DHB (1 Viewer)

[rowdywalker]

This guy is an enigma and I avoided him in drafts last year but there is a lot of hype coming from the Raiders camp about him. Murphy and Schilens are injured and he has a better QB in Campbell this year. So there are a few positives.

So are you guys buying it? If you were to comparing him with this years batch of rookies where would you rank him?

 

[Hagger]

I really don't see DHB doing much this season. I think he's still at least a year away from significantly contributing, if ever. I still think Schilens is the best WR of the group, though I'm getting tired of waiting on him to bloom. I'm not buying.

 

[firstseason1988]

I already bought when I traded up in the 2nd round last year. His stock is low, can't trade him, I have room for him, just wait and see. I do like what I am hearing. It would be nice, if nothing else, he partakes in the 3rd year WR rule.

 

[Warpig]

I think he's pretty decent value considering you can get him super late. You gotta consider, that he's possibly a #1 WR on a team that everyone is saying will be much improved. What's not to like? He's on a team with a solid, not great QB, a good running game, not much competition at WR other than an injury prone guy in Schilens and another unproven 2nd year player in Murphy. He's gonna get every opportunity to contribute (see D-Mac). I think as long as he continues to progress and stay healthy and with some stability at QB, he'll be just fine. Maybe not stud #1 WR, but servicable #1 to solid #2 WR.

I guess you could probably use Santana Moss's numbers over the years with Campbell as a starting point and equate from those numbers. Fairly similar offenses when you consider the Skins and Raiders both have stud TE's, good running games, improving defenses, and unimpressive WR's. Take into consideration that the Raiders are playing in one of the weakest divisions against some of the more porous defenses.

I think he's great value. You may have to sit on him for a few weaks. And once/if he has a few solid games, you could always trade him if you prefer.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think he's pretty decent value considering you can get him super late. You gotta consider, that he's possibly a #1 WR on a team that everyone is saying will be much improved. What's not to like? He's on a team with a solid, not great QB, a good running game, not much competition at WR other than an injury prone guy in Schilens and another unproven 2nd year player in Murphy. He's gonna get every opportunity to contribute (see D-Mac). I think as long as he continues to progress and stay healthy and with some stability at QB, he'll be just fine. Maybe not stud #1 WR, but servicable #1 to solid #2 WR.

I guess you could probably use Santana Moss's numbers over the years with Campbell as a starting point and equate from those numbers. Fairly similar offenses when you consider the Skins and Raiders both have stud TE's, good running games, improving defenses, and unimpressive WR's. Take into consideration that the Raiders are playing in one of the weakest divisions against some of the more porous defenses.

I think he's great value. You may have to sit on him for a few weaks. And once/if he has a few solid games, you could always trade him if you prefer.

Moss was flashing a lot of skills early in his career and then had a 1,400+ yd season. Do you see that happening?

 

[zadok]

Not buying it. Until he proves he can catch the ball and do something with it, he is a titanic bust.

 

[Don Quixote]

Not buying it. It was more than just QB play that held him back last year. He's got a lot to work on. Compared to this year's rookies, maybe around Mardy Gilyard/Taylor Price.

 

[Mark Wimer]

I just drafted him in a 14-team IDP league as my #3 WR. I waited until relatively late to draft WRs, and I am rolling the dice on several projects at that position.

I like everything I've heard out of OTAs/training camp, and am willing to see if he can fill the WR #3 role. But I have a high tolerance for risk, and I'll back him up with 4 or 5 more "projects" in late rounds so I can pull the plug on Heyward-Bey quickly if I need to.

My .

 

[Nagle2998]

I picked him up in almost every league I'm in because he was so cheap I don't see how people give up on first round rookies so quickly. I play in all dynasty leagues and I don't expect him to turn it around this year but I also wouldn't give up on any top rated rookie because of one bad year.

 

[Ack88]

DHB will show some improvement and Schillens has played well when healthly, but the guy I like, long term for Oakland is Louis Murphy, who can be had very late in drafts.

 

[One]

Will he vastly improve? I think so.

...but I doubt he'll be relevant in fantasy leagues for a while.

 

[massraider]

We heard that he was dropping stuff last year, then he had the year he did.

It's nice to hear he's doing well this year, it actually is a complete 180 from what I read last summer. Glad to hear it, but that's as a Raider fan, not a fantasy owner.

Fantasy-wise, I can't see it in redraft. In dynasty, if I had the room, I'd be trying to acquire him as a piece of another deal.

In redraft, his ADP is around WR70. That's not much risk, but the only way I can see him becoming even a lower end WR3 for owners is if he becomes the undisputed #1, Chaz gets hurt again, AND he becomes a red-zone target. I don't see all those things happening. The other thing is, is a piece of a muddled WR situation for the Raider offense really what you want to target?

The underrated guy in Oakland is Murphy, who for this year, at their ADP, is the guy I'd want. Chaz has to prove his wheels are healthy first.

And if DHB catches a bomb or two in preseason, I could see his ADP jumping up quite a bit, which would make me even less likely to grab him.

