Dez wont carry williams pads (1 Viewer)

[sholditch]

Seriously, this stuff isn't hazing. Calling it that is ridiculous. Teams would never permit real hazing because it would damage the health of the rookies.

 

[destro]

1.) This is nothing and will have no effect on Dez Bryant's NFL career or fantasy prospects. This thread is way for people to promote, protect, or convince themselves of the accuracy of their opinions on Dez, the Cowboys, and hazing.

2.) Carrying pads, in a vacuum, is not a big deal, but that is usually only the beginning of hazing rituals within NFL teams.

3.) Hazing is universally recognized by the fields of psychology and sociology as a harmful, barbaric practice, and there are countless studies to support this. I'm sure some of you had some really sweet hazing experiences, but I'm going to have to side with psychology on this one.

Sorry, but you can't walk in, drop that bomb and not leave a link. I dare you to provide any source that claims that something as benign as carrying shoulder pads or making someone sing a song is harmful and barbaric.

In the post you quoted, I said that carrying pads, in a vacuum, is probably not an enormous problem. Your dare amounts to putting words into my mouth. However, if you want to learn more about how one-sided the hazing "debate" is, simply spend five minutes researching it on Google. Your results will be filled with articles and studies on the negative effects of hazing and websites for various organizations whose sole purpose is to end hazing.

Your words, not mine. And it wouldn't surprise me at all that websites for various organizations whose sole purpose is to end hazing claim that hazing has negative effects. But that doesn't mean much. Just admit it, you overreached with the "harmful and barbaric" claim in this instance.

My words would not lead a rational person engaged in intellectually honest debate to believe that I thought carrying pads in itself is harmful or barbaric, especially since I explicitly said the opposite. Likewise, someone engaged in honest debate would not believe that I somehow implied that there were studies that said "carrying shoulder pads or singing a song is harmful and barbaric." I already said that such activities are, in a vacuum, not a huge deal. This is where you are putting words into my mouth.I also did not say or in any way imply that the sole place to look for information on hazing is sites for organizations focused on ending hazing. I simply said that that many such organizations exist, and a Google search would lead you to websites for those organizations. A quick Google search would produce a wealth of information from other unbiased sources. Again, you're not engaging in honest debate here. This is not worth my time.

Bottom line: Research what the psychological community thinks about hazing. Even a brief Google search would show you that most studies find it to be a seriously negative practice, and "harmful and barbaric" is not exactly an exaggeration of the general consensus. If you disagree with those studies, that's fine. My point was only that they exist, and that the general consensus of the psychological community is that hazing is a negative practice.

As for whether or not being forced to carry pads is hazing: it depends on your definition, obviously. Many studies use definitions of hazing that include any hazing-like forced initiation activities that simply make a person feel uncomfortable, and everything worse. Did being asked to carry pads make Dez feel uncomfortable? Who knows? I'm not real concerned about it. I already said that this singular act is not a huge deal in and of itself. I generally don't like stuff like this, though, because it often is just the initial form of more severe hazing activities.

 

[Christo]

1.) This is nothing and will have no effect on Dez Bryant's NFL career or fantasy prospects. This thread is way for people to promote, protect, or convince themselves of the accuracy of their opinions on Dez, the Cowboys, and hazing.

2.) Carrying pads, in a vacuum, is not a big deal, but that is usually only the beginning of hazing rituals within NFL teams.

3.) Hazing is universally recognized by the fields of psychology and sociology as a harmful, barbaric practice, and there are countless studies to support this. I'm sure some of you had some really sweet hazing experiences, but I'm going to have to side with psychology on this one.

Sorry, but you can't walk in, drop that bomb and not leave a link. I dare you to provide any source that claims that something as benign as carrying shoulder pads or making someone sing a song is harmful and barbaric.

In the post you quoted, I said that carrying pads, in a vacuum, is probably not an enormous problem. Your dare amounts to putting words into my mouth. However, if you want to learn more about how one-sided the hazing "debate" is, simply spend five minutes researching it on Google. Your results will be filled with articles and studies on the negative effects of hazing and websites for various organizations whose sole purpose is to end hazing.

Your words, not mine. And it wouldn't surprise me at all that websites for various organizations whose sole purpose is to end hazing claim that hazing has negative effects. But that doesn't mean much. Just admit it, you overreached with the "harmful and barbaric" claim in this instance.

