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***Detroit Tigers thread: 1st pick yet again, this is not fun*** (2 Viewers)
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Anthony Borbely
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They signed him and he pitched last night. Retired the side in order and hit 97 on the gun.
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tri-man 47
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The team feels thisclose to being a valid contender. Hopefully a new arm (two, with JV back) will give them the extra edge.
Unfortuately both Simon and Green can not be counted on as reliable starters. Price, JV, and Sanchez are the three we will have to ride. I would rest Simon then move him to the pen. Between Ryan, Lobstein and Greene I think we can piece together another starting spot. Still really need one reliable arm who can win most of their games if we want to crawl back into this race. Even with one more good starter, probably only about a 25% shot at making the playoffs and most likely will be the play-in game if they do make it.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Greene is getting hit hsrd early on and walking too many. Not what I was hoping for. Hope it changes.
Doctor Detroit
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Of Greene, Fister, and Ray there is no doubt in my mind Ray is the best of that group (not only for contract but for ability right now). According to the Keith Laws and the Detroit sports talk radio crowd, trading for Ray was dumb. So DD and the scouting department had it right, but dealt the guy they loved away in the offseason anyway. I thought it strange at the time, now I find it annoying.
Team is 14th in the AL in team ERA with David Price and a pretty good Anibal Sanchez. Scary. Simon has to be put in the pen, not sure about Greene but he was bad today. Farmer probably the long term solution but he hasn't performed yet like expected.
Team is 14th in the AL in team ERA with David Price and a pretty good Anibal Sanchez. Scary. Simon has to be put in the pen, not sure about Greene but he was bad today. Farmer probably the long term solution but he hasn't performed yet like expected.
Doctor Detroit
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Also Krause should not only be DFA'd, he should be sent to prison for robing several MLB teams of the league minimum salary.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I really don't care which way they go, but the Tigers have to make moves by the end of the break. Either sell off Price, Cespedes, Kinsler, Soria, Rajai, and Avlia if anyone will take him, or go out and make a deal for a starter and relief pitcher asap. Staying with what they have is getting them no where.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Ray was the reason for the Fister trade. I'm with you in that it made no sense to be so high on a young lefty...high enough to move a solid proven starter like Fister...then give on him that fast. That sequence has cost us big time and a rare gaffe by Dombrowski.Right now we have zero options for the 4th and 5th starters. We might get by without a steady 5th for a while but we absolutely need a quality 4th and sooner rather than later.
The bullpen is a disaster. Soria isn't getting it done and I think we need a closer, not just a late inning setup man.
Given those needs, I can't see a way to get both with our weak farm system.
In the first inning, Simon has an ERA about 2.00 and opposing batters are hitting under .200 against him. I would give him a chance to start at least one game after the break given how well he pitched earlier, but if he doesn't improve then send him to the bullpen.
Greene needs to be in the minors. It is clear he was not ready to ready to return.
I also think they should consider giving Alex Wilson a chance to start. It sure can't hurt.
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Doctor Detroit
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Alex Wilson is in the lonely column of "good Tigers pitcher" right now. Agreed he needs more opportunities if not as a starter, then in more high leverage situations. I thought maybe he was an option the other night when it was obvious Soria didn't have it. If you think about it, why wasn't he pitching the 8th when Joba was still on the team?
Da Guru
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Doctor Detroit
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I have an idea! You have four days to get Big Nick some reps at 1B. Have Romine and Marte platoon with Romine playing 3B on his days, and have Big Nick at 1B those days. Or put VMart there, seriously this Krause guy looks like a player from the early 2000s Tigers,
Sign Brandon League also, Dodgers payong his salary so you can sign him for pocket change and hope he's ready to pitch in a month. I called the Feliz sign before anyone mentioned it anywhere on the innerwebs, let's try League too.
I think trading for reluevers is dumb in general. Kevin Siegrist had a 6 ERA last year and is one of the best relievers in 2015. Too hard to predict, quantity over perceived quality every time imo.
