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Detroit Vs. Oakland. (1 Viewer)

Will Moss stay healthy? He hasn't been the last 2 years and if he is treated physically he may not play. I'm not taking that chance again.

 
(11:50) (Shotgun) J.Kitna pass incomplete deep left to R.Williams (N.Asomugha).

(7:42) J.Kitna pass incomplete short left to R.Williams.

(12:28) J.Kitna pass incomplete deep middle to R.Williams.

(8:40) (Shotgun) J.Kitna pass incomplete short right to R.Williams (F.Washington).

(2:49) J.Kitna pass incomplete to R.Williams.

It's great to see these guys on the same page.... :wall:

 
1-10-DET 43 (13:05) B.Calhoun right tackle to DET 45 for 2 yards (J.Cooper).

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looked half way decent tonight. it was against the lions but we at least showed up. the o-line actually played pretty well. i like it.

 
No action for BMW. It appears that the genius Martz has the offense in top shape so there is no need for BMW to play.

 
Hey everyone,

I was at the game live tonight... my first Raider game ever. Luckily, I survived. You think I'm kidding. It's not a good thing to go into Raider Nation and root for Dan Orlovsky because he's on your fantasy team under contract for the next 3 years at a cheap price. Luckily, the drunk raider fans (big surprise there...) were so perplexed that someone was rooting for Orlovsky that they didn't fully castrate me.

Anyway, some notes...

Moss, if he wants to be, is unstoppable. Throw it near/to him and he'll probably take it in for the TD. It's a different vibe live... he really has no peer at WR right now. Man among boys. etc.

LJordan ran well and had a nice TD to the right side, about 15 yards out. The line was nice tonight, although they were helped by A. Brooks' mobility. He escaped about 4-5 sacks with ease, usually completing the pass or running for a few yards. I think Fargas was just as impressive as LJordan. If LJordan were to get hurt, I actually think the Raiders would be ok. Mind you, it's one game and it's the Lions' Defense.

C. Anderson dropped an easy catch or two. Plodding. That's the best way to describe his route running. Porter was booed out of the stadium after his catch. Actually, when the fans saw the catch, they "cheered" and when the announcer said the name "porter", everyone started booing. It was ugly.

Tuiey, I didn't see enough of. SJ (kicker-raiders) boomed the ball on some kickoffs but had a squib (unintentional, I think) on his 1st one. Ugly.

For Detroit (and remember this is a Dan Orlovsky fan talking), Kitna was god awful. I don't think the line helped him out much, especially from the right side. He was continuously pressured the entire evening and he's lucky that he didn't end up with 4-5 interceptions. No joke. The raiders bobbled a few, batted a few away, and just couldn't end up with the INT a few times. Kitna just didn't have it today. One thing he did well was on 3rd down... He always seemed to have enough time and get the ball off with some yards, usually enough for a conversation. This might be the famous Raider Prevent Defense more than the skills of Kitna.

On the other hand, Orlovsky looked GREAT! Ok, not great... but "ok". He had a beatiful bomb to Ernie that should have gone for a score (led to FG). The O had a few communication problems with DanO at the helm. You could tell that they weren't that comfortable with him leading the team, although back-ups were in the game at this point, I believe.

Kevin Jones... Wow. Draw plays were money for the Lions. Raiders did well with them too. Kevin Jones looked like a stud tonight. I'm going to try and trade for him tomorrow. I know this sounds silly, but the way he was utilized reminded me of Marshall Faulk back in the day. To be honest, I felt that Kevin Jones rised to the occasion and played well. He made GREAT cuts and never seemed to go down. Very impressive running all night long. Definitely worth a look. I actually think that Kevin Jones on a "better" team with a focus on the running game could be a top 6-7 pick (not round, but pick) in most fantasy football drafts. He played that well.

None of the Detroit WRs did anything. They looked to be running through the motions during the game. Maybe it's the new offense... maybe it's the great Raider D (probably not...) Maybe it's something else entirely... But aside from a nice catch or three, it was a pretty ugly game for the Detroit passing game.

