Devery Henderson (1 Viewer)

[ffguru56]

I'm in search for a young WR that can produce for me this year. Colston came out of nowhere because Brees is throwing to him. Now that Horn is out and Colston is #1, he will be opposite the team's best corners. That allows for Henderson to take over Colston's spot from last year. Anyone else have the same philosophy?

I have two questions I would like to ask of Henderson:

1) Do you agree with me above in that you think he can put up some pretty good numbers starting this year and increasingly get better and better?

2) I don't know much about Henderson beyond becoming #2 in NO. How is his skills, etc. If he does produce this year is he merely a factor of the system or is the system a factor of him? Or both?

Thanks.

 

[Routilla]

Copper will get look as well but you have got to like the N.O. passing offense with Brees at the helm and Payton calling plays.

 

[Tiger Fan]

I'm in search for a young WR that can produce for me this year. Colston came out of nowhere because Brees is throwing to him. Now that Horn is out and Colston is #1, he will be opposite the team's best corners. That allows for Henderson to take over Colston's spot from last year. Anyone else have the same philosophy?I have two questions I would like to ask of Henderson:1) Do you agree with me above in that you think he can put up some pretty good numbers starting this year and increasingly get better and better?2) I don't know much about Henderson beyond becoming #2 in NO. How is his skills, etc. If he does produce this year is he merely a factor of the system or is the system a factor of him? Or both?Thanks.

I think he can put up better #s, but he is most effective as a #3 WR b/c he's very fast and can get behind the weaker corners easily. He is known for dropping easy passes and making hard catches.Don't automatically assume that he will take over Colston's production. It will be interesting to see how Patten is used. Also remember that Eric Johnson is in the picture now. I think Devery would be a decent #4 or #5 WR, but likely nothing more.

 

[ffguru56]

Very interesting...I was all high on getting him in my draft this year because I need some help in that area as far as a young, productive WR goes.

I have the chance to trade Julius Jones for Reggie Brown, which seems to fit the description of what I need. But I also feel Brown is simply a product of his system and with McNabb's knee injury, I'm worried about pulling the trigger on this deal.

Thoughts?

 

[Tiger Fan]

I'm in search for a young WR that can produce for me this year. Colston came out of nowhere because Brees is throwing to him. Now that Horn is out and Colston is #1, he will be opposite the team's best corners. That allows for Henderson to take over Colston's spot from last year. Anyone else have the same philosophy?I have two questions I would like to ask of Henderson:1) Do you agree with me above in that you think he can put up some pretty good numbers starting this year and increasingly get better and better?2) I don't know much about Henderson beyond becoming #2 in NO. How is his skills, etc. If he does produce this year is he merely a factor of the system or is the system a factor of him? Or both?Thanks.

I think he can put up better #s, but he is most effective as a #3 WR b/c he's very fast and can get behind the weaker corners easily. He is known for dropping easy passes and making hard catches.Don't automatically assume that he will take over Colston's production. It will be interesting to see how Patten is used. Also remember that Eric Johnson is in the picture now. I think Devery would be a decent #4 or #5 WR, but likely nothing more.

Maybe I spoke to soon....after looking at the #s, Devery had his biggest games when either Horn or Colston didn't play

Devery Colston   Horn  4.4	 10.9	2.5  11.1	11.8	8.8  8.6	 9.7	 4.7   0	  19.2	6.3   0	  3.8	 4.8   0	   10	  23   0	  28.3	18.6  23.1	18.3	 0   0	  16.9	 0  16.9	 0	  15.3  21.8			6.1  1.4			 1.8  15.5	4.8	  0   2	  8.4	  0   0	  9.7	  0  7.1	  0	   0

 

[identikit]

Copper will get look as well but you have got to like the N.O. passing offense with Brees at the helm and Payton calling plays.

