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Did the Eagles create a blueprint... (1 Viewer)
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That's true for almost every team in the NFL.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
So, wait, the Patriots won the time of possession battle, had over 400 yards of total offense, were better at converting 3rd downs, won the turnover battle 3-0, and scored more points, yet some are saying that the Patriots played poorly and that the Eagles play a near-perfect game? Interesting.
Dman30
Footballguy
Yes, the Eagles created a blueprint.
It was hilarious to see the patriots struggling with a mediocre Philly team playing with their 2nd-string QB. Pats flat out struggled to beat a team at home that more than half the league could easily beat.
The Steelers will take that blueprint and pummel the Patriots with blitzes.
It was hilarious to see the patriots struggling with a mediocre Philly team playing with their 2nd-string QB. Pats flat out struggled to beat a team at home that more than half the league could easily beat.
The Steelers will take that blueprint and pummel the Patriots with blitzes.
greenline
Footballguy
It's only because of the hype. This in turn creates delusion.
greenline
Footballguy
philly_battery_thrower
Footballguy
Dman30
Footballguy
problem?
greenline
Footballguy
Nope, carry on.problem?
twitch
Footballguy
Yeah. Your little brother Big Daddy Kane needs the other half of his brain back.problem?
Papa Schnay
Footballguy
All you can really deduct from this game is that they are beatable...
I think the Packers and Cowboys are more than capable of beating them if they meet (or meet again). Reference the old Cowboys game again if you want, but I'd like to think that the Packers secondary is as good/better than the Eagles secondary, pass rush D is better, and QB is just a *hair* better.
That's fine if they go 16-0, but it won't matter unless they win the Super Bowl...just ask those 15-1 Vikings from the '90s what is remembered most about that season.
I think the Packers and Cowboys are more than capable of beating them if they meet (or meet again). Reference the old Cowboys game again if you want, but I'd like to think that the Packers secondary is as good/better than the Eagles secondary, pass rush D is better, and QB is just a *hair* better.
That's fine if they go 16-0, but it won't matter unless they win the Super Bowl...just ask those 15-1 Vikings from the '90s what is remembered most about that season.
simmonjm
Footballguy
You should revise #2 to say bring pressure up the middle. Preventing Brady from stepping up in the pocket is almost as good as a sack.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
It's all about attitude and mental toughness. Too many teams go into a game with a powerhouse like the Patriots thinking that they have to play perfect, so the minute something goes wrong, they think they do not have a chance anymore. That is how the Bills looked last week. The Patriots hit them in the mouth right off the bat, and they just gave up. Last night, the Patriots hit the Eagles in the mouth with that INT returned for a TD right off the bat, but the Eagles fought back and went toe-to-toe with them until the end. The Eagles had the attitude. The Patriots are the best team in the NFL, but they are not unbeatable. Will they be beaten this year? Not necessarily, but they can be defeated. It is just a matter of having the right personnel, the right game plan, and the right attitude.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I don't think that's realistic or true. I think at the start of the season, there were only 3 teams who I could think of that it would be a failure not to win the SB.It was San Diego, NE and Indy.I do not use the term failure lightly. I'm sure teams like Chicago or Balitmore would be disappointed but wouldn't view the entire season a failure if they didn't win the entire thing.I think at this point of the season, you can pencil in Dallas and Green Bay into not having a SB appearance as a failure.
