Detroit Mom defends her home with 'Assault Weapon' (1 Viewer)

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Moms who can't shoot straight + multiple assailants = arguments to ban extended capacity magazines go swirling down the toilet.

So they can miss with more bullets and increase the collateral damage? An odd argument.

This logic would lend itself to suggesting a shotgun imo.

Please provide links to some occurrences of this "collateral damage" you speak of with regards to defense against home invasion.

I agree a shotgun is ideal in this situation but the range of usefulness of an semi-auto rifle is greater than that of a Shotgun by virtue of the added range and accuracy. If one can only afford a single weapon, I cant fault the choice of a semi-auto rifle.

You suggested more bullets for someone who can't shoot straight. Accuracy of a rifle does not improve the accuracy of the shooter.

Unless you argue increased capacity magazines improve her aim, it only makes sense that more shots fired with poor aim would miss their intended target. Thus more damage to unintended targets (collateral damage).

Like I said... link to some instances of unintended shootings in home defense scenarios.

The added capacity also gives her sufficient chances to protect herself and family against multiple threats. MOST home invasion defenses require only a couple shots fired if any at all... but I'd much rather have a couple extra holes in the wall to patch, than have a parent's only means of defending their family be rendered nothing more than a paperweight because they were limited to a 5-10 round magazine.

 

[NCCommish]

Moms who can't shoot straight + multiple assailants = arguments to ban extended capacity magazines go swirling down the toilet.

So they can miss with more bullets and increase the collateral damage? An odd argument.

This logic would lend itself to suggesting a shotgun imo.

Please provide links to some occurrences of this "collateral damage" you speak of with regards to defense against home invasion.

I agree a shotgun is ideal in this situation but the range of usefulness of an semi-auto rifle is greater than that of a Shotgun by virtue of the added range and accuracy. If one can only afford a single weapon, I cant fault the choice of a semi-auto rifle.

You suggested more bullets for someone who can't shoot straight. Accuracy of a rifle does not improve the accuracy of the shooter.

Unless you argue increased capacity magazines improve her aim, it only makes sense that more shots fired with poor aim would miss their intended target. Thus more damage to unintended targets (collateral damage).

A shotgun increases margin of error... for bad aim, a shotgun makes a better argument for the basis of the argument (can't shoot straight). .

Ask most professionals and they will tell you to go with a riot gun configured shotgun for home defense. Pellets don't tend to penetrate walls. Criminals know what a pump shotgun sounds like and tend to react accordingly. It is a better choice then a rifle.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

These are the odds where? In Timmyworld ©? You completely made that stat up...

Lets see if you even know how many accidental assault gun killings we have in America every year, much less where a family member gets killed..

You are so full of ####.. Most family firearm accidents happen with pistols..

Plenty of people get shot with semi-automatic rifles kept in the home. I can post several stories of children shooting each other with them if you want the full Posty.

Plenty of people get shot with automatic rifles in the middle east, that's not what he said though..

 

[parrot]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

You got a link to the bolded? My guess would be that you are referring to home defense situations where shots are fired or where someone is even shot, ignoring the fact that in most home defense situations no shots are ever fired. Primarily because most criminals are like these guys, in search of an easy target, not a gun fight.

This lady should definitely get a shotgun instead though.

 

[matuski]

Moms who can't shoot straight + multiple assailants = arguments to ban extended capacity magazines go swirling down the toilet.

So they can miss with more bullets and increase the collateral damage? An odd argument.

This logic would lend itself to suggesting a shotgun imo.

Please provide links to some occurrences of this "collateral damage" you speak of with regards to defense against home invasion.

I agree a shotgun is ideal in this situation but the range of usefulness of an semi-auto rifle is greater than that of a Shotgun by virtue of the added range and accuracy. If one can only afford a single weapon, I cant fault the choice of a semi-auto rifle.

You suggested more bullets for someone who can't shoot straight. Accuracy of a rifle does not improve the accuracy of the shooter.