Sign Brandon League also, Dodgers payong his salary so you can sign him for pocket change and hope he's ready to pitch in a month. I called the Feliz sign before anyone mentioned it anywhere on the innerwebs, let's try League too.
I think trading for reluevers is dumb in general. Kevin Siegrist had a 6 ERA last year and is one of the best relievers in 2015. Too hard to predict, quantity over perceived quality every time imo.
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Raider Nation
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Well these are pretty much the records I expected the Tigers and Yankees to have at the break.
Only in reverse.
Only in reverse.
Leroy Hoard
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Yes, Wilson should take Simon's place in the rotation & send Simon to the BP.
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Leroy Hoard
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I think the most depressing thing going into the all star break is that they are further from a playoff spot than they are from the white sox.
Limp Ditka
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tri-man 47
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I'd noticed that, too. Ugh.Leroy Hoard said:
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Horrifying stat of the week per Elias Sports Bureau: Teams trailing by five-plus runs in the ninth or later were 0-and-1,059 during the past two seasons.
Tigers '15: Inventing new ways to lose!
Either Ausmus has to start shaking up this team or he needs to go.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Not saying Ausmus does not share the blame but how about the GM who gave him that bullpen?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Shake up with what?
The batting order. The starting rotation. The bullpen. Pretty much everything needs to be kicked around. This ain't working.
Doctor Detroit
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I'm at the Whitecaps game behind the plate and there has to be 20 scouts here. I guess they could be here to see the Rays players also, but I go to a lot of minor league games all over the country and have never seen so many scouts.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Who/what do you suggest?
I would try iggy leading off. I would put Simon in the pen where he has been effective his whole caree. And I like the suggestion of trying Wilson as a starter. Try Feliz as a closer. At the very least it will maybe give Soria a wake up call. And hopefully, they will trade for a starter, but that is not on Ausmus.
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Da Guru
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The Tigers are 3 games over 500 in a full season since the last All-Star break. Half of that was with Max, Price, Sanchez, Porcello and Verlander as the starters. They need to play 14 games over 500 after the break to hit 88 wins at this point and a possible wildcard. With the Verlander a ?? and Simon and whoever is the 5th it is going to be tough sledding.
Doctor Detroit
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Padres, Marlins, and Rockies scouts were in the house, one of them was scouting the Rays players though.I talked with the special assistant to the GM for the Dodgers for the last three innings and got some great insight. He had two scouts with him there just to scout Tigers prospects. He said he "rarely" does minor league games. Ok, that's interesting. I know the Dodgers want Price. Not a fan of trading him but if they gave us a deal involving Urias or De Leon we'd have to listen to that.
All the scouts like Gerber, and he was the must impressive guy out there tonight. He has a smooth strike and hit a 395 foot line drive tonight, and the Padres scout said he's ready for AA and the other guys agreed. David Hernandez is a terrific fielding Shortstop, made three great plays tonight. Rest of the team sucked, Hill is on the DL and the good pitchers didn't pitch.
I had first row seats but sat in the 7th row because it was too crowded down there. Glad I did, learned a lot about scouting.
Doctor Detroit
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They are 3.5 games out of the wild card and right now the Twins and Astros are the two Wildcards. 88 wins is probably high, I can see that second wildcard being an 85 win team. There are some bad teams out there, Tigers are one of them.
Da Guru
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Then the question is are they capable of playing 11 games over 500 the rest of the way when they have not done it for a year? I think Feliz is going to help the pen for sure if he can pitch like he did the other night. Even in the games he has closed Soria has not had good stuff for over a month. I would hand the job to Feliz until he proves he can`t do it.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Sure, but the core players need to play better. They haven't and not many of the young guys have stepped up. Wilson and post week 1 Hardy have been about it. Cespedes has met expectations (although watching him day-to-day is as frustrating as advertised), as has Price and Miggy, and obviously JD has exceeded, but everyone else is under performing. You can fire Ausmus, but if the players don't play better then it won't matter.
Doctor Detroit
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I don't get handing Feliz the job over Soria to "wake Soria up."