timschochet
Footballguy
That's really great, Mr. [icon]. all this guy did was predict the Steelers would cause the Pats trouble. No personal insults, like eom or yourself (calling me lame earlier)- all he did was predict Pittsburgh would do well against New England. But I guess even that's too much for you, you can't bear to even read anyone questioning your Patriots. I'm frankly surprised you've chosen to contribute to this thread at all, given your opinion of it and your vast silence during the game last night...You have chosen to ignore all posts from: Dman30.· View this post· Un-ignore Dman30
timschochet
Footballguy
At this point in his career, I don't think Favre would consider a mere SB appearance as a success. Ring or nothing for Brett.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
It wasn't so much an issue of not figuring it out, as it was having to play our 3rd string strong safety because of injuries.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Dman30
Footballguy
Thanks timschochet, but we all know how these Pats fans are, especially after a lucky win. In particular 3 or 4 of them and we all know who they are. I wish Joe Bryant would step in and give them a time-out for throwing around insults like they do.That's really great, Mr. [icon]. all this guy did was predict the Steelers would cause the Pats trouble. No personal insults, like eom or yourself (calling me lame earlier)- all he did was predict Pittsburgh would do well against New England. But I guess even that's too much for you, you can't bear to even read anyone questioning your Patriots. I'm frankly surprised you've chosen to contribute to this thread at all, given your opinion of it and your vast silence during the game last night...You have chosen to ignore all posts from: Dman30.· View this post· Un-ignore Dman30
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Insoxicated
Oh cut yourself down off the cross dudeThat's really great, Mr. [icon]. all this guy did was predict the Steelers would cause the Pats trouble. No personal insults, like eom or yourself (calling me lame earlier)- all he did was predict Pittsburgh would do well against New England. But I guess even that's too much for you, you can't bear to even read anyone questioning your Patriots. I'm frankly surprised you've chosen to contribute to this thread at all, given your opinion of it and your vast silence during the game last night...You have chosen to ignore all posts from: Dman30.· View this post· Un-ignore Dman30
I have had him ignored for months now because he is one of a handful of tools who charge into every pats thread spewing drivel about how this weeks' opponent is going to slap the pats in the mouth.. or how the pats need an asterisk...etc etc. etc. Do you not see that there are people who hate the pats who disregard everything this tool says?And on yourself? I said your threads are lame because they are overly numerous and cover rote topics that often already have threads discussing them (like this one). Am I the only person who busts your balls over your jackhammering of the "new Thread" button? I didn't think so. There's an old addage... where there's smoke there's fire. You have some good insights at times but you need to work on your thought to post filter and maybe not hit the NEW THREAD button every time something occurs to you.Given my silence during the game was covered in one of your other 20 threads.... I had a house full of people and was watching the game with friends rather than hovering over a laptop alone, hammering away at a keyboard talking to strangers on an internet forum. Sorry if that disappoints you but that method of watching a game is actually preferable for me... you should try it sometime
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pats3in4
Footballguy
Defensively, the Pats put together a specific gameplan for each opponent. The gameplan can't be all-inclusive (e.g. no bullshoit like, "Stop Westbrook. Stop Reggie Brown. Stop Kevin Curtis. Stop LJ Smith. Stop Greg Lewis. Stop Hank Baskett. Pressure Feeley. Contain Feeley if he scrambles. Cover the screens. Etc."). The Pats will try and take away a few of the offense's favorite things and dare you to beat them going to your 3rd, 4th and 5th options, figuring you'll make mistakes because you're out of your comfort zone.
In last night's game, the Pats clearly decided to 1) take away Westbrook and 2) Blitz Feeley. By taking away Westbrook, the Pats wanted to put the game in Feeley's hands. By blitzing Feeley, they dared the OL to pick it up and dared Feeley to make throws under pressure to guys not named Westbrook. Philly did and excellent job at both, Feeley in particular.
So the blueprint to beat the Pats really comes down to taking what the Pats give you, realizing the Pats are going to try hard to take away your favorite weapon. It's not as easy as it sounds as the Pats are 11-0 and have had really only two close games. Not coincidentally, in both of those games the opposition did exactly that very well; Feeley came up huge with the game forced into his hands and the Colts responded to the Pats taking away the deep passing game and Dallas Clark by a heavy dose of Addai. Teams can try and pick on apparent weaknesses (e.g. "The Pats can't stop the run. The Pats can't stop the over-the-middle passing game. Etc."), but those weaknesses can be covered up with gameplanning (as the Pats showed by handling Westbrook on the ground). Instead, teams need to beat the Pats' gameplan itself. Philly almost did.