My words would not lead a rational person engaged in intellectually honest debate to believe that I thought carrying pads in itself is harmful or barbaric, especially since I explicitly said the opposite. Likewise, someone engaged in honest debate would not believe that I somehow implied that there were studies that said "carrying shoulder pads or singing a song is harmful and barbaric." I already said that such activities are, in a vacuum, not a huge deal. This is where you are putting words into my mouth.I also did not say or in any way imply that the sole place to look for information on hazing is sites for organizations focused on ending hazing. I simply said that that many such organizations exist, and a Google search would lead you to websites for those organizations. A quick Google search would produce a wealth of information from other unbiased sources. Again, you're not engaging in honest debate here. This is not worth my time.

Bottom line: Research what the psychological community thinks about hazing. Even a brief Google search would show you that most studies find it to be a seriously negative practice, and "harmful and barbaric" is not exactly an exaggeration of the general consensus. If you disagree with those studies, that's fine. My point was only that they exist, and that the general consensus of the psychological community is that hazing is a negative practice.

As for whether or not being forced to carry pads is hazing: it depends on your definition, obviously. Many studies use definitions of hazing that include any hazing-like forced initiation activities that simply make a person feel uncomfortable, and everything worse. Did being asked to carry pads make Dez feel uncomfortable? Who knows? I'm not real concerned about it. I already said that this singular act is not a huge deal in and of itself. I generally don't like stuff like this, though, because it often is just the initial form of more severe hazing activities.

Yeah, stories of severe hazing are rampant in the NFL.The only one not being honest here is you.

 

[destro]

Yeah, stories of severe hazing are rampant in the NFL.The only one not being honest here is you.

Once again, I did not say or imply that. And why did you ignore everything but the last line? You clearly cannot debate this without resorting to weak, intellectually dishonest debating tactics.Although I'm sure there have been some instances of things going too far in the NFL, I seriously doubt severe hazing is the norm in the NFL. Can I not disagree with something because I feel it is generally a bad thing in our society, even if I don't think in this one, particular instance that it will amount to much? That's a rhetorical question. I've given you more attention than you deserve, so I'm going to let this one die.

 

[Christo]

Yeah, stories of severe hazing are rampant in the NFL.The only one not being honest here is you.

Once again, I did not say or imply that. And why did you ignore everything but the last line? You clearly cannot debate this without resorting to weak, intellectually dishonest debating tactics.Although I'm sure there have been some instances of things going too far in the NFL, I seriously doubt severe hazing is the norm in the NFL. Can I not disagree with something because I feel it is generally a bad thing in our society, even if I don't think in this one, particular instance that it will amount to much? That's a rhetorical question. I've given you more attention than you deserve, so I'm going to let this one die.

As you should. This isn't the place for your anti-hazing diatribe.

 

[DevilDog919]

Here is the Dez "Blow Up"

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/mu...2B19AA2D910E872

This is all being made out to be much larger than it actually is...

 

[Avery]

Here is the Dez "Blow Up"

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/mu...2B19AA2D910E872

This is all being made out to be much larger than it actually is...

That's the "blow up"? Sounds like he got just a bit frustrated, but continues to say all the right things.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

According to San Antonio radio, Bryant "blew up" at the media today "yelling and pointing fingers" in the faces of several media members who he said "stirred the pot." Bryant trying to become the next Terrell Owens without ever catching an NFL pass. I guess we'll see video of this soon, just what Jerry Jones was looking for as he loves himself a circus.

When I first read about the pads story, the first name that popped into my head was Ryan Leaf.Funny that he's now taking another page out of the Ryan Leaf playbook.Guy has all the talent in the world, but he doesn't have the mental makeup to make it in the league long term, imo. Reportedly the guy is so dense that the coaches at Okie St. had to routinely yell at him from the sidelines before plays, telling him what routes to run.

I was just popping into the thread to see if anybody had mentioned Leaf. The last Charger to not go along with this kind of stuff was Ryan Leaf. (Junior Seau tackled him in practice once because of it [despite the red jersey]. He got yelled at by the coaches. GM Bobby Beathard later said that in hindsight, he should have taken Junior's side on that one.) Maybe it means nothing...

 

[Tyrion]

This thread is almost half as long as the entire 2010 Cowboys offseason thread.



