Detroit Mom defends her home with 'Assault Weapon' (2 Viewers)

[LinusMarr]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

I can only speak for myself here, but:Home broken into- 5

Won Lottery - 0

Not talking about break ins here. I'm referring to people entering your house with intent to do you or your loved ones physical harm, so that you are forced to use a firearm to defend yourself.

OK then:Bad intent -2

Lottery-0

The last one was caught around the corner after coming in through the sliding glass door while my wife was home alone. A dog and a 12-guage shotgun convinced him to leave. He had a very long rap sheet including several sexual assaults.

I would have shot him and drug his carcass back inside the house, blouses....

 

[fatness]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

According to a United States Department of Justice report:• 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

• 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break­in or home invasion.
• Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
• According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.

Damn....I need to buy more guns! Seriously, though, that's a lot more than I expected.

FYI these stats are sourced from multiple places claiming FBI as a source, but have since been disproven.

Even if the "actual numbers" are only half of that, it's still a very good argument for being allowed to arm yourself to protect yourself and your family.

There's a pretty good article here on why those numbers are bogus.

The graphic states that 3,600,000 was the “average number” of home invasions occuring annually between 1994 and 2000. Nonsense! That’s a five-year period, not counting 1994 and 2000, bringing us to a total of about 18 MILLION home invasions. That’s one every 34 minutes, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for those five years. And that’s just on “average,” according to the chart.

It was some made-up numbers used as a marketing tool.

This infographic was put into circulation by Interactive Holdings, LLC, a company headquartered in North Carolina that functions as a multifaceted holding company for various Internet, information technlogy, creative design, and marketing solutsions. In other words, a marketing operation whose assignment — in this case — appears to have been driving traffic to local “bump resistant certified locksmiths.”

Since the infographic was created, things have changed a bit at the original website, bumpkeywarning.com. The graphic itself has been taken down, but some of the same misleading statistics still appear. In addition, a notice now appears on the “home invasion” portion of the bumpkeywarning site: Interactive Holdings, LLC, owners of BumpKeyWarning.com make no representation or warranty as to the accuracy or completeness of the information presented in this web site or web sites that are or may be linked to the BumpKeyWarning.com web site now or in the future. Access to and use of all information is at the user’s risk.

 

[Oink Oink the Pig]

Part of gun ownership is accidentally killing someone.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I love how Johnny Ringo Jr. tries to pick up the gun he dropped and have another go. Another argument for high capacity mags.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

This may be the worst made-up statistic I've ever seen here. That's saying a lot on a fantasy football forum where people are constantly trying to bend stats to make their point.

Has anyone even won the lottery multiple times in the same year....ever? I'm pretty sure that zero is significantly less than the number of people who've needed to defend themselves against home invasions.

 

[timschochet]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

This may be the worst made-up statistic I've ever seen here. That's saying a lot on a fantasy football forum where people are constantly trying to bend stats to make their point.

Has anyone even won the lottery multiple times in the same year....ever? I'm pretty sure that zero is significantly less than the number of people who've needed to defend themselves against home invasions.

Of course it's a made up statistic. Your point, that nobody has won the lottery even twice (much less "several times") should have given that away. But what strikes me as amusing is that all day long everyone has been challenging it. I haven't had time to respond due to my brother's situation. Let me do that now, very quickly:

My only point in making up such an obviously ludicrous statistic is that people who are forced to defend themselves against those that seek to do them harm is a very rare occurrence. How rare depends on who you ask. Icon's statistics are irrelevant to this question because they all regard what occurs once the home invasion has already happened.

The reason I brought this up in the first case was NOT to disparage the ownership of guns for home defense. Personally I believe that it is perfectly justifiable to own a gun for such a purpose. If I were more comfortable around guns myself, I would own one for this purpose (since hunting doesn't interest me.) It cracks me up a lot that people seem to have me pinned as some kind of anti-gun person. I admit to being for universal gun registration and background checks, and I admit to being uncomfortable with concealed carry in some situations. But that is the limit of my gun control beliefs. You want to own several hundred guns in your own home, that's your right and I would never try to stop you.

The reason I brought up my BS statistic is because I hate arguments like this one. I hate arguments that are based on anecdotes, whether I agree or disagree with the argument being made. If you want to argue that owning a gun at home makes you feel safer, fine. If you argue that owning a gun makes you actually safer, then show some real statistics to back that up- don't tell us stories.