Unless you argue increased capacity magazines improve her aim, it only makes sense that more shots fired with poor aim would miss their intended target. Thus more damage to unintended targets (collateral damage).

Like I said... link to some instances of unintended shootings in home defense scenarios.

The added capacity also gives her sufficient chances to protect herself and family against multiple threats. MOST home invasion defenses require only a couple shots fired if any at all... but I'd much rather have a couple extra holes in the wall to patch, than have a parent's only means of defending their family be rendered nothing more than a paperweight because they were limited to a 5-10 round magazine.

My point was based on logic, I don't need to go looking around the internet for it to make sense.

If you can't shoot straight, more bullets = more misses. Simple enough for me... if you need more than that I'm not your guy.

I can only hope those extra holes are limited to walls...what is on the other side of those walls?

 

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that looks like shotgun of some sort

It's definitely not an M4 / AR-15 that most liberals in here wet their pants over (lacks charging handle). Looks like a fairly typical semi-auto rifle that has some scary looking rail system bolted onto it, which adds 50000% to the lethality in the mind of the ignorant.

 

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Like I stated early in the thread... a shotgun IS an ideal home defense weapon. There's no denying that.

However absent the money or options to have multiple weapons, a semi auto rifle is a more well rounded weapon (improved range and accuracy) and I cant fault people for wanting to have one for self defense.

 

[E Street Brat]

Man just straight up kicked the door open. Man, I wish I could get into that nice neighborhood.

that doesn't mean that I think it is a good idea for home owners to have assault weapons in their houses any more than I would want them to have bazookas, tanks, grenades and bombs. I would bet a rifle or shotgun would have be just as effective in this case.

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Anything capable of automatic fire.

God it amazes me how ignorant most of america is with regards to "assault rifles"...

1) That rifle wasn't automatic. It was semiautomatic... like the VAST majority of rifles, shotguns, and pistols sold today.

2) An "assault rifle" Round is a .223 caliber which is much smaller than most hunting rifle rounds. Hell you can't even use a .223 rifle for most hunting because it's considered inhumane because of it's lack of lethality.
3) An "assault rifle" round at .223 caliber also carries an extremely small "bullet" at ~62gr, compared to 150gr for 9mm or 230gr for .45ACP. Here is a graphic showing wound profiles from "Assault Rifles" (.225/5.56) when compared to pistol caliber (9mm/.45), Shotguns (12ga), or hunting rifles (.308)

That said, I'm not a fan of any rifle for home defense in a densely populated area. Too great a risk of the round escaping the immediate home area. A shotgun is by far the best choice for close quarters home defense due to it's wide spread (likely to hit target in stressed/dark situation), as well as the quick dissipation of energy (unlikely for round to penetrate neighboring house unintentionally). However, if that's what you have, I'm happy to see it put to use to protect your home against would be assailants.

Still... the willingness of so many to speak out while lacking any real understanding of the topic of "Assault Rifles" is a sad artifact of the criminally inaccurate media coverage on the topic.

Typical white people

because the rifle is black and looks scary. It must be capable of assault

 

[parrot]

that looks like shotgun of some sort

It's a Hi-Point 995 I think. 9mm, just like the handgun.

 

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I can only hope those extra holes are limited to walls...what is on the other side of those walls?

The small mass of a .223 round results in less "energy" than 00 buckshot after passing through a wall at close range.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

that looks like shotgun of some sort

I thought it did too, and I'm still not certain, but I went back and stopped the video, it could be a rifle.

The point is though, as per federal government definitions, that is an assault weapon. Pistol grip, semi auto, heat shield, tactical mounting rail..

 

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that looks like shotgun of some sort

It's a Hi-Point 995 I think. 9mm, just like the handgun.

Great eye.

So it's a long barrel pistol, essentially. Yet as usual the media and the gun grabbers are freaking out about "assault rifles"

 

[matuski]

Like I stated early in the thread... a shotgun IS an ideal home defense weapon. There's no denying that.

