during the end of the season and looked horrible in the Pro Bowl (no defense). No way is he worth a 1st and a 3rd. The Bengals picked him apart at the end of the season and that's bad. Everyone figured out this guy. He overthrows his recievers a ton and is overrated. Starter no, backup material yes. Let us not forget he was the reason the Browns missed the playoffs...loss to Cinci. OUT
If the Browns would have kept Frye or started Quinn from the beginning of the season, the Browns wouldn't even be in the situation to make the playoffs. Browns fans seem to be pretty harsh on the guy, even though he did a lot of good things for them.
You're dead on in regards to Frye, but your Quinn opinion is just that - an opinion. Nothing factual about it, we don't know how the Browns would have done with him under center. To me, when it comes to DA it's about "the eye test" and my eyes tell me he's not a great QB. He misses too way too many throws, throws too many INT's, and for whatever reason takes a half to get rolling in road games. Don't get me wrong, he's a good QB in the right sysytem, but the team's ceiling will be 2007 as long as he's under center. DA's performance did show just how bad Chucky really is though.
 
I think this is a very interesting situation. On one hand DA's trade value should be pretty high so they should certainly be listening to offers. On the other hand Brady Quinn is an unknown commodity and if he struggles next season and DA is gone the Browns are going to look like idiots for letting him go especially after going 10-6 last season.

The Browns can either play it safe by retaining DA for another season or roll the dice on Brady Quinn. It should be fun watching this play out, especially if they deal Anderson.

:shrug:

 
I think this is a very interesting situation. On one hand DA's trade value should be pretty high so they should certainly be listening to offers. On the other hand Brady Quinn is an unknown commodity and if he struggles next season and DA is gone the Browns are going to look like idiots for letting him go especially after going 10-6 last season.
They'll only look like idiots if DA goes somewhere and maintains his current rate AND Quinn proves to be a bust. If Quinn flops but so does DA elsewhere the Browns would not look dumb for dealing DA.
 
Why don't they tender him? Have an open competition in camp. Name your starter and ride him into the playoffs (hopefully). In this situation, the Browns MAY have one of the best overall QB situations in the league.

DA wins then you are most likely pleased that DA is not a one-year-wonder and you still have the kid with one more year of holding the clipboard. DA's value is higher in the off-season and you trade him or sign him and shop Quinn around (or keep him).

BQ wins then you have an "experienced" back-up that can come in should an injury occur or to mop up.

Cleveland has the space and the time...I think. What is BE and KW contract situations? I know KW wants some more, but when do their contracts expire?

 
I live in Cleveland and watched a lot of him. Sorry...he is not going to be the starter in 2008 for Cleveland. Savage is a smart GM and has been increasing his value. Anderson benefited from a team that had drafted many great weapons but FINALLY addressed the O-Line. Once Thomas & Steinbach teamed up and gave Anderson time...the earlr 1st RD drfat picks B Edwards + K Winslow were able to be utilized. I seen so many bad throws by Anderson...he overthrows WR's a lot...and throws into triple coverage way too often. Quinn will be the starter in 08. I really see the Browns dealing DA...if somehow they don't...DA may start 1 more year and then the browns will deal him.
As another Browns fan, I agree. If it weren't for Edwards and Winslow making some fantastic plays and an o-line not letting the defense touch him, Anderson's stats would have been terrible.
I agree with you, but hesitate to say so because everyone will jump on me for being a Browns basher. If I were Cleveland, I would use his good season to get as much value as I could for him and turn the reins over to Quinn next year.
:thumbup: Get while the gettings good.
 
thelongsnapper said:
Why don't they tender him? Have an open competition in camp. Name your starter and ride him into the playoffs (hopefully). In this situation, the Browns MAY have one of the best overall QB situations in the league.

DA wins then you are most likely pleased that DA is not a one-year-wonder and you still have the kid with one more year of holding the clipboard. DA's value is higher in the off-season and you trade him or sign him and shop Quinn around (or keep him).

BQ wins then you have an "experienced" back-up that can come in should an injury occur or to mop up.

Cleveland has the space and the time...I think. What is BE and KW contract situations? I know KW wants some more, but when do their contracts expire?
There will not be an open competition. Savage and Romeo have already made it clear that DA will be the starter in 08 [assuming he's on the team].Those in the sell DA camp believe he is not the real deal, that's the point. If you think DA has it than tendering the RFA and re-evaluating him from there is likely the correct curse of action. I believe we should tender him, I just hope someone comes along and makes him an offer so we can get their 1st and 3rd because I do not think he is the real deal; he's average. He's better than Scott Mitchell, but we won't be winning any titles with him under center.

Winslow is wrapped up for three more years, Braylon for at least two I think three [am unsure if either have incentive based opt out clauses though]. Personally, I hope we don't re-sign Winslow, Braylon should be a priority though.

 
Pretty sure Cleveland will sign him but would love to see him in Minnesota. Much better O Line and a real run threat.

