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I thought I would there was only 1 thread like this to go around per internet, but strangely it shows up everywhere I visit tonight...
Guy I'm playing Week 1 (league commish) has him. Dumbazz took Leinart in the 14th (this was 2 weeks ago), and I was throwing popcorn at him from across the room "He's not even gonna start you moron!" So guess what he does with the first WW move of the season?Best part is the big dummy is starting DA anyway.me and you the only two that ain't got him!
I got him with my 20th pick in FFOC league (mid-August), I got him with my last pick in my dynasty league (right when the rumor announced he was the starter 2 weeks ago). Wednesday night I took him in the 12th as my #3rd QB and starting him.He may not last the whole season, but he should be a great option to have.I also got C. Perry off waivers in two leagues minutes after it was announced that Rudi was cut.I picked him up off the WW right after Leinart threw his third int against the Raiders.
Yes, got him in the 18th round assuming that Leinart would suck.
proud member of the ''i own warner club''
he was only 5 bucks in the 35k contest.Warner OWNer
Not a QB2? 6 team league? The guy was like the #6 overall player in 6 TD leagues the last half of last year. He's coming/came for peanuts. I'd be more careful starting on the road, even then he puts up the yards (but a few more INT's). Warner's not a guy you drafted to be your QB1, but you'll likely get QB1 results.12 team league: Leinart would probably be a QB2 (and he's looked like uber trash since Whiz has arrived).Prorating #'s? Kinda like the McNoodle supporters (who gets drafted well ahead of Warner) have been doing for half a decade now? In any event, even anywhere in the viscinity of last year's #'s and he's a QB1 (Top 12 QB).
1) Against Seattle, Warner had 337 yards, 3 TDs, and 5 INTs. That's a pretty good day in a lot of leagues, even with the interceptions. Against Washington, he had 282 yards, 2 TDs, and 2 INTs. The only truely bad fantasy game he had all year was against Tampa (172/0/2).2) Last year, Warner started against San Francisco once (484 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs). He plays them twice this year.Washington once (282/2/2). He plays them again this year.St. Louis once (300/3/2). He plays them twice this year.Unfortunately he doesn't get to play against the AFC North again. Fortunately, though, he plays the AFC East instead. And if the Seattle game is so bad, you'll be glad to know he doesn't play them until week 17. The only real negative with Warner is his playoff schedule (STL, MIN, @NE). St. Louis certainly seems like a good matchup at this point. It's hard to say if Minnesota will be a bad passing matchup this year, or New England after losing their top corner in the offseason, but they're probably not great matchups. But even if you're scared of the matchups, Warner seems like a great guy to trade somewhere around a week 10 trading deadline, after he's blown up on STL and SF in back to back weeks.
talking about warner's playoff schedule is a bit much. 1 week at a time...
What I was trying to get across and is that Warner's starting position is tenuous at best, thus he is not going to be a reliable fantasy player the whole season. For this early stretch where is the sure starter for Week 1 and likely Week 2, he's a solid play. But he is a highly mutable commodity.Someone mentioned his great stats in the Seattle game "despite the 5 INTs". Well, in the NFL there is no "despite 5 INTs". That #### loses games. And as streaky as Leinart has looked, if Warner is the Turnover Machine he has been in the past and the Cards are 1-4 or 2-5, I think the staff will have to make the switch to Leinart.So while everyone is having a good old time patting themselves on the back for drafting Warner so late, I highly doubt you get even 12 games out of him. As Winston Wolf would say, let's not start [bleeping] each others [bleeps] just yet, gentlemen.Not a QB2? 6 team league? The guy was like the #6 overall player in 6 TD leagues the last half of last year. He's coming/came for peanuts. I'd be more careful starting on the road, even then he puts up the yards (but a few more INT's). Warner's not a guy you drafted to be your QB1, but you'll likely get QB1 results.12 team league: Leinart would probably be a QB2 (and he's looked like uber trash since Whiz has arrived).Prorating #'s? Kinda like the McNoodle supporters (who gets drafted well ahead of Warner) have been doing for half a decade now? In any event, even anywhere in the viscinity of last year's #'s and he's a QB1 (Top 12 QB).