Quiet offseasons equal good things for the Cowboys.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

According to San Antonio radio, Bryant "blew up" at the media today "yelling and pointing fingers" in the faces of several media members who he said "stirred the pot." Bryant trying to become the next Terrell Owens without ever catching an NFL pass. I guess we'll see video of this soon, just what Jerry Jones was looking for as he loves himself a circus.

i've been searching for info on this and have not found any yet, I'm curious how this went down.

I didn't see anything either and all they were talking about when I was coming home on SA sports talk was about the incident. Chalk it up to these soccer and baseball hating hilbillies getting all excited that the Cowboys are here and making a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

[seahawk 17]

I don't know... when I was a freshmen we had "Senior Hit Day." A senior could call you out and just tackle you with a 11 yard head start, while you stood still.

I walked in the locker room and was having a bad day, when I heard it was senior hit day, I told them. "I won't be on the field, I'll be in the parking lot, be prepared because I will hit back."

My teammates loved it.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I think hazing is lame and reflects poorly on the organization that allows it, as well as the participants in it (on both sides). In college, I chose a fraternity that did not haze its pledges...and they really didn't. If you're treated like a man, you can be expected to act like one.

Now, it's fair to argue whether or not fraternities themselves are lame, but hazing is absurd and unnecessary. That's my opinion.

That being said, I don't see carrying pads as hazing. I don't think having rookies sing or whatever is hazing, either. It's not degrading at all. It's light-hearted and funny. There's a point where you can decide to along with a tradition like that because chemistry is critical in the world of professional sports. When you feel degraded, you take a stand and say no, tradition or not.

If Dez really finds carrying pads as a rookie degrading, I think that's weird. He is new to the team. It's a very mild way to show you're just starting out here. But if the team doesn't care, nobody else should. And it's pretty clear this isn't going to be an issue with the Cowboys.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

This thread is almost half as long as the entire 2010 Cowboys offseason thread. Quiet offseasons equal good things for the Cowboys.

How is this story equaling a quiet offseason for the Cowboys, it's a Cowboy related story........nothing but Cowboys?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think hazing is lame and reflects poorly on the organization that allows it, as well as the participants in it (on both sides). In college, I chose a fraternity that did not haze its pledges...and they really didn't. If you're treated like a man, you can be expected to act like one. Now, it's fair to argue whether or not fraternities themselves are lame, but hazing is absurd and unnecessary. That's my opinion.That being said, I don't see carrying pads as hazing. I don't think having rookies sing or whatever is hazing, either. It's not degrading at all. It's light-hearted and funny. There's a point where you can decide to along with a tradition like that because chemistry is critical in the world of professional sports. When you feel degraded, you take a stand and say no, tradition or not.If Dez really finds carrying pads as a rookie degrading, I think that's weird. He is new to the team. It's a very mild way to show you're just starting out here. But if the team doesn't care, nobody else should. And it's pretty clear this isn't going to be an issue with the Cowboys.

It is hazing though. I don't understand how people have their own definition of what they call hazing. There are all kinds of different ways to haze and one of them could be dropping your pads as a veteran and expecting a rookie to carry in your pads.In college, one fraternity had the pledges bring the fraternity members food to the table in the cafeteria, another one would have the pledges bring books etc...to the classes of the members, another one would have the pledges go and buy the beer for Friday night parties. There are other ones I don't feel comfortable posting on this site, but my point is there are all kinds of different levels of hazing.If what you're saying is that you think carrying in someones pads isn't that big of a deal, then I get it. To me, having someone tell me to get their food in the cafeteria for them because they didn't want to stand in line to get it wasn't that big of a deal. However, both are definately hazing. Hazing isn't only what you hear about in the army or some crazy stories you hear about in college.One definition of hazing I found: to harass with unnecessary or disagreeable tasks. Asking someone to carry in your pads because they're simply a rookie definately falls into that defintion....perfectly. There are other defintions too, which proves my point in that there are different levels of hazing, disturbing levels. I've read this thread so many times now and the debate about whether it's hazing and people thinking it's not because it's not that bad I finally had to post something.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Here is the Dez "Blow Up"

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/mu...2B19AA2D910E872

This is all being made out to be much larger than it actually is...

That's the "blow up"? Sounds like he got just a bit frustrated, but continues to say all the right things.

Rookie getting a bit of a taste of the poison media can bring. Nothing like a media fed scandal to test the metal....