 
If the Browns were smart they'd let someone else sign this guy. He was horrible during the end of the season and looked horrible in the Pro Bowl (no defense). No way is he worth a 1st and a 3rd. The Bengals picked him apart at the end of the season and that's bad. Everyone figured out this guy. He overthrows his recievers a ton and is overrated. Starter no, backup material yes. Let us not forget he was the reason the Browns missed the playoffs...loss to Cinci. OUT
If the Browns would have kept Frye or started Quinn from the beginning of the season, the Browns wouldn't even be in the situation to make the playoffs. Browns fans seem to be pretty harsh on the guy, even though he did a lot of good things for them.
You're dead on in regards to Frye, but your Quinn opinion is just that - an opinion. Nothing factual about it, we don't know how the Browns would have done with him under center. To me, when it comes to DA it's about "the eye test" and my eyes tell me he's not a great QB. He misses too way too many throws, throws too many INT's, and for whatever reason takes a half to get rolling in road games. Don't get me wrong, he's a good QB in the right sysytem, but the team's ceiling will be 2007 as long as he's under center. DA's performance did show just how bad Chucky really is though.
I was stating an opinion on Frye that you had no trouble with agreeing upon, but you got a problem with Quinn? I doubt that this past season is DA's ceiling, not many QBs play their best football when they are only 24 years old. DA can definitely improve on last year.
 
Pretty sure Cleveland will sign him but would love to see him in Minnesota. Much better O Line and a real run threat.
Joe Thomas, rookie OLT in the Pro Bowl. Eric Stienback, played lights out last year. Hank Fraly is playing solid and made the Pro Bowl when he played for the Iggles. Ryan Tucker has been solid. Per, Vikings REAL run threat hinting the Browns lack of running game. Jamal Lewis ran for most yards by ANY Cleveland Brown not named Jim Brown in 07 and he didn't play all year long. He improved when his health improved and teams began game planning to stop the Browns passing game, i.e., Derrick Anderson and co which opened things up for him. He never had that in Baltimore.

But check out that Viking running game again and specifically uber rookie RB AP who ran for less than 150 COMBINED in his last four games of last year when teams discounted the Vikings QB and keyed on AP. The lack of any QB threat lead to AP's injury and the stacked boxes he faced down the stretch. If the Vikes don't do anything at QB then who knows what they will get out of AP, or Sidney Rice, or the rest of that offense for that matter.

If the Browns can't sign DA then it wouldn't shock me to see KC or Chicago or even Altlanta make a play for him and I would imagine Tampa Bay would love to get their hands on him for a late first round pick.

Anderson, Winslow join Cleveland Browns contingent in the Pro Bowl

The last Browns quarterback named to the Pro Bowl was Bernie Kosar after the 1987 season ...

Anderson was 10-5 as a starter and completed 298-of-527 passes for 3,787 yards, with 29 touchdowns, 19 interceptions and an 82.5 quarterback rating. He finished the season tied for second in franchise history with 29 passing touchdowns, fifth in attempts (527), fifth in passing yards (3,787) and sixth in completions (298).
Similarity index for young QBs. Go to the link for the full story.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=467

Similarity Scores for New 2007 Quarterbacks

Posted by JKL on Tuesday, January 29, 2008

Several new quarterbacks started for the first time in 2007. Derek Anderson, ...

... examine the new 2007 quarterbacks to see what history says about their futures. ...

... Here, we will take a look at all the quarterbacks who have played since 1978, to find the most comparable seasons for each of these new quarterbacks.

... The similarity lists hint at which underlying performance stats are most important for predicting future performance. If you were to guess before seeing the lists, what do you think is most important? One of the categories has, from what I am seeing, almost no predictive value, once you know how the player performed in the other categories.

That category is interception %. A young quarterback with an above average interception % who performs reasonably well in other areas is not necessarily a bad thing for the future. Above average performances in touchdown %, completion % or yards per attempt seem to be positive indicators; a poor performance in these categories is not a good sign...

DEREK ANDERSON [AGE 24, 527 ATT, 56.5% COMP, 7.2 YPA, 5.5% TD, 3.6% INT]

player year age sim score

================================================

1 Dan Marino 1985 24 852

2 Drew Bledsoe 1997 25 718

3 Randall Cunningham 1987 24 701+

4 Aaron Brooks 2001 25 674

5 Jim Everett 1988 25 672

6 John Elway 1984 24 668+

7 Michael Vick 2004 24 661

8 Jim Zorn 1979 26 657

9 Don Majkowski 1989 25 650

10 Eli Manning 2005 24 635+

11 Jeff Blake 1995 25 634

12 Timm Rosenbach 1990 24 632+

13 Jake Plummer 1998 24 609+

14 Chris Miller 1990 25 606

15 Peyton Manning 2000 24 603

================================================

... Anderson is 4th all time for td’s in a single season by a player age 24 or under, trailing only seasons from Marino, Manning and Culpepper. The only others to throw even 25 td passes in a season by age 24 are Esiason, Namath, and Bledsoe.
6'6, 230 lbs, rocket arm, second highest single season TD numbers and ten wins in only 15 starts, Pro Bowler, and the fourth highest single season TD numbers in NFL history for a QB of his age. The similarity study suggests a very high ceiling for Dereck Anderson.
 
