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So what's week long stay for four in hell setting an out of state family back nowadays?  Include flight costs, four day passes, hotel on Disney premises, rental car, the whole nine. 
Too many variables. Imagine a flight is 400 a person but I don’t know where you live. Rooms will run you from 220 a night for the not as nice places to a grand a night. You can get good rooms for 4-500 a night. You can package park tickets in with your hotel but they’re probably a 100 a person per day. 
 

I imagine hotel and tickets would run you 5k for the week. 

 
Word of caution. Went to hop on the bus from Beach Club to MK this morning for early entry…schedule said next bus would be 25 minutes and there was already 20 people waiting. Said screw it and called a Lyft. Lyft app specifically asked if I wanted to go to the Transportation Center or the main gate area of MK, picked the main gate. See the driver is getting in the turn lane for the transportation center and told him I selected the other option. He said they can’t drop off there anymore and this was the only option. Tried getting him to drop me off at Contemporary and we would walk, but no dice.

For the amount of people waiting to get on the monorail (boat wasn’t running because of fog), it moved rather quickly, but took long enough that we got in to MK at 8:50. Next time, going to schedule the drop off at Contemporary and do the walk to MK.

 
Too many variables. Imagine a flight is 400 a person but I don’t know where you live. Rooms will run you from 220 a night for the not as nice places to a grand a night. You can get good rooms for 4-500 a night. You can package park tickets in with your hotel but they’re probably a 100 a person per day. 
 

I imagine hotel and tickets would run you 5k for the week. 
Brutal.  So glad I don't get dragged there anymore.  

 
Brutal.  So glad I don't get dragged there anymore.  
It can be rough. We had a great stay this past week but we barely went to the parks. The campground there is awesome and more than plenty to do to fill a day. 
 

Some pricy ‘camping’ though (we stayed in a cabin). 

 
It can be rough. We had a great stay this past week but we barely went to the parks. The campground there is awesome and more than plenty to do to fill a day. 
 

Some pricy ‘camping’ though (we stayed in a cabin). 
Yep.  Been there a few times as my brother in law takes his camper to Fort Wilderness during Christmas each year.  I was floored when I heard how much the cabins were.  I only live an hour away, but the wife knows not to ask me to come along when she goes.

 
Word of caution. Went to hop on the bus from Beach Club to MK this morning for early entry…schedule said next bus would be 25 minutes and there was already 20 people waiting. Said screw it and called a Lyft. Lyft app specifically asked if I wanted to go to the Transportation Center or the main gate area of MK, picked the main gate. See the driver is getting in the turn lane for the transportation center and told him I selected the other option. He said they can’t drop off there anymore and this was the only option. Tried getting him to drop me off at Contemporary and we would walk, but no dice.

For the amount of people waiting to get on the monorail (boat wasn’t running because of fog), it moved rather quickly, but took long enough that we got in to MK at 8:50. Next time, going to schedule the drop off at Contemporary and do the walk to MK.
Update on taking a Lyft/Uber to Contemporary and walking to MK…Had a breakfast reservation for Chef Mickeys and used Lyft to get there. Guard at the gate asked if I was staying at the hotel or had a dining reservation, then scanned my magic band to confirm. Not sure if I just had an overzealous guard or if that is standard operating procedure there. 

 
We want to buy someone Disney tickets for Christmas but don't want to pick their date for them.  Is there any way to buy Disney tickets without having to reserve the date up front?

We can do a gift card but that seems lame.  Would prefer it to be an actual ticket.

 
Update on taking a Lyft/Uber to Contemporary and walking to MK…Had a breakfast reservation for Chef Mickeys and used Lyft to get there. Guard at the gate asked if I was staying at the hotel or had a dining reservation, then scanned my magic band to confirm. Not sure if I just had an overzealous guard or if that is standard operating procedure there. 
That is indeed the SOP. It's mainly to prevent people who are going to the parks but not staying at the resorts from parking at the resorts instead of the parks. 

 
We want to buy someone Disney tickets for Christmas but don't want to pick their date for them.  Is there any way to buy Disney tickets without having to reserve the date up front?

We can do a gift card but that seems lame.  Would prefer it to be an actual ticket.
My wife, who is a Disney die-hard and has bought a ton of park tickets over the years, says "not that I am aware of." 