"We're trying to accomplish something real big here"

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think hazing is lame and reflects poorly on the organization that allows it, as well as the participants in it (on both sides). In college, I chose a fraternity that did not haze its pledges...and they really didn't. If you're treated like a man, you can be expected to act like one.

Now, it's fair to argue whether or not fraternities themselves are lame, but hazing is absurd and unnecessary. That's my opinion.

That being said, I don't see carrying pads as hazing. I don't think having rookies sing or whatever is hazing, either. It's not degrading at all. It's light-hearted and funny. There's a point where you can decide to along with a tradition like that because chemistry is critical in the world of professional sports. When you feel degraded, you take a stand and say no, tradition or not.

If Dez really finds carrying pads as a rookie degrading, I think that's weird. He is new to the team. It's a very mild way to show you're just starting out here. But if the team doesn't care, nobody else should. And it's pretty clear this isn't going to be an issue with the Cowboys.

It is hazing though. I don't understand how people have their own definition of what they call hazing. There are all kinds of different ways to haze and one of them could be dropping your pads as a veteran and expecting a rookie to carry in your pads.In college, one fraternity had the pledges bring the fraternity members food to the table in the cafeteria, another one would have the pledges bring books etc...to the classes of the members, another one would have the pledges go and buy the beer for Friday night parties. There are other ones I don't feel comfortable posting on this site, but my point is there are all kinds of different levels of hazing.

If what you're saying is that you think carrying in someones pads isn't that big of a deal, then I get it. To me, having someone tell me to get their food in the cafeteria for them because they didn't want to stand in line to get it wasn't that big of a deal. However, both are definately hazing. Hazing isn't only what you hear about in the army or some crazy stories you hear about in college.



One definition of hazing I found: to harass with unnecessary or disagreeable tasks.

Asking someone to carry in your pads because they're simply a rookie definately falls into that defintion....perfectly. There are other defintions too, which proves my point in that there are different levels of hazing, disturbing levels. I've read this thread so many times now and the debate about whether it's hazing and people thinking it's not because it's not that bad I finally had to post something.

link to the definition, because that's not what it means at all.Hazing is a term used to describe various ritual and other activities involving harassment, abuse or humiliation used as a way of initiating a person into a group.

And disagreeable tasks could be anything on this planet. So if there is something you don't like doing at work, you're being Hazed?

This argument is pretty lame, you might want to abandon this one. If that was hazing, it was hazing at the mildest form.. And really, who cares what you call it. Someone has to carry the pads in... rookies/new guys get the $h!t work....

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think hazing is lame and reflects poorly on the organization that allows it, as well as the participants in it (on both sides). In college, I chose a fraternity that did not haze its pledges...and they really didn't. If you're treated like a man, you can be expected to act like one.

Now, it's fair to argue whether or not fraternities themselves are lame, but hazing is absurd and unnecessary. That's my opinion.

That being said, I don't see carrying pads as hazing. I don't think having rookies sing or whatever is hazing, either. It's not degrading at all. It's light-hearted and funny. There's a point where you can decide to along with a tradition like that because chemistry is critical in the world of professional sports. When you feel degraded, you take a stand and say no, tradition or not.

If Dez really finds carrying pads as a rookie degrading, I think that's weird. He is new to the team. It's a very mild way to show you're just starting out here. But if the team doesn't care, nobody else should. And it's pretty clear this isn't going to be an issue with the Cowboys.

It is hazing though. I don't understand how people have their own definition of what they call hazing. There are all kinds of different ways to haze and one of them could be dropping your pads as a veteran and expecting a rookie to carry in your pads.In college, one fraternity had the pledges bring the fraternity members food to the table in the cafeteria, another one would have the pledges bring books etc...to the classes of the members, another one would have the pledges go and buy the beer for Friday night parties. There are other ones I don't feel comfortable posting on this site, but my point is there are all kinds of different levels of hazing.

If what you're saying is that you think carrying in someones pads isn't that big of a deal, then I get it. To me, having someone tell me to get their food in the cafeteria for them because they didn't want to stand in line to get it wasn't that big of a deal. However, both are definately hazing. Hazing isn't only what you hear about in the army or some crazy stories you hear about in college.



One definition of hazing I found: to harass with unnecessary or disagreeable tasks.