As they should. I highlighted what you seem to have overlooked: being drafted LATE. Most good drafters have secured very competitive cores by the 9th, 10th, and later rounds, making him a great value. Period. If you want to talk about McNabb being a gamble in the 6th or 7th, I get it, he has an injury riddled past, yada yada yada. But to say that we shouldn't be excited about getting a possible TOP producer at the position for cheap, then you sir are mistaken.What I was trying to get across and is that Warner's starting position is tenuous at best, thus he is not going to be a reliable fantasy player the whole season. For this early stretch where is the sure starter for Week 1 and likely Week 2, he's a solid play. But he is a highly mutable commodity.Someone mentioned his great stats in the Seattle game "despite the 5 INTs". Well, in the NFL there is no "despite 5 INTs". That #### loses games. And as streaky as Leinart has looked, if Warner is the Turnover Machine he has been in the past and the Cards are 1-4 or 2-5, I think the staff will have to make the switch to Leinart.
So while everyone is having a good old time patting themselves on the back for drafting Warner so late, I highly doubt you get even 12 games out of him. As Winston Wolf would say, let's not start [bleeping] each others [bleeps] just yet, gentlemen.
How many times does each player get selected in your league?
I suppose my view is somewhat skewed as my only draft was Labor Day Weekend after he was announced the starter and he went higher than I would have taken him. Anyway, enjoy him while you can, but I feel like I%ve seen this movie before and know how it ends.As they should. I highlighted what you seem to have overlooked: being drafted LATE. Most good drafters have secured very competitive cores by the 9th, 10th, and later rounds, making him a great value. Period. If you want to talk about McNabb being a gamble in the 6th or 7th, I get it, he has an injury riddled past, yada yada yada. But to say that we shouldn%t be excited about getting a possible TOP producer at the position for cheap, then you sir are mistaken.What I was trying to get across and is that Warner%s starting position is tenuous at best, thus he is not going to be a reliable fantasy player the whole season. For this early stretch where is the sure starter for Week 1 and likely Week 2, he%s a solid play. But he is a highly mutable commodity.Someone mentioned his great stats in the Seattle game "despite the 5 INTs". Well, in the NFL there is no "despite 5 INTs". That #### loses games. And as streaky as Leinart has looked, if Warner is the Turnover Machine he has been in the past and the Cards are 1-4 or 2-5, I think the staff will have to make the switch to Leinart.Not a QB2? 6 team league? The guy was like the #6 overall player in 6 TD leagues the last half of last year. He%s coming/came for peanuts. I%d be more careful starting on the road, even then he puts up the yards (but a few more INT%s). Warner%s not a guy you drafted to be your QB1, but you%ll likely get QB1 results.12 team league: Leinart would probably be a QB2 (and he%s looked like uber trash since Whiz has arrived).
Prorating #%s? Kinda like the McNoodle supporters (who gets drafted well ahead of Warner) have been doing for half a decade now? In any event, even anywhere in the viscinity of last year%s #%s and he%s a QB1 (Top 12 QB).
So while everyone is having a good old time patting themselves on the back for drafting Warner so late, I highly doubt you get even 12 games out of him. As Winston Wolf would say, let%s not start [bleeping] each others [bleeps] just yet, gentlemen.
Warner's stats last year were clearly blown out of proportion seeing as 7 of the 10 teams he played were among the worst in the league vs. the pass. Looking at the schedule this year, you cannot tell for sure, but it doesn't appear he'll have that luxury again. Again, when he faced those teams he threw 5 TDs vs 9 INTs, that prorates to 46 INT's. Now that is as unrealistic as prorating his stats for the bad teams. I don't consider a game where a guy throws 5 picks to be a decent day. Sure its nice from a fantasy perspective, but how long will it last until the plug is pulled on Warner as the starter? Do you really think they'll keep trotting him out there if he's tossing 2-3 INT's/game? I don't. Not that Leinart will fair any better, but I think its clearly going to be a short leash here. I agree that Warner is obviously a nice matchups guy, but his end of the year numbers were definately inflated by playing some of the worst pass defenses last year. I wouldn't mind having him on my team, but with the injury risk combined with the inconsistent play and Leinart right behind him, I'd be surprised to see Warner in there as the starter for all 16 games.