 
As we say good -bye to the Magical Express bus service on Jan 1, we found out that Meres will be shuttling guests from MCO to WDW (for a fee). 

Today, enter another service: Sunshine Flyer

for $17/adult and $12.50/child you'll get a themed coach bus right from MCO. But besides being another option, Sunshine flier will also have runs that got to Universal Orlando and the WDW good neighbor resorts.  

 
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That is indeed the SOP. It's mainly to prevent people who are going to the parks but not staying at the resorts from parking at the resorts instead of the parks. 
Yeah, when I went to the Poly in September,  I had the dig our bands out of the trunk for the guard to scan. I even showed him our reservation on my phone, but no-go. Seemed a little over-kill since I had the reservation on my phone.

 
As we say good -bye to the Magical Express bus service on Jan 1, we found out that Meres will be shuttling guests from MCO to WDW (for a fee). 

Today, enter another service: Sunshine Flyer

for $17/adult and $12.50/child you'll get a themed coach bus right from MCO. But besides being another option, Sunshine flier will also have runs that got to Universal Orlando and the WDW good neighbor resorts.  
yippie……another fee

 
yippie……another fee
well regardless the free shuttle was going away. We knew that we would be paying to get in/out of MCO eventually. This is just another option. However, IMO the biggest thing here is that it will be servicing UO. Up until now, WDW had a pretty solid control over the MCO > WDW bubble flow. People would dismiss going to UO simply b/c of the expense in getting there. Now with all things being equal, I'd be interested in seeing the attendance shift. May not be a ton, but I def think this removes a huge barrier for those wanting to visit UO. 

I know b/c that is us. We normally do our 1st 3 days at UO. And that Uber or car service fare stings a little bit when there 'was" a free option to WDW. 

 
Any recent first hand accounts of how compliant guests are as far as masking/distancing at WDW?  We have a vaca planned Jan 1-8, but with surging numbers thinking of cancelling -- which would be disheartening since we have been pushing back vacations for almost 2 years now.

Have 1 immunocompromised family member, but everyone vaccinated, and boosted (except for 14yo -- no booster yet)

 
Any recent first hand accounts of how compliant guests are as far as masking/distancing at WDW?  We have a vaca planned Jan 1-8, but with surging numbers thinking of cancelling -- which would be disheartening since we have been pushing back vacations for almost 2 years now.

Have 1 immunocompromised family member, but everyone vaccinated, and boosted (except for 14yo -- no booster yet)
No distancing at all. No masks outside - Disney enforces it on any inside component. 

 
No distancing at all. No masks outside - Disney enforces it on any inside component. 
Thx.  As I suspected.  And I bet the "compliance" indoors is somewhat shaky (crappy masks, below the nose, loose fitting, people eating/drinking).  Sigh.

Any idea what the crowd levels are at?

 
Thx.  As I suspected.  And I bet the "compliance" indoors is somewhat shaky (crappy masks, below the nose, loose fitting, people eating/drinking).  Sigh.

Any idea what the crowd levels are at?
not really, WDW cast members have been pretty strict about it. They have ben given the green light to make sure guests are compliant. Obv you are going to have your rouge guests who will skirt the rules no matter what, but 99% of them are complying. 

 
Thx.  As I suspected.  And I bet the "compliance" indoors is somewhat shaky (crappy masks, below the nose, loose fitting, people eating/drinking).  Sigh.

Any idea what the crowd levels are at?
Whatever capacity is for a normally full park, that’s what it is at. Place is mega-full again. 
 

I will say most people in the stores, rides, etc keep their masks on fairly properly. I’ve seen cast members get at people who aren’t wearing one. However, in the bathrooms (where there are signs to wear masks) almost nobody is wearing one. 

 
Hey dudes.  We've been pondering a trip in May or June.  I've been putting off scheduling, waiting to see if I need another operation on my foot.  How long can I wait before I start missing out on any of the early reservation stuff I would need to do?

 
Hi, I'm back.  Thinking about another trip in June.  Looking to go through Costco.  9 nights on property with 5 day park hopper and flights for 4 is starting about about $6500.  Is this the best route?

Also, need a refresher on the tiers of the properties.


Just documenting here for my own research purposes.  

