Dish Network is going to lose a TON of customers (1 Viewer)

[snogger]

Seems Dish Network has a bunch of babies running the network.

If they do drop these station I know we will be switching to DirectTV and I'm sure we won't be the only ones..

Dish subscribers who love AMC's "Breaking Bad" may be out of luck if a feud between the satellite broadcaster and the cable channel's parent AMC Networks isn't resolved soon.

Besides AMC, home to "The Walking Dead," "Breaking Bad" and "Mad Men," other channels that could be dropped include WE, which caters to females, and IFC and Sundance, which focus primarily on independent cinema. Dish's contract with AMC Networks is up at the end of June. Dish has just over 14 million subscribers around the country.

Dish Network Corp. said it is dropping the channels because the ratings for the networks do not justify a rate increase that it says AMC Networks is seeking. Dish also said it was not happy that shows such as "Mad Men" and "Breaking Bad" are made available on other platforms such as Netflix and iTunes soon after the shows have aired on AMC.

However, AMC is not the only network whose content appears on other platforms soon after a cable run. Some shows may appear on Netflix or iTunes within days of a cable run. In other cases though, shows are held off of other platforms until after the season ends.

In a statement, AMC said Dish's plans to drop the channels has nothing to do with the performance of its networks or their cost, but instead with another legal battle the two companies are in.

In 2008, Voom HD, a now-defunct group of cable channels owned by AMC, sued Dish for $2.5 billion for breach of contract. The case is wending its way through the courts and last week Dish lost an appeal, which AMC said is the cause for the bad blood.

"It is unfortunate that, because of setbacks in an unrelated litigation, Dish even suggests that they might deny their customers access to some of their favorite networks and shows that are offered by every other major satellite and cable TV provider," AMC said.

Dish responded that the Voom litigation is a "separate matter" and that AMC's statement "distorts the facts of the current situation and incorrectly attempts to tie together two separate issues."

Fans of "Mad Men" who are Dish subscribers don't have to worry. The show will have ended its season before June 30.

From another story:

The fight between satellite broadcaster Dish Network and AMC Networks -- parent of cable channels AMC, Sundance and WE -- took a nasty turn on Sunday night.

AMC landed the first blow when it ran a spot in its critically acclaimed drama "Mad Men" alerting viewers that Dish was planning to drop the channel at the end of the month. AMC suggested its viewers call Dish to complain. It also gave the address to a website where people could email Dish as well as learn what AMC said was the "real reason" Dish is dropping AMC-owned channels. AMC Networks had previously said that Dish was dropping the channels because of an unrelated legal dispute the two companies are involved in. Dish has said its decision is solely based on ratings.

Dish didn't wait long before retaliating. Less than two hours after AMC's "Mad Men" notice ran, Dish relocated AMC from Channel 130 to Channel 9069 -- without warning its subscribers of its plans. People watching AMC's "The Killing" saw their screens go black. When the picture returned, AMC had been replaced by Mark Cuban's HD Net, which was showing a Nickelback concert.

Frustrated viewers had to call Dish to find out where AMC had been moved to. Some of Dish's operators did not even know themselves that the channel had been relocated or where it had gone. (Typically, when a distributor is going to move a channel, subscribers are given notice several days if not weeks in advance.) AMC's other channels were also moved to the 9000 block.

In a statement, AMC Networks said, "It is unfortunate that, in retaliation for an unrelated lawsuit, DISH is punishing its customers by threatening to drop the AMC Networks, and with this sudden, dramatic change in channel position, making it extremely difficult for their customers to find and watch some of the most popular and acclaimed shows on television."

AMC said Dish has already dropped the Sundance Channel from its systems. Ironically, the cover of the June programming guide Dish sends to subscribers features a teaser promoting an article about a new Sundance series called "Push Girls," about women who have not let paralysis stand in the way of living a full life.

A Dish spokesman said the channels were moved to a location better suited to their ratings performance.

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[Brock Middlebrook]

RIP Dish

 

[Mello]

Without any regulation this is what will happen. The companies have to stand up against the stations and their ever increasing rates at some point. I guess consumers will decide if they are tired of their prices continuing to increase.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I think we are over-exagerating the impact of AMC in the TV viewing world - and in Dish's corner of the world.

I suspect Dish already knows the number of viewers it gets to AMC programming, and if it was significant, they would not be quick to push back here.