Bracie Smathers said:
kbleck said:
Pretty sure Cleveland will sign him but would love to see him in Minnesota. Much better O Line and a real run threat.
Joe Thomas, rookie OLT in the Pro Bowl. Eric Stienback, played lights out last year. Hank Fraly is playing solid and made the Pro Bowl when he played for the Iggles. Ryan Tucker has been solid. Per, Vikings REAL run threat hinting the Browns lack of running game. Jamal Lewis ran for most yards by ANY Cleveland Brown not named Jim Brown in 07 and he didn't play all year long. He improved when his health improved and teams began game planning to stop the Browns passing game, i.e., Derrick Anderson and co which opened things up for him. He never had that in Baltimore.

But check out that Viking running game again and specifically uber rookie RB AP who ran for less than 150 COMBINED in his last four games of last year when teams discounted the Vikings QB and keyed on AP. The lack of any QB threat lead to AP's injury and the stacked boxes he faced down the stretch. If the Vikes don't do anything at QB then who knows what they will get out of AP, or Sidney Rice, or the rest of that offense for that matter.

If the Browns can't sign DA then it wouldn't shock me to see KC or Chicago or even Altlanta make a play for him and I would imagine Tampa Bay would love to get their hands on him for a late first round pick.

Anderson, Winslow join Cleveland Browns contingent in the Pro Bowl

The last Browns quarterback named to the Pro Bowl was Bernie Kosar after the 1987 season ...

Anderson was 10-5 as a starter and completed 298-of-527 passes for 3,787 yards, with 29 touchdowns, 19 interceptions and an 82.5 quarterback rating. He finished the season tied for second in franchise history with 29 passing touchdowns, fifth in attempts (527), fifth in passing yards (3,787) and sixth in completions (298).
Similarity index for young QBs. Go to the link for the full story.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=467

Similarity Scores for New 2007 Quarterbacks

Posted by JKL on Tuesday, January 29, 2008

Several new quarterbacks started for the first time in 2007. Derek Anderson, ...

... examine the new 2007 quarterbacks to see what history says about their futures. ...

... Here, we will take a look at all the quarterbacks who have played since 1978, to find the most comparable seasons for each of these new quarterbacks.

... The similarity lists hint at which underlying performance stats are most important for predicting future performance. If you were to guess before seeing the lists, what do you think is most important? One of the categories has, from what I am seeing, almost no predictive value, once you know how the player performed in the other categories.

That category is interception %. A young quarterback with an above average interception % who performs reasonably well in other areas is not necessarily a bad thing for the future. Above average performances in touchdown %, completion % or yards per attempt seem to be positive indicators; a poor performance in these categories is not a good sign...

DEREK ANDERSON [AGE 24, 527 ATT, 56.5% COMP, 7.2 YPA, 5.5% TD, 3.6% INT]

player year age sim score

================================================

1 Dan Marino 1985 24 852

2 Drew Bledsoe 1997 25 718

3 Randall Cunningham 1987 24 701+

4 Aaron Brooks 2001 25 674

5 Jim Everett 1988 25 672

6 John Elway 1984 24 668+

7 Michael Vick 2004 24 661

8 Jim Zorn 1979 26 657

9 Don Majkowski 1989 25 650

10 Eli Manning 2005 24 635+

11 Jeff Blake 1995 25 634

12 Timm Rosenbach 1990 24 632+

13 Jake Plummer 1998 24 609+

14 Chris Miller 1990 25 606

15 Peyton Manning 2000 24 603

================================================

... Anderson is 4th all time for td’s in a single season by a player age 24 or under, trailing only seasons from Marino, Manning and Culpepper. The only others to throw even 25 td passes in a season by age 24 are Esiason, Namath, and Bledsoe.
6'6, 230 lbs, rocket arm, second highest single season TD numbers and ten wins in only 15 starts, Pro Bowler, and the fourth highest single season TD numbers in NFL history for a QB of his age. The similarity study suggests a very high ceiling for Dereck Anderson.
I see more similarity in him and who he is replacing at number 4 (Aaron Brooks).
 
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Bracie Smathers said:
kbleck said:
Pretty sure Cleveland will sign him but would love to see him in Minnesota. Much better O Line and a real run threat.
Joe Thomas, rookie OLT in the Pro Bowl. Eric Stienback, played lights out last year. Hank Fraly is playing solid and made the Pro Bowl when he played for the Iggles. Ryan Tucker has been solid. Per, Vikings REAL run threat hinting the Browns lack of running game. Jamal Lewis ran for most yards by ANY Cleveland Brown not named Jim Brown in 07 and he didn't play all year long. He improved when his health improved and teams began game planning to stop the Browns passing game, i.e., Derrick Anderson and co which opened things up for him. He never had that in Baltimore.

But check out that Viking running game again and specifically uber rookie RB AP who ran for less than 150 COMBINED in his last four games of last year when teams discounted the Vikings QB and keyed on AP. The lack of any QB threat lead to AP's injury and the stacked boxes he faced down the stretch. If the Vikes don't do anything at QB then who knows what they will get out of AP, or Sidney Rice, or the rest of that offense for that matter.

If the Browns can't sign DA then it wouldn't shock me to see KC or Chicago or even Altlanta make a play for him and I would imagine Tampa Bay would love to get their hands on him for a late first round pick.

Anderson, Winslow join Cleveland Browns contingent in the Pro Bowl

The last Browns quarterback named to the Pro Bowl was Bernie Kosar after the 1987 season ...

