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Travdogg's positional rankings from week 9 onward (1 Viewer)

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QB
Tier 1:
1. Lamar Jackson (1)
2. Jalen Hurts (6), big surprise, he's playing much better with Brown and Smith back. The real story is the 5 rush TDs in the last 2 games. Despite some hand wringing, the tush push is alive and well, and the sloppiness is getting fixed with 0 INT's in the last 4 games.
3. Jayden Daniels (2)
4. Josh Allen (3)

Tier 2:
5. Jordan Love (4)
6. Joe Burrow (5)
7. CJ Stroud (7)

Tier 3:
8. Kyler Murray (8)
9. Dak Prescott (9)
10. Patrick Mahomes (10)

Tier 4:
11. Baker Mayfield (11)
12. Brock Purdy (14), 3 straight games over 20, and could/should have CMC back after the bye. Only thing keeping me from putting him a tier higher is I don't think this rushing is for real. If it sticks around after the bye, he's probably between Stroud/Murray.
13. Jared Goff (13)
14. Geno Smith (12), he's petered out the last few weeks, and the rushing wasn't for real. I'm kind of in the boat that hasn't been all that impressed by Ryan Grubb either. Clearly needs DK back.
15. Kirk Cousins (NR), ideally, he'd play TB every week. But overall has topped 225 yards every week since week 1, and has 10 TDs in his last 4, in what seems to be a good offense.

Dropped off: Caleb Williams (15), it might have just been playing the Panthers and Jags. Looked completely lost against Washington. I'm not writing him off by any means, he could be back on this list next week, but I can't not downgrade him after that performance.
 
RB
Tier 1:
1. Derrick Henry (1)
2. Saquon Barkley (2)
3. Kyren Williams (3)
4. Jahmyr Gibbs (8), big plays have been predictably heating up. Like all the major Lions, probably would have had a much bigger game, if the D/ST had made them need to do anything.
5. Bijan Robinson (9), playing outstanding of late, and also getting into a touch rhythm, as he's had 18-24 in 3 straight weeks. He's been looking a lot more like a top-10 NFL draft pick should.
6. Breece Hall (10)

Tier 2:
7. Joe Mixon (5)
8. Jonathan Taylor (7)
9. Kenneth Walker (6)
10. Alvin Kamara (4), workload has come down from career high levels. He'll obviously produce more when Carr is back (possibly this week) but I do think that 1st month was always a little unsustainable. Not a bad buy-low though if people are just wanting to get off the Saints.
11. Christian McCaffrey (11)

Tier 3:
12. James Cook (13)
13. David Montgomery (12)
14. De'Von Achane (14)

Tier 4:
15. D'Andre Swift (16)
16. Aaron Jones (15)
17. Josh Jacobs (17)
18. James Conner (19)

Tier 5:
19. Brian Robinson (18)
20. Isiah Pacheco (26), was given a 6-8 week timeline, we are in week 6 now. He's sprinting and doing heavy lifting. Its always been my opinion that he's better than Hunt, and Hunt has been slowing down by the week. Its possible he's a league winner down the stretch. I don't think you have to buy him this high, he's probably on some waiver wires in leagues without IR spots, but I think there is value here, especially for teams with 6-7 wins right now.
21. Tony Pollard (20)

Tier 6:
22. JK Dobbins (22)
23. Chuba Hubbard (23)
24. Rachaad White (NR), perhaps I'm overreacting to a small sample size, but in the last 2 weeks, White has 12 catches, 109 yards and 3 TDs. He's a huge part of the passing game and I think will continue to take a good chunk of the Godwin work.
25. Nick Chubb (24)

Tier 7:
26. Kareem Hunt (28)
27. Rhamondre Stevenson (30)
28. Tank Bigsby (27)
29. Chase Brown (21), one the one hand, he's relegated Moss to mostly 3rd downs, on the other hand, the Bengals just aren't running the ball very well, and his only real good game was against Carolina. Might not be a bad sell after the Raiders game this week.
30. Bucky Irving (NR), clearly a better runner than White, I think him out catching White last week was a 100% fluke. I do think White being needed more in the pass game., could lead to more carries for Irving, and more 2-RB sets.

Dropped off: Jordan Mason (25), its been a nice run for him. CMC is likely back after the bye, and Guerendo has likely shown enough that Mason's workhorse role is gone regardless. Still a solid handcuff though. Najee Harris (29), feels like a good sell-high to me. Yes, he had his 3 best games the last 3 weeks, but they were against 3 teams who can't stop the run. Steelers might have the toughest schedule against the run, and Warren (and even Patterson) could be more involved the healthier they get.
 