 

[NCCommish]

I think we are over-exagerating the impact of AMC in the TV viewing world - and in Dish's corner of the world.I suspect Dish already knows the number of viewers it gets to AMC programming, and if it was significant, they would not be quick to push back here.

Some of AMCs shows draw several million viewers. My guess is if they ditch AMC there will be blowback and they will lose subscribers. It's just too easy to switch.

 

[Slapdash]

A la carte

 

[E Street Brat]

I was watching kill bill on ifc last.night, and they were running a banner about being dropped from dish

 

[Jobber]

I'm scratching my head over the Dish claim that AMC shows are on Netflix shortly after airing. At best, a year after originally airing you may see a show like The Walking Dead, Breaking Bad or Mad Men. Hell, BB still doesn't have the most recent season on there, nor does TWD have season 2.

 

[snogger]

I think we are over-exagerating the impact of AMC in the TV viewing world - and in Dish's corner of the world.

I suspect Dish already knows the number of viewers it gets to AMC programming, and if it was significant, they would not be quick to push back here.

Some of AMCs shows draw several million viewers. My guess is if they ditch AMC there will be blowback and they will lose subscribers. It's just too easy to switch.

We have gone back and forth on whether to drop Dish and go to Direct TV... But up to this point stayed with Dish..

If Dish drops AMC ( I watch Walking Dead, Hell on Wheels, The Killing, Breaking Bad, etc..) and IFC where I have caught quite a few movies that I would have never seen, then we will be making the switch..

Truth is if I lived somewhere that I could get Cable I'd switch to that, but right now my Choice is OTA, Direct TV or Dish.

Being under no obligation to Dish, switching to DirectTV and signing a two year contract is easy enough to do.

 

[FatMax]

I think we are over-exagerating the impact of AMC in the TV viewing world - and in Dish's corner of the world.I suspect Dish already knows the number of viewers it gets to AMC programming, and if it was significant, they would not be quick to push back here.

Some of AMCs shows draw several million viewers. My guess is if they ditch AMC there will be blowback and they will lose subscribers. It's just too easy to switch.

I know I'll switch if they don't get this figure out in the next week or so. Just got to figure out where to go. Cable, Uverse, and Direct TV are my options.

 

[coolnerd]

Dish has nice history of aggresive (often public) behavior towards station/networks. they openly battled Fox sports a couple years back.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/01/technology/dish_fox_sports/index.htm

I know dish had a fight with another syndicate of stations before that and i can remember off the top of my head. they have stayed in business through all of these and i suspect this will get resolved at some point with everyone doing just fine long-term.

 

[TexanFan02]

Dish has nice history of aggresive (often public) behavior towards station/networks. they openly battled Fox sports a couple years back. http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/01/technology/dish_fox_sports/index.htmI know dish had a fight with another syndicate of stations before that and i can remember off the top of my head. they have stayed in business through all of these and i suspect this will get resolved at some point with everyone doing just fine long-term.

Yeah, they do this all the time. Brinkmanship, they'll let a station drop for a week and then settle for a lower amount.

 

[stbugs]

Well, I don't care about it right now, but if I can't watch the Walking Dead in October in HD on Dish, I am going to be pissed. Not so sure I would switch just for that, but I would definitely be working on some freebies.

 

[stbugs]

Dish has nice history of aggresive (often public) behavior towards station/networks. they openly battled Fox sports a couple years back. http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/01/technology/dish_fox_sports/index.htmI know dish had a fight with another syndicate of stations before that and i can remember off the top of my head. they have stayed in business through all of these and i suspect this will get resolved at some point with everyone doing just fine long-term.

Yeah, they do this all the time. Brinkmanship, they'll let a station drop for a week and then settle for a lower amount.

They battled Disney and they still don't have Disney channels in HD. Not as big of a deal since the kids really don't notice, but I sided on Dish on that one. Disney must have found some sort of language loophole that didn't specifically state HD, but nowadays, they don't even make non-HD TVs, so not sure how the judges in that case couldn't understand that Disney HD really is the Disney channel. I almost wish all the SD channels went away, no need for them now.

 

[snogger]

Dish has nice history of aggresive (often public) behavior towards station/networks. they openly battled Fox sports a couple years back.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/01/technology/dish_fox_sports/index.htm

I know dish had a fight with another syndicate of stations before that and i can remember off the top of my head. they have stayed in business through all of these and i suspect this will get resolved at some point with everyone doing just fine long-term.

