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***Detroit Tigers thread: 1st pick yet again, this is not fun*** (1 Viewer)

Greco said:
Ridiculous what they put me through. I'm too old for this ####.
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I'm looking more like Leyland every day. I had to shave my beard because it turned white. Curiously, my mustache is darker than my (full) head of hair.

I hear ya, brother. But I get so stressed at work I can't get too worked up about these guys. They are simultaneously the most successful and most frustrating Tigers team of my life. '68, '72, '84, '87, '06 - 2 of those were dominant and the other three were a mild surprise. The lean years (or decades) in between made each one special. The three years they didn't take the title were two amazing pennant races and a total surprise WS appearance after blowing the division lead.

Four years in a row? That's a helluva run in today's sports world even if they do pull a Buffalo Bills finish again.

 
I was at the Nats game getting updates on the game from Greco.

There was a lot of swearing and lamp throwing (on that end).

Ausmus has no idea how to handle the pitching staff, that just makes the bullpen worse than it really is. How you leave Price in there after Konerko got a hit is mind-boggling.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
I was at the Nats game getting updates on the game from Greco.

There was a lot of swearing and lamp throwing (on that end).

Ausmus has no idea how to handle the pitching staff, that just makes the bullpen worse than it really is. How you leave Price in there after Konerko got a hit is mind-boggling.
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I've definitely thought that more than once this year. I wish he had a quicker hook, especially with JV & Price. Max often pitches his way out of jams. Still scratching my head over what he thinks should be Soria's role.

I passed up Jim Beam Suite tickets to have drinks with a new gal. I'm ambivalent about Jeter, and now I got a date lined up for the weekend (single dad milestone, gents).

Magic numbers are 2 and 5. Royals magic number is three to get in, seven to win the division outright. This could get ridiculous if DET KC OAK are all tied:

Two-Club Tie for Division Championship and Wild Card:

One tiebreak game will be played on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively) to determine the Division Champion. The loser of the game will be declared a Wild Card. Home field advantage will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker.

Two-Club Tie for Division Championship & Tie with Club Outside Division For One Wild Card Spot:

1. One tiebreak game will be played on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively) to determine the Division Champion. Home field advantage will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker.

2. A second tiebreak game will be played on Friday, October 5th (tentatively) between the loser of the game to determine the Division Champion and the team from the other division at the ballpark of the team in the other division to determine the Wild Card.
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So if I'm reading that correctly, Detroit gets the home field for the division playoff, and the loser goes out to Oakland to playoff for the. 2nd WC? Then those two WC teams play again?

ETA: That can't be right. It's late and I'm tired...

 
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OK OK OK I TOTALLY GOT THIS ONE....

Two-Club Tie for Division Championship & Tie with Club Outside Division For Two Wild Card Spots:

One tiebreak game will be played on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively) to determine the Division Champion. Home field advantage will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker. The loser of the game and the team from the other division will both be declared Wild Cards. Home field advantage in the Wild Card game will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker.
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So if DET KC OAK all finish with the same record, KC travels to Detroit (Tigers won the season series) for a 1 game playoff to decide the Central division.

The loser is the #1 WC and hosts the A's since both won the season series against Oakland.

 
BobbyLayne said:
OK OK OK I TOTALLY GOT THIS ONE....

Two-Club Tie for Division Championship & Tie with Club Outside Division For Two Wild Card Spots:

One tiebreak game will be played on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively) to determine the Division Champion. Home field advantage will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker. The loser of the game and the team from the other division will both be declared Wild Cards. Home field advantage in the Wild Card game will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker.
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So if DET KC OAK all finish with the same record, KC travels to Detroit (Tigers won the season series) for a 1 game playoff to decide the Central division.

The loser is the #1 WC and hosts the A's since both won the season series against Oakland.
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Assuming Seattle does not jump up and tie with the Tigers and Royals, with Oakland having the #1WC spot. There is the potential for three one-game series (Tie-breaker game for Division, tie-breaker game for WC#2 spot, then Wild Card game.) KC might have the potential to be on the road for all three of those games. That is a ridiculous setup.