 

[TheFanatic]

I am buying into the hype in Oakland. I like what they've done in the offseason. I think McFadden will become Reggie Bush West and Michael Bush will get the majority of the carries. I think Campbell is a serviceable QB and can take a team to the playoffs by not losing the game for them (throwing bad pics or getting sacked a lot) but I'm not buying the hype on DHB.

I don't play in redrafts so it's not a matter of picking the guy late. I have to trade for him, and with the hype coming out recently people are holding and, frankly, I'm just not offering anything for him. I can offer some deep, long shot, keeper for him but then the other owner is going to try to gouge me since I am showing interest and making the offer. Nah. I'll hold onto my deep keepers and hope they pan out rather than trade for this guy...

 

[krsone21]

I'm buying the hype on DHB. I think those discounting him now will regret it down the line. I'm not saying he will make the pro-bowl this year or anything like that but I see a vast improvment from last year. I'm talking 50-60 receptions this year. DHB has been working hard all year long to become a better player. He stays late after practice with Aso to work on his game.

 

[Ray_T]

nope. I'm not buying the hype yet.

I figure he is a full year away from being productive.

 

[CravenM]

To me, things are good and bad for the Raiders receivers:

Good

Jason Campbell is a better QB than anything the Raiders have had in a while

Bad

Jason Campbell spreads the ball around a lot which is good for his team but bad for FFL owners of Raider QBs

Bad

DHB has a history of the dropsies yet has excellent physical characteristics

Good

DHB could take the same route as Roddy White who dropped everything the first 2 years until completely turning it around (for whatever reason)

Good

Raiders have several WRs with high talent levels and reps (DHB, LMurphy, ChazSchilens) but 1 of them are going to excel over the others and become Campbell's favorite

Bad

Which WR is it going to be?

 

[Warpig]

I think he's pretty decent value considering you can get him super late. You gotta consider, that he's possibly a #1 WR on a team that everyone is saying will be much improved. What's not to like? He's on a team with a solid, not great QB, a good running game, not much competition at WR other than an injury prone guy in Schilens and another unproven 2nd year player in Murphy. He's gonna get every opportunity to contribute (see D-Mac). I think as long as he continues to progress and stay healthy and with some stability at QB, he'll be just fine. Maybe not stud #1 WR, but servicable #1 to solid #2 WR.

I guess you could probably use Santana Moss's numbers over the years with Campbell as a starting point and equate from those numbers. Fairly similar offenses when you consider the Skins and Raiders both have stud TE's, good running games, improving defenses, and unimpressive WR's. Take into consideration that the Raiders are playing in one of the weakest divisions against some of the more porous defenses.

I think he's great value. You may have to sit on him for a few weaks. And once/if he has a few solid games, you could always trade him if you prefer.

Moss was flashing a lot of skills early in his career and then had a 1,400+ yd season. Do you see that happening?

What I meant is that you could take the numbers Moss put up with Campbell at QB and put those into an equation taking into consideration his numbers towards the beginning of his career and presently in his career. The teams are fairly similar so I figured you could take those numbers of Moss's and after some tweaking could come up with an idea of what to expect from DHB should he be the #1 WR. DHB has some nice measureables and he's pretty well grounded...just gotta hold on to the ball and do something with it after he catches it. And if I remember correctly, isn't that one of the things he was hyped for coming out of college...his RATC ability?

 

[rufan]

Not buying...if he wasn't a first round pick (and he shouldn't have been), nobody would be talking about him. Sure, he can run fast, but he can't seem to do anything else. Even his college production was rather pedestrian; not sure why people think he will suddenly start producing.

 

[NorrisB]

This guy is an enigma and I avoided him in drafts last year but there is a lot of hype coming from the Raiders camp about him. Murphy and Schilens are injured and he has a better QB in Campbell this year. So there are a few positives.So are you guys buying it? If you were to comparing him with this years batch of rookies where would you rank him?

I think in a 12 team league he's worth about a late 3rd rounder in non idp and I might give a 4th rounder in IDP

 

[NorrisB]

I think he's pretty decent value considering you can get him super late. You gotta consider, that he's possibly a #1 WR on a team that everyone is saying will be much improved. What's not to like? He's on a team with a solid, not great QB, a good running game, not much competition at WR other than an injury prone guy in Schilens and another unproven 2nd year player in Murphy. He's gonna get every opportunity to contribute (see D-Mac). I think as long as he continues to progress and stay healthy and with some stability at QB, he'll be just fine. Maybe not stud #1 WR, but servicable #1 to solid #2 WR.I guess you could probably use Santana Moss's numbers over the years with Campbell as a starting point and equate from those numbers. Fairly similar offenses when you consider the Skins and Raiders both have stud TE's, good running games, improving defenses, and unimpressive WR's. Take into consideration that the Raiders are playing in one of the weakest divisions against some of the more porous defenses.I think he's great value. You may have to sit on him for a few weaks. And once/if he has a few solid games, you could always trade him if you prefer.

I think Campbell lacks the deep accuracy to take advantage of his speed thats why Santana Moss has suffered over the years. DHB is not someone Im writing off but theres a lot better breakout candidate players out there I like better in that price range

 

[QUEZILLA]

In redraft his is worth a flyer. His dynasty value was never very high anyways so most owners can probably afford to waste a roster spot on him to see if he improves.