However absent the money or options to have multiple weapons, a semi auto rifle is a more well rounded weapon (improved range and accuracy) and I cant fault people for wanting to have one for self defense.

Yeah I have no issue with guns.. I took issue with recommending more bullets for someone who can't shoot straight. I thought a shotgun made more sense.. instead of increasing capacity increase margin for error.

 

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The point is though, as per federal government definitions, that is an assault weapon. Pistol grip, semi auto, heat shield, tactical mounting rail..

Which goes to show how stupid the federal definition is seeing as none of those things impact lethality.... and this actually doesn't even chamber rifle rounds..it shoots pistol ammo.

Reason #5029 intelligent people fight back when ignorant legislators try to make laws about things they don't understand.

 

[tdoss]

I love the reporters unbiased report..."young punks" "thugs" "low-lifes"

Yea, they are obviously well mannered gentlemen...

That's not the point, editorializing such things is something that is becoming more and more common for no particular reason. It goes without saying they are punks and low-lifes, the viewer is being given the opinion which they should be formulating themselves.

I thought "thugs" was the new "n-word".

 

[NCCommish]

Like I stated early in the thread... a shotgun IS an ideal home defense weapon. There's no denying that.

However absent the money or options to have multiple weapons, a semi auto rifle is a more well rounded weapon (improved range and accuracy) and I cant fault people for wanting to have one for self defense.

How much range do you need in the average house? Isn't actually hitting the target more important than being able to miss at longer distances?

 

[NCCommish]

The point is though, as per federal government definitions, that is an assault weapon. Pistol grip, semi auto, heat shield, tactical mounting rail..

Which goes to show how stupid the federal definition is seeing as none of those things impact lethality.... and this actually doesn't even chamber rifle rounds..it shoots pistol ammo.

Reason #5029 intelligent people fight back when ignorant legislators try to make laws about things they don't understand.

Since when is 9 mm only pistol ammo?

 

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Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

According to a United States Department of Justice report:• 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

• 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break­in or home invasion.
• Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
• According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.

bump for timmay

 

[Carolina Hustler]

that looks like shotgun of some sort

It's a Hi-Point 995 I think. 9mm, just like the handgun.

Great eye.

So it's a long barrel pistol, essentially. Yet as usual the media and the gun grabbers are freaking out about "assault rifles"

Easy now, that picture is going to offend some of our liberals here...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The point is though, as per federal government definitions, that is an assault weapon. Pistol grip, semi auto, heat shield, tactical mounting rail..

Which goes to show how stupid the federal definition is seeing as none of those things impact lethality.... and this actually doesn't even chamber rifle rounds..it shoots pistol ammo.

Reason #5029 intelligent people fight back when ignorant legislators try to make laws about things they don't understand.

Since when is 9 mm only pistol ammo?

since it was designed to be fired from a pistol?

 

[matuski]

that looks like shotgun of some sort

It's a Hi-Point 995 I think. 9mm, just like the handgun.

Great eye.

So it's a long barrel pistol, essentially. Yet as usual the media and the gun grabbers are freaking out about "assault rifles"

Easy now, that picture is going to offend some of our liberals here...

These mindless posts are why nobody is engaging you here, why you have to piggy back on other people engaging each other.

 

[NCCommish]

The point is though, as per federal government definitions, that is an assault weapon. Pistol grip, semi auto, heat shield, tactical mounting rail..

Which goes to show how stupid the federal definition is seeing as none of those things impact lethality.... and this actually doesn't even chamber rifle rounds..it shoots pistol ammo.

Reason #5029 intelligent people fight back when ignorant legislators try to make laws about things they don't understand.

Since when is 9 mm only pistol ammo?

since it was designed to be fired from a pistol?

And yet is used as in the assault rifles of most of our NATO allies. So maybe it isn't "just"pistol ammo.