I tend to lean towards Copper getting the starting spot. Henderson hasn't shown the drive/ambition in my mind, really underachieving based on his believed talent. All last summer and right up to the regular season, it seemed to me that Henderson had this huge opportunity to win the starting WR spot opposite Horn. I'm not minimizing Colston's rapid impact on both the Saints and the NFL, but Henderson certainly had the inside track to the job.Even when Copper displayed some fumbling issues, Payton went back to him as the starter when there was a opening. He also signed an incentive-rich contract recently (not that every contract doesn't have its incentives). I don't know much about Copper (as in attitude and ambition). But this situation looks to me like it's his best chance to become a starting WR in the NFL.NO's offensive scheme is such that all the WRs (and new TE Eric Johnson) are likely to do well. But my $$s are on Copper in the battle for the open WR starting position.N.O. homers, I'd sure like to hear your input.Just my 2 cents,Id

 

[UCSBgerry]

I also feel Henderson is more suited for the slot and is a big play guy. As of the moment, I believe Copper will be starting. However, New Orleans will probably address the issue with a first day pick of a WR and may even bring in a veteran which would cloud the situation even more. With the addition of Eric Johnson, I think Henderson is not so much a sleeper because as the slot guy he is probably the fifth or sixth option: Colston, Bush, E. Johnson, Copper, Henderson, some rookie. Although irrelevant Copper makes about 300K more than Devery.

 

[Da Guru]

DH will be good for 5-7 TDs next year, with 3-4 possible long ones.

I see Colston getting the red zone looks with his size.

With Bress throwing for 300 yards a game there will be plenty to go around.

 

[greyone]

Check your depth charts...

Dev Hederson is #2 WR on the saints...pre-draft

Also Dev Henderson beat Copper in the targets category. Good to know.

Another thing, Henderson mostly made his impact on long bombs. 2-3 BIG catches. Unless the saint find someone who can handle this specialty Dev Henderson will have no competition in this cat.

Devery also did start catching shorter passes and was a part of the basic offense too. So dont count him out by any means.

 

[KellysHeroes]

A lot of people are thinking that Copper wins the Job...

But didn't Henderson actually out preform Stallworth so much in camp last yr that it lead the Saints to trade him away.

And Henderson out preformed Cooper last yr.

Copper: 23 rec 385 yds 16.7 avg 3 TDs

Henderson: 32 rec 745 yds 23.3 avg 5 TDs w/ an additional rushing TD

Plus.. If Copper was something special; why did the Boys get rid of him..

And; did you know that Henderson lead the league w/ the highest % in 1st down receptions (87.5% ( 28/32 )) and was #4 in % 1st down per passing target (51.9% ( 28/54 )); that type of stat will build some trust w/ the QB.

He has to work on the drops though.

Of course I'm drinking the Henderson Kool-Aid as I took him as my #4 in a recent start dynasty.

 

[UCSBgerry]

A lot of people are thinking that Cooper wins the Job...But didn't Henderson actually out preform Stallworth so much in camp last yr that it lead the Saints to trade him away.And Henderson out preformed Cooper last yr.Cooper: 23 rec 385 yds 16.7 avg 3 TDsHenderson: 32 rec 745 yds 23.3 avg 5 TDs w/ an additional rushing TDPlus.. If Cooper was something special; why did the Boys get rid of him..And; did you know that Henderson lead the league w/ the highest % in 1st down receptions (87.5% ( 28/32 )) and was #4 in % 1st down per passing target (51.9% ( 28/54 )); that type of stat will build some trust w/ the QB.He has to work on the drops though.Of course I'm drinking the Henderson Kool-Aid as I took him as my #4 in a recent start dynasty.

It looks like you have 5 number 4's.

 

[LBH]

A lot of people are thinking that Cooper wins the Job...But didn't Henderson actually out preform Stallworth so much in camp last yr that it lead the Saints to trade him away.And Henderson out preformed Cooper last yr.Cooper: 23 rec 385 yds 16.7 avg 3 TDsHenderson: 32 rec 745 yds 23.3 avg 5 TDs w/ an additional rushing TDPlus.. If Cooper was something special; why did the Boys get rid of him..And; did you know that Henderson lead the league w/ the highest % in 1st down receptions (87.5% ( 28/32 )) and was #4 in % 1st down per passing target (51.9% ( 28/54 )); that type of stat will build some trust w/ the QB.He has to work on the drops though.Of course I'm drinking the Henderson Kool-Aid as I took him as my #4 in a recent start dynasty.

It looks like you have 5 number 4's.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Thats because I do....

 

[thadonkey]

Look, I'm a lifelong Saints fan that saw every one of their games last year. I've also been playing fantasy since '92.

Colston played the #1 WR role in our offense basically for the entirety of '06.

Horn was playing the underneath/possesion #2. role. When he was hurt, Copper filled in as the #2. (Note: When you see draft articles mentioning the Saints targeting a WR early, it is for this role. While Copper is a very hard worker, and a Sean Payton guy, he just isn't very talented as an NFL WR. Dwayne Bowe, Craig Davis, and maybe even Dwayne Jarrett are likely picks for this # 2 WR spot.)