Asking someone to carry in your pads because they're simply a rookie definately falls into that defintion....perfectly. There are other defintions too, which proves my point in that there are different levels of hazing, disturbing levels. I've read this thread so many times now and the debate about whether it's hazing and people thinking it's not because it's not that bad I finally had to post something.

link to the definition, because that's not what it means at all.Hazing is a term used to describe various ritual and other activities involving harassment, abuse or humiliation used as a way of initiating a person into a group.

And disagreeable tasks could be anything on this planet. So if there is something you don't like doing at work, you're being Hazed?

This argument is pretty lame, you might want to abandon this one. If that was hazing, it was hazing at the mildest form.. And really, who cares what you call it. Someone has to carry the pads in... rookies/new guys get the $h!t work....

I'm not sure what argument you're talking about, I'm saying this is a mild form of hazing. It's at dictionary.com.......the 2nd definition under hazing as a verb, scroll down a bit.

As far as someone carrying the pads in, how about the guy's pads who's they are, that make any sense to you?

 

[fatness]

Here is the Dez "Blow Up"

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/mu...2B19AA2D910E872

This is all being made out to be much larger than it actually is...

An interview while he signing autographs. Some blowup.

 

[Abrantes]

This thread is almost half as long as the entire 2010 Cowboys offseason thread. Quiet offseasons equal good things for the Cowboys.

How is this story equaling a quiet offseason for the Cowboys, it's a Cowboy related story........nothing but Cowboys?

If this story is as tumultuous as the Cowboys' offseason gets, it has definitely been quiet.

 

[B-Deep]

This thread is almost half as long as the entire 2010 Cowboys offseason thread. Quiet offseasons equal good things for the Cowboys.

How is this story equaling a quiet offseason for the Cowboys, it's a Cowboy related story........nothing but Cowboys?

If this story is as tumultuous as the Cowboys' offseason gets, it has definitely been quiet.

are you trying to jinx it?????

 

[Mr.Underhill]

Here is the Dez "Blow Up"

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/mu...2B19AA2D910E872

This is all being made out to be much larger than it actually is...

An interview while he signing autographs. Some blowup.

So apparently it had nothing to do with him being asked to carry the pads of the guy he's trying to replace...cause everybody likes him and he likes everybody.Was it a "blow-up"? I don't know. But he was definitely bristling. For all the media bashing we do, if there wasn't a market for it, it wouldn't make the news and this thread wouldn't be on page 8.

He's feeling trapped. He took a stand based on ego and now he's been called out on it. So how does he navigate through it? Even if it's handled "in-house" and quietly in the locker room, people are still going to want to know how it gets worked out so they'll keep asking.

He doesn't strike me as the guy who will carry Roy's pads tomorrow and then laugh it off in a presser and admit he carried them. He could do that and just laugh it off as a mistake to buck a tradition and it would be all forgotten in a day. But he's probably worried about others seeing that reversal as an even bigger admission of weakness. And if he privately takes to the bit and it gets out in the press, it's the same as if he took to the bit in public. So he's feeling the pressure and is frustrated.

So he'll lash out at the press and accuse them of making a non-story a story. But of course, if it weren't that big of a deal, he'd have just carried the pads in the first place.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that a Toronto news station led their broadcast with this story.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think hazing is lame and reflects poorly on the organization that allows it, as well as the participants in it (on both sides). In college, I chose a fraternity that did not haze its pledges...and they really didn't. If you're treated like a man, you can be expected to act like one.

Now, it's fair to argue whether or not fraternities themselves are lame, but hazing is absurd and unnecessary. That's my opinion.

That being said, I don't see carrying pads as hazing. I don't think having rookies sing or whatever is hazing, either. It's not degrading at all. It's light-hearted and funny. There's a point where you can decide to along with a tradition like that because chemistry is critical in the world of professional sports. When you feel degraded, you take a stand and say no, tradition or not.

If Dez really finds carrying pads as a rookie degrading, I think that's weird. He is new to the team. It's a very mild way to show you're just starting out here. But if the team doesn't care, nobody else should. And it's pretty clear this isn't going to be an issue with the Cowboys.

It is hazing though. I don't understand how people have their own definition of what they call hazing. There are all kinds of different ways to haze and one of them could be dropping your pads as a veteran and expecting a rookie to carry in your pads.In college, one fraternity had the pledges bring the fraternity members food to the table in the cafeteria, another one would have the pledges bring books etc...to the classes of the members, another one would have the pledges go and buy the beer for Friday night parties. There are other ones I don't feel comfortable posting on this site, but my point is there are all kinds of different levels of hazing.