WR
Tier 1:
1. AJ Brown (1)
2. Ja'Marr Chase (2)
3. Justin Jefferson (3)
4. CeeDee Lamb (6)

Tier 2:
5. Malik Nabers (4)
6. Amon-Ra St. Brown (5)
7. Drake London (8)
8. Tyreek Hill (12)

Tier 3:
9. Nico Collins (7)
10. Cooper Kupp (13)
11. Deebo Samuel (10)
12. Puka Nacua (25), certainly looked healthier than expected Thursday. I give Kupp a slight edge due to his redzone rapport with Stafford. They are both low-end WR1s going forward, and before anyone asks, Stafford was among the last cuts down to 15, almost entirely due to lack of rushing.
13. Davante Adams (11)

Tier 4:
14. Tee Higgins (14)
15. DK Metcalf (15)
16. Terry McLaurin (17)
17. Garrett Wilson (18)
18. DJ Moore (23), Sneaky buy-low in my opinion, as I think the passing game could get a little more condensed with Moore/Allen in the future, just to make things easier for Caleb. Boom/bust likely isn't going away, but I don't expect 4-5 targets to be the new norm.

Tier 5:
19. Brian Thomas (22)
20. Jayden Reed (21)
21. DeVonta Smith (19)
22. Marvin Harrison (20)
23. Zay Flowers (27)

Tier 6:
24. Mike Evans (16), while week 12 is the presumed return date, we've heard very little about it other than them not putting him on IR. Given the week to think about it, I'm a little more concerned than I was a week ago, given Evans history.
25. George Pickens (30), has been much better with Wilson at QB, and just missed a monster game on Monday. Likely to be very boom/bust still, but is a WR2/3 with Wilson, who can have a spike week at any time.
26. Amari Cooper (31), despite a lower stat line, his role got bigger last week. That should continue. Not a bad buy-low if people are scared off by last week's dud.
27. Chris Olave (24)
28. Jaylen Waddle (28)

Tier 7:
29. Darnell Mooney (33)
30. Diontae Johnson (26)
31. Tank Dell (40), Diggs injury locks him into the #2 role going forward. He hasn't looked like the same player he did as a rookie. Maybe he gets going without Diggs, as he should see more inside snaps like he did last season?
32. DeAndre Hopkins (NR), looked healthy in his KC debut. I see no reason why he won't be 2nd on the team in targets. Could see him being a better version of 2022 JuJu.

Tier 8:
33. Jameson Williams (29)
34. Ladd McConkey (38)
35. Michael Pittman (32)
36. Jaxon Smith-Njigba (35)

Tier 9:
37. Jakobi Meyers (37)
38. Khalil Shakir (NR), had a feeling he was a decent buy-low after the Cooper deal. Between that and recovering from his ankle injury, Shakir has 16 targets the last 2 weeks and has continued his excellent catch % with 15 of those. Ceiling is limited, but he's a safe bet each week to not dud.
39. Romeo Doubs (NR), he's been GB's #1 since he took that week off complaining about his role. I don't think Love's injury is serious (a week 10 bye means he'll miss 1 game at most) he doesn't have Reed's ceiling, but probably has more consistency, as the guy playing the most snaps.
40. Keenan Allen (NR), Led the team in targets, though that amounted to very little. I do think getting Allen going on short routes would be the best thing they could do for Caleb, but that's pure speculation on my end if they will.

Dropped off: Stefon Diggs (9), torn ACL ends what was a promising season. Jordan Addison (34), 1 game over 4 targets this season, and Hock should be back this week. Might be the #4 target in the offense going forward. Xavier Worthy (36), as TD or bust as it gets. Fully expect Hopkins to blow past him in targets. Rome Odunze (39), I think he starts taking more of a backseat to Allen, just a hunch. Maybe used more on clear outs, and deep shots.
 
TE
Tier 1:
1. George Kittle (1)
2. Brock Bowers (2)
3. Trey McBride (3)
4. Travis Kelce (4)

Tier 2:
5. Kyle Pitts (11), been a top-13 TE in every game in the last month. 4th in yards on the season, with 65+ in each of those last 4. Could just be running hot, but I don't know, I wanna believe in a former #4 overall pick in a good offense.
6. David Njoku (10), its starting to look like Watson is/was a poison who just infected everyone, and maybe the Browns get going overall going forward. Njoku is my pick to lead the passing game in Cleveland (Tillman is on the radar) Was a league winner with Flacco last season, could he be with Winston as well? I'd say its less likely, as Cleveland shouldn't be as pass heavy with Chubb around, but its not impossible.
7. Sam LaPorta (6)
8. Jake Ferguson (5)

Tier 3:
9. Evan Engram (12)
10. Dalton Kincaid (7)
11. TJ Hockenson (8)

Tier 4:
12. Tucker Kraft (14)
13. Cade Otton (NR), just missed last week, and as many pointed out, he was the biggest beneficiary of Evans/Godwin being out. I do think last week was a bit of an aberration, being the 2nd highest scoring non-QB is wild for a TE, but he's gonna be in the weekly starter conversation. If Evans is out longer than expected, this will be too low.
14. Taysom Hill (15)
15. Dallas Goedert (9), the #3 option (at best) in Philly, and enough TEs are coming on, where what Goedert offers is less valuable.