I left early in the 4th quarter, mostly because the vision of exiting the Raider parking lot with tons of drunk, angry, semi-######ed Raider fans did not appeal to me. Go figure.

And you think I'm kidding about the Raider fans. It was ugly. I usually attend games at SBC Park (SF Giants) or maybe a few Stanford football game. This was an entirely different crowd. People yelling, swearing, fighting, drinking, groping, and more. I can't believe people brought their kids to this game. I'd never attend a Raider game with kids. And don't get me started on that pathetic stadium.

Anyway, for what it's worth...

 
todd2006 said:
Hey everyone,I was at the game live tonight... my first Raider game ever. Luckily, I survived. You think I'm kidding. It's not a good thing to go into Raider Nation and root for Dan Orlovsky because he's on your fantasy team under contract for the next 3 years at a cheap price. Luckily, the drunk raider fans (big surprise there...) were so perplexed that someone was rooting for Orlovsky that they didn't fully castrate me. Anyway, some notes...Moss, if he wants to be, is unstoppable. Throw it near/to him and he'll probably take it in for the TD. It's a different vibe live... he really has no peer at WR right now. Man among boys. etc.LJordan ran well and had a nice TD to the right side, about 15 yards out. The line was nice tonight, although they were helped by A. Brooks' mobility. He escaped about 4-5 sacks with ease, usually completing the pass or running for a few yards. I think Fargas was just as impressive as LJordan. If LJordan were to get hurt, I actually think the Raiders would be ok. Mind you, it's one game and it's the Lions' Defense.C. Anderson dropped an easy catch or two. Plodding. That's the best way to describe his route running. Porter was booed out of the stadium after his catch. Actually, when the fans saw the catch, they "cheered" and when the announcer said the name "porter", everyone started booing. It was ugly.Tuiey, I didn't see enough of. SJ (kicker-raiders) boomed the ball on some kickoffs but had a squib (unintentional, I think) on his 1st one. Ugly.For Detroit (and remember this is a Dan Orlovsky fan talking), Kitna was god awful. I don't think the line helped him out much, especially from the right side. He was continuously pressured the entire evening and he's lucky that he didn't end up with 4-5 interceptions. No joke. The raiders bobbled a few, batted a few away, and just couldn't end up with the INT a few times. Kitna just didn't have it today. One thing he did well was on 3rd down... He always seemed to have enough time and get the ball off with some yards, usually enough for a conversation. This might be the famous Raider Prevent Defense more than the skills of Kitna.On the other hand, Orlovsky looked GREAT! Ok, not great... but "ok". He had a beatiful bomb to Ernie that should have gone for a score (led to FG). The O had a few communication problems with DanO at the helm. You could tell that they weren't that comfortable with him leading the team, although back-ups were in the game at this point, I believe.Kevin Jones... Wow. Draw plays were money for the Lions. Raiders did well with them too. Kevin Jones looked like a stud tonight. I'm going to try and trade for him tomorrow. I know this sounds silly, but the way he was utilized reminded me of Marshall Faulk back in the day. To be honest, I felt that Kevin Jones rised to the occasion and played well. He made GREAT cuts and never seemed to go down. Very impressive running all night long. Definitely worth a look. I actually think that Kevin Jones on a "better" team with a focus on the running game could be a top 6-7 pick (not round, but pick) in most fantasy football drafts. He played that well.None of the Detroit WRs did anything. They looked to be running through the motions during the game. Maybe it's the new offense... maybe it's the great Raider D (probably not...) Maybe it's something else entirely... But aside from a nice catch or three, it was a pretty ugly game for the Detroit passing game.I left early in the 4th quarter, mostly because the vision of exiting the Raider parking lot with tons of drunk, angry, semi-######ed Raider fans did not appeal to me. Go figure.And you think I'm kidding about the Raider fans. It was ugly. I usually attend games at SBC Park (SF Giants) or maybe a few Stanford football game. This was an entirely different crowd. People yelling, swearing, fighting, drinking, groping, and more. I can't believe people brought their kids to this game. I'd never attend a Raider game with kids. And don't get me started on that pathetic stadium. Anyway, for what it's worth...
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Thanks todd for spending the time to write this for the rest of us :goodposting:
 
jurb26 said:
So where are all those people who were casting off Oak after the 1st 2 PRESEASON games? Funny how a few weeks of cohesion can make a difference.
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:goodposting: I think you and I were the only ones defending them!Brooks as I always state takes way to much flack. The guy had thrown 9 passes in 2 preseason games and people were already calling him a bust. Those who drafted before this evening and got Moss and Brooks later than they should have should be really excited.
 