Anderson was 10-5 as a starter and completed 298-of-527 passes for 3,787 yards, with 29 touchdowns, 19 interceptions and an 82.5 quarterback rating. He finished the season tied for second in franchise history with 29 passing touchdowns, fifth in attempts (527), fifth in passing yards (3,787) and sixth in completions (298).
Similarity index for young QBs. Go to the link for the full story.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=467

Similarity Scores for New 2007 Quarterbacks

Posted by JKL on Tuesday, January 29, 2008

Several new quarterbacks started for the first time in 2007. Derek Anderson, ...

... examine the new 2007 quarterbacks to see what history says about their futures. ...

... Here, we will take a look at all the quarterbacks who have played since 1978, to find the most comparable seasons for each of these new quarterbacks.

... The similarity lists hint at which underlying performance stats are most important for predicting future performance. If you were to guess before seeing the lists, what do you think is most important? One of the categories has, from what I am seeing, almost no predictive value, once you know how the player performed in the other categories.

That category is interception %. A young quarterback with an above average interception % who performs reasonably well in other areas is not necessarily a bad thing for the future. Above average performances in touchdown %, completion % or yards per attempt seem to be positive indicators; a poor performance in these categories is not a good sign...

DEREK ANDERSON [AGE 24, 527 ATT, 56.5% COMP, 7.2 YPA, 5.5% TD, 3.6% INT]

player year age sim score

================================================

1 Dan Marino 1985 24 852

2 Drew Bledsoe 1997 25 718

3 Randall Cunningham 1987 24 701+

4 Aaron Brooks 2001 25 674

5 Jim Everett 1988 25 672

6 John Elway 1984 24 668+

7 Michael Vick 2004 24 661

8 Jim Zorn 1979 26 657

9 Don Majkowski 1989 25 650

10 Eli Manning 2005 24 635+

11 Jeff Blake 1995 25 634

12 Timm Rosenbach 1990 24 632+

13 Jake Plummer 1998 24 609+

14 Chris Miller 1990 25 606

15 Peyton Manning 2000 24 603

================================================

... Anderson is 4th all time for td’s in a single season by a player age 24 or under, trailing only seasons from Marino, Manning and Culpepper. The only others to throw even 25 td passes in a season by age 24 are Esiason, Namath, and Bledsoe.
6'6, 230 lbs, rocket arm, second highest single season TD numbers and ten wins in only 15 starts, Pro Bowler, and the fourth highest single season TD numbers in NFL history for a QB of his age. The similarity study suggests a very high ceiling for Dereck Anderson.
I see more similarity in him and who he is replacing at number 4 (Aaron Brooks).
If you went to the story the score next to each name is based on the similarity formula, its not the opinion of the person who came up with the formula. So the top three names have the highest similarity index and DA's similarity index was the best/highest of any QB from last year's young starter class. So what of DA reminds you of Aaron Brooks? You do know know Brooks was a running QB, correct? Aaron Brooks became the first New Orleans QB in Saint history to win a post season game which would be the equivolent of Derek Anderson becoming the first Browns QB to surpass previous Brown's QBs and win the AFC Championship game and get to the Super Bowl.

Boy that would suck for Cleveland fans eh?

 
Bracie Smathers said:
kbleck said:
Pretty sure Cleveland will sign him but would love to see him in Minnesota. Much better O Line and a real run threat.
Joe Thomas, rookie OLT in the Pro Bowl. Eric Stienback, played lights out last year. Hank Fraly is playing solid and made the Pro Bowl when he played for the Iggles. Ryan Tucker has been solid. Per, Vikings REAL run threat hinting the Browns lack of running game. Jamal Lewis ran for most yards by ANY Cleveland Brown not named Jim Brown in 07 and he didn't play all year long. He improved when his health improved and teams began game planning to stop the Browns passing game, i.e., Derrick Anderson and co which opened things up for him. He never had that in Baltimore.

But check out that Viking running game again and specifically uber rookie RB AP who ran for less than 150 COMBINED in his last four games of last year when teams discounted the Vikings QB and keyed on AP. The lack of any QB threat lead to AP's injury and the stacked boxes he faced down the stretch. If the Vikes don't do anything at QB then who knows what they will get out of AP, or Sidney Rice, or the rest of that offense for that matter.

If the Browns can't sign DA then it wouldn't shock me to see KC or Chicago or even Altlanta make a play for him and I would imagine Tampa Bay would love to get their hands on him for a late first round pick.

Anderson, Winslow join Cleveland Browns contingent in the Pro Bowl

The last Browns quarterback named to the Pro Bowl was Bernie Kosar after the 1987 season ...

Anderson was 10-5 as a starter and completed 298-of-527 passes for 3,787 yards, with 29 touchdowns, 19 interceptions and an 82.5 quarterback rating. He finished the season tied for second in franchise history with 29 passing touchdowns, fifth in attempts (527), fifth in passing yards (3,787) and sixth in completions (298).
Similarity index for young QBs. Go to the link for the full story.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=467

Similarity Scores for New 2007 Quarterbacks

Posted by JKL on Tuesday, January 29, 2008

Several new quarterbacks started for the first time in 2007. Derek Anderson, ...

... examine the new 2007 quarterbacks to see what history says about their futures. ...