Dropped off: Cole Kmet (13), was always riding a bit of an unsustainable high. Can be the #5 target in any given week. 1 game above 5 targets all season.
 
Diontae Johnson dropped 4 spots in your rankings. Is that due to him landing with the Ravens or others simply climbing?
 
What does Tyrone Tracy need to go to crack the top 30? Probably going to be out a week with a concussion, but he's clearly the lead back and looked good against a good PIT defense last night.
 
Dizzy said:
Appreciate the work.

In your QB rankings... really surprised not to see Bo NIx. He's flying under the radar but, 20+ fantasy points last 3/4 weeks and maybe the most QB-friendly schedule ROS.
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My superflex trio of Nix, Stafford and Herbert are all itching to crack @travdogg’s list.
 
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I could see Mayfield dropping down once he lost Evans and Godwin, but this past week proved he can still produce top 5 numbers for FFB. He’s currently QB#2 for the season. Give the man some love already…
 
travdogg said:
Dropped off: Caleb Williams (15), it might have just been playing the Panthers and Jags. Looked completely lost against Washington. I'm not writing him off by any means, he could be back on this list next week, but I can't not downgrade him after that performance.
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I actually thought it played well for the cards he was dealt. He had no time at all and was running for his life. He brought them to the brink of a win even with all that pressure and crap. Got better as the game went on. I agree that his O-line and coaching brings him down some and probably not deserving of being top 15 but I disagree that he was lost against Washington. Given the lack of blocking I thought he performed well.
 
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1) Ultimately, I think you're underrating Kyler a bit too much. I know Love has thrown 15 TD's even with missing time, but he's also thrown 9 INT's. And Stroud seemingly is not taking that 'next' step yet in terms of building off his rookie year. And both are offering almost nothing in terms of rushing production while Kyler is on a 700+ yard pace. Of the running QB's, his is the only speed/quickness that rivals the best slot WR's.

2) Hunt shouldn't be a bellcow, but it does make sense for him to share some load with Pacheco coming back from injury. And KC simply isn't an offensive juggernaut so I think 20 is a bit overvalued for Pacheco.

3) It might be time to re-evaluate your Malik Nabors ranking. Same with Mahomes.

4) For those clamoring for Tyrone Tracy...I agree
 
TheDirtyWord said:
3) It might be time to re-evaluate your Malik Nabors ranking.
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Up or down? He leads the NFL in targets per game. Here are the finishes of the target leaders for the last decade:

2023 - CeeDee Lamb - WR1
2022 - Justin Jefferson - WR1
2021 - Cooper Kupp - WR1
2020 - Stefon Diggs - WR3
2019 - Michael Thomas - WR1
2018 - DeAndre Hopkins - WR1
2017 - DeAndre Hopkins - WR1
2016 - Odell Beckham - WR4
2015 - Antonio Brown - WR1
2014 - Antonio Brown - WR1
 
TheWinz said:
TheDirtyWord said:
3) It might be time to re-evaluate your Malik Nabors ranking.
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Up or down? He leads the NFL in targets per game. Here are the finishes of the target leaders for the last decade:

2023 - CeeDee Lamb - WR1
2022 - Justin Jefferson - WR1
2021 - Cooper Kupp - WR1
2020 - Stefon Diggs - WR3
2019 - Michael Thomas - WR1
2018 - DeAndre Hopkins - WR1
2017 - DeAndre Hopkins - WR1
2016 - Odell Beckham - WR4
2015 - Antonio Brown - WR1
2014 - Antonio Brown - WR1
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Couple of things...

1) Yes...his target rate is astronomically high. His YPT is also really poor which is obviously more a reflection of QB than Nabers. But not only is that not going away, but could get worse. at 12+ targets/game...just don't think they'll sustain that.
2) Given the putrid QB play, they are still 4th in the NFL in pass attempts/sacks taken per game. With the emergence of a true stud RB in Tracy potentially, I can see a shift back to a more balanced attack.
3) I like Nabers, but he's still a rookie and not quite those guys yet. And with the exception of Hopkins, the QB's that fed those WR's target were high level.
 