Yeah, they do this all the time. Brinkmanship, they'll let a station drop for a week and then settle for a lower amount.

They battled Disney and they still don't have Disney channels in HD. Not as big of a deal since the kids really don't notice, but I sided on Dish on that one. Disney must have found some sort of language loophole that didn't specifically state HD, but nowadays, they don't even make non-HD TVs, so not sure how the judges in that case couldn't understand that Disney HD really is the Disney channel. I almost wish all the SD channels went away, no need for them now.

Blasphemy I have a 55" Projection T.V. that is 13 years old and it is where I tend to watch most of the sport games..

Watching the NFL or MLB in HD on that screen tends to cut off the part of screen where the scoring/time is displayed, or shrink it so that I can't read the score/time left.

As long as that T.V. continues to live, you can take the SD channels from cold dead hands

 

[Sarnoff]

A la carte

The cable & satellite providers should get their act together before Congress intervenes and forces it upon them.

 

[cstu]

A la carte

The cable & satellite providers should get their act together before Congress intervenes and forces it upon them.

Or before more people figure out that they don't even need to pay for TV.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Without any regulation this is what will happen. The companies have to stand up against the stations and their ever increasing rates at some point. I guess consumers will decide if they are tired of their prices continuing to increase.

Kind of self regulation.

 

[Mello]

Without any regulation this is what will happen. The companies have to stand up against the stations and their ever increasing rates at some point. I guess consumers will decide if they are tired of their prices continuing to increase.

Kind of self regulation.

Kind of. It will just inconvenience a lot of viewers that just want to watch their shows and are forced to pay for a whole lot of crap they don't care about if they want to.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

A la carte

The cable & satellite providers should get their act together before Congress intervenes and forces it upon them.

Or before more people figure out that they don't even need to pay for TV.

 

[Gr00vus]

DirecTV danced the same dance with Fox a year or so ago. Same threats, games, etc. They settled up at the last minute. Doesn't matter which provider you go with, you'll experience the same thing when these contracts come up for negotiation.

 

[snogger]

DirecTV danced the same dance with Fox a year or so ago. Same threats, games, etc. They settled up at the last minute. Doesn't matter which provider you go with, you'll experience the same thing when these contracts come up for negotiation.

I agree.. but I don't recall anyone moving channel's, without any notification, to an area 90% of subscribers never venture, to manipulate the ratings data.

 

[Warrior]

Without any regulation this is what will happen. The companies have to stand up against the stations and their ever increasing rates at some point. I guess consumers will decide if they are tired of their prices continuing to increase.

Kind of self regulation.

Kind of. It will just inconvenience a lot of viewers that just want to watch their shows and are forced to pay for a whole lot of crap they don't care about if they want to.

Forced?Funny how people think it's their right to watch certain shows, or they are "forced" to pay for ones they don't like.

There are other options...like Netflix, Hulu, and NOT WATCHING TV.

 

[TexanFan02]

A la carte

The cable & satellite providers should get their act together before Congress intervenes and forces it upon them.

Or before more people figure out that they don't even need to pay for TV.

Can you unpack this a bit?

They're talking about breaking the law.

 

[Mello]

Without any regulation this is what will happen. The companies have to stand up against the stations and their ever increasing rates at some point. I guess consumers will decide if they are tired of their prices continuing to increase.

Kind of self regulation.

Kind of. It will just inconvenience a lot of viewers that just want to watch their shows and are forced to pay for a whole lot of crap they don't care about if they want to.

Forced?Funny how people think it's their right to watch certain shows, or they are "forced" to pay for ones they don't like.

There are other options...like Netflix, Hulu, and NOT WATCHING TV.

What is wrong with you? I didn't say a thing about it being a right or not.Let's say the show is not on Netflix or Hulu or whatever. Let's say they want to watch that show. To do that they would be forced (yes, this proper use of the word) to play for all kinds of channels and shows they don't care about.

 

[Daywalker]

If you live in SoCal and have Dish about 30 Angel games are unavailable this year. Disagreement with Fox and hometown fans cannot watch the game. It's pathetic. Pathetic that MLB can't forsee issues like this as well.

 

[GoFishTN]

A la carte

The cable & satellite providers should get their act together before Congress intervenes and forces it upon them.

Or before more people figure out that they don't even need to pay for TV.

Even if you're not talking about illegal streams that drop out mid pass, I'm too spoiled by HD NFL and soccer to drop my subscription to anything at this point.