Brooks looks decent out there tonight. He was doing the little things as well as the BIG things right. His numbers should have been better if not for some dropped balls. What's weird is that it didn't even look like Brooks was trying out there... just came naturally.

 
Randy Moss is what I call an "f-word" player. By that I mean you don't want to overthink his situation too much. He's Randy ####### Moss. He's so talented that you want to not worry much and just get the guy on your team.

I also feel the same way to a lesser extent about Reggie ####### Bush.

 
todd2006 said:
Hey everyone,I was at the game live tonight... my first Raider game ever. Luckily, I survived. You think I'm kidding. It's not a good thing to go into Raider Nation and root for Dan Orlovsky because he's on your fantasy team under contract for the next 3 years at a cheap price. Luckily, the drunk raider fans (big surprise there...) were so perplexed that someone was rooting for Orlovsky that they didn't fully castrate me. Anyway, some notes...Moss, if he wants to be, is unstoppable. Throw it near/to him and he'll probably take it in for the TD. It's a different vibe live... he really has no peer at WR right now. Man among boys. etc.LJordan ran well and had a nice TD to the right side, about 15 yards out. The line was nice tonight, although they were helped by A. Brooks' mobility. He escaped about 4-5 sacks with ease, usually completing the pass or running for a few yards. I think Fargas was just as impressive as LJordan. If LJordan were to get hurt, I actually think the Raiders would be ok. Mind you, it's one game and it's the Lions' Defense.C. Anderson dropped an easy catch or two. Plodding. That's the best way to describe his route running. Porter was booed out of the stadium after his catch. Actually, when the fans saw the catch, they "cheered" and when the announcer said the name "porter", everyone started booing. It was ugly.Tuiey, I didn't see enough of. SJ (kicker-raiders) boomed the ball on some kickoffs but had a squib (unintentional, I think) on his 1st one. Ugly.For Detroit (and remember this is a Dan Orlovsky fan talking), Kitna was god awful. I don't think the line helped him out much, especially from the right side. He was continuously pressured the entire evening and he's lucky that he didn't end up with 4-5 interceptions. No joke. The raiders bobbled a few, batted a few away, and just couldn't end up with the INT a few times. Kitna just didn't have it today. One thing he did well was on 3rd down... He always seemed to have enough time and get the ball off with some yards, usually enough for a conversation. This might be the famous Raider Prevent Defense more than the skills of Kitna.On the other hand, Orlovsky looked GREAT! Ok, not great... but "ok". He had a beatiful bomb to Ernie that should have gone for a score (led to FG). The O had a few communication problems with DanO at the helm. You could tell that they weren't that comfortable with him leading the team, although back-ups were in the game at this point, I believe.Kevin Jones... Wow. Draw plays were money for the Lions. Raiders did well with them too. Kevin Jones looked like a stud tonight. I'm going to try and trade for him tomorrow. I know this sounds silly, but the way he was utilized reminded me of Marshall Faulk back in the day. To be honest, I felt that Kevin Jones rised to the occasion and played well. He made GREAT cuts and never seemed to go down. Very impressive running all night long. Definitely worth a look. I actually think that Kevin Jones on a "better" team with a focus on the running game could be a top 6-7 pick (not round, but pick) in most fantasy football drafts. He played that well.None of the Detroit WRs did anything. They looked to be running through the motions during the game. Maybe it's the new offense... maybe it's the great Raider D (probably not...) Maybe it's something else entirely... But aside from a nice catch or three, it was a pretty ugly game for the Detroit passing game.I left early in the 4th quarter, mostly because the vision of exiting the Raider parking lot with tons of drunk, angry, semi-######ed Raider fans did not appeal to me. Go figure.And you think I'm kidding about the Raider fans. It was ugly. I usually attend games at SBC Park (SF Giants) or maybe a few Stanford football game. This was an entirely different crowd. People yelling, swearing, fighting, drinking, groping, and more. I can't believe people brought their kids to this game. I'd never attend a Raider game with kids. And don't get me started on that pathetic stadium. Anyway, for what it's worth...
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stanford & the 49ers? :lmao: pretty hardcore fans.
 