 

[E Street Brat]

that looks like shotgun of some sort

It's a Hi-Point 995 I think. 9mm, just like the handgun.

Great eye.

So it's a long barrel pistol, essentially. Yet as usual the media and the gun grabbers are freaking out about "assault rifles"

That's pretty sweet. I might get one of those.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

that looks like shotgun of some sort

It's a Hi-Point 995 I think. 9mm, just like the handgun.

Great eye.

So it's a long barrel pistol, essentially. Yet as usual the media and the gun grabbers are freaking out about "assault rifles"

Easy now, that picture is going to offend some of our liberals here...

These mindless posts are why nobody is engaging you here, why you have to piggy back on other people engaging each other.

ffendedliberal:

 

[NCCommish]

that looks like shotgun of some sort

It's a Hi-Point 995 I think. 9mm, just like the handgun.

Great eye.

So it's a long barrel pistol, essentially. Yet as usual the media and the gun grabbers are freaking out about "assault rifles"

Easy now, that picture is going to offend some of our liberals here...

These mindless posts are why nobody is engaging you here, why you have to piggy back on other people engaging each other.

ffendedliberal:

If you go back and read his posts Mr.Nugent you'll see he isn't one of the people you are supposed to hate.

 

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The point is though, as per federal government definitions, that is an assault weapon. Pistol grip, semi auto, heat shield, tactical mounting rail..

Which goes to show how stupid the federal definition is seeing as none of those things impact lethality.... and this actually doesn't even chamber rifle rounds..it shoots pistol ammo.

Reason #5029 intelligent people fight back when ignorant legislators try to make laws about things they don't understand.

Since when is 9 mm only pistol ammo?

It is a pistol round by design. The fact that some carbine style rifles are now chambered in this round doesn't change that. The dramatic difference between what is characterized as a "handgun" round vs a "rifle" round can be found by starting to look at the kinetic energy of the round. a 115gr 9mm JHP round carries about 420lbft of energy, compared to a standard .308 hunting round which carries 2600+ ft lb of energy.

For starters.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

According to a United States Department of Justice report:• 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

• 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break­in or home invasion.
• Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
• According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.

bump for timmay

You'd have to remove every instance in which the home was unoccupied or the home was occupied with a gun owner and that person was nevertheless unable to defend the home from invasion before your numbers were relevant to counter Tim's point.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

that looks like shotgun of some sort

It's a Hi-Point 995 I think. 9mm, just like the handgun.

Great eye.

So it's a long barrel pistol, essentially. Yet as usual the media and the gun grabbers are freaking out about "assault rifles"

Easy now, that picture is going to offend some of our liberals here...

These mindless posts are why nobody is engaging you here, why you have to piggy back on other people engaging each other.

ffendedliberal:

If you go back and read his posts Mr.Nugent you'll see he isn't one of the people you are supposed to hate.

I've read enough of his posts in the last several years to know his position on firearms.. Thanks for the help though Senator Feinstein.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

You got a link to the bolded? My guess would be that you are referring to home defense situations where shots are fired or where someone is even shot, ignoring the fact that in most home defense situations no shots are ever fired. Primarily because most criminals are like these guys, in search of an easy target, not a gun fight.

This lady should definitely get a shotgun instead though.

You have exactly a ZERO percent chance of Tim ever posting a link to support one of his "factual" assertions.

 

[parrot]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

You got a link to the bolded? My guess would be that you are referring to home defense situations where shots are fired or where someone is even shot, ignoring the fact that in most home defense situations no shots are ever fired. Primarily because most criminals are like these guys, in search of an easy target, not a gun fight.

This lady should definitely get a shotgun instead though.

You have exactly a ZERO percent chance of Tim ever posting a link to support one of his "factual" assertions.

Hey Strike.

Yeah, I wasn't holding my breath there.