Devery plays the #3, stretch the field, make big plays role, EXCLUSIVELY. The Saints coaching staff only sees him in this role and will not move him to #2 WR. They see Devery as a perfect fit in this #3 spot, because of his off the charts natural ability, but unreliable hands.

BUT, in Fantasy Football, Devery should be considered the Saints #2 WR, because he will score the 2nd most points, due to his role in the offense.

 

[ffguru56]

Look, I'm a lifelong Saints fan that saw every one of their games last year. I've also been playing fantasy since '92.Colston played the #1 WR role in our offense basically for the entirety of '06.Horn was playing the underneath/possesion #2. role. When he was hurt, Copper filled in as the #2. (Note: When you see draft articles mentioning the Saints targeting a WR early, it is for this role. While Copper is a very hard worker, and a Sean Payton guy, he just isn't very talented as an NFL WR. Dwayne Bowe, Craig Davis, and maybe even Dwayne Jarrett are likely picks for this # 2 WR spot.)Devery plays the #3, stretch the field, make big plays role, EXCLUSIVELY. The Saints coaching staff only sees him in this role and will not move him to #2 WR. They see Devery as a perfect fit in this #3 spot, because of his off the charts natural ability, but unreliable hands.BUT, in Fantasy Football, Devery should be considered the Saints #2 WR, because he will score the 2nd most points, due to his role in the offense.

Great analysis. I see your point why he isn't a WR2 in the NFL but he is in FF. However, as we all know, I would rather much a consistent WR than one that puts up 2 td's and 130 yards in a game but only here and there. It seems like Devery is that guy. In his defense though, he can't have less reliable hands than Chris Chambers (or I mean Mr. Drop).

 

[KellysHeroes]

I just found this Info concerning Both WRs

News: Saints re-signed WR Terrance Copper to a one-year, $850,000 contract.

Impact: Copper racked up 23 catches and averaged 16.7 yards-per-reception as a fourth receiver in 2006. He's expected to be New Orleans' third receiver this season. Copper drew some interest on the restricted free agent market and will head to unrestricted free agency in 2008. (Tue. Mar 27, 2007)

Henderson is also signed too 2008. So it could be a heated competition in camp this yr as both will be playing for a long-term contract.

However; at this time, I just don't think the Saints are planning on Copper being their #2.. if they did; why would they sign a 24 yr old player to only a 1 year deal. You figured if they planned on him being their #2.. they would of locked him up for atleast 3 or more yrs.

Also; if the Saints do sign a rookie.. wouldn't the Rookie be #3 on the depth charts?

The one major worry I have as a Henderson owner are these talks about DJax being traded.. if NO makes that deal.. Henderson as no value IMO and we'll have to wait until next yr when becomes an FA.

 

[Tiger Fan]

I just found this Info concerning Both WRs

News: Saints re-signed WR Terrance Copper to a one-year, $850,000 contract.

Impact: Copper racked up 23 catches and averaged 16.7 yards-per-reception as a fourth receiver in 2006. He's expected to be New Orleans' third receiver this season. Copper drew some interest on the restricted free agent market and will head to unrestricted free agency in 2008. (Tue. Mar 27, 2007)

Henderson is also signed too 2008. So it could be a heated competition in camp this yr as both will be playing for a long-term contract.

However; at this time, I just don't think the Saints are planning on Copper being their #2.. if they did; why would they sign a 24 yr old player to only a 1 year deal. You figured if they planned on him being their #2.. they would of locked him up for atleast 3 or more yrs.

Also; if the Saints do sign a rookie.. wouldn't the Rookie be #3 on the depth charts?

The one major worry I have as a Henderson owner are these talks about DJax being traded.. if NO makes that deal.. Henderson as no value IMO and we'll have to wait until next yr when becomes an FA.

If DJax goes to NO, then Henderson will still do well as a #3 in the slot. FFwise, don't count on him more than a WR4. anything above that is gravy

 

[Bri]

He and Copper are very much on people's radars after 06. I'm curious when those here think Devery or Copper need to be drafted.

I had both last year and I can tell ya Devery is hard to predict and (like was said) he's real good at getting open deep. Other than when a starter is injured you're left guessing if he'll get open deep that week in WDIS decisions.