When a Viking Moss wouldn't move his hands to catch the ball til the last second. He never let the defender know when the ball or if the ball was coming.

He said just chuck it dog, you know just throw it long and he'll get it. If he can stay healthy he is un-stoppable.

 
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todd2006 said:
Hey everyone,

I was at the game live tonight... my first Raider game ever. Luckily, I survived. You think I'm kidding. It's not a good thing to go into Raider Nation and root for Dan Orlovsky because he's on your fantasy team under contract for the next 3 years at a cheap price. Luckily, the drunk raider fans (big surprise there...) were so perplexed that someone was rooting for Orlovsky that they didn't fully castrate me.

Anyway, some notes...

Moss, if he wants to be, is unstoppable. Throw it near/to him and he'll probably take it in for the TD. It's a different vibe live... he really has no peer at WR right now. Man among boys. etc.

LJordan ran well and had a nice TD to the right side, about 15 yards out. The line was nice tonight, although they were helped by A. Brooks' mobility. He escaped about 4-5 sacks with ease, usually completing the pass or running for a few yards. I think Fargas was just as impressive as LJordan. If LJordan were to get hurt, I actually think the Raiders would be ok. Mind you, it's one game and it's the Lions' Defense.

C. Anderson dropped an easy catch or two. Plodding. That's the best way to describe his route running. Porter was booed out of the stadium after his catch. Actually, when the fans saw the catch, they "cheered" and when the announcer said the name "porter", everyone started booing. It was ugly.

Tuiey, I didn't see enough of. SJ (kicker-raiders) boomed the ball on some kickoffs but had a squib (unintentional, I think) on his 1st one. Ugly.

For Detroit (and remember this is a Dan Orlovsky fan talking), Kitna was god awful. I don't think the line helped him out much, especially from the right side. He was continuously pressured the entire evening and he's lucky that he didn't end up with 4-5 interceptions. No joke. The raiders bobbled a few, batted a few away, and just couldn't end up with the INT a few times. Kitna just didn't have it today. One thing he did well was on 3rd down... He always seemed to have enough time and get the ball off with some yards, usually enough for a conversation. This might be the famous Raider Prevent Defense more than the skills of Kitna.

On the other hand, Orlovsky looked GREAT! Ok, not great... but "ok". He had a beatiful bomb to Ernie that should have gone for a score (led to FG). The O had a few communication problems with DanO at the helm. You could tell that they weren't that comfortable with him leading the team, although back-ups were in the game at this point, I believe.

Kevin Jones... Wow. Draw plays were money for the Lions. Raiders did well with them too. Kevin Jones looked like a stud tonight. I'm going to try and trade for him tomorrow. I know this sounds silly, but the way he was utilized reminded me of Marshall Faulk back in the day. To be honest, I felt that Kevin Jones rised to the occasion and played well. He made GREAT cuts and never seemed to go down. Very impressive running all night long. Definitely worth a look. I actually think that Kevin Jones on a "better" team with a focus on the running game could be a top 6-7 pick (not round, but pick) in most fantasy football drafts. He played that well.

None of the Detroit WRs did anything. They looked to be running through the motions during the game. Maybe it's the new offense... maybe it's the great Raider D (probably not...) Maybe it's something else entirely... But aside from a nice catch or three, it was a pretty ugly game for the Detroit passing game.

I left early in the 4th quarter, mostly because the vision of exiting the Raider parking lot with tons of drunk, angry, semi-######ed Raider fans did not appeal to me. Go figure.