Mine was, too. Admittedly, I play in one league filled with only a few sharks and more guppies. But, I will be keeping an eye out for a WW QB, because there are no guarantees and I full expect there to be a curve ball thrown in with the Warner bit.tombonneau said:I suppose my view is somewhat skewed as my only draft was Labor Day Weekend after he was announced the starter and he went higher than I would have taken him. Anyway, enjoy him while you can, but I feel like I%ve seen this movie before and know how it ends.As they should. I highlighted what you seem to have overlooked: being drafted LATE. Most good drafters have secured very competitive cores by the 9th, 10th, and later rounds, making him a great value. Period. If you want to talk about McNabb being a gamble in the 6th or 7th, I get it, he has an injury riddled past, yada yada yada. But to say that we shouldn%t be excited about getting a possible TOP producer at the position for cheap, then you sir are mistaken.What I was trying to get across and is that Warner%s starting position is tenuous at best, thus he is not going to be a reliable fantasy player the whole season. For this early stretch where is the sure starter for Week 1 and likely Week 2, he%s a solid play. But he is a highly mutable commodity.Someone mentioned his great stats in the Seattle game "despite the 5 INTs". Well, in the NFL there is no "despite 5 INTs". That #### loses games. And as streaky as Leinart has looked, if Warner is the Turnover Machine he has been in the past and the Cards are 1-4 or 2-5, I think the staff will have to make the switch to Leinart.Not a QB2? 6 team league? The guy was like the #6 overall player in 6 TD leagues the last half of last year. He%s coming/came for peanuts. I%d be more careful starting on the road, even then he puts up the yards (but a few more INT%s). Warner%s not a guy you drafted to be your QB1, but you%ll likely get QB1 results.12 team league: Leinart would probably be a QB2 (and he%s looked like uber trash since Whiz has arrived).
Prorating #%s? Kinda like the McNoodle supporters (who gets drafted well ahead of Warner) have been doing for half a decade now? In any event, even anywhere in the viscinity of last year%s #%s and he%s a QB1 (Top 12 QB).
So while everyone is having a good old time patting themselves on the back for drafting Warner so late, I highly doubt you get even 12 games out of him. As Winston Wolf would say, let%s not start [bleeping] each others [bleeps] just yet, gentlemen.
while i agree the value is great, getting that value doesn't automatically transform into performance. That seems to be the disconnect here. Everyone that has him believes the value they got for him is so great, he's going to put of 4500 and 30. That is the very convoluted logic that lead me to ask this question. Time will tell...MCguidance said:As they should. I highlighted what you seem to have overlooked: being drafted LATE. Most good drafters have secured very competitive cores by the 9th, 10th, and later rounds, making him a great value. Period. If you want to talk about McNabb being a gamble in the 6th or 7th, I get it, he has an injury riddled past, yada yada yada. But to say that we shouldn't be excited about getting a possible TOP producer at the position for cheap, then you sir are mistaken.tombonneau said:What I was trying to get across and is that Warner's starting position is tenuous at best, thus he is not going to be a reliable fantasy player the whole season. For this early stretch where is the sure starter for Week 1 and likely Week 2, he's a solid play. But he is a highly mutable commodity.Someone mentioned his great stats in the Seattle game "despite the 5 INTs". Well, in the NFL there is no "despite 5 INTs". That #### loses games. And as streaky as Leinart has looked, if Warner is the Turnover Machine he has been in the past and the Cards are 1-4 or 2-5, I think the staff will have to make the switch to Leinart.millertyme1 said:tombonneau said:
Prorating #'s? Kinda like the McNoodle supporters (who gets drafted well ahead of Warner) have been doing for half a decade now? In any event, even anywhere in the viscinity of last year's #'s and he's a QB1 (Top 12 QB).
So while everyone is having a good old time patting themselves on the back for drafting Warner so late, I highly doubt you get even 12 games out of him. As Winston Wolf would say, let's not start [bleeping] each others [bleeps] just yet, gentlemen. :(
23.14 in a 12-team 20 round draft and someone also slipped me a ham samwich.15.8 and starting this week over Cutler (and Vince Young).Got him at 7.3.
What I think is being lost here is that it won't kill many teams if Warner doesn't go 4500 30. If he does, then it's uber value. If he doesn't go off? It's a 10th round pick. It really is as simple as that. I'm not saying value equals performance. I'm saying that by taking a chance with a late round pick with this much upside is a good fantasy move, regardless of the production.while i agree the value is great, getting that value doesn't automatically transform into performance. That seems to be the disconnect here. Everyone that has him believes the value they got for him is so great, he's going to put of 4500 and 30. That is the very convoluted logic that lead me to ask this question. Time will tell...MCguidance said:As they should. I highlighted what you seem to have overlooked: being drafted LATE. Most good drafters have secured very competitive cores by the 9th, 10th, and later rounds, making him a great value. Period. If you want to talk about McNabb being a gamble in the 6th or 7th, I get it, he has an injury riddled past, yada yada yada. But to say that we shouldn't be excited about getting a possible TOP producer at the position for cheap, then you sir are mistaken.tombonneau said:What I was trying to get across and is that Warner's starting position is tenuous at best, thus he is not going to be a reliable fantasy player the whole season. For this early stretch where is the sure starter for Week 1 and likely Week 2, he's a solid play. But he is a highly mutable commodity.Someone mentioned his great stats in the Seattle game "despite the 5 INTs". Well, in the NFL there is no "despite 5 INTs". That #### loses games. And as streaky as Leinart has looked, if Warner is the Turnover Machine he has been in the past and the Cards are 1-4 or 2-5, I think the staff will have to make the switch to Leinart.millertyme1 said:tombonneau said:Not a QB2? 6 team league? The guy was like the #6 overall player in 6 TD leagues the last half of last year. He's coming/came for peanuts. I'd be more careful starting on the road, even then he puts up the yards (but a few more INT's). Warner's not a guy you drafted to be your QB1, but you'll likely get QB1 results.12 team league: Leinart would probably be a QB2 (and he's looked like uber trash since Whiz has arrived).