... Here, we will take a look at all the quarterbacks who have played since 1978, to find the most comparable seasons for each of these new quarterbacks.

... The similarity lists hint at which underlying performance stats are most important for predicting future performance. If you were to guess before seeing the lists, what do you think is most important? One of the categories has, from what I am seeing, almost no predictive value, once you know how the player performed in the other categories.

That category is interception %. A young quarterback with an above average interception % who performs reasonably well in other areas is not necessarily a bad thing for the future. Above average performances in touchdown %, completion % or yards per attempt seem to be positive indicators; a poor performance in these categories is not a good sign...

DEREK ANDERSON [AGE 24, 527 ATT, 56.5% COMP, 7.2 YPA, 5.5% TD, 3.6% INT]

player year age sim score

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1 Dan Marino 1985 24 852

2 Drew Bledsoe 1997 25 718

3 Randall Cunningham 1987 24 701+

4 Aaron Brooks 2001 25 674

5 Jim Everett 1988 25 672

6 John Elway 1984 24 668+

7 Michael Vick 2004 24 661

8 Jim Zorn 1979 26 657

9 Don Majkowski 1989 25 650

10 Eli Manning 2005 24 635+

11 Jeff Blake 1995 25 634

12 Timm Rosenbach 1990 24 632+

13 Jake Plummer 1998 24 609+

14 Chris Miller 1990 25 606

15 Peyton Manning 2000 24 603

================================================

... Anderson is 4th all time for td’s in a single season by a player age 24 or under, trailing only seasons from Marino, Manning and Culpepper. The only others to throw even 25 td passes in a season by age 24 are Esiason, Namath, and Bledsoe.
6'6, 230 lbs, rocket arm, second highest single season TD numbers and ten wins in only 15 starts, Pro Bowler, and the fourth highest single season TD numbers in NFL history for a QB of his age. The similarity study suggests a very high ceiling for Dereck Anderson.
I see more similarity in him and who he is replacing at number 4 (Aaron Brooks).
If you went to the story the score next to each name is based on the similarity formula, its not the opinion of the person who came up with the formula. So the top three names have the highest similarity index and DA's similarity index was the best/highest of any QB from last year's young starter class. So what of DA reminds you of Aaron Brooks? You do know know Brooks was a running QB, correct? Aaron Brooks became the first New Orleans QB in Saint history to win a post season game which would be the equivolent of Derek Anderson becoming the first Browns QB to surpass previous Brown's QBs and win the AFC Championship game and get to the Super Bowl.

Boy that would suck for Cleveland fans eh?
Yes, I do know all of that. Except for the running QB part, DA and Brooks have alot in common. Both threw for a completion % of 55% or so, Brooks did it his whole career and I expect by watching DA that he is an inaccurate passer as well. Have also heard many reports from Browns homers that DA is inaccurate. Brooks threw alot of interceptions due to his inaccuracy, and I expect DA to do the same. Brooks was a mediocre QB at best, that probably only lasted as long as he did because he got the Saints their first post season win. I'm not 100% positive on this, but the Saints had more losing season with him than they had winning seasons, which is why he was released. In a nutshell, I think DA had a career year like most of the posters here. He is a mediocre QB, nothing spectacular imo. Something can be said for his last few games in bad weather, but doing so horrible in the Pro Bowl when most put up great numbers? I'd trade high on him if I were Cleveland...

 
Bracie Smathers said:
kbleck said:
Pretty sure Cleveland will sign him but would love to see him in Minnesota. Much better O Line and a real run threat.
Joe Thomas, rookie OLT in the Pro Bowl. Eric Stienback, played lights out last year. Hank Fraly is playing solid and made the Pro Bowl when he played for the Iggles. Ryan Tucker has been solid. Per, Vikings REAL run threat hinting the Browns lack of running game. Jamal Lewis ran for most yards by ANY Cleveland Brown not named Jim Brown in 07 and he didn't play all year long. He improved when his health improved and teams began game planning to stop the Browns passing game, i.e., Derrick Anderson and co which opened things up for him. He never had that in Baltimore.

But check out that Viking running game again and specifically uber rookie RB AP who ran for less than 150 COMBINED in his last four games of last year when teams discounted the Vikings QB and keyed on AP. The lack of any QB threat lead to AP's injury and the stacked boxes he faced down the stretch. If the Vikes don't do anything at QB then who knows what they will get out of AP, or Sidney Rice, or the rest of that offense for that matter.

If the Browns can't sign DA then it wouldn't shock me to see KC or Chicago or even Altlanta make a play for him and I would imagine Tampa Bay would love to get their hands on him for a late first round pick.

Anderson, Winslow join Cleveland Browns contingent in the Pro Bowl

The last Browns quarterback named to the Pro Bowl was Bernie Kosar after the 1987 season ...

Anderson was 10-5 as a starter and completed 298-of-527 passes for 3,787 yards, with 29 touchdowns, 19 interceptions and an 82.5 quarterback rating. He finished the season tied for second in franchise history with 29 passing touchdowns, fifth in attempts (527), fifth in passing yards (3,787) and sixth in completions (298).
Similarity index for young QBs. Go to the link for the full story.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=467

Similarity Scores for New 2007 Quarterbacks

Posted by JKL on Tuesday, January 29, 2008

Several new quarterbacks started for the first time in 2007. Derek Anderson, ...