 
Tough one this noon - going up against Sale, which the Sox have said is his last start of the year (so he won't face KC this weekend). Sale got rocked last outing ...hopefully that's an indication he's tired here at season-end. JV ...time to up your game again. I want this one game lead going into the final series.

 
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Tough one this noon - going up against Sale, which the Sox have said is his last start of the year (so he won't face KC this weekend). Sale got rocked last outing ...hopefully that's an indication he's tired here at season-end. JV ...time to up your game again. I want this one game lead going into the final series.
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Standard small sample size caveats, but several of our guys have been successful vs. Sale. Miggy, Rajai, Kinsler, Hunter, and especially Victor have 780+ OPS vs. him, minimum 10 AB's.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
I was at the Nats game getting updates on the game from Greco.

There was a lot of swearing and lamp throwing (on that end).

Ausmus has no idea how to handle the pitching staff, that just makes the bullpen worse than it really is. How you leave Price in there after Konerko got a hit is mind-boggling.
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Exactly. Most managers would let the starter go back out in the 9th and try to finish and if they have a clean inning they can finish. First hit or walk though and they are done. When Ausmus came out to the mound you could see he was very indecisive. Price just shooed him away. The other reason according to Dan Dickerson is that Joey Nathan does not like coming into the game unless he starts the 9th. This drives me nuts. Then have Soria warmed up and ready and screw Nathan.

The way the Sox played the last inning is why I love baseball. An NBA team would have tanked and lost by 30. MLB is a stat driven game and players never give at the plate up no matter what the situation. Another double, run scored, RBI is always wanted to boost the bottom line.

 
The worst travel nightmare is that KC could have 5 road games in 5 days all in different cities.

Sept 28....Finish up season at Chi Sox

Sept 29....Tie-Break game for Division at Det

Sept 30....Tie-Break game for WC at Sea

Oct. 1.......Wild Card game at Oak

Oct. 2......Divisional Series at LAA

That is just nuts. They are only saved by the fact the last three games are at least all on the same coast.

 
jon_mx said:
The worst travel nightmare is that KC could have 5 road games in 5 days all in different cities.

Sept 28....Finish up season at Chi Sox

Sept 29....Tie-Break game for Division at Det

Sept 30....Tie-Break game for WC at Sea

Oct. 1.......Wild Card game at Oak

Oct. 2......Divisional Series at LAA

That is just nuts. They are only saved by the fact the last three games are at least all on the same coast.
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I was quietly hoping for all of KC, Seattle, Cleveland, and the Yanks to finish with 75 losses at the beginning of the week. That'd have been a blast. Cleveland and New York screwed up that plan though.

 
Da Guru said:
Doctor Detroit said:
I was at the Nats game getting updates on the game from Greco.

There was a lot of swearing and lamp throwing (on that end).

Ausmus has no idea how to handle the pitching staff, that just makes the bullpen worse than it really is. How you leave Price in there after Konerko got a hit is mind-boggling.
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Exactly. Most managers would let the starter go back out in the 9th and try to finish and if they have a clean inning they can finish. First hit or walk though and they are done. When Ausmus came out to the mound you could see he was very indecisive. Price just shooed him away. The other reason according to Dan Dickerson is that Joey Nathan does not like coming into the game unless he starts the 9th. This drives me nuts. Then have Soria warmed up and ready and screw Nathan.
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First hit? OK ..pitch count still not bad.

Second hit? Well, it's a tough enough spot that trusting Price's K ability and adrenaline has some logic ..and he did get the out.

But a third hit? Gotta pull him and try a non-Nathan reliever. Al Al for a K; Hardy; Soria.

 
tri-man 47 said:
Da Guru said:
Doctor Detroit said:
I was at the Nats game getting updates on the game from Greco.

There was a lot of swearing and lamp throwing (on that end).