This package is now running 7k for Caribbean Beach, 8700 at Saratoga Springs, or 9100 at Wilderness Lodge or Yacht Club.

Kind of like Caribbean since it has the gondolas to Universal and Epcot, I believe.

 
We want to buy someone Disney tickets for Christmas but don't want to pick their date for them.  Is there any way to buy Disney tickets without having to reserve the date up front?

We can do a gift card but that seems lame.  Would prefer it to be an actual ticket.
Someone recently gave my wife 4 passes without the reservation. We just had to go in and make a reservation and then link the tickets to the reservation. 

 
Someone recently gave my wife 4 passes without the reservation. We just had to go in and make a reservation and then link the tickets to the reservation. 


Huh.  Any idea how they did it?  I can't figure it out.  Were they digital ones they'd bought online or something they'd bought in person?

 
well regardless the free shuttle was going away. We knew that we would be paying to get in/out of MCO eventually. This is just another option. However, IMO the biggest thing here is that it will be servicing UO. Up until now, WDW had a pretty solid control over the MCO > WDW bubble flow. People would dismiss going to UO simply b/c of the expense in getting there. Now with all things being equal, I'd be interested in seeing the attendance shift. May not be a ton, but I def think this removes a huge barrier for those wanting to visit UO. 

I know b/c that is us. We normally do our 1st 3 days at UO. And that Uber or car service fare stings a little bit when there 'was" a free option to WDW. 


Mears has been operating a shuttle between the airport and UO for a while I think. We used it in July when we spent a week at UO and we purchased the tickets for it when we booked our vacation on the Universal website. Don't remember how much it cost per person, maybe $40 roundtrip?

The service definitely had its problems, especially for the part where they picked us up at the hotel for the return to the airport. Maybe if they are now charging for the service to go to WDW they will be held to a higher standard and will become more reliable.

 
Mears has been operating a shuttle between the airport and UO for a while I think. We used it in July when we spent a week at UO and we purchased the tickets for it when we booked our vacation on the Universal website. Don't remember how much it cost per person, maybe $40 roundtrip?

The service definitely had its problems, especially for the part where they picked us up at the hotel for the return to the airport. Maybe if they are now charging for the service to go to WDW they will be held to a higher standard and will become more reliable.
true, but the $40/pp vs Free via Magical Express would def sway people from going to UO. Now that both properties are on a level playing field—or should I say "Paying" field—I think people will think about visiting UO more then they would have in the past.

I think I'm trying to make the conclusion that by WDW eliminating this service, they may have shot them selves in the foot a bit by putting the idea in guests heads that if they need to pay to get out of MCO, OU is an option now. 

 
Thx.  As I suspected.  And I bet the "compliance" indoors is somewhat shaky (crappy masks, below the nose, loose fitting, people eating/drinking).  Sigh.

Any idea what the crowd levels are at?
My buddy just got back from a weekend trip and said all the parks he went to (all but Animal Kingdom) was mobbed. We went a few years ago during Thanksgiving (never again) and he likened the crowd to that.

 
Are there any good online guides that can help me understand all of this Lightning Lane and Genie nonsense? My wife wants to take the kids (4 and 2) this spring and I'm trying to make this less painful. I don't understand why I have to travel across the country and spend a boatload of money to be miserable when I can do that at home, but such is life.

Last time we were there was 6 or 7 years ago and it was just us, so it was ok. Not looking forward to this with kids, but links to a primer on the current state of Disney would be helpful. 

 
Are there any good online guides that can help me understand all of this Lightning Lane and Genie nonsense? My wife wants to take the kids (4 and 2) this spring and I'm trying to make this less painful. I don't understand why I have to travel across the country and spend a boatload of money to be miserable when I can do that at home, but such is life.

Last time we were there was 6 or 7 years ago and it was just us, so it was ok. Not looking forward to this with kids, but links to a primer on the current state of Disney would be helpful. 
Miserable, and hot 

 
As I recall, there are a couple of posters in here with DVC memberships.  I'm looking at renting points from David's for a stay at the Boardwalk villas in early February.  Do the benefits of staying at the Boardwalk hotel confer to those at the villas (and do they transfer to those that rent points through David's)?  I want to make sure we can take advantage of early entry and the deluxe evening hours.