If what you're saying is that you think carrying in someones pads isn't that big of a deal, then I get it. To me, having someone tell me to get their food in the cafeteria for them because they didn't want to stand in line to get it wasn't that big of a deal. However, both are definately hazing. Hazing isn't only what you hear about in the army or some crazy stories you hear about in college.



One definition of hazing I found: to harass with unnecessary or disagreeable tasks.

Asking someone to carry in your pads because they're simply a rookie definately falls into that defintion....perfectly. There are other defintions too, which proves my point in that there are different levels of hazing, disturbing levels. I've read this thread so many times now and the debate about whether it's hazing and people thinking it's not because it's not that bad I finally had to post something.

link to the definition, because that's not what it means at all.Hazing is a term used to describe various ritual and other activities involving harassment, abuse or humiliation used as a way of initiating a person into a group.

And disagreeable tasks could be anything on this planet. So if there is something you don't like doing at work, you're being Hazed?

This argument is pretty lame, you might want to abandon this one. If that was hazing, it was hazing at the mildest form.. And really, who cares what you call it. Someone has to carry the pads in... rookies/new guys get the $h!t work....

I'm not sure what argument you're talking about, I'm saying this is a mild form of hazing. It's at dictionary.com.......the 2nd definition under hazing as a verb, scroll down a bit.

As far as someone carrying the pads in, how about the guy's pads who's they are, that make any sense to you?

They could clean their own laundry and prepare their own meals as well.And they can pay for their own food on rookie night as well... But will they? No.. Why? Because it's tradition...

Since it's been a league long tradition.... No, doesn't make much sense.

In my opinion, you are in a lose-lose situation. Because this isn't a situation where you can just side with Dez over a player you don't like (Roy), because Dez wasn't the only player asked to carry pads, Roy wasn't the only player asking. So, all the other players who asked rookies to carry pads are Jerks? Including Romo, since he had a rookie carry his pads as well..

So who's right? Your boy Dez, or your teams other players (the vets who expected the rooks to follow the ritual tradition)?

Should they all carry their own pads or just the ones who ask Dez? And if they should carry their own pads, should they pay for their own meals as well?

And do you not think the rookies should show respect to their elder veterans by following traditions, the same traditions those veteran players followed?

May be a silly tradition, but a tradition none the less...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So apparently it had nothing to do with him being asked to carry the pads of the guy he's trying to replace...cause everybody likes him and he likes everybody.

I wouldn't think so, since he was asked to carry 2 sets of pads. I doubt Roy wears 2 sets of pads....And I doubt he would have carried Austin's pads either... To much pride...

 

[fatness]

Was it a "blow-up"? I don't know.

Then watch it again. It's pretty easy to see 0 blowups there.

 

[Andy Herron]

This thread is almost half as long as the entire 2010 Cowboys offseason thread. Quiet offseasons equal good things for the Cowboys.

You're right. Last year it was "Punts banging off the scoreboard." What a joke. (It's actually a videoboard that shows replays. Scoreboards are located elsewhere) I posted then that it was getting blown waaay out of proportion. There was even a poll asking how many times it would happen throughout the season. Give me a break.I, of course, voted "zero' having been in the stadium and simply knowing better. But, of course, we will always have those who will make every effort to run with something. Anything. Anything to poke their fun at the Cowboys. The funniest part is, there are so many gullible people out there that will buy into anything and end up eating it later.

 

[coolnerd]

This thread is almost half as long as the entire 2010 Cowboys offseason thread. Quiet offseasons equal good things for the Cowboys.

You're right. Last year it was "Punts banging off the scoreboard." What a joke. (It's actually a videoboard that shows replays. Scoreboards are located elsewhere) I posted then that it was getting blown waaay out of proportion. There was even a poll asking how many times it would happen throughout the season. Give me a break.I, of course, voted "zero' having been in the stadium and simply knowing better. But, of course, we will always have those who will make every effort to run with something. Anything. Anything to poke their fun at the Cowboys. The funniest part is, there are so many gullible people out there that will buy into anything and end up eating it later.