RaidersAreOne said:
Diontae Johnson dropped 4 spots in your rankings. Is that due to him landing with the Ravens or others simply climbing?
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As is often the case, I'd say both. I don't see going to Baltimore as an upgrade for Johnson. I mean, he'll be more efficient (with a better offense and better QB play) but he went from being the clear #1 to anywhere as a low as #4 or even #5 in a given week. I expect Flowers to be the #1 WR, the TEs will still be heavily involved, Bateman will still get his shots, and its still a run 1st offense.

Johnson had 43 targets in a 4 week stretch once Dalton took over in Carolina. That volume will never happen in Baltimore, and in fact could be around his volume for the rest of the season, if things don't break right. To be honest, I think I'm probably being a bit generous having him this high, but I've always liked Johnson, and his ability to get quick separation.

Its possible the Ravens increase their pass attempts after this deal but seems like a bad idea. The games they've lost are the games they got away from Henry, and they weren't games where they were chasing and had to score fast, they chose to pass instead of run in all 3 losses. This ranking is a bit of a hedge of all these thoughts. I feel like he'll settle into WR3 territory (maybe low-end WR2 if things go perfect) or he'll be off the list entirely in a few weeks.
 
fightingillini said:
What does Tyrone Tracy need to go to crack the top 30? Probably going to be out a week with a concussion, but he's clearly the lead back and looked good against a good PIT defense last night.
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The concussion factored in. He was in the 40 to 30 cutdown. He was really impressive against the Steelers, but I'm not willing to necessarily agree he's left Singletary in the dust yet. Singletary just got back from a groin injury, and Tracy had the hot hand. I think Tracy>Singletary, but I doubt the split is as big as it was against Pittsburgh.
 
BobbyLayne said:
Finishes by week:
  1. QB15
  2. QB18
  3. QB15
  4. QB17
  5. QB18
  6. bye
  7. QB18
  8. QB16
Season Long:
  • Yds /g - 16th
  • TD - 19th
  • INT - tied for league lead
  • TD% - 21st
  • INT% - 4th highest
  • 2023 Finish - QB14 PPG
Mahomes seems to be ranked too high.
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He hasn't played at a QB10 level I agree. If Evans/Godwin weren't hurt, I'd have moved Mayfield ahead of him a by now. I can see a path for Purdy, after that though...not really seeing anyone I like more. Maybe if Cousins got to play TB every week?

I'll 100% concede he gets some benefit of the doubt just from being Patrick Mahomes. For what its worth he is coming off his best game of the season, and did just get a WR upgrade.

The difference between what Mahomes is doing, and QB10 is a little under 2 points per week. I still think he can turn that around at any moment.
 
zoonation said:
Otton is a top 5 TE going forward. Baker is dealing and he is his favorite target.
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I'd be surprised by that, but he's certainly earned a spot in the rankings. I'm a little skeptical of him keeping it up at these last 2 weeks levels. I try not to be over reactionary, and before Otton, it was Cole Kmet or Tucker Kraft are top-5 guys, after week 1, some were arguing for Likely.

If he maintains a high target share, and the Bucs offense keeps it up, he'll move up a bit, but he's probably not hitting the top-5 for me unless he shows it for a bit longer. KC/SF these next 2 weeks will be a big test.
 
Dizzy said:
Appreciate the work.

In your QB rankings... really surprised not to see Bo NIx. He's flying under the radar but, 20+ fantasy points last 3/4 weeks and maybe the most QB-friendly schedule ROS.
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Nix was in the 20 to 15 cutdown. Really wish Denver would have been the Diontae Johnson team. There have been a few times this season, I've been really impressed by a throw Nix made, and it didn't matter, because it was to Lil' Jordan Humphrey, or Adam Trautman. His rushing has been a nice surprise.
 
OU#1 said:
I could see Mayfield dropping down once he lost Evans and Godwin, but this past week proved he can still produce top 5 numbers for FFB. He’s currently QB#2 for the season. Give the man some love already…
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This is a little funny to me, because last week I was defending him still being as high as #11 after losing Evans/Godwin.

I'll almost certainly never have him in the top-5 this season, not without Godwin, and I do think last week could be a slight aberration, but Mayfield is a gunslinger, and he'll be that regardless of if you and I were his weapons.
 
Willie Mays Hayes said:
Josh Downs can't crack the Top 40? Blasphemy!
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Was in the 50 to 40 cut down. If I knew for sure that Joe Flacco was starting the rest of the season, he'd be top-40 for sure, however I think its very unlikely that is the case. He's a WR3 for however long Flacco is starting though.
 