 
Weird thing happened. My wife asked if we should book a trip for some time between Feb and March. My daughter starts HS lax this year so our time is limited to when my son ends hockey and my daughter starts lax. Even with that said, I was kind of meh on scheduling. 
If I didn’t jump at the chance to take a Disney trip, they may be in more trouble than I thought. 
Not even sure why I wasn’t all in. Maybe she booked without checking with me. 

 
As I recall, there are a couple of posters in here with DVC memberships.  I'm looking at renting points from David's for a stay at the Boardwalk villas in early February.  Do the benefits of staying at the Boardwalk hotel confer to those at the villas (and do they transfer to those that rent points through David's)?  I want to make sure we can take advantage of early entry and the deluxe evening hours.
member here....Davids is a great place to rent points. I've rented my own through there.  Another good place is the DVC Rental Store They have a cool way they list, where as the member books the trip and then rents it to you. Vs Davids where you rent the points 1st and then go and make the reservation (hoping you can)  

for instance here is an early Februray rental at the BW. 

https://dvcrentalstore.com/guests/reservations/61bb7980c4cae0001fe72d09/

As for your other question about the benefits, yes, the DVC villas are considered Deluxe so would be included in any resort-specific bennies like the ones you listed. Being a renter or not does not matter, you are a deluxe resort guest. What renting would not entitle you to is any DVC member perks, like getting into the DVC lounge in Epcot, or DVC member discounts, etc

 
Are there any good online guides that can help me understand all of this Lightning Lane and Genie nonsense? My wife wants to take the kids (4 and 2) this spring and I'm trying to make this less painful. I don't understand why I have to travel across the country and spend a boatload of money to be miserable when I can do that at home, but such is life.

Last time we were there was 6 or 7 years ago and it was just us, so it was ok. Not looking forward to this with kids, but links to a primer on the current state of Disney would be helpful. 
Here are a few sources I trust:

Disney Food Guide (they are not just food)   EVERYTHING We Learned Using Disney World's NEW Pay-Per-Ride System, Genie+

Molly at All Ears is pretty thurough   The SECRET to Using Genie+ in Magic Kingdom

Official Disney Parks Walk though Disney Genie Service - Full Overview
 

poke around youtube a bit and you'll find a bunch of info and walk throughs. There are also a bunch of videos where people did days with and without it and compared the results. 
IMO, its a little overwhelming at 1st use but I got use to it as the trip went on. 
the general consensus is that the upgraded/paid features are much more important at MK and Studios and less important at AK and Epcot. 

hope that helps 

 

 
member here....Davids is a great place to rent points. I've rented my own through there.  Another good place is the DVC Rental Store They have a cool way they list, where as the member books the trip and then rents it to you. Vs Davids where you rent the points 1st and then go and make the reservation (hoping you can)  

for instance here is an early Februray rental at the BW. 

https://dvcrentalstore.com/guests/reservations/61bb7980c4cae0001fe72d09/

As for your other question about the benefits, yes, the DVC villas are considered Deluxe so would be included in any resort-specific bennies like the ones you listed. Being a renter or not does not matter, you are a deluxe resort guest. What renting would not entitle you to is any DVC member perks, like getting into the DVC lounge in Epcot, or DVC member discounts, etc
Awesome thanks

 
Are there any good online guides that can help me understand all of this Lightning Lane and Genie nonsense? My wife wants to take the kids (4 and 2) this spring and I'm trying to make this less painful. I don't understand why I have to travel across the country and spend a boatload of money to be miserable when I can do that at home, but such is life.

Last time we were there was 6 or 7 years ago and it was just us, so it was ok. Not looking forward to this with kids, but links to a primer on the current state of Disney would be helpful. 


https://touringplans.com/

 
So I’m taking my kids end of January. My youngest is 5 and he’s not going to be able to go from rope drop to 10 PM. The week we are there Magic Kingdom has an early closure at 430 on a Tuesday and Epcot and Magic Kingdom have days with extended hours. Most would avoid the park with the early closure and pick days at the parks with extended hours. I’m thinking about doing the opposite hoping for lower crowds. Thoughts?

 
Just did three days at Universal.  I hadn't been to Universal in years and it was a great trip.  We did it kind of last minute as these type of trips go as we really wanted to see my wife's uncle who has been ill.  We booked it right before Thanksgiving and honestly barely did any planning for the trip.  This is very different then my last trip to Disney where I had entire days plan on how best to attack the parks.  