And you think I'm kidding about the Raider fans. It was ugly. I usually attend games at SBC Park (SF Giants) or maybe a few Stanford football game. This was an entirely different crowd. People yelling, swearing, fighting, drinking, groping, and more. I can't believe people brought their kids to this game. I'd never attend a Raider game with kids. And don't get me started on that pathetic stadium.

Anyway, for what it's worth...
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:goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting: Thanks for the summary!

Luckily, the drunk raider fans (big surprise there...) were so perplexed that someone was rooting for Orlovsky that they didn't fully castrate me.
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I am glad for you that there is some left!

:D

 
todd2006 said:
and if i didn't cover something that you'd like to know from a first hand account, just ask (or PM).T :football:
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I'd like to know if the Oak Oline has started to gel or if the Det Dline just flat sucked?
 
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jurb26 said:
todd2006 said:
and if i didn't cover something that you'd like to know from a first hand account, just ask (or PM).T :football:
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I'd like to know if the Oak Oline has started to gel or if the Det Dline just flat sucked?
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From what was being said after the first two games, one would wonder if the Raiders could've handled a local Pop Warner pass rush. Watching the game at noon, will let you know, but consensus on Raider boards, is that there's some cohesiveness, which was missing from the first two games. The rook RG, in particular, McQuistan, has looked like a different kid, really stepping his game up.
 
jurb26 said:
todd2006 said:
and if i didn't cover something that you'd like to know from a first hand account, just ask (or PM).T :football:
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I'd like to know if the Oak Oline has started to gel or if the Det Dline just flat sucked?
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I think it's a little of both, but a team can look great playing against a bad Dline. I don't think that the Raiders OL did that great of job, but they did a "good enough" job to give Brooks enough time to hit his WRs. The Lions secondary was horrible. They looked soft, they played soft, they just gave so much cushion to the Raider WRs that Brooks -always- had an open man. For the running game, a lot of the carries for Jordan came on draw plays (ditto for KJ) which sort of doesn't really highlight the traditional run-blocking of an OL. Not sure if that answers your question or not.
 
stanford & the 49ers? :lmao: pretty hardcore fans.

Hey, Stanford fans are dedicated fans. They've been going to Stanford games since they were kids and now they're getting up there in the years.

It's just a different "class" of fan, I guess. More education and less vulgar. I guess it spins on your definition of hardcore.

 
todd2006 said:
I left early in the 4th quarter, mostly because the vision of exiting the Raider parking lot with tons of drunk, angry, semi-######ed Raider fans did not appeal to me. Go figure.And you think I'm kidding about the Raider fans. It was ugly. I usually attend games at SBC Park (SF Giants) or maybe a few Stanford football game. This was an entirely different crowd. People yelling, swearing, fighting, drinking, groping, and more. I can't believe people brought their kids to this game. I'd never attend a Raider game with kids. And don't get me started on that pathetic stadium.
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We'll miss you. :yawn:FWIW, the replay is starting on the NFL Network right now.
 
I got off the BART at the stadium last Sunday just when the Niners-Raider game was ending. Unreal how much black Raider gear and face paint those fools wear on gameday.

I was VERY impressed - nothin' but love from me for fans who pour their heart and soul into the local team. I thought it was awesome. :thumbup:

 
Spartans Rule said:
Randy Moss is what I call an "f-word" player. By that I mean you don't want to overthink his situation too much. He's Randy ####### Moss. He's so talented that you want to not worry much and just get the guy on your team.I also feel the same way to a lesser extent about Reggie ####### Bush.
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There's a lot of ####### over-reacting going on in this thread.
 
dickey moe said:
Spartans Rule said:
Randy Moss is what I call an "f-word" player. By that I mean you don't want to overthink his situation too much. He's Randy ####### Moss. He's so talented that you want to not worry much and just get the guy on your team.I also feel the same way to a lesser extent about Reggie ####### Bush.
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There's a lot of ####### over-reacting going on in this thread.
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I dissagree. The overreaction came a year ago when everyone mistaked an injured Moss for a far less talented Moss who had lost the majority of his ability. People are just remembering how good Moss is. They never should have forgoten. The guy is still only 29 yrs old. As I've said for over a year. If he stays healthy, he is still dominant.
 
dickey moe said:
Spartans Rule said:
Randy Moss is what I call an "f-word" player. By that I mean you don't want to overthink his situation too much. He's Randy ####### Moss. He's so talented that you want to not worry much and just get the guy on your team.I also feel the same way to a lesser extent about Reggie ####### Bush.
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There's a lot of ####### over-reacting going on in this thread.
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:goodposting: although i would change "on in this thread" to "on this board".
 