In last night's game, the Pats clearly decided to 1) take away Westbrook and 2) Blitz Feeley. By taking away Westbrook, the Pats wanted to put the game in Feeley's hands. By blitzing Feeley, they dared the OL to pick it up and dared Feeley to make throws under pressure to guys not named Westbrook. Philly did and excellent job at both, Feeley in particular.
So the blueprint to beat the Pats really comes down to taking what the Pats give you, realizing the Pats are going to try hard to take away your favorite weapon. It's not as easy as it sounds as the Pats are 11-0 and have had really only two close games. Not coincidentally, in both of those games the opposition did exactly that very well; Feeley came up huge with the game forced into his hands and the Colts responded to the Pats taking away the deep passing game and Dallas Clark by a heavy dose of Addai. Teams can try and pick on apparent weaknesses (e.g. "The Pats can't stop the run. The Pats can't stop the over-the-middle passing game. Etc."), but those weaknesses can be covered up with gameplanning (as the Pats showed by handling Westbrook on the ground). Instead, teams need to beat the Pats' gameplan itself. Philly almost did.
Dman30
Footballguy
:reported:Yeah. Your little brother Big Daddy Kane needs the other half of his brain back.problem?
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Norman Einstein
Footballguy
great...another Patriot fans masturbation thread
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Yeah!!! we barely beat and AJ Feeley lead 5-6 team at home!!! WooHOO!
Dman30
Footballguy
Exactly, lots to be proud about. One week after Tom Brady was spewing at the mouth and bragging about blowing out teams no less.
twitch
Footballguy
You dont need to go to bat for guys that dont deserve it. He insulted Philly and NE in a single breath. It wasnt a commentary on the game. It was a slap in the face to a couple of teams that just provided us with one of the best games of the season. And those remarks werent as much genuinely hyping the Steelers, a team that has now lost to 3 teams with a losing record, one of which is 2-9 and coming off a 34-3 loss, as they were genuinely demeaning an undefeated team. He didnt bring anything to the table other than to bait someone into a confrontation. And frankly, he hasnt earned your support. And while I may not be in love with all your NE love around here being that youre a Steelers fan (or was it a Niners fan?), I appreciate your takes and respect your general football passion. Sometimes, guys need to fly solo on their takes. This is one of those times.That's really great, Mr. [icon]. all this guy did was predict the Steelers would cause the Pats trouble. No personal insults, like eom or yourself (calling me lame earlier)- all he did was predict Pittsburgh would do well against New England. But I guess even that's too much for you, you can't bear to even read anyone questioning your Patriots. I'm frankly surprised you've chosen to contribute to this thread at all, given your opinion of it and your vast silence during the game last night...You have chosen to ignore all posts from: Dman30.· View this post· Un-ignore Dman30
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Phlash
Footballguy
Protip: You're talking to a troll.Yeah. Your little brother Big Daddy Kane needs the other half of his brain back.problem?
twitch
Footballguy
yep. momentary lapse of reason on my part.Protip: You're talking to a troll.Yeah. Your little brother Big Daddy Kane needs the other half of his brain back.problem?