I was last at Disney World about 3 and a half years ago (pandemic cancelled a trip to Disneyland last year) and I honestly enjoyed Universal much more than I expected.  The biggest thing in my mind was staying at the Hard Rock for two nights let me get access to their express pass system which is unlimited fast passes to all rides except for the two newest rides (the Hagrid coaster and the new Jurasic Park coaster). 

Also, the planning was so much easier then my last Disney trip.  No need to worry about reservations that need to be booked 6 months in advance as we were able to get reservations about a month out.  No need to navigate a complicated fast pass system as you just pay for unlimited fast passes (by staying at certain hotels or ponying up the extra cost).  Also, felt right the rides were generally better at Universal then at Disney (that said I haven't been on the new star wars ride).  

Given we were there the most crowded time of year (week between Christmas and New Years) I was surprised how well it worked out and loved being able to walk everywhere from the hotel.

A couple of nitpicks, tips and/or thoughts if I had.

- Unlimited fast passes don't work as well on Harry Potter attractions.  While you would have a much shorter wait then standby line it was not the 10 to 15 minute wait you had on other attractions.  Would suggest still going to these rides early in the morning before parks get too busy. 

- A little too many 3D/screen attractions.  I thought this was worse Universal Studios itself.  They clearly lack the space in that park do more rides of a different type.  Islands of Adventure was generally better park as a result.

- The two parks can easily be done in 3 days and you are not killing yourself.  In fact we spent a whole afternoon at the pool one day and managed to do everything we wanted.  Personally I would have done one more night if I had to do it all over but we were mostly in Orlando to visit family so couldn't fit it in.  We did not do the waterpark.  

- Small kid rides are in short supply but my kids are a bit older (youngest is 9 so not a huge issue)

- I wonder what the the new park they are building will do the to feel of it all.  The biggest plus in my mind was the ability to walk everywhere and not worry about transportation hasstles.

Lastly, I think my days of going to Disney World are over.  I still want to try out DisneyLand but right now I think planning a trip more than 6 months out are over. 

P.S.  Also, appears that I didn't pick up Covid on this trip which is a total shock. 

 
Just did three days at Universal.  I hadn't been to Universal in years and it was a great trip.  We did it kind of last minute as these type of trips go as we really wanted to see my wife's uncle who has been ill.  We booked it right before Thanksgiving and honestly barely did any planning for the trip.  This is very different then my last trip to Disney where I had entire days plan on how best to attack the parks.  

I was last at Disney World about 3 and a half years ago (pandemic cancelled a trip to Disneyland last year) and I honestly enjoyed Universal much more than I expected.  The biggest thing in my mind was staying at the Hard Rock for two nights let me get access to their express pass system which is unlimited fast passes to all rides except for the two newest rides (the Hagrid coaster and the new Jurasic Park coaster). 

Also, the planning was so much easier then my last Disney trip.  No need to worry about reservations that need to be booked 6 months in advance as we were able to get reservations about a month out.  No need to navigate a complicated fast pass system as you just pay for unlimited fast passes (by staying at certain hotels or ponying up the extra cost).  Also, felt right the rides were generally better at Universal then at Disney (that said I haven't been on the new star wars ride).  

Given we were there the most crowded time of year (week between Christmas and New Years) I was surprised how well it worked out and loved being able to walk everywhere from the hotel.

A couple of nitpicks, tips and/or thoughts if I had.

- Unlimited fast passes don't work as well on Harry Potter attractions.  While you would have a much shorter wait then standby line it was not the 10 to 15 minute wait you had on other attractions.  Would suggest still going to these rides early in the morning before parks get too busy. 

- A little too many 3D/screen attractions.  I thought this was worse Universal Studios itself.  They clearly lack the space in that park do more rides of a different type.  Islands of Adventure was generally better park as a result.

- The two parks can easily be done in 3 days and you are not killing yourself.  In fact we spent a whole afternoon at the pool one day and managed to do everything we wanted.  Personally I would have done one more night if I had to do it all over but we were mostly in Orlando to visit family so couldn't fit it in.  We did not do the waterpark.  