... examine the new 2007 quarterbacks to see what history says about their futures. ...

... Here, we will take a look at all the quarterbacks who have played since 1978, to find the most comparable seasons for each of these new quarterbacks.

... The similarity lists hint at which underlying performance stats are most important for predicting future performance. If you were to guess before seeing the lists, what do you think is most important? One of the categories has, from what I am seeing, almost no predictive value, once you know how the player performed in the other categories.

That category is interception %. A young quarterback with an above average interception % who performs reasonably well in other areas is not necessarily a bad thing for the future. Above average performances in touchdown %, completion % or yards per attempt seem to be positive indicators; a poor performance in these categories is not a good sign...

DEREK ANDERSON [AGE 24, 527 ATT, 56.5% COMP, 7.2 YPA, 5.5% TD, 3.6% INT]

player year age sim score

================================================

1 Dan Marino 1985 24 852

2 Drew Bledsoe 1997 25 718

3 Randall Cunningham 1987 24 701+

4 Aaron Brooks 2001 25 674

5 Jim Everett 1988 25 672

6 John Elway 1984 24 668+

7 Michael Vick 2004 24 661

8 Jim Zorn 1979 26 657

9 Don Majkowski 1989 25 650

10 Eli Manning 2005 24 635+

11 Jeff Blake 1995 25 634

12 Timm Rosenbach 1990 24 632+

13 Jake Plummer 1998 24 609+

14 Chris Miller 1990 25 606

15 Peyton Manning 2000 24 603

================================================

... Anderson is 4th all time for td’s in a single season by a player age 24 or under, trailing only seasons from Marino, Manning and Culpepper. The only others to throw even 25 td passes in a season by age 24 are Esiason, Namath, and Bledsoe.
6'6, 230 lbs, rocket arm, second highest single season TD numbers and ten wins in only 15 starts, Pro Bowler, and the fourth highest single season TD numbers in NFL history for a QB of his age. The similarity study suggests a very high ceiling for Dereck Anderson.
I see more similarity in him and who he is replacing at number 4 (Aaron Brooks).
If you went to the story the score next to each name is based on the similarity formula, its not the opinion of the person who came up with the formula. So the top three names have the highest similarity index and DA's similarity index was the best/highest of any QB from last year's young starter class. So what of DA reminds you of Aaron Brooks? You do know know Brooks was a running QB, correct? Aaron Brooks became the first New Orleans QB in Saint history to win a post season game which would be the equivolent of Derek Anderson becoming the first Browns QB to surpass previous Brown's QBs and win the AFC Championship game and get to the Super Bowl.

Boy that would suck for Cleveland fans eh?
Yes, I do know all of that. Except for the running QB part, DA and Brooks have alot in common. Both threw for a completion % of 55% or so, Brooks did it his whole career and I expect by watching DA that he is an inaccurate passer as well. Have also heard many reports from Browns homers that DA is inaccurate. Brooks threw alot of interceptions due to his inaccuracy, and I expect DA to do the same. Brooks was a mediocre QB at best, that probably only lasted as long as he did because he got the Saints their first post season win. I'm not 100% positive on this, but the Saints had more losing season with him than they had winning seasons, which is why he was released. In a nutshell, I think DA had a career year like most of the posters here. He is a mediocre QB, nothing spectacular imo. Something can be said for his last few games in bad weather, but doing so horrible in the Pro Bowl when most put up great numbers? I'd trade high on him if I were Cleveland...
i cant speak for anyone elses league, but in 2 of my leagues that i have DA it is really hard to trade him, and the offers i got were not of value. So i would guess that the value move is to actually keep him.
 
In the similarity story.

... what do you think is most important? One of the categories has, from what I am seeing, almost no predictive value, once you know how the player performed in the other categories.

That category is interception %. A young quarterback with an above average interception % who performs reasonably well in other areas is not necessarily a bad thing for the future. Above average performances in touchdown %, completion % or yards per attempt seem to be positive indicators; a poor performance in these categories is not a good sign...

Yes, I do know all of that. Except for the running QB part, DA and Brooks have alot in common. Both threw for a completion % of 55% or so, Brooks did it his whole career and I expect by watching DA that he is an inaccurate passer as well. Have also heard many reports from Browns homers that DA is inaccurate. Brooks threw alot of interceptions due to his inaccuracy, and I expect DA to do the same. Brooks was a mediocre QB at best, that probably only lasted as long as he did because he got the Saints their first post season win. I'm not 100% positive on this, but the Saints had more losing season with him than they had winning seasons, which is why he was released.

In a nutshell, I think DA had a career year like most of the posters here. He is a mediocre QB, nothing spectacular imo. Something can be said for his last few games in bad weather, but doing so horrible in the Pro Bowl when most put up great numbers? I'd trade high on him if I were Cleveland...
I mentioned Brooks was a running QB for a reason.A running QB like Brooks tends to not complete a high percentage of their passes and Brooks was considered a running QB, here are his career rushing stats.

Career rushing attempts 362

Career rushing yards 1534

Average running yards per game 16.5

Average per rush 4.2

Rushing TDs 13

Brooks completed 56.5% of his passes over 7 years but never threw for more than 27 TD passes in ANY season. DA 29 TDs in only 15 starts.