Gally said:
travdogg said:
Dropped off: Caleb Williams (15), it might have just been playing the Panthers and Jags. Looked completely lost against Washington. I'm not writing him off by any means, he could be back on this list next week, but I can't not downgrade him after that performance.
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I actually thought it played well for the cards he was dealt. He had no time at all and was running for his life. He brought them to the brink of a win even with all that pressure and crap. Got better as the game went on. I agree that his O-line and coaching brings him down some and probably not deserving of being top 15 but I disagree that he was lost against Washington. Given the lack of blocking I thought he performed well.
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I'm gonna disagree a bit with that, I thought he looked unaware to go with the football a lot. He was also too quick to leave clean pockets, though he did a good job avoiding sacks when pressured, and not making any big mistakes. But yeah, his accuracy was awful, and he missed several open WRs, both on thrown passes and passes where he didn't pull the trigger. I counted at least 3 plays where DJ Moore was open by several steps and didn't get the ball, and was throwing his arms up as if saying, "how much much open do I need to get?"

I thought he had very little to do with the comeback. I would put that on the running game, and the defense holding Washington to all FGs. Of course, stupidly, they decided to run a lineman dive, instead of just giving Swift (the guy most responsible for the comeback) the ball.

As I said in the WR section, I do think the Bears could really help Caleb out by getting him going on these short quick throws, which you'd think was the entire reason they went after a guy like Keenan Allen in the first place. Caleb's a rookie, and he's put some good on tape. I'm a Bears fan, and I'm not worried about him at all, but I saw Sunday differently, I guess.
 
travdogg said:
BobbyLayne said:
Finishes by week:
  1. QB15
  2. QB18
  3. QB15
  4. QB17
  5. QB18
  6. bye
  7. QB18
  8. QB16
Season Long:
  • Yds /g - 16th
  • TD - 19th
  • INT - tied for league lead
  • TD% - 21st
  • INT% - 4th highest
  • 2023 Finish - QB14 PPG
Mahomes seems to be ranked too high.
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He hasn't played at a QB10 level I agree. If Evans/Godwin weren't hurt, I'd have moved Mayfield ahead of him a by now. I can see a path for Purdy, after that though...not really seeing anyone I like more. Maybe if Cousins got to play TB every week?

I'll 100% concede he gets some benefit of the doubt just from being Patrick Mahomes. For what its worth he is coming off his best game of the season, and did just get a WR upgrade.

The difference between what Mahomes is doing, and QB10 is a little under 2 points per week. I still think he can turn that around at any moment.
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2024 Finishes by week:
  1. QB15
  2. QB18
  3. QB15
  4. QB17
  5. QB18
  6. bye
  7. QB18
  8. QB16
2023 Finishes by week
  1. QB6
  2. QB13
  3. QB5
  4. QB19
  5. QB10
  6. QB6
  7. QB2
  8. QB31
  9. QB12
  10. bye
  11. QB14
  12. QB8
  13. QB16
  14. QB19
  15. QB17
  16. QB17
  17. QB24
  18. DNP
I know nobody wants to hear the emperor has no clothes, but we're talking a full year of mediocre production.

Mahomes in his last 16 starts - going back to Week 8 of last year, so 19 weeks - his average FF finish has been QB17.

His peak performance this year has been QB15.

Over that 16 games played span:
  • QB8 - 1
  • QB12 - 1
  • QB14 - 1
  • QB15 - 2
  • QB16 - 2
  • QB17 - 3
  • QB18 - 3
  • QB19 - 1
  • QB24 - 1
  • QB31 - 1
That production, from over a year plus of NFL regular season weeks, does not warrant a Top 10 ranking.
 
TheDirtyWord said:
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1) Ultimately, I think you're underrating Kyler a bit too much. I know Love has thrown 15 TD's even with missing time, but he's also thrown 9 INT's. And Stroud seemingly is not taking that 'next' step yet in terms of building off his rookie year. And both are offering almost nothing in terms of rushing production while Kyler is on a 700+ yard pace. Of the running QB's, his is the only speed/quickness that rivals the best slot WR's.

2) Hunt shouldn't be a bellcow, but it does make sense for him to share some load with Pacheco coming back from injury. And KC simply isn't an offensive juggernaut so I think 20 is a bit overvalued for Pacheco.

3) It might be time to re-evaluate your Malik Nabors ranking. Same with Mahomes.

