Da Guru
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Too bad Romine can`t hit a lick. I like the way he plays the game. Maybe not next year but still think Suarez has a nice future ahead of him in MLB.
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***Detroit Tigers thread: 1st pick yet again, this is not fun*** (1 Viewer)
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Doctor Detroit
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Looking for a LOOGY and probably another reliever of some sort on a minor league deal.Da Guru said:
Not sure what is gonna happen with Max, seems like Diamondbacks and Tigers are the two teams at this point.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Yankees bailed on Max. Market is getting smaller but if the price is going down more teams may have some interest.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Happy 80th birthday, Al Kaline.
I think Max's dream of $200 mil is out of the realm of possibilities. It will be north of the $144 the Tigers offered last year. My guess is either $180 million over 7 or $170 million over 6.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Boras doesn't blink. This is going to be a train wreck for Max. Shields hasn't even signed yet. My guess is either the Tigers fork over an extra 20 or 30 just to nudge him over Lester or he sits blowing in the wind until mid way through Spring to get a high yield short term deal. If he's really stubborn I could see him holding out into next year to try and get the contract he wants. Right now the market is saturated. It will be less so when injuries and desperation set in.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Maybe teams are starting to wise up and realize that 6-7 years deals for pitchers on the wrong side of 30 do not work. Even when the Tigers offered 6 years you have to think the last three would be mediocre at best.
Doctor Detroit
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I think Max has a chance to have those last three years be above average with his control and raw talent, he's also one of the best students of the game. His buddy Verlander probably has hurt him some though, but he'll end up getting a ton of money from someone.Da Guru said:
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Boston writer: Tigers 'need' Scherzer; he'll re-sign
By Anthony Fenech, Detroit Free Press
Ask people where they think Max Scherzer will end up, and the answer across the board is Detroit.
This coming from the Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo, who wrote in his Sunday notes column that the more he asks baseball executives where the free-agent right-hander will end up, the more the answers come back to the Tigers.
"The Tigers know and like Scherzer," Cafardo writes. "And the feeling is they need him after trading Rick Porcello to the Red Sox, and obtaining Alfredo Simon from the Reds and Shane Greene from the Yankees."
Simon, the Tigers say, is currently in their five-man starting rotation. Greene, too.
But that could all change if the team's pursuit of Scherzer, classified as "not active" by president and general manager Dave Dombrowski recently at the MLB winter meetings, picks up.
"The Tigers' rotation is missing a significant pitcher," Cafardo writes. "You can't call Justin Verlander that anymore, and David Price may not re-sign."
FREEP
Jim Bowden: Max Scherzer most likely to sign with Detroit Tigers
And most signs continue to point at Scherzer as that significant pitcher.
The 30-year-old went 18-5 with a 3.15 ERA last season. He struck out 252 batters in 2201/3 innings and finished fifth in American League Cy Young voting, one season after he won the award in 2013.
Two potential suitors, the Giants and the Yankees, recently acquired starting pitchers. San Francisco signed Jake Peavy for two years and $12 million, and New York traded for Nate Eovaldi from the Marlins.
And Giants general manager Brian Sabean said the team has no plans to pursue Scherzer and Yankees president Randy Levine characterized the team's chances of bringing him aboard as "virtually none."
The Tigers have proved they can afford a chunk of change with Scherzer's name on it. Last spring, they offered him a seven-year, $160-million contract extension.
But this winter, the dollar amount will have to be greater.
How much greater, and how much higher than Jon Lester's six-year, $155-million contract with the Cubs earlier in December, is still unknown.
Executives Cafardo talked to said they think Scherzer's deal will be taller than Lester's but "well short" of $200 million.
And though his market remains to be seen, the void in a once-vaunted Tigers' rotation is in plain sight.
By Anthony Fenech, Detroit Free Press
Ask people where they think Max Scherzer will end up, and the answer across the board is Detroit.
This coming from the Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo, who wrote in his Sunday notes column that the more he asks baseball executives where the free-agent right-hander will end up, the more the answers come back to the Tigers.
"The Tigers know and like Scherzer," Cafardo writes. "And the feeling is they need him after trading Rick Porcello to the Red Sox, and obtaining Alfredo Simon from the Reds and Shane Greene from the Yankees."
Simon, the Tigers say, is currently in their five-man starting rotation. Greene, too.
But that could all change if the team's pursuit of Scherzer, classified as "not active" by president and general manager Dave Dombrowski recently at the MLB winter meetings, picks up.
"The Tigers' rotation is missing a significant pitcher," Cafardo writes. "You can't call Justin Verlander that anymore, and David Price may not re-sign."
FREEP
Jim Bowden: Max Scherzer most likely to sign with Detroit Tigers
And most signs continue to point at Scherzer as that significant pitcher.
The 30-year-old went 18-5 with a 3.15 ERA last season. He struck out 252 batters in 2201/3 innings and finished fifth in American League Cy Young voting, one season after he won the award in 2013.