Ausmus has no idea how to handle the pitching staff, that just makes the bullpen worse than it really is. How you leave Price in there after Konerko got a hit is mind-boggling.
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Exactly. Most managers would let the starter go back out in the 9th and try to finish and if they have a clean inning they can finish. First hit or walk though and they are done. When Ausmus came out to the mound you could see he was very indecisive. Price just shooed him away. The other reason according to Dan Dickerson is that Joey Nathan does not like coming into the game unless he starts the 9th. This drives me nuts. Then have Soria warmed up and ready and screw Nathan.
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First hit? OK ..pitch count still not bad.

Second hit? Well, it's a tough enough spot that trusting Price's K ability and adrenaline has some logic ..and he did get the out.

But a third hit? Gotta pull him and try a non-Nathan reliever. Al Al for a K; Hardy; Soria.
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Ausmus knew he had Miggy. You guys and your second-guessing the brains behind all this madness. There is a well laidout plan going on here none of you are smart enough to even imagine how brilliant it is.

 
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Greco said:
BobbyLayne said:
Greco said:
I'll be in my bunker tweeting live my pain and anguish.
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Cheer up, skippy.
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No hitter thru 1 and a third...
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Yeah, I was tied up at work today.

GAME INFORMATION

Who: Detroit Tigers (87-70, 1st in AL Central) vs. Chicago White Sox (72-85, 4th in AL Central)

When: 1:08 p.m.

Where: Comerica Park in Detroit

TV: Fox Sports Detroit

Radio: 97.1 The Ticket and the Detroit Tigers radio network

STARTING PITCHERS

Detroit Tigers

Justin Verlander (14-12, 4.68 ERA)

Lifetime vs. White Sox: 16-13, 4.07 ERA

Chicago White Sox

Chris Sale (12-4, 2.20 ERA)

Lifetime vs. Tigers: 5-5, 2.93 ERA

STARTING LINEUPS

(Statistics vs. opposing starter in parentheses)

Chicago White Sox

1. Adam Eaton, CF (5 for 11, 2 2Bs, 3B)

2. Alexei Ramirez, SS (18 for 71, .254, 2B, HR, 9 SOs)

3. Jose Abreu, 1B (7 for 12, .583, 2B, 2 HRs)

4. Conor Gillaspie, 3B (2 for 11, .182, 2B)

5. Avisail Garcia, RF (1 for 3, 2B)

6. Dayan Viciedo, DH (6 for 23, .261, 2B, HR)

7. Jordan Danks, LF (1 for 4)

8. Tyler Flowers, C (4 for 18, .222, 2B, 2 HRs)

9. Marcus Semien, 2B (2 for 7, .286, 3 SOs)

Detroit Tigers

1. Ian Kinsler, 2B (6 for 21, .286, 2 HRs)

2. Torii Hunter, RF (6 for 24, .250, 2B, 3B, HR, 7 SOs)

3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (6 for 27, .222, 2 HRs, 6 BBs, 8 SOs)

4. Victor Martinez, DH (15 for 28, .536, 3 2Bs, 3 HRs, 6 RBIs)

5. J.D. Martinez, LF (3 for 13, .231, 2B, 6 SOs)

6. Nick Castellanos, 3B (1 for 8, 5 SOs)

7. Bryan Holaday, C (1 for 5)

8. Andrew Romine, SS

9. Rajai Davis, LF (4 for 10, 2B)

GAME NOTES

-- Bryan Holaday will start at catcher with left-hander Chris Sale on the mound for the White Sox. Tigers manager Brad Ausmus said the main reason James McCann was the catcher for Justin Verlander's previous start was because Alex Avila was out of the lineup with a concussion.

-- Andrew Romine is making a rare start against a left-hander. Ausmus said he likes what Romine brings defensively and decided to give him a start against a left-hander in part based on how his numbers are against left-handers this season. Romine, a switch hitter, is thought to be a better hitter from the left side, but he is hitting .333 (17 for 51) with a .751 OPS against left-handers this season.

-- The Tigers lead the Kansas City Royals by one game in the Central Division standings with five games remaining. The Tigers are a near lock to earn at least a wild-card berth in the postseason thanks to the recent struggles of the Seattle Mariners.