Copper was almost a Fin so we'll see if he's still a Saint after draft day as alot of "soso" player are traded on draft day

 

[KellysHeroes]

He and Copper are very much on people's radars after 06. I'm curious when those here think Devery or Copper need to be drafted.

In an intail start up 14 team dynasty draft.. I took Henderson at 9.07; Notables I passed up were D Mason, Muhammad, Bruce, Williamson, Kennison, and Horn.Just the WRs

As you can see; he was IMO the best young option at the time.

Copper wasn't drafted yet.

Like the other poster said before; Henderson is a #4 FF WR option until proven otherwise. But hes a good #4, one that you know has a chance to produce. A good bye week filler when the match up is right.

 

[Sidewinder]

A lot of people are thinking that Copper wins the Job...But didn't Henderson actually out preform Stallworth so much in camp last yr that it lead the Saints to trade him away....

The reasons the Saints traded Stallworth had much more to do with Colston's emergence in camp AND the team's dissatisfaction with Donte's work habits than anything Henderson did last summer.

...Colston played the #1 WR role in our offense basically for the entirety of '06.Horn was playing the underneath/possesion #2. role. When he was hurt, Copper filled in as the #2. (Note: When you see draft articles mentioning the Saints targeting a WR early, it is for this role. While Copper is a very hard worker, and a Sean Payton guy, he just isn't very talented as an NFL WR. Dwayne Bowe, Craig Davis, and maybe even Dwayne Jarrett are likely picks for this # 2 WR spot.)Devery plays the #3, stretch the field, make big plays role, EXCLUSIVELY. The Saints coaching staff only sees him in this role and will not move him to #2 WR. They see Devery as a perfect fit in this #3 spot, because of his off the charts natural ability, but unreliable hands.BUT, in Fantasy Football, Devery should be considered the Saints #2 WR, because he will score the 2nd most points, due to his role in the offense.

Pretty much dead-on analysis. Questionable hands are Devery's curse -- one play the kid will make a great catch, then the very next play he may drop one an average high school WR holds onto 19 out of 20 times.He's also very inconsistent. A perfect example was a five game stretch last year where he had 3 great games (3-111-2 at Tampa, 9-169-0 vs Cinc, and 4-158-1 at Atlanta) and 2 games where he literally disappeared (0-0-0 at Pitt and 2-14-0 vs SF). In all 5 of those games, either Colston or Horn was out for essentially the entire game due to injury (both in the SF game).

...Like the other poster said before; Henderson is a #4 FF WR option until proven otherwise. But hes a good #4, one that you know has a chance to produce. A good bye week filler when the match up is right.

Agreed, temper the expectations, but know that every now and then you'll get a big number from him. My only question with him has been knowing "when the match up is right". Seems like the weeks I thought he'd shine he'd do nothing, and others I'd figure him for a 3 catch-52 yard day and he'd bust out. Hard guy to gauge.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Thought 2006, Copper out performed Henderson in 5 games.

1-Oct @CAR Henderson 0 Rec, Copper 2 Rec 30 yds

29-Oct BAL Henderson 0 Rec, Copper 1 Rec 25 yds

12-Nov @PIT Henderson 0 Rec, Copper 6 Rec 92 yds

17-Dec WAS Henderson 2 Rec 20 yds, Cooper 3 Rec 38 yds

24-Dec @NYG Henderson 0 Rec, Copper 2 Rec 46 yds

Besides the Pit game.. none of the other are really meaningful. Henderson out produced Copper in all the other 12 games.

Another to take into account is that the offense is still getting adjusted to Peyton's plays. The season began w/ a new QB, a new WR #1, traded away their WR #2, and developed an RBBC. So it should be interesting to see what happens.

 

[UCSBgerry]

Thought 2006, Copper out performed Henderson in 5 games.

1-Oct @CAR Henderson 0 Rec, Copper 2 Rec 30 yds

29-Oct BAL Henderson 0 Rec, Copper 1 Rec 25 yds

12-Nov @PIT Henderson 0 Rec, Copper 6 Rec 92 yds

17-Dec WAS Henderson 2 Rec 20 yds, Cooper 3 Rec 38 yds

24-Dec @NYG Henderson 0 Rec, Copper 2 Rec 46 yds

Besides the Pit game.. none of the other are really meaningful. Henderson out produced Copper in all the other 12 games.