 

[NCCommish]

The point is though, as per federal government definitions, that is an assault weapon. Pistol grip, semi auto, heat shield, tactical mounting rail..

Which goes to show how stupid the federal definition is seeing as none of those things impact lethality.... and this actually doesn't even chamber rifle rounds..it shoots pistol ammo.

Reason #5029 intelligent people fight back when ignorant legislators try to make laws about things they don't understand.

Since when is 9 mm only pistol ammo?

It is a pistol round by design. The fact that some carbine style rifles are now chambered in this round doesn't change that. The dramatic difference between what is characterized as a "handgun" round vs a "rifle" round can be found by starting to look at the kinetic energy of the round. a 115gr 9mm JHP round carries about 420lbft of energy, compared to a standard .308 hunting round which carries 2600+ ft lb of energy.

For starters.

I would say categorizing something as strictly a pistol round when it is used in military assault rifles the world over is a bit silly.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The point is though, as per federal government definitions, that is an assault weapon. Pistol grip, semi auto, heat shield, tactical mounting rail..

Which goes to show how stupid the federal definition is seeing as none of those things impact lethality.... and this actually doesn't even chamber rifle rounds..it shoots pistol ammo.

Reason #5029 intelligent people fight back when ignorant legislators try to make laws about things they don't understand.

Since when is 9 mm only pistol ammo?

since it was designed to be fired from a pistol?

And yet is used as in the assault rifles of most of our NATO allies. So maybe it isn't "just"pistol ammo.

That doesn't change the design of the round, or how lethal it is.. Btw the primary Nato rifle round is going to be either the 5.56, or the 7.62

 

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Since when is 9 mm only pistol ammo?

since it was designed to be fired from a pistol?

And yet is used as in the assault rifles of most of our NATO allies. So maybe it isn't "just"pistol ammo.

What?

From what I understand NATO rifle ammo is OVERWHELMINGLY (possibly exclusively) 7.62 or 5.56. In fact I'm unaware of the 9mm round used in this incident being approved for use in ANY NATO scenarios.

I know you have some military background from (notebook) so could you provide some examples of the 9mm round being deployed in NATO "assault rifle" scenarios "the world over"? Thanks.

 

[matuski]

that looks like shotgun of some sort

It's a Hi-Point 995 I think. 9mm, just like the handgun.

Great eye.

So it's a long barrel pistol, essentially. Yet as usual the media and the gun grabbers are freaking out about "assault rifles"

Easy now, that picture is going to offend some of our liberals here...

These mindless posts are why nobody is engaging you here, why you have to piggy back on other people engaging each other.

ffendedliberal:

If you go back and read his posts Mr.Nugent you'll see he isn't one of the people you are supposed to hate.

I've read enough of his posts in the last several years to know his position on firearms..

Apparently not. I own a handful of guns (Shotgun, Carbine, handguns).

Like I said... mindless.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The point is though, as per federal government definitions, that is an assault weapon. Pistol grip, semi auto, heat shield, tactical mounting rail..

Which goes to show how stupid the federal definition is seeing as none of those things impact lethality.... and this actually doesn't even chamber rifle rounds..it shoots pistol ammo.

Reason #5029 intelligent people fight back when ignorant legislators try to make laws about things they don't understand.

Since when is 9 mm only pistol ammo?

It is a pistol round by design. The fact that some carbine style rifles are now chambered in this round doesn't change that. The dramatic difference between what is characterized as a "handgun" round vs a "rifle" round can be found by starting to look at the kinetic energy of the round. a 115gr 9mm JHP round carries about 420lbft of energy, compared to a standard .308 hunting round which carries 2600+ ft lb of energy.

For starters.

I would say categorizing something as strictly a pistol round when it is used in military assault rifles the world over is a bit silly.

lol.. where do you get this stuff

Anyone who knows guns knows the 9mm is categorized as a pistol round

 

[StrikeS2k]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

You got a link to the bolded? My guess would be that you are referring to home defense situations where shots are fired or where someone is even shot, ignoring the fact that in most home defense situations no shots are ever fired. Primarily because most criminals are like these guys, in search of an easy target, not a gun fight.