4) For those clamoring for Tyrone Tracy...I agree
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I don't know that Kyler is faster/quicker than Lamar. I think I'd take Jackson there. Might argue Daniels too. I'd love to put Kyler higher in the rankings, but until last week's 300 yard game, the passing yards were 190 a week. If this is the start of them taking the shackles off a bit (and it should be, both McBride and Harrison should be seeing at least 8 targets weekly) he'll move up, but right now I don't trust them to not run James Conner 25 times and try to win with their not particularly good defense.

I think Hunt will get work when Pacheco is back, but I can't see it being anything like, say 50-50. Hunt has quietly kinda stunk and is living off TDs and volume. Truth be told, I don't think he's doing anything Samaje Perine couldn't have done. I think Pacheco/Hopkins could make KC look like a much better offense in the near future. I know Pacheco's numbers weren't all that different than Hunt's, but his matchups were tougher, and his end of 2023 was much better than anything Hunt has done since...2020?

I would like to be lower on Nabers, but that volume is the best in the NFL. I know you said you think its unsustainable, but I don't know that it is. Daboll seems to run a bunch of plays for the guy, the defense is middling, and despite Tracy's recent run, I'm not ready to say the Giants can sustain being a run balanced team. Nabers may not league the league in targets by season's end, but I'd be a little surprised if he wasn't top-5.
 
travdogg said:
The difference between what Mahomes is doing, and QB10 is a little under 2 points per week. I still think he can turn that around at any moment.
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What scoring system?

Looks more like 3.5 not under 2. (remove Wilson and Flacco bc # of games played, looking at 12th to 24th).

Player​
Team​
G​
Comp​
Att​
Yard​
TD​
INT​
Att​
Yard​
TD​
FPts​
FPts/G​
1. Lamar Jackson​
BAL​
8​
158​
236​
2,099​
17​
2​
81​
501​
2​
202.1​
25.3​
2. Baker Mayfield​
TB​
8​
202​
284​
2,189​
21​
9​
29​
169​
2​
182.5​
22.8​
3. Jalen Hurts​
PHI​
7​
132​
191​
1,544​
8​
4​
73​
255​
7​
147.3​
21.0​
4. Jayden Daniels​
WAS​
8​
148​
206​
1,736​
7​
2​
74​
424​
4​
159.8​
20.0​
5. Josh Allen​
BUF​
8​
143​
223​
1,766​
14​
1​
45​
204​
3​
159.0​
19.9​
PIT​
2​
36​
57​
542​
3​
0​
6​
10​
1​
38.7​
19.3​
7. Justin Fields​
PIT​
6​
106​
160​
1,106​
5​
1​
55​
231​
5​
113.3​
18.9​
8. Joe Burrow​
CIN​
8​
185​
263​
1,993​
15​
3​
24​
106​
1​
148.3​
18.5​
9. Joe Flacco​
IND​
3​
71​
108​
716​
7​
1​
6​
26​
0​
55.2​
18.4​
10. Kyler Murray​
ARI​
8​
156​
232​
1,638​
11​
3​
41​
344​
2​
145.9​
18.2​
11. Brock Purdy​
SF​
8​
156​
242​
2,101​
10​
7​
42​
210​
3​
145.0​
18.1​
12. Jordan Love​
GB​
6​
124​
201​
1,547​
15​
9​
10​
28​
0​
106.7​
17.8​
24. Patrick Mahomes​
KC​
7​
154​
225​
1,651​
8​
9​
34​
139​
1​
99.9​
14.3​
 
need2know said:
Mark amdrews should be top 10. At least
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He was in the 20 to 15 cutdown for me. Might have snuck into 14th or 15th before the Dionate news broke, but its tough to get high on a guy who is very TD dependent and hasn't topped 5 targets in a game all season. He was a nice waiver pickup a month ago and is probably a nice sell-high now in my opinion.
 
Seeing all this Mahomes talk is making me consider trading him in my 14 team Dynasty (I own J Daniels as well) .. another owner willing to give me Murray plus something. I may need to explore this further.
 
BobbyLayne said:
travdogg said:
The difference between what Mahomes is doing, and QB10 is a little under 2 points per week. I still think he can turn that around at any moment.
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What scoring system?

Looks more like 3.5 not under 2. (remove Wilson and Flacco bc # of games played, looking at 12th to 24th).