timschochet
Footballguy
Thanks for the kind words. I was more taking on [icon] than I was defending the other guy, whom i know nothing about. However, you're wrong about my expressing "NE Love". I don't think I have any. I simply decided that I was wrong about the "running up the score" issue, and I pointed out that you can't as a football fan watch that offense and not admire it's brilliance, whatever you might feel about the team. But these issues hardly make me a New England fan...You dont need to go to bat for guys that dont deserve it. He insulted Philly and NE in a single breath. It wasnt a commentary on the game. It was a slap in the face to a couple of teams that just provided us with one of the best games of the season. And those remarks werent as much genuinely hyping the Steelers, a team that has now lost to 3 teams with a losing record, one of which is 2-9 and coming off a 34-3 loss, as they were genuinely demeaning an undefeated team. He didnt bring anything to the table other than to bait someone into a confrontation. And frankly, he hasnt earned your support. And while I may not be in love with all your NE love around here being that youre a Steelers fan (or was it a Niners fan?), I appreciate your takes and respect your general football passion. Sometimes, guys need to fly solo on their takes. This is one of those times.That's really great, Mr. [icon]. all this guy did was predict the Steelers would cause the Pats trouble. No personal insults, like eom or yourself (calling me lame earlier)- all he did was predict Pittsburgh would do well against New England. But I guess even that's too much for you, you can't bear to even read anyone questioning your Patriots. I'm frankly surprised you've chosen to contribute to this thread at all, given your opinion of it and your vast silence during the game last night...You have chosen to ignore all posts from: Dman30.· View this post· Un-ignore Dman30
parrot
Footballguy
The first pick came on third down. It's depriving them of a possession if he knocks it down and they are forced to punt. The Patriots defense only had three possessions in the first half. The Philly possession after the pick burned up seven minutes. Whether you think it's a strong case for anything or not, it pretty unusual.
jurb26
Footballguy
No, Philly did not create a blueprint for beating the Pats.
A few things here:
1. Not many teams have the personal to use the schemes and system Philly did. None have as good of personal. Remember this scheme was created with the players on Philly's roster in mind.
2. NE/BB will study this scheme 10x more than any other team/coach will in order to figure out what was done and how they can beat it next time.
3. NE did not play well last night. They dropped several passes, and Brady forced some throws. NE still won the game, scored 31 points, had 410 total yds, 362 yds in the air, had 0 TOs, forced 3 INTs as well as 2 sacks, held the advantage in TOP with over 32 mins and had 7 penalties. It seems as though every one is just amazed that someone actually held Moss in check and this is the knee-jerk reaction.
A few things here:
1. Not many teams have the personal to use the schemes and system Philly did. None have as good of personal. Remember this scheme was created with the players on Philly's roster in mind.
2. NE/BB will study this scheme 10x more than any other team/coach will in order to figure out what was done and how they can beat it next time.
3. NE did not play well last night. They dropped several passes, and Brady forced some throws. NE still won the game, scored 31 points, had 410 total yds, 362 yds in the air, had 0 TOs, forced 3 INTs as well as 2 sacks, held the advantage in TOP with over 32 mins and had 7 penalties. It seems as though every one is just amazed that someone actually held Moss in check and this is the knee-jerk reaction.
parrot
Footballguy
What's hilarious is crowing about how the Pats struggled to beat a mediocre team, then bringing up the Steelers who have lost to Arizona and the Jets.
Norman Einstein
Footballguy
the New England area has more hours in their day??
timschochet
Footballguy
When I started this thread, I didn't have the Steelers specifically in mind. Although they could reproduce and possibly improve on what the Eagles did defensively, I doubt they can get the pass protection for Big Ben that Feeley had. Pass protection is the Steelers main weakness this year, the cause for all of their losses, and can't be fixed until the offseason. The question is a broader one: in order for the Pats to win out, they're going to have to win the following playoffs games:Round Two: Home against San Diego/Denver/Jacksonville/Cleveland. Of these teams, JVille provides the biggest threat.AFC Championship Game: Home against Indy or PittsburghSuperbowl: against Dallas or Green BayBefore last night's game, I thought maybe one of these three matchups might be competitive, up to a point, and the other two games would be blowouts. Now I'm not so sure. Perhaps 2 or all 3 of these games might be competitive, and NE might even lose one. Last night's game may have provided at least a hint of a road map to victory for one of these opponents. Did it?What's hilarious is crowing about how the Pats struggled to beat a mediocre team, then bringing up the Steelers who have lost to Arizona and the Jets.
twitch
Footballguy
Here's another small, unmentioned nugget factoring into the 'blueprint'. Be capable of scoring 50 plus points. Three teams have done it this year. Cleveland, Philly and NE, twice. And NE had weeks of 48 and 49. Philly and NE have tied for the season high single-game total of 56. Anyone recall that 56-21 Detroit beatdown Philly delivered a few weeks ago? Anyone else's favorite team out there dropped 50 on anyone recently? Anyone, anyone? Philly, NE and Cleveland. And as of today, NE's beaten 'em both.