This lady should definitely get a shotgun instead though.

You have exactly a ZERO percent chance of Tim ever posting a link to support one of his "factual" assertions.

Hey Strike.

Yeah, I wasn't holding my breath there.

Hi Parrot

I figured you weren't holding your breath. You've been around here long enough. Tim is like the dumber TorridJoe. He also believes that being here illegally is not a crime.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

that looks like shotgun of some sort

It's a Hi-Point 995 I think. 9mm, just like the handgun.

Great eye.

So it's a long barrel pistol, essentially. Yet as usual the media and the gun grabbers are freaking out about "assault rifles"

Easy now, that picture is going to offend some of our liberals here...

These mindless posts are why nobody is engaging you here, why you have to piggy back on other people engaging each other.

ffendedliberal:

If you go back and read his posts Mr.Nugent you'll see he isn't one of the people you are supposed to hate.

I've read enough of his posts in the last several years to know his position on firearms..

Apparently not. I own a handful of guns (Shotgun, Carbine, handguns).

Like I said... mindless.

O' so now you're anti-gun control...

 

[Al Czervik]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

According to a United States Department of Justice report:• 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

• 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break­in or home invasion.
• Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
• According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.

Not sure why, but reading this post in my head was like the part of the Queensryche "Empire" song where they rattle off stats.

Oh, and I'd like to have secks with Carolyn Clifford.

That's all I've got. Carry on.

 

[matuski]

that looks like shotgun of some sort

It's a Hi-Point 995 I think. 9mm, just like the handgun.

Great eye.

So it's a long barrel pistol, essentially. Yet as usual the media and the gun grabbers are freaking out about "assault rifles"

Easy now, that picture is going to offend some of our liberals here...

These mindless posts are why nobody is engaging you here, why you have to piggy back on other people engaging each other.

ffendedliberal:

If you go back and read his posts Mr.Nugent you'll see he isn't one of the people you are supposed to hate.

I've read enough of his posts in the last several years to know his position on firearms..

Apparently not. I own a handful of guns (Shotgun, Carbine, handguns).

Like I said... mindless.

O' so now you're anti-gun control...

I was just trying to help.

Put some effort into it and you won't have to try so hard to insert your trolling posts into other people's conversations. Good luck.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I was just trying to help.

Put some effort into it and you won't have to try so hard to insert your trolling posts into other people's conversations. Good luck.

Like I said... ffendedliberal:

 

[FigJam]

I love the reporters unbiased report..."young punks" "thugs" "low-lifes"

Yea, they are obviously well mannered gentlemen...

That's not the point, editorializing such things is something that is becoming more and more common for no particular reason. It goes without saying they are punks and low-lifes, the viewer is being given the opinion which they should be formulating themselves.

This is seriously what you took away from this story?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I love the reporters unbiased report..."young punks" "thugs" "low-lifes"

Yea, they are obviously well mannered gentlemen...

That's not the point, editorializing such things is something that is becoming more and more common for no particular reason. It goes without saying they are punks and low-lifes, the viewer is being given the opinion which they should be formulating themselves.

This is seriously what you took away from this story?

My comment was not about the incident, but how it was editorialized and delivered to viewers.

 

[Clifford]

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/02/116298-watch-heat-packing-mom-makes-home-invaders-turn-around-soon-enter/

Gun debate in the FFA ensues...

I like to hear the anti-gun crowds opinion of this event..

Not a peep from MSNBC...

Good for her. She used a gun in a completely appropriate way and it helped her defend her home. Had she not had a gun she very likely would have lost her life and the lives of her children would have been in danger.

Probably a good thing she didn't hit her intruders as I have heard some of a few cases where home intruders were able to sue the home owners for personal injury incurred while robbing the home.