Running QBs tend to have poor completion percentages and not increase their completion percentages over time because when the pocket breaks down their aren't stepping up in the pocket patiently looking for things to open up, they are stepping up and tucking the ball in to run. See Mike Vick and other QBs who never made the transition from running QB.

Eli Manning never hit 60% completion in his first years but he was able to break thru and last year and won the SB. Elway and others took time before they increased their completion percentages but its very VERY rare for a QB in their first year to have such high TDs and such high average per attempt/completion ratios and that bodes well for Derek Anderson. The similiarity score reflects his long term potential.

DA has room to improve and I think its a slam dunk that he increases his completion percentage over time. He is in a verticle passing attack with Chudzinski and he's proven that he can be effective in a verticle passing attack. Aaron Brooks was in WC systems with the Pack but I don't know what he was running in New Orleans. A WC is built on using shorter routes to spread the field laterally and use as a psuedo rushing attack so a high completion percentage is of more importance in that sort of system rather than in a verticle attack where receivers run longer routes and the completion percentages are lower for longer routes for all QBs. IOWs its easier to complete dump offs and short slants than deep outs or skinny posts. DA can nail tight windows and run a verticle attack and if he's posting huge TD and average per completion ratios then I wouldn't sweat the low completion ratio coming off his first year as a starter in a verticle attack.

 
i think DA proved he didn't belong in the ProBowl with his play there.

his value took a hit with that appearance. they need to get what they can for him, because he wont' be happy playing the backup in Cleveland.

 
i think DA proved he didn't belong in the ProBowl with his play there.

his value took a hit with that appearance. they need to get what they can for him, because he wont' be happy playing the backup in Cleveland.
If he remains in Cleveland he's the opening day starter. Savage and Romeo have already made that clear.
 
i think DA proved he didn't belong in the ProBowl with his play there.

his value took a hit with that appearance. they need to get what they can for him, because he wont' be happy playing the backup in Cleveland.
If he remains in Cleveland he's the opening day starter. Savage and Romeo have already made that clear.
yes, most teams name their starter in January. didn't have anything to do with trying to trade him.
 
amnesiac said:
i think DA proved he didn't belong in the ProBowl with his play there.his value took a hit with that appearance. they need to get what they can for him, because he wont' be happy playing the backup in Cleveland.
This is stupid logic. Anyone looking seriously at making Anderson their starter will review all of his game film from this past season as oppose to a pro bowl game that meant nothing. If Anderson stays put he will be starting for the Browns next season. Unless his play faulters dramtically which I assume it would not then he won't be replaced by Quinn unless injured. He has earned the right to be starting with the Browns and will be doing so if he is not traded. This has the makings of the Brees vs Rivers situation. In the end both QB's have turned out to be legitimate starters.
 
amnesiac said:
MAC_32 said:
amnesiac said:
i think DA proved he didn't belong in the ProBowl with his play there.

his value took a hit with that appearance. they need to get what they can for him, because he wont' be happy playing the backup in Cleveland.
If he remains in Cleveland he's the opening day starter. Savage and Romeo have already made that clear.
yes, most teams name their starter in January. didn't have anything to do with trying to trade him.
:lol: Savage and Romeo have gone on record saying DA is the opening day starter [assuming he's on the team]. That has nothing to do with trading him, I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
i think DA proved he didn't belong in the ProBowl with his play there.

his value took a hit with that appearance. they need to get what they can for him, because he wont' be happy playing the backup in Cleveland.
If he remains in Cleveland he's the opening day starter. Savage and Romeo have already made that clear.
yes, most teams name their starter in January. didn't have anything to do with trying to trade him.
:hijacked: Savage and Romeo have gone on record saying DA is the opening day starter [assuming he's on the team]. That has nothing to do with trading him, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Well you have to admit that it does not drive up Anderson's trade value if the Browns declare that Anderson is not guaranteed the starting qb gig and there will be an open competition for the job.
 
i think DA proved he didn't belong in the ProBowl with his play there.

his value took a hit with that appearance. they need to get what they can for him, because he wont' be happy playing the backup in Cleveland.
If he remains in Cleveland he's the opening day starter. Savage and Romeo have already made that clear.
yes, most teams name their starter in January. didn't have anything to do with trying to trade him.
:confused: Savage and Romeo have gone on record saying DA is the opening day starter [assuming he's on the team]. That has nothing to do with trading him, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Well you have to admit that it does not drive up Anderson's trade value if the Browns declare that Anderson is not guaranteed the starting qb gig and there will be an open competition for the job.
and the coaching staff + front office would be buried if they said all along DA was the starter and then pulled a 180 at the last minute. They would have to be exactly right to get away with it, like Del Rio was in Jax this year. If they miss the playoffs with Garrard under center Jax likely has a new coach in 09. Is the risk worth it? Especially with the Browns having such a harder schedule looming in 09 than they did in 08.
 
i think DA proved he didn't belong in the ProBowl with his play there.