Feel good about yourselves, Cleveland fans. Moving forward, your team may have the best shot.
Feel good about yourselves, Cleveland fans. Moving forward, your team may have the best shot.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I don't think anyone here is saying the Steelers are better than the Patriots -- only that they have the personnel that could take the Eagles gameplan and perhaps beat the Patriots. Personally I don't see it because the Eagles o-line did a marvelous job of pass protection last night -- something the Steelers o-line has not done well for most of the season. I also think the Steelers defensive backs play off the receivers too much. If they give Moss and friend that kind of cushion they're going to be in trouble.However if the Steelers play their "A" game and get a break here or there maybe they can beat the Patriots. I think the Eagles showed the Patriots do have some vulnerabilities.What's hilarious is crowing about how the Pats struggled to beat a mediocre team, then bringing up the Steelers who have lost to Arizona and the Jets.
You guys please chill. TIA.JYeah. Your little brother Big Daddy Kane needs the other half of his brain back.problem?
parrot
Footballguy
Absolutely the Pats have some chinks, and the Steelers have the potential to beat the Pats.I just thought it was funny that he was banging on the Pats for struggling with a mediocre team then bringing up the Steelers who recently lost to a team it would be a stretch to call mediocre.I don't think anyone here is saying the Steelers are better than the Patriots -- only that they have the personnel that could take the Eagles gameplan and perhaps beat the Patriots. Personally I don't see it because the Eagles o-line did a marvelous job of pass protection last night -- something the Steelers o-line has not done well for most of the season. I also think the Steelers defensive backs play off the receivers too much. If they give Moss and friend that kind of cushion they're going to be in trouble.However if the Steelers play their "A" game and get a break here or there maybe they can beat the Patriots. I think the Eagles showed the Patriots do have some vulnerabilities.What's hilarious is crowing about how the Pats struggled to beat a mediocre team, then bringing up the Steelers who have lost to Arizona and the Jets.
twitch
Footballguy
Apologies, Joe. Sorry you were bothered with this. Ill take the T.O.You guys please chill. TIA.JYeah. Your little brother Big Daddy Kane needs the other half of his brain back.problem?
videoguy505
Footballguy
that the Iggles lost, since I may have been the only person who predicted them to win, and was ready to bump the post late in the third quarter if they held on.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
The Eagles were a break away from winning last night. Yudkin said he never thought the Patriots were in danger of losing. I thought there was a real chance of losing last night.Feeley threw the interception to Samuel with 3:52 left. It was 2nd and 4 from the 29. It was conceivable that the Eagles COULD have run the clock under a minute and taken the lead. If it took 2 running plays (or short passes) to convert the 1st down, the Eagles would have had the ball around the 20 with a little over 2 minutes left. The Pats start using their TO's and if the Eagles can get 1 more 1st down without scoring, they would have the ball inside the 10 with about a minute left. They could have taken almost all of the time and scored to go ahead by 4. To me, this was a real possibility as the Pats were having a lot of trouble stopping Philly. At worst, you kick the FG and go to OT.However if the Steelers play their "A" game and get a break here or there maybe they can beat the Patriots. I think the Eagles showed the Patriots do have some vulnerabilities.What's hilarious is crowing about how the Pats struggled to beat a mediocre team, then bringing up the Steelers who have lost to Arizona and the Jets.
I think there is no doubt that the Pats were in trouble last night. That being said, they got out with a win and I fully expect them to put a hurting on Baltimore next week (I'll be at the game
).