 

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I love that Tim demands "proof that owning a gun at home makes you safer" in a thread specifically about a woman who used her gun to protect herself and her kids against 3 intruders, at least one of which was armed.

 

[The Commish]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

I can only speak for myself here, but:Home broken into- 5

Won Lottery - 0

Where in Charlotte are you? I live in a semi-sketchy neighborhood and have for over ten years. A few years ago my car was broken into. That is the extent of crime I have had to deal with here. In fact I have lived in Charlotte for 25 years and that is all the crime I have been victim of.

When I first got married about 30 years ago I lived in a rough area off Sugar Creek Road. The break ins happened in bad areas. Now I live near Cotswold.

Celania? That you?

 

[phrozen]

looks like Tim had nothing to copy and paste from this time

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

I can only speak for myself here, but:Home broken into- 5

Won Lottery - 0

Where in Charlotte are you? I live in a semi-sketchy neighborhood and have for over ten years. A few years ago my car was broken into. That is the extent of crime I have had to deal with here. In fact I have lived in Charlotte for 25 years and that is all the crime I have been victim of.

When I first got married about 30 years ago I lived in a rough area off Sugar Creek Road. The break ins happened in bad areas. Now I live near Cotswold.

Celania? That you?

Jim Celania? Did he live of Sugar Creek?

 

[Clifford]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

I can only speak for myself here, but:Home broken into- 5

Won Lottery - 0

Not talking about break ins here. I'm referring to people entering your house with intent to do you or your loved ones physical harm, so that you are forced to use a firearm to defend yourself.

OK then:Bad intent -2

Lottery-0

The last one was caught around the corner after coming in through the sliding glass door while my wife was home alone. A dog and a 12-guage shotgun convinced him to leave. He had a very long rap sheet including several sexual assaults.

I would have shot him and drug his carcass back inside the house, blouses....

Umm, what were you planning on doing with his carcass? (NTTAWWT)

 

[Clifford]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

This may be the worst made-up statistic I've ever seen here. That's saying a lot on a fantasy football forum where people are constantly trying to bend stats to make their point.

Has anyone even won the lottery multiple times in the same year....ever? I'm pretty sure that zero is significantly less than the number of people who've needed to defend themselves against home invasions.

Of course it's a made up statistic.

My only point in making up such an obviously ludicrous statistic

The reason I brought up my BS statistic is because I hate arguments like this one. I hate arguments that are based on anecdotes

You are a ####### mess dude.

 

[Apes with Guns]

Part of gun ownership is accidentally killing someone.

and you can't quit gun ownership. blood in, blood out.

 

[Chaka]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

Don't bother.

 

[Pantherz]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

I can only speak for myself here, but:Home broken into- 5

Won Lottery - 0

Where in Charlotte are you? I live in a semi-sketchy neighborhood and have for over ten years. A few years ago my car was broken into. That is the extent of crime I have had to deal with here. In fact I have lived in Charlotte for 25 years and that is all the crime I have been victim of.

When I first got married about 30 years ago I lived in a rough area off Sugar Creek Road. The break ins happened in bad areas. Now I live near Cotswold.

Celania? That you?

LOL, we do seem to have a lot in common.

 

[Dippa]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

In the words of Lloyd Christmas - "So you're telling me there's a chance?".

The odds of anything at all happening to anyone are zero if the gun is handled and stored properly. I own guns personally - yes plural. They are stored properly in one locked location, and my ammunition is stored in a hidden and locked container in a totally different location in my house.

Kudos to you for being responsible. Question: do you have a system for getting your guns in a quick way if you have a home invasion?

Guns yes, ammo not so much. I'm not sure an intruder is going to ask if it's loaded if he sees me with the gun. Do we know if the woman in the video had a loaded gun?

Actually, in the video the woman said that they didn't believe she had a gun until she fired a shot, which I guess means that they didn't think it was real and/or loaded. I've always been told that if you pull a gun on someone, you better be willing and able to shoot if necessary. Otherwise, if the guy calls your bluff and reacts by pulling a loaded weapon, you're screwed.

In this case, one of the criminals did have a loaded weapon and was apparently willing to pull it in response.