Do they do this to you where you work? Also Feliz just got signed off the street, he was not good in Texas.
Do they do this to you where you work? Also Feliz just got signed off the street, he was not good in Texas.
tri-man 47
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Trade Cespedes?MAC_32 said:
http://fansided.com/2015/07/14/mlb-trade-rumors-tigers-yeonis-cespedes/
Doctor Detroit
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Touché
2Young2BBald
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I saw your post and headed over to one of the trade rumor sites and it looks like this gaining some steam:Leroy Hoard said:
16 Jul 2015 20:42:19
DET Gets:
Taijuan Walker
Jesus Montero
SEA Gets:
Alex Avila
Steven Moya
Buck Farmer
Marc Krauss
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Interesting. A young (22) SP & a 1B/catcher/DH who maybe could use a change of scenery (but will start on the DL).
Still giving up some potential though with Moya & Buck...
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Dan Lambskin
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Leroy Hoard
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Detroit — Interesting choice.
As first reported by MLB.com and the Toledo Blade, shortstop Dixon Machado has been recalled from Triple-A Toledo. He will replace first baseman Marc Krauss, who was put on paternity leave.
Machado not only doesn’t play first base, he’s a right-handed hitter and the Tigers will face three right-handed starters this weekend against the Orioles.
Machado, hitting .272 with a .683 OPS in Toledo, played in the Triple-A All-Star game Wednesday in Omaha.
Twitter @cmccosky
As first reported by MLB.com and the Toledo Blade, shortstop Dixon Machado has been recalled from Triple-A Toledo. He will replace first baseman Marc Krauss, who was put on paternity leave.
Machado not only doesn’t play first base, he’s a right-handed hitter and the Tigers will face three right-handed starters this weekend against the Orioles.
Machado, hitting .272 with a .683 OPS in Toledo, played in the Triple-A All-Star game Wednesday in Omaha.
Twitter @cmccosky
Gopher State
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Price deserved a better fate tonight
Doctor Detroit
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I'd see if Cincinnati would take Krauss for Cueto straight up.
So they are interested in Axford? He'll look good in the Old English D protecting a five fun deficit.
I don't see any way the M's deal Walker either. Unless they think Moya is gonna be something other than K machine who doesn't walk.
So they are interested in Axford? He'll look good in the Old English D protecting a five fun deficit.
I don't see any way the M's deal Walker either. Unless they think Moya is gonna be something other than K machine who doesn't walk.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Well, the first bat slam was understandable. I can see how the second toss back led to the ejection. Still ...horrible call on that low pitch.
Cannot get a break - Price pitches great, and gets no run support. JV blows up again. I have no idea what the answer is ...if there even is one.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
You still want them to go for it this year? It is time to sell, the bullpen is crap, they have one ace, one above average pitcher and a bunch of junk. I also think the offense turning it on right after Miggy got hurt was fools gold and we have 4 more weeks until he gets back. Get what you can for the guys that are free agents and then reload and sign some guys this off season and contend again next year. This year is basically over for them.
Doctor Detroit
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Whatever is best for the franchise is what I want, at this point getting something for Cespedes or Avila seems reasonable. I'd only trade Price if they got an unquestionably terrific return, like what the Cubs got last year for Lester/Shark.
Also good teams like the Royals, Angels, and Yankees don't have an ace. They have some good pitchers, but no ace. Bullpens are hit or miss from year to year, the Orioles have a guy name Chaz Row who has pitched for seven different franchises in the past 8 years. He has a 2.67 ERA and 30ks in 27 innings.
As constituted this team could win this year, but it's pretty hard to win five straight division titles and like many other teams they have areas of need. So do the Blue Jays, Orioles, Red Sox, Rangers, Mariners, etc, etc, etc.
tri-man 47
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He hasn't pitched much this year ..but hasn't been horrible, particularly by Tigers' standards. Low risk, hope for some halfway decent starts? We gotta do something.eta: Cubs, not Sox ..duh.
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