 

[Clifford]

Thank goodness she wasn't restricted to any of the other guns which don't work for home defense.

I think it is awesome that she was able to defend her home from these pieces of crap but that doesn't mean that I think it is a good idea for home owners to have assault weapons in their houses any more than I would want them to have bazookas, tanks, grenades and bombs. I would bet a rifle or shotgun would have be just as effective in this case.

There is no point in arguing about it since neither one of us is going to change each others mind.

Not so sure this is the best example of that. This was a women protecting herself and her young children against 3 armed intruders. Why should we assume a lesser weapon would have been enough? Did you watch the video? One idiot even makes a second attempt to go into the home.

Truth is if she had a shotgun she would have had a better chance at injuring one of the intruders which could lead to one of those kooky lawsuits. The gun scared them enough to cause them to run, even the POS with the gun, and now all three are in law enforcement hands.

The fact that the weapon she was using was not ideal actually worked in her favor.

 

[Clifford]

that looks like shotgun of some sort

It's a Hi-Point 995 I think. 9mm, just like the handgun.

Great eye.

So it's a long barrel pistol, essentially. Yet as usual the media and the gun grabbers are freaking out about "assault rifles"

All we've seen thus far is one local report and the people on this thread. This = media and the gun grabbers are freaking out?

 

[fatness]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

According to a United States Department of Justice report:• 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

• 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break­in or home invasion.
• Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
• According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.

Do you have a direct link to that report? I've seen those numbers on various sites, called DOJ report numbers or FBI numbers, but I've not turned up a link to the report. I did find a site calling the numbers "bogus information", so if you've got a link I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

that looks like shotgun of some sort

It's a Hi-Point 995 I think. 9mm, just like the handgun.

Great eye.

So it's a long barrel pistol, essentially. Yet as usual the media and the gun grabbers are freaking out about "assault rifles"

All we've seen thus far is one local report and the people on this thread. This = media and the gun grabbers are freaking out?

They aren't freaking out about this story, they freak out over ridiculous accessories, and colors, etc..

The main stream media, and anti-gun crowd avoid stories like this, because it doesn't fit their narrative..

 

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Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

According to a United States Department of Justice report:• 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

• 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break­in or home invasion.
• Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
• According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.

Do you have a direct link to that report? I've seen those numbers on various sites, called DOJ report numbers or FBI numbers, but I've not turned up a link to the report. I did find a site calling the numbers "bogus information", so if you've got a link I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

They were from a similar graphic so if the numbers are exaggerated I apologize. They sourced FBI but the link appears to simply to be to the homepage. Regardless I'd wager good money that the odds of being confronted with a home invasion is INFINITELY higher than Tim's claim that it's comparable to "winning the lottery several times in a year"

 

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Since when is 9 mm only pistol ammo?

since it was designed to be fired from a pistol?

And yet is used as in the assault rifles of most of our NATO allies. So maybe it isn't "just"pistol ammo.

What?

From what I understand NATO rifle ammo is OVERWHELMINGLY (possibly exclusively) 7.62 or 5.56. In fact I'm unaware of the 9mm round used in this incident being approved for use in ANY NATO scenarios.

I know you have some military background from (notebook) so could you provide some examples of the 9mm round being deployed in NATO "assault rifle" scenarios "the world over"? Thanks.

Yeah not sure what I was thinking but I was uneqiuvocally wrong, my bad. I haven't really looked into for a while but I remember a few years ago everyone was developing 9mm assault weapons. FN was leading the charge and I could have sworn many of the NATO countries started using their light assault rifles. Add in the Israelis doing some 9 mm development and I guess I though it went further than it did. Again my apologies I try to do better than that and usually do.

 

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But... But.. They were just kids!

Good for her. I wouldn't bet my life on a Hi-Point, but that's just me being a gun snob.

Joe Biden did say she should have used a double barrel shot gun. Just rip off a few shells in the air when they started making noise.