While the Cowboys contribute to it, the male soap opera aspect of junk like this drives posts way more than actual analysis. Look at the number of well thought out threads that get 20 posts versus the huge Vick throwing a party, Big Ben being Big Ben, Jamarcus and purple drank threads do. Stories drive things more than analysis (for the most part).

 

[VaTerp]

This thread is almost half as long as the entire 2010 Cowboys offseason thread.



Quiet offseasons equal good things for the Cowboys.

You're right. Last year it was "Punts banging off the scoreboard." What a joke. (It's actually a videoboard that shows replays. Scoreboards are located elsewhere) I posted then that it was getting blown waaay out of proportion. There was even a poll asking how many times it would happen throughout the season. Give me a break.

I, of course, voted "zero' having been in the stadium and simply knowing better.

But, of course, we will always have those who will make every effort to run with something. Anything. Anything to poke their fun at the Cowboys.

The funniest part is, there are so many gullible people out there that will buy into anything and end up eating it later.

While the Cowboys contribute to it, the male soap opera aspect of junk like this drives posts way more than actual analysis. Look at the number of well thought out threads that get 20 posts versus the huge Vick throwing a party, Big Ben being Big Ben, Jamarcus and purple drank threads do. Stories drive things more than analysis (for the most part).

This is it right here and I alluded to it earlier. I have been a die hard Redskin fan since I was 4 years old. There are few things I hate more than the Dallas Cowgirls. Yet, I have been one of Bryant's biggest supporters in this thread and think the whole thing is overblown.Cowboy fans, please don't turn this into a self-pity party and claim that Cowboy hate is the cause of this. It's not. This is a story because of the 24-7 news cycle we now live in, people like to argue, are ready for football, and this is the only training camp underway right now.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I don't know... when I was a freshmen we had "Senior Hit Day." A senior could call you out and just tackle you with a 11 yard head start, while you stood still.

I walked in the locker room and was having a bad day, when I heard it was senior hit day, I told them. "I won't be on the field, I'll be in the parking lot, be prepared because I will hit back."

My teammates loved it.

Sounds intelligent.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Roy isn't his boss.

 

[Mr.Underhill]

So apparently it had nothing to do with him being asked to carry the pads of the guy he's trying to replace...cause everybody likes him and he likes everybody.

I wouldn't think so, since he was asked to carry 2 sets of pads. I doubt Roy wears 2 sets of pads....And I doubt he would have carried Austin's pads either... To much pride...

Exactly.

Was it a "blow-up"? I don't know.

Then watch it again. It's pretty easy to see 0 blowups there.

I've seen it several times. It guess it was a blow-up. He obviously wasn't happy about being asked about it. He was visibly agitated. His voice was raised compared to other answers he gave. He was defensive and he was accusatory. Was it as memorable or entertaining as Dennie Green's "crown their a_ses" tirade? No. But then is a tirade the same thing as a blow-up? Is there an objective standard for what constitutes a blow-up? I'm asking because your last response indicates you seem to think you know what it is.******************************NFL Total Access had a segment on this, BTW. Faulk, Sapp and even Irvin (after being pinned down on it) all said he should have carried the pads but Faulk (and Sapp, IIRC) said it's concerning because it could be Bryant coming from a me first, arrogant perspective. And they all carried pads when they were rookies. Faulk was pretty convincing when he talked about the fact that he was that high pick guy and he did his share. I don't buy that Dez's attitude on this is somehow a positive. If Faulk "got it" enough to shut the eff up and carry the pads and yet go on to be the uber-stud and a respected leader, I ain't buying that Bryant's attitude is somehow a sign of great things to come.Interestingly, Irvin said that Dez told him that no one ever told him about the tradition before he was asked to carry the pads. I think that's BS and Faulk called BS on that too. If nothing else I'd guarantee that he went through something like this at the college level. Hell, I knew rookies get asked to do stuff like this and I didn't play ball past highschool. How can I know it and Bryant not? I think Bryant's trying to lie his way out of the controversy which just gives him another black eye in my book. He's making it worse cause he's just opened himself up to a fact check. How's he going to respond when some reporter asks him how other rookies on the team knew what to expect? He wasn't the only rook asked to carry pads was he?Geez, if he'd just own up to it and say he made a prideful mistake and ham it up, the story would be gone in 24 hours. He and Roy might even get to parlay it into an ESPN commercial. But I don't think his ego can handle that. Roy is so not worth this, but I don't think Dez can see that.