 

[pollardsvision]

Dish has nice history of aggresive (often public) behavior towards station/networks. they openly battled Fox sports a couple years back.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/01/technology/dish_fox_sports/index.htm

I know dish had a fight with another syndicate of stations before that and i can remember off the top of my head. they have stayed in business through all of these and i suspect this will get resolved at some point with everyone doing just fine long-term.

Yeah, they do this all the time. Brinkmanship, they'll let a station drop for a week and then settle for a lower amount.

They battled Disney and they still don't have Disney channels in HD. Not as big of a deal since the kids really don't notice, but I sided on Dish on that one. Disney must have found some sort of language loophole that didn't specifically state HD, but nowadays, they don't even make non-HD TVs, so not sure how the judges in that case couldn't understand that Disney HD really is the Disney channel. I almost wish all the SD channels went away, no need for them now.

Blasphemy I have a 55" Projection T.V. that is 13 years old and it is where I tend to watch most of the sport games..

Watching the NFL or MLB in HD on that screen tends to cut off the part of screen where the scoring/time is displayed, or shrink it so that I can't read the score/time left.

As long as that T.V. continues to live, you can take the SD channels from cold dead hands

While I'm not as passionate as you, we don't have an HD receiver for DirecTV and don't mind at all. Picture's plenty good enough for me. The score being cut off on HD screens is pretty annoying.

 

[Ilov80s]

Wait, Dish still has customers? Why?

 

[pollardsvision]

Wait, Dish still has customers? Why?

To get the RedZone Channel without paying $400?I've got DirecTV, but don't feel like getting the Ticket anymore. I wouldn't mind having Dish to get RZ without having to buy the Ticket.

 

[B Maverick]

Isnt dish also being sued by ABC, CBS, and NBC due to its Hopper?

 

[meatwad1]

The reason people choose Dish is because it is much cheaper than corporate cable and Direct TV when all is said and done.

If you dump it, be prepared to pay an extra $50 per month. If you are really frugal at this point in your life, just go with Netflix/Hulu and regular HD channels, lots to pick from at a cheap price.

Be careful in what you wish for in ala cart. I guarantee you will be paying HBO level prices for the ESPN channels, then throw in the same for the FOX sports channels that you like to watch your favorite teams on. Lord help you if a super cool show shows up on a channel that you do not pay for, you will have to ante up for that. Pretty soon some people will find themselves paying just as much for ala carteas you do for 300 channels. If you are a single person, I'm sure it might work fine. Good luck if you have a wife and kids though.

 

[meatwad1]

Wait, Dish still has customers? Why?

To get the RedZone Channel without paying $400?I've got DirecTV, but don't feel like getting the Ticket anymore. I wouldn't mind having Dish to get RZ without having to buy the Ticket.

Uverse lets you buy RedZone for $5.00 a month just on its own.

 

[Yenrub]

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

 

[StrikeS2k]

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

Over the Air down?

 

[Yenrub]

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

Over the Air down?

It is on and older TV but not on all of them.

Just pointing out that Dish is having problems again

 

[[icon]]

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

Over the Air down?

If I'm paying $75/mo for satellite, I don't want to have to **** around with OTA antenna for a local channel or two.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

Over the Air down?

If I'm paying $75/mo for satellite, I don't want to have to **** around with OTA antenna for a local channel or two.

It's actually a pretty cool ability. Adds another tuner to record to.

 

[[icon]]

Wait, Dish still has customers? Why?

To get the RedZone Channel without paying $400? I've got DirecTV, but don't feel like getting the Ticket anymore. I wouldn't mind having Dish to get RZ without having to buy the Ticket.

People pay for the Ticket? DirectTV has been pretty much giving it away to everyone for years now if you just take 10 mins to call and ask.

 

[[icon]]

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

Over the Air down?

If I'm paying $75/mo for satellite, I don't want to have to **** around with OTA antenna for a local channel or two.

It's actually a pretty cool ability. Adds another tuner to record to.

Great option.

Doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be required if you're paying good money for service.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

Over the Air down?

If I'm paying $75/mo for satellite, I don't want to have to **** around with OTA antenna for a local channel or two.

It's actually a pretty cool ability. Adds another tuner to record to.

Great option.

Doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be required if you're paying good money for service.