Prorating #'s? Kinda like the McNoodle supporters (who gets drafted well ahead of Warner) have been doing for half a decade now? In any event, even anywhere in the viscinity of last year's #'s and he's a QB1 (Top 12 QB).
So while everyone is having a good old time patting themselves on the back for drafting Warner so late, I highly doubt you get even 12 games out of him. As Winston Wolf would say, let's not start [bleeping] each others [bleeps] just yet, gentlemen.
Now that's value!23.14 in a 12-team 20 round draft and someone also slipped me a ham samwich.15.8 and starting this week over Cutler (and Vince Young).Got him at 7.3.
Schaub will post better numbers than Warner this year anyways, consider yourself lucky.He got snagged one pick in front of where I would have taken him.
Sig bet ????????????????????????????????????????????????Schaub will post better numbers than Warner this year anyways, consider yourself lucky.He got snagged one pick in front of where I would have taken him.
SureSig bet ????????????????????????????????????????????????Schaub will post better numbers than Warner this year anyways, consider yourself lucky.He got snagged one pick in front of where I would have taken him.Had to settle for Schaub as my backup a round later. It was the one dark spot in a great draft otherwise. So it goes.
DoneSureSig bet ????????????????????????????????????????????????Schaub will post better numbers than Warner this year anyways, consider yourself lucky.He got snagged one pick in front of where I would have taken him.
As they should. I highlighted what you seem to have overlooked: being drafted LATE. Most good drafters have secured very competitive cores by the 9th, 10th, and later rounds, making him a great value. Period. If you want to talk about McNabb being a gamble in the 6th or 7th, I get it, he has an injury riddled past, yada yada yada. But to say that we shouldn't be excited about getting a possible TOP producer at the position for cheap, then you sir are mistaken.What I was trying to get across and is that Warner's starting position is tenuous at best, thus he is not going to be a reliable fantasy player the whole season. For this early stretch where is the sure starter for Week 1 and likely Week 2, he's a solid play. But he is a highly mutable commodity.Someone mentioned his great stats in the Seattle game "despite the 5 INTs". Well, in the NFL there is no "despite 5 INTs". That #### loses games. And as streaky as Leinart has looked, if Warner is the Turnover Machine he has been in the past and the Cards are 1-4 or 2-5, I think the staff will have to make the switch to Leinart.Not a QB2? 6 team league? The guy was like the #6 overall player in 6 TD leagues the last half of last year. He's coming/came for peanuts. I'd be more careful starting on the road, even then he puts up the yards (but a few more INT's). Warner's not a guy you drafted to be your QB1, but you'll likely get QB1 results.12 team league: Leinart would probably be a QB2 (and he's looked like uber trash since Whiz has arrived).
Prorating #'s? Kinda like the McNoodle supporters (who gets drafted well ahead of Warner) have been doing for half a decade now? In any event, even anywhere in the viscinity of last year's #'s and he's a QB1 (Top 12 QB).
So while everyone is having a good old time patting themselves on the back for drafting Warner so late, I highly doubt you get even 12 games out of him. As Winston Wolf would say, let's not start [bleeping] each others [bleeps] just yet, gentlemen.
Pretty much what I was going to say. I got him in the 15th round. Needless to say, I'm not counting on him to be my #1 or even my #2 QB. But when I saw his name still hanging out there in the 15th round he seemed like a pretty good value pick as my 3rd QB.Should I apologize for being a bit happy that I see my 15 round pick as the FBG's #4 QB for week 1? Show me better value.I'll bet I can get the Brady owner in my league to trade for him. And I'll bet I get better than 15th round value in return.
well, playing with idiots is nothing to brag about. It's easy money, but doesn't mean bragging about it is the right move...