Two potential suitors, the Giants and the Yankees, recently acquired starting pitchers. San Francisco signed Jake Peavy for two years and $12 million, and New York traded for Nate Eovaldi from the Marlins.
And Giants general manager Brian Sabean said the team has no plans to pursue Scherzer and Yankees president Randy Levine characterized the team's chances of bringing him aboard as "virtually none."
The Tigers have proved they can afford a chunk of change with Scherzer's name on it. Last spring, they offered him a seven-year, $160-million contract extension.
But this winter, the dollar amount will have to be greater.
How much greater, and how much higher than Jon Lester's six-year, $155-million contract with the Cubs earlier in December, is still unknown.
Executives Cafardo talked to said they think Scherzer's deal will be taller than Lester's but "well short" of $200 million.
And though his market remains to be seen, the void in a once-vaunted Tigers' rotation is in plain sight.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I just don't see it. He already rejected what I think it the best offer they could give. They're at the threshold for the luxury tax. The Porcello trade is sort of a wash as he too would be heading for FA. I get Justin regressed last year but I don't see the desperation. If they were desperate they had a lot of long shot options they could have pushed harder for at a much cheaper cost.
Doctor Detroit
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WTF is Max doing?
Patiently waitng for someone to step up to the plate with at least $180 million. It seems too many people doubt that a pitcher on the wrong side of 30 is worth it. I think the Yankees are his really only hope for that kind of money. If not, it maybe back to the Tigers for about $165.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I hope Detroit is playing chicken because if someone offers him more than what they did they're right to let him walk anyway.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Shields is looking for a 5 year deal but will be lucky to get a 4 year deal at 34 years of age. Think most teams are looking at 3 years on Shields. So that should not impact Max at all.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
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Tom Gorzelanny inked to a one year deal. Run, don't walk to get in line for World Series tickets.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Tigers Sign Tom Gorzelanny, Designate Luke Putkonen
By Jeff Todd [January 6, 2015 at 10:10am CST]
The Tigers have signed lefty swingman Tom Gorzelanny to a one-year deal, the team announced. To create roster space, right-hander Luke Putkonen was designated for assignment, MLB.com’s Jason Beck tweets.
Gorzelanny threw well last year for the Brewers in limited action. After returning from shoulder surgery, the 32-year-old put up a stellar 0.86 ERA in 21 innings of work. Interestingly, of the 23 games in which he appeared, Milwaukee went on to win only two. That, along with his limited workload, demonstrates that his former club was handling him quite delicately.
Detroit will hope that Gorzelanny can return to being a workhorse long man and spot starter, as he had been previously. Over parts of ten MLB seasons, Gorzelanny owns a 4.27 ERA with 7.2 K/9 against 3.8 BB/9. As one would expect, he has been much stingier against lefties, holding them to a .661 OPS (versus a .780 lifetime mark for opposing right-handed hitters). Likewise, the southpaw has been much better when working out of the pen, where he owns a 2.88 ERA in 171 2/3 career frames.
Meanwhile, the 28-year-old Putkonen missed most of last season after suffering a bone spur in his right elbow, which ultimately require surgery. He had thrown 29 2/3 promising innings at the major league level the year prior, working to a 3.03 ERA with 8.5 K/9 against 2.7 BB/9. Putkonen had been on an upward trajectory after transitioning from a starting role, and his mid-90s heater (when healthy) should draw plenty of interest around the league.
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Da Guru
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
So Drew goes to the Yankees on a one year 5m deal. What does Scott Boras say? "Sorry I overplayed your hand?" Drew turned down the 14.1m qualifying offer from the RedSox, then passed up a number of 3 year deals in the 25 million range. To play half a season last year and have his value drop even more.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Slow week so how about some recent baseball history to fill the time:
May 2, 1881: While baseball in Detroit has been traced to the 1850s, the first major league game is played at Recreation Park, in the heart of what is now Detroit's Medical Center. Buffalo wins, 6-5, in front of 1,265 fans. Detroit, nicknamed the Wolverines, is a member of the National League.
1895: After being referred to variously as the Wolverines and the Creams, Detroit's team is dubbed the Tigers in articles appearing in the Detroit Free Press. "Tigers" most likely is borrowed from the nickname given to the Detroit Light Guard, a militia unit that had been the city's pride and joy since the Civil War. The team officially adopts the name upon entry into the American League in 1901.
April 25, 1901: In their first game as a charter member of the fledgling American League, the Tigers stage perhaps the greatest comeback in franchise history by scoring 10 runs in the ninth inning to beat Milwaukee, 14-13. The game is played in front of 10,023 fans at Bennett Park at the corner of Michigan and Trumbull — the site where Tigers baseball would be played for the next 98 years.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
He's not Max but would still be ok:
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2015/01/16/detroit-tigers-james-shields/21874973/
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2015/01/16/detroit-tigers-james-shields/21874973/
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Tigers sign Price to record one-year deal.