Of course. Carriage disputes are common for all the carriers. DISH is the most aggressive in contract negotiations, which is one of the reasons they have the best prices. It amazes me when people complain about losing a station for a short period of time. TV costs way too much already. I'm happy when my provider goes to bat to try to keep those prices down as much as they can.

 

[Yenrub]

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

Over the Air down?

If I'm paying $75/mo for satellite, I don't want to have to **** around with OTA antenna for a local channel or two.

It's actually a pretty cool ability. Adds another tuner to record to.

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

Over the Air down?

If I'm paying $75/mo for satellite, I don't want to have to **** around with OTA antenna for a local channel or two.

It's actually a pretty cool ability. Adds another tuner to record to.

Can you elaborate on this please

 

[stbugs]

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

Over the Air down?

If I'm paying $75/mo for satellite, I don't want to have to **** around with OTA antenna for a local channel or two.

It's actually a pretty cool ability. Adds another tuner to record to.

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

Over the Air down?

If I'm paying $75/mo for satellite, I don't want to have to **** around with OTA antenna for a local channel or two.

It's actually a pretty cool ability. Adds another tuner to record to.

Can you elaborate on this please

Interesting, I just looked it up. I have an OTA antenna that I have setup when I built my house, before Dish really had all the local channels via satellite. I don't care about another tuner to record as you must have to manually set it, but for times where you get a heavy storm/snow and the satellite goes out for a bit, it would be nice to have, especially for really bad weather, i.e. some sort of tornado warning, etc.

I looked at Amazon and it is $40 for the attachment, meh, not worth it. My satellite rarely goes out for longer than it would take to put this on anyway.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

Over the Air down?

If I'm paying $75/mo for satellite, I don't want to have to **** around with OTA antenna for a local channel or two.

It's actually a pretty cool ability. Adds another tuner to record to.

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

Over the Air down?

If I'm paying $75/mo for satellite, I don't want to have to **** around with OTA antenna for a local channel or two.

It's actually a pretty cool ability. Adds another tuner to record to.

Can you elaborate on this please

If you have an over the air (OTA) tuner in your DVR you can use it to record to. So, for example, my Hopper has three tuners. And I have the OTA tuner in it as well for an extra tuner. So I can be recording three shows (or more with prime time anytime but that's another feature) while watching a fourth. I use to have a VIP 722 before the hopper with two OTA tuners and I could record up to five shows at the same time including OTA.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

Over the Air down?

If I'm paying $75/mo for satellite, I don't want to have to **** around with OTA antenna for a local channel or two.

It's actually a pretty cool ability. Adds another tuner to record to.

Dish is having issues Capitol broadcasting here in Raleigh which means that I have no local CBS or local FOX

Over the Air down?

If I'm paying $75/mo for satellite, I don't want to have to **** around with OTA antenna for a local channel or two.

It's actually a pretty cool ability. Adds another tuner to record to.

Can you elaborate on this please

Interesting, I just looked it up. I have an OTA antenna that I have setup when I built my house, before Dish really had all the local channels via satellite. I don't care about another tuner to record as you must have to manually set it, but for times where you get a heavy storm/snow and the satellite goes out for a bit, it would be nice to have, especially for really bad weather, i.e. some sort of tornado warning, etc.

I looked at Amazon and it is $40 for the attachment, meh, not worth it. My satellite rarely goes out for longer than it would take to put this on anyway.

You don't have to manually set up anything to record from OTA. It shows up in the program guide just like Satellite channels, although it's colored yellow so you know it's an OTA channel.

 

[Yenrub]

Thanks for the info Strike

I didn’t know that some of these DVR’s have OTA tuners in them

I have the Dish setup that records all the primetime shows plus two other shows

How can I tell if there is an OTA tuner in the DVR?

 

[StrikeS2k]

Thanks for the info Strike

I didn’t know that some of these DVR’s have OTA tuners in them

I have the Dish setup that records all the primetime shows plus two other shows

How can I tell if there is an OTA tuner in the DVR?

Sounds like you have the Hopper. it's an add-on module (usb) for the Hopper. Here it is on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Network-Digital-Tuner-Hopper-ES194858/dp/B00B4X2JHY

Depending on your standing with DISH you might see if they can comp you one. Sometimes you can get freebies if you're in good standing. Can't hurt to call and try.

 

[Yenrub]

Dish has dropped the NFL network

http://www.iwantnflnetwork.com/

 

[McGarnicle]

Dish has dropped the NFL network

http://www.iwantnflnetwork.com/

That's just smart business right there.