-- The Tigers are 9-9 against the White Sox this season. This is the final meeting between the two teams.

-- The forecast calls for sunny skies and temperatures around 70 degrees this afternoon in Detroit.

 
I heard the issue was that Sale thought someone was signalling his pitches to Martinez.

Probably didn't help that Martinez has a career 1.516 OPS vs. Sale.

Still, drilling Martinez was the kind of selfish play that you see from losing teams. Sale was cruising through the Tigers, and he woke them up and got them in the game.

 
All I gots to say is that the now brilliant former skipper made some real head scratchers moves too but I guess he's reached genius level since he has retired and the boy blunder started also doing stupid stuff. Oh, and last year's team was capable of being shut out against nobodies too believe it or not.

 
The_Man said:
I heard the issue was that Sale thought someone was signalling his pitches to Martinez.

Probably didn't help that Martinez has a career 1.516 OPS vs. Sale.

Still, drilling Martinez was the kind of selfish play that you see from losing teams. Sale was cruising through the Tigers, and he woke them up and got them in the game.
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Was it Nick Swisher? Kate Upton?

 
Doctor Detroit said:
The_Man said:
I heard the issue was that Sale thought someone was signalling his pitches to Martinez.

Probably didn't help that Martinez has a career 1.516 OPS vs. Sale.

Still, drilling Martinez was the kind of selfish play that you see from losing teams. Sale was cruising through the Tigers, and he woke them up and got them in the game.
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Was it Nick Swisher? Kate Upton?
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Kate was seen twitching her ample boobage.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
All I gots to say is that the now brilliant former skipper made some real head scratchers moves too but I guess he's reached genius level since he has retired and the boy blunder started also doing stupid stuff. Oh, and last year's team was capable of being shut out against nobodies too believe it or not.
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All managers are stupid, Ausmus is just new at it.

 
Anibal in the pen is probably gonna be decent. So that would make three reliable arms, a good Phil Coke and whatever Joe Nathan is.

 
Soria is so much more relaxing to watch than Nathan. I find myself starting to twitch and breath like Mister Ed when Nathan has 2 guys on and can`t throw strikes.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
Doctor Detroit said:
The_Man said:
I heard the issue was that Sale thought someone was signalling his pitches to Martinez.

Probably didn't help that Martinez has a career 1.516 OPS vs. Sale.

Still, drilling Martinez was the kind of selfish play that you see from losing teams. Sale was cruising through the Tigers, and he woke them up and got them in the game.
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Was it Nick Swisher? Kate Upton?
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Kate was seen twitching her ample boobage.
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"screwball"

JV up to 15 wins! He stays in long enough to pick up the losses, too, but he's catching up with Porcello and almost to Max (who would have a few more in a non-Nathan environment).

Miggy with 4 K's? Whatta bum.

Pressure back on KC.

 
Yeah they are saying Anibal would need time to be stretched out, and that might be tough unless he gets a tandem start with Lobstein or something. I don't think there is any question that he's the odd man out. All things equal I think Porcello would be the 5th starter, he's looked pretty iffy lately.

Haven't looked at splits but I'd have a hard time not pitching Max in a game 1 or a wildcard game.

 
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The schedule should be set up for:

Th Max

F Porcello

S Lobstein

S Price

If they clinch, they can replace Price on Sunday. Then they'd be set well for playoffs with JV, Max, and Price basically ready to go and Porcello and Anibal backing up in some capacity.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Yeah they are saying Anibal would need time to be stretched out, and that might be tough unless he gets a tandem start with Lobstein or something. I don't think there is any question that he's the odd man out. All things equal I think Porcello would be the 5th starter, he's looked pretty iffy lately.

Haven't looked at splits but I'd have a hard time not pitching Max in a game 1 or a wildcard game.
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I know it will never happen but a healthy Sanchez could close a game better than Nathan. Has all the pitches with a fastball than can hit 95..plus he is a KO pitcher.

 
I really hope that Porcello is at a very minimum in the postseason. I like the idea of Anibal being able to be used in the pen in a 7 game series as long as Rick only got one start vice two.

 
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