Doctor Detroit
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I think his estimated value was right around $19 million, so he got a few hundo extra.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Do Not WantLeroy Hoard said:
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Could just be a leverage ploy to make Max's people come back with a better offer.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Dodged a bullet. They need to press hard for Price.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
thanks for the years Max, you gambled on yourself and won. 70 million bucks is nothing to sneeze at
Doctor Detroit
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Exactly. Love Max and now he's with my local team, so I won't lose contact.
I'm glad the Tigers didn't spend that kind of loot though, I think it would have ended badly even if Max pitches well (which I think he will).
Doctor Detroit
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I have a feeling there is still one more move to be made. I guess I'll wait before giving my final verdict.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Greene/Simon << Porcello/Smyly... DD seems to think that Cespedes is a major upgrade over Torii, I didn't care about Torii not coming back but I don't see this as a massive upgrade. Hopefully Iglesias is healthy and Castallanos defense has improved to at least mediocrity. I think they're a little worse than last year but it's not like the Twins, Royals or Indians improved. ChiSox did invest a lot of money into their team so I think they are the big threat.
Starting Pitching is still very good just not awesome. But as awesome as last years staff was, it was still disappointing. Max is pitching better than anyone left, so there is really no replacing him. This years rotation is definitely not as good as last years, but there is room for better and more cosistant performances. So the overall performance may not go down that much. I think we have a pretty good handle on what Verlander, Price, and Sanchez will give us. The real wild cards are Greene and Simon. Greene has nice upside potential being fairly young. Simon is 34 in May but only has one solid season (last year). Not sure there is much upside, but if he can produce similar numbers, he will be a great #4/5 guy.
Bullpen can only get better, we hope. Rondon should be healthy. Soria should be healthier and better. Nathan, who knows.
The only thing this team is missing on offense is a real leadoff hitter. But 2-6 is the best in baseball. Offensively, we should be better than last year. Cabrera put up awesome numbers despite a very serious injury. In some ways it was his most impressive season being able to produce that much.while in incredible pain. A healthy Cabrera is MVP again. Defensively, outfield and infield should be better, especially at SS and CF.
Overall, last years team was slightly better on paper. But I really think this years team is capable of winning more games. Third base coach needs to be reminded Caberra or VMart do not score from first unless the ball clears the fense. The team ran into way too many outs last year. I like agressive running, but some of it was just stupid.
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MAC_32
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Depth, still a big problem. Bullpen too. I'm all for the quantity over quality route when it comes to constructing the pen, but this team has neither. I'm a little salty we couldn't get more for Porcello, but maybe we will cash in on Cespedes and the contract year motivation. I like the Greene move. Not the Simon move. I'll miss Max, but not at that contract. The Victor contract has me queezy, but after seeing the money paid out by everyone in December if we let Victor go we were paying for someone else or settling for being worse this year. The LaRoche deal would have been easier to swallow though. Speaking of queezy, there really aren't built in backup plans for Iggy, Avila, and JD. Gulp. Again, depth. Ugh.
Last, Rajai/Gose are far from a good cf platoon, but what they offer as far as late innings options is something this team has badly missed over the last half decade (plus?).
There are some pieces about this team I really like, more than previous versions, but I'm having a hard time envisioning the perfect storm coming together to get this team to compete for a title. Let alone the division as all of the non Minnesota teams are getting better.
Porcello never attracted much interest. He was very consistant at being good, but never showed signs of being great. I just think no one saw an upside to him. A really good guy to have as a #4 or #5 guy, but that is about it. Maybe a change of scenery can lift him to find another level.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I actually think this team as it is right now, is better constructed for the postseason. Getting there will be the battle as the rest of the field seems to be catching up.
Doctor Detroit
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The more I learn about Simon, the more I think it is risky counting on him as a starter. He is a better fit for the bullpen. He had an awesome first half of the season, but after the All-Star break, he sucked ###. He has not shown the ability to be a workhorse. Spot starter/bullpen is where he belongs.
Doctor Detroit
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He pitched like a #2 starter at times last year and he sucked some too. Sounds like a #5 starter to me.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I keep seeing him listed #4, but #5/bullpen seems to be the spot for him. I like Greene as a #4 better, I think the change in ballparks will do him good based on his home/away splits last year.He pitched like a #2 starter at times last year and he sucked some too. Sounds like a #5 starter to me.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Probably due to innings. Both are likely to have spots in the rotation skipped at some point anyway. Greene's topped out at 154.1 innings, but those were just at A+ and AA. Only 145 last year between AAA and the show. Simon did 196.1 last year, but he hit that wall in the second half and since he'd never done more than 133.2 before and that was back in 2011 it's easy to say it's because of fatigue.I keep seeing him listed #4, but #5/bullpen seems to be the spot for him. I like Greene as a #4 better, I think the change in ballparks will do him good based on his home/away splits last year.He pitched like a #2 starter at times last year and he sucked some too. Sounds like a #5 starter to me.