Player​
Team​
G​
Comp​
Att​
Yard​
TD​
INT​
Att​
Yard​
TD​
FPts​
FPts/G​
1. Lamar Jackson​
BAL​
8​
158​
236​
2,099​
17​
2​
81​
501​
2​
202.1​
25.3​
2. Baker Mayfield​
TB​
8​
202​
284​
2,189​
21​
9​
29​
169​
2​
182.5​
22.8​
3. Jalen Hurts​
PHI​
7​
132​
191​
1,544​
8​
4​
73​
255​
7​
147.3​
21.0​
4. Jayden Daniels​
WAS​
8​
148​
206​
1,736​
7​
2​
74​
424​
4​
159.8​
20.0​
5. Josh Allen​
BUF​
8​
143​
223​
1,766​
14​
1​
45​
204​
3​
159.0​
19.9​
PIT​
2​
36​
57​
542​
3​
0​
6​
10​
1​
38.7​
19.3​
7. Justin Fields​
PIT​
6​
106​
160​
1,106​
5​
1​
55​
231​
5​
113.3​
18.9​
8. Joe Burrow​
CIN​
8​
185​
263​
1,993​
15​
3​
24​
106​
1​
148.3​
18.5​
9. Joe Flacco​
IND​
3​
71​
108​
716​
7​
1​
6​
26​
0​
55.2​
18.4​
10. Kyler Murray​
ARI​
8​
156​
232​
1,638​
11​
3​
41​
344​
2​
145.9​
18.2​
11. Brock Purdy​
SF​
8​
156​
242​
2,101​
10​
7​
42​
210​
3​
145.0​
18.1​
12. Jordan Love​
GB​
6​
124​
201​
1,547​
15​
9​
10​
28​
0​
106.7​
17.8​
24. Patrick Mahomes​
KC​
7​
154​
225​
1,651​
8​
9​
34​
139​
1​
99.9​
14.3​
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Yahoo's scoring system penalizes -1 for INTs. Maybe that's the difference?

Excluding guys who haven't been full-time starters, the #10 QB is Sam Darnold at 17.43, Mahomes is 18th at 15.59.

I'm betting on talent keeping him at 10. I know the production hasn't been that level, but I still think it could be, its just a couple more PPG. I don't see who to move ahead of him, other than maybe Purdy (which I've talked about) and maybe Baker (though I want to see more than 1 game without Evans/Godwin) the other guys to me are pretty much the same.

Guys like Goff or Geno are basically the same, but with 1 big game propping them up, and a fluky receiving score in Goff's case. Cousins is all over the board, with similar overall points. Darnold has predictably cooled off. Mahomes has outproduced Stroud this season, though I'm betting a bit on Nico coming back being a bit of a cure all. I'm not ready to put Nix above him yet. Maybe Stafford or Tua, but that's fully a bet on their weapons, and they've both had a lot of bad themselves.

Overall, I think QB has been a bit of a you either have a tier 1 guy, or you are playing matchups season. I think Love and Burrow have been the most trustable (short of Baker with healthy WRs) and then after that its been a cluster.
 
travdogg said:
Guys like Goff or Geno are basically the same, but with 1 big game propping them up, and a fluky receiving score in Goff 's case.
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Here is Goff's last 5 weeks (4 g) with the fluky receiving TD removed:
  • Week 4 QB9
  • Week 5 bye
  • Week 6 QB4
  • Week 7 QB9
  • Week 8 QB15
 
Last 5 weeks:

Player​
Team​
G​
Comp​
Att​
Yard​
TD​
INT​
Att​
Yard​
TD​
FPts​
FPts/G​
1. Lamar Jackson​
BAL​
5​
99​
146​
1,397​
14​
1​
46​
247​
1​
134.6​
26.9​
2. Baker Mayfield​
TB​
5​
141​
202​
1,552​
15​
7​
21​
114​
1​
125.5​
25.1​
3. Jalen Hurts​
PHI​
4​
60​
89​
772​
5​
0​
39​
112​
6​
96.1​
24.0​
4. Justin Fields​
PIT​
3​
51​
85​
588​
3​
0​
27​
141​
4​
71.6​
23.9​
5. Jared Goff​
DET​
4​
70​
83​
972​
10​
0​
8​
0​
0​
78.9​
19.7​
6. Joe Burrow​
CIN​
5​
112​
160​
1,247​
10​
3​
13​
78​
1​
97.7​
19.5​
7. Russell Wilson​
PIT​
2​
36​
57​
542​
3​
0​
6​
10​
1​
38.7​
19.3​
8. Brock Purdy​
SF​
5​
87​
147​
1,259​
6​
6​
29​
146​
3​
95.0​
19.0​
9. Bo Nix​
DEN​
5​
94​
148​
930​
8​
1​
34​
152​
2​
94.4​
18.9​
10. Joe Flacco​
IND​
3​
71​
108​
716​
7​
1​
6​
26​
0​
55.2​
18.4​
11. Jordan Love​
GB​
5​
107​
167​
1,287​
13​
8​
10​
28​
0​
90.3​
18.1​
12. Kirk Cousins​
ATL​
5​
129​
187​
1,480​
10​
4​
8​
10​
0​
90.2​
18.0​
13. Jayden Daniels​
WAS​
5​
87​
130​
1,072​
5​
2​
36​
253​
1​
90.2​
18.0​
14. Trevor Lawrence​
JAC​
5​
105​
154​
1,275​
9​
3​
15​
49​
1​
89.9​
18.0​
15. Caleb Williams​
CHI​
4​
70​
105​
818​
7​
1​
24​
143​
0​
71.0​
17.8​
16. Kyler Murray​
ARI​
5​
97​
146​
1,003​
6​
2​
26​
183​
2​
88.4​
17.7​
17. Josh Allen​
BUF​
5​
89​
151​
1,132​
7​
1​
28​
119​
1​
87.2​
17.4​
18. Drake Maye​
NE​
3​
49​
76​
542​
5​
2​
11​
102​
1​
51.9​
17.3​
19. Geno Smith​
SEA​
5​
135​
205​
1,410​
5​
4​
19​
141​
0​
82.5​
16.5​
20. Justin Herbert​
LAC​
4​
84​
132​
1,044​
4​
0​
13​
59​
0​
63.7​
15.9​
21. C.J. Stroud​
HOU​
5​
110​
167​
1,239​
7​
2​
15​
60​
0​
75.6​
15.1​
24. Patrick Mahomes​
KC​
4​
90​
133​
992​
3​
5​
22​
90​
1​
56.7​
14.2​
 