his value took a hit with that appearance. they need to get what they can for him, because he wont' be happy playing the backup in Cleveland.
If he remains in Cleveland he's the opening day starter. Savage and Romeo have already made that clear.
yes, most teams name their starter in January. didn't have anything to do with trying to trade him.
:ph34r: Savage and Romeo have gone on record saying DA is the opening day starter [assuming he's on the team]. That has nothing to do with trading him, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Well you have to admit that it does not drive up Anderson's trade value if the Browns declare that Anderson is not guaranteed the starting qb gig and there will be an open competition for the job.
and the coaching staff + front office would be buried if they said all along DA was the starter and then pulled a 180 at the last minute. They would have to be exactly right to get away with it, like Del Rio was in Jax this year. If they miss the playoffs with Garrard under center Jax likely has a new coach in 09. Is the risk worth it? Especially with the Browns having such a harder schedule looming in 09 than they did in 08.
All the Browns would have to publicly say at the start of training camp is that Quinn has made huge strides in offseason and minicamps and now he is pushing Anderson for the starter's position.
 
NFL Draft Countdown's Scott Wright yesterday said he thought the Ravens should try to snag DA. He feels the Ravens still have a viable core of talent to contend and only need average QB play to push them over the top. He also doesn't think their is a chance that Matt Ryan falls to the 8th pick where Baltimore drafts and sees Brohm a major reach at that spot. He acknowledges the PR hit of the former Raven being re-acquired would cause but feels it would be worth it. He also doesn't think DA will repeat his break-out stats but that he has proven himself.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/blog/wrightstuff.html

February 14th, 2008

• Baltimore needs to trade for Derek Anderson.

With an aging defense the Ravens are clearly a team built to win now and their window is closing fast. Despite that 5-11 record in 2007 Baltimore really isn't that bad of a team and with even average play from the quarterback position they would be legitimate playoff contenders. It is pretty clear that there is no chance of Boston College's Matt Ryan falling into their laps at #8 overall so why reach for a guy like Brian Brohm when for about the same money contract-wise you can get a semi-proven commodity? Now Donovan McNabb would do the trick too but I think Anderson would be a better fit for Baltimore because he is much younger. The ironic thing here is that Anderson was once property of the Ravens (they selected him in the 6th round of the 2005 NFL Draft) but they released him. From a public relations standpoint it won't look good to trade a package of valuable draft picks for a guy you just gave away for nothing a couple of years ago but they can't let that enter their thought process. They need to just bite the bullet and do it. I am not sold on Anderson repeating the fantastic season he just had which is why I think it's in Cleveland's best interests to strike while the iron is hot and deal him now but at the same time you do not get many chances to land a 24-year-old starting quarterback coming off a Pro Bowl season so if I am the Ravens I'll take that risk. I wouldn't give up that Top 10 pick for him but a package similar to what the Texans gave Atlanta for Matt Schaub last year (two 2nd round picks and change) sounds realistic and fair for both sides. It's time to get it done Ravens!
I think DA will improve his overall game and specifically he's going to up his completion percentage which seems to be the main reason that people are down on him. His TD and average completion stats were off the charts as was his winning percentage for his first year starting on a team which hadn't ever won ten games since it returned to the league. What Wright suggests seems improbable. I don't think he is aware of how Phil Savage has seemed to take Baltimore to the cleaners in the recent past. In 05 Phil made a play for Chester Taylor which forced Baltimore to re-sign him to a much higher contract than he was getting. That year he snagged DA off of their practice squad and signed CB Gary Baxter. Then in 06 he faked out Ozzie Newsome and made Oz pay a sixth round pick to move up one slot in the first round to secure the Ravens getting Haloti Ngata when Savage wanted Kamerion Wimbley all along. Then last year he signed Jamal Lewis away and the Raves were forced to pay two third round draft picks to acquire Willis McGahee because they felt Jam didn't have anything left in the tank. Jamal Lewis out rushed Willis McGahee last year and was paid less than Willis. Which brings us back to the Raven's abilty to sign DA away from the Browns.

In addition to the PR nightmare it would create the Ravens don't own a third round draft pick this year so it would be impossible for them to sign DA away from Cleveland or force the Browns hand to pony up more money to re-sign him as Savage did to the Ravens with Chester Taylor. The only way they could get DA would be to hammer out a trade with Savage and I just don't see that happening. But Wright has the correct idea in terms of valuation of DA. Classic market valuation is supply/demand. Their is a high demand and a low supply of QBs who can play now or who can put up stats that DA has shown. Fewer still have his measurables and his youth. Wright is in the right ballpark in thinking top ten pick.

 
i think DA proved he didn't belong in the ProBowl with his play there.his value took a hit with that appearance. they need to get what they can for him, because he wont' be happy playing the backup in Cleveland.
Are you guys seriously basing someone's value on an exhibition game that means nothing?????Personally, I am more interested in how a player performs in the offense he actually runs not some vanilla offense where the players have only hung out together for a week or two, mostly at the pool or beach.
 
az_prof said:
i think DA proved he didn't belong in the ProBowl with his play there.his value took a hit with that appearance. they need to get what they can for him, because he wont' be happy playing the backup in Cleveland.
Are you guys seriously basing someone's value on an exhibition game that means nothing?????Personally, I am more interested in how a player performs in the offense he actually runs not some vanilla offense where the players have only hung out together for a week or two, mostly at the pool or beach.
Playing against a vanilla defense where the players only hung out together for a week or two, mostly at the pool or beach.
 

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