Another to take into account is that the offense is still getting adjusted to Peyton's plays. The season began w/ a new QB, a new WR #1, traded away their WR #2, and developed an RBBC. So it should be interesting to see what happens.

If you are looking for justification that you made a good choice, I agree that he is a "okay" bye week filler. However, you must remember that he had 2 receptions or less in 11 out of 17 games and only 3 receptions in 3 other games. He is definetly a gamble and can pay off every 4th game or so.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Heres what I'm hoping from Henderson..

take his 32 rec 745 yds 5 TDs, he should improve on those #s.

now take Horn's 37 rec 679 4 TDs and divide it by a 60/40 spilt between Henderson and Copper.

that equals 54.2 recs 1152.4 yds 7.4 TDs... that would be awesome.

I highly doubt that he reachs that yardage.. but anything over 900 would be real nice.

 

[Sidewinder]

Heres what I'm hoping from Henderson..

take his 32 rec 745 yds 5 TDs, he should improve on those #s.

...

Also, realize that he DNP'ed 3 games, and barely played in a 4th due to injury. Simply based on that, one would anticipate a bump up in his numbers if he can go a full 16.Copper is the real question mark to me. As someone else posted, he's not that physically talented, but Payton loves him. He started the last season as the Saints 4th or 5th WR, and I bet didn't have more than a handful of targets in the first 7 games of the year (don't have my game-by-game target breakdown here at work). Of his 42 total targets, he likely had 35 of them over 8 games (between games 8 and 15, he did not play the final game due to injury). Also worth noting, he had zero drops in those 42 targets (compared to Henderson's 8 drops in 54 targets).

 

[ThePittbully]

Im not sure Devery passes up copper for that #2 spot, at least not by week 1. Although I think he's a good prospect, and definitely worth drafting, he's been inconsistent and I just think they trust Copper more.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Im not sure Devery passes up copper for that #2 spot, at least not by week 1. Although I think he's a good prospect, and definitely worth drafting, he's been inconsistent and I just think they trust Copper more.

why do you feel that way... if Copper is so special; why did Dallas dump his ###.

 

[Sidewinder]

... if Copper is so special; why did Dallas dump his ###.

All I know is that the Saints claimed him off of waivers after last summer's final cutdowns, and the Cowboys were definitely set with their top 3 (Ownes, Glenn, and Crayton). Guess they liked Austin and Hurd more than Copper. Perhaps a Dallas homer could provide some more insight on that.The main thing to consider is -- Copper and Henderson bring two very different skill sets to the table, and fit very different roles in the Saints offense.

 

[Bri]

... if Copper is so special; why did Dallas dump his ###.

All I know is that the Saints claimed him off of waivers after last summer's final cutdowns, and the Cowboys were definitely set with their top 3 (Ownes, Glenn, and Crayton). Guess they liked Austin and Hurd more than Copper. Perhaps a Dallas homer could provide some more insight on that.The main thing to consider is -- Copper and Henderson bring two very different skill sets to the table, and fit very different roles in the Saints offense.

3 rook WRs last year, although I can't think of the other name right now They're all supposed to be quite good but as always we'll see. They really didn't do much last year that's for sure.Most teams would like to roll with 4 or 5 WR and have one or two on the PS. 6 on the active roster seems a bit much nowadays. Copper was ineligible for the PS so numbers wise he limitted their options if they kept him. Copper's not an elite talent (and I don't think anyone in this thread is saying as such) and often times making the roster is a numbers game for the non-elite players. It's not that he stinks and a large large number of NFL players have been cut or "on the bubble" during their careers. Initially roster's seem big but when you start figuring it out yourself on paper, you'll see it is quite limitted.IIRC The Raiders were trying to get the Owners to vote for a 2 person addition to the active roster. I haven't heard much about it and to be honest forgot about it til now. Maybe that gets done before summer but I doubt it. It would help for future guys like Copper.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Devery Henderson-WR-Saints Jun. 17 - 6:55 pm et

Devery Henderson is "well on his way" to being the Saints' starting wideout opposite Marques Colston, according to the Biloxi Sun Herald.

While Robert Meachem (knee) rehabs, Henderson is lining up outside with veteran free agent signee David Patten in the slot. Henderson is in a contract year and could register WR3-caliber numbers in coach Sean Payton's offense if he can hold off Meachem for the duration of the offseason.

Source: Biloxi Sun Herald