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dickey moe said:
Spartans Rule said:
Randy Moss is what I call an "f-word" player. By that I mean you don't want to overthink his situation too much. He's Randy ####### Moss. He's so talented that you want to not worry much and just get the guy on your team.I also feel the same way to a lesser extent about Reggie ####### Bush.
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There's a lot of ####### over-reacting going on in this thread.
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Last night's game didn't change my opinion of Moss at all. I had him as my #1 WR all along.
 
lod2005 said:
No action for BMW. It appears that the genius Martz has the offense in top shape so there is no need for BMW to play.
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who the flip are you talking about? English please.
todd2006 said:
LJordan ran well and had a nice TD to the right side, about 15 yards out. The line was nice tonight, although they were helped by A. Brooks' mobility. He escaped about 4-5 sacks with ease, usually completing the pass or running for a few yards.
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I thought Jordan looked good-not-great. He did have good power/drive after first contact, and the TD was a really nice run. And yes the OL, as well as Brooks, were night-and-day better than previous 2 games. Granted it's DET but they don't have the worst D in the league.
I think Fargas was just as impressive as LJordan. If LJordan were to get hurt, I actually think the Raiders would be ok.
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I think you're severely deluded. Fargas had 1 or 2 pretty nice runs when the OL gave him a hole big enough to drive a truck though but he has never been more than a few-plays-a-game changeup RB and never will be.
For Detroit (and remember this is a Dan Orlovsky fan talking), Kitna was god awful.
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Not the whole time he wasn't. Actually I thought it was classic Kitna ie good at times, bad at times, very mediocre/up n down overall. DET fans best prepare for more frustration at QB this year (esp when the coach puts McCown in out of desperation and he sucks worse than Kitna).
I don't think the line helped him out much, especially from the right side.
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Yeah they weren't very good, and seemed to get worse as the game went on (granted might have been some backups subbed in, don't know).
Kevin Jones... Wow. Draw plays were money for the Lions. Raiders did well with them too. Kevin Jones looked like a stud tonight. I'm going to try and trade for him tomorrow. I know this sounds silly, but the way he was utilized reminded me of Marshall Faulk back in the day. To be honest, I felt that Kevin Jones rised to the occasion and played well. He made GREAT cuts and never seemed to go down. Very impressive running all night long.
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:X Either you were high when you wrote this or you're his mother. Honestly, you can't be serious. He looked very OK and mostly just took what the D gave him. He made no great moves, broke few if any tackles, and showed only an average burst/speed. I really don't get it; this guy has been overrated since college, despite reasons to do so.....when will people learn?
None of the Detroit WRs did anything. They looked to be running through the motions during the game. Maybe it's the new offense... maybe it's the great Raider D (probably not...) Maybe it's something else entirely... But aside from a nice catch or three, it was a pretty ugly game for the Detroit passing game.
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Generally true. I think OAK should get a lot of credit, although Kitna's "erraticness" didn't help.
And you think I'm kidding about the Raider fans. It was ugly. I usually attend games at SBC Park (SF Giants) or maybe a few Stanford football game. This was an entirely different crowd. People yelling, swearing, fighting, drinking, groping, and more. I can't believe people brought their kids to this game. I'd never attend a Raider game with kids. And don't get me started on that pathetic stadium.
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It's Oakland. What did you expect?
 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Moss looks good and eager to play hard because his team is 0-0 and not out of the playoff race. Watch how hard he plays when they're 2-6.
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best post of the thread . . .
 
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