ran into character limitation, here's the missing 22. and 23.

22. Sam Darnold​
MIN​
4​
74​
111​
953​
6​
3​
19​
71​
0​
59.2​
14.8​
23. Tua Tagovailoa​
MIA​
1​
28​
38​
234​
1​
0​
3​
13​
0​
14.7​
14.7​
 
travdogg said:
Willie Mays Hayes said:
Josh Downs can't crack the Top 40? Blasphemy!
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Was in the 50 to 40 cut down. If I knew for sure that Joe Flacco was starting the rest of the season, he'd be top-40 for sure, however I think its very unlikely that is the case. He's a WR3 for however long Flacco is starting though.
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Pittman being on the list over Downs is a shame.

I also want to give my props to Bo Nix play over the last few weeks. He will be on this list one of these days.
 
BearsFan4Life said:
Seeing all this Mahomes talk is making me consider trading him in my 14 team Dynasty (I own J Daniels as well) .. another owner willing to give me Murray plus something. I may need to explore this further.
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I would doubt that the Kyler owner would give you more than just Kyler for Mahomes. My guess is you would have to add something to the Mahomes side (as strange as that sounds it is the new FF reality).
 
travdogg said:
I thought he had very little to do with the comeback. I would put that on the running game, and the defense holding Washington to all FGs. Of course, stupidly, they decided to run a lineman dive, instead of just giving Swift (the guy most responsible for the comeback) the ball.
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I agree that the running game and defense were big contributors but under all that pressure all game long and he didn't throw any int's was also a factor. Obviously his accuracy was not the best but running for your life will do that to you at times.

I guess my impression is that for a rookie he is doing well given the circumstances. The biggest positive is minimizing turnovers. But I think we both can agree that the coaches aren't doing him any favors with play calls and lack of time to throw. Overall, I have been impressed with his rookie season as I expected a lot worse. He looks poised to me (most of the time) especially considering the terrible O-line he is playing behind.
 
Gally said:
BearsFan4Life said:
Seeing all this Mahomes talk is making me consider trading him in my 14 team Dynasty (I own J Daniels as well) .. another owner willing to give me Murray plus something. I may need to explore this further.
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I would doubt that the Kyler owner would give you more than just Kyler for Mahomes. My guess is you would have to add something to the Mahomes side (as strange as that sounds it is the new FF reality).
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He has already told me he would throw in something small .. not sure if that means 2nd round rookie pick or player .. but will be exploring the options now
 
zoonation said:
Otton is a top 5 TE going forward. Baker is dealing and he is his favorite target.
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I think hes top 5 while Evans is out. once Evans is back he will slide some. I assume these rankings are for ROS. not just for this week. I have him one tier higher on my list though admittedly the difference between the 2 tiers isnt all that large.
 
travdogg said:
Kirk Cousins (NR), ideally, he'd play TB every week. But overall has topped 225 yards every week since week 1, and has 10 TDs in his last 4
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I mean... you said it but then you walked it back a bit. Eight TDs in two games against the same team and six TDs in six games against different opponents.

Personally, I am still not confident what is real and what is illusion with him.
 
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