- Small kid rides are in short supply but my kids are a bit older (youngest is 9 so not a huge issue)

- I wonder what the the new park they are building will do the to feel of it all.  The biggest plus in my mind was the ability to walk everywhere and not worry about transportation hasstles.

Lastly, I think my days of going to Disney World are over.  I still want to try out DisneyLand but right now I think planning a trip more than 6 months out are over. 

P.S.  Also, appears that I didn't pick up Covid on this trip which is a total shock. 
glad you enjoyed your trip. I pretty much agree with all fo your point and as soon as more WDW only people dip their big toe into the UO pool, they may begin to feel the same. 

as you mentioned, a few of my faves are:

• the resort size: I def get a DL feel when there for everything being pretty much in walking distance. We normally do UO 1st and then WDW 2nd and as soon as I have to wait for a WDW bus I get cranky. As you said though, I wonder how the new 3rd park being so far off of the main property will change this. 

• Yes, there are a lot of screens, but IMO, they never really bothered me. The screens are just 1 part of the ride with the technology and story telling factored in as well. IMO there are still a good mix of those as well as coaster style rides to mix it up enough for me. IMO, WDW is lacking in overall thrill-based rides, so while I love Disney's overall experience, it is tempered for me as a more lower thrill, family focused place.  So I get my thrill at OU, and downshift at WDW. Also WDW is introducing some screen based rides with the new Ratatouille ride, but also with a bunch of rides in the international parks. 

• Not a lot of young kids is a huge issue for UO. They really need to address this in the new park.  

• XpressPass is the bomb and makes FP/Genie garbage look like a chore.

• No planning reminds me of back in the 80's where you walked into a WDW park and picked your restaurant when you were hungry and just toured the parks at your leasure. 

 
How important is it to stay on property at Universal in Orlando?  Like, will our 3-4 days there be a lot better staying on property?  

I think I've come to the conclusion that I'm just getting cheaper by the year.  I'm all for blowing it out and having fun on a vacation though. 

I'll give Disney a nod on ease of booking.  Maybe I'm just better at it, but this is confusing.  

We're in for probably 3 park days.  Maybe 2.   I do want the express passes.  Its not a necessity, but it sounds awesome. 

I'm looking at 4 nights at the Loews Royal Pacific, since it includes the express pass.  Heres where I get confused...

3-Park 3-Day Park-to-Park Ticket with 2 Days Free Dated
What does the 2 free dated mean?  This is basically a park hopper pass to all 3 parks for 3 days right?  

Also has some Harry Potter stuff throw in like a breakfast and something else.  

Total Price for this is $4990.  Not too bad for 5 people I guess?  

I wont exhaust everyone with the other options, but the express pass seems to kick things up about $1500.  Maybe the express pass is too much?   I don't mind waiting a little, but for the big attractions I don't want to stand around for 2-3 hours either.  

My other option is to stay off site at the Waldorf (I have a conference there).  Its $1500 with the conference rate, but then Universal tickets are $2700 (2-park, 3 day park to park tickets with Express pass).  

Should we live it up at the Loews Royal Pacific?  

 
What does the 2 free dated mean?  This is basically a park hopper pass to all 3 parks for 3 days right?  
I cant confirm but since both WDW and Universal went to "date-based" tickets, meaning that certain calendar days are more expensive then others (normally by a few dollars), they have put limits to how long your multi-day passes are good for, so for a standard 3 day ticket, you may have say 6 days to use it. So say you are going to UO for a week, you dont need to use those 3 days consecutively, but you will need to use them within that time span. 

By "free dating" a ticket, I would assume that they are removing that restriction and you can use that 3rd day on a whole other trip if you wanted. 

this might shed some light on it. 

https://orlandoparksguy.com/blog/universal-orlando-introduces-date-based-tickets2020/8/17

 
@jb1020 I am a big fan of the XpressPass, like groupie level. If you are only use to the WDW, XP will blow your mind. You feel like a mini celebrity flashing the card and being like "Get out of my way little people"  IMO its worth its weight in gold esp if you only have limited time at the resort. We knock out everything in 2 days, both parks with re-rides in the summer crowds. 

Your numbers for the Roy Pac seem really good, esp when you factor in the whole package of tickets, the meals and the XP. I know I did the calculations for someone else here a while back, But right now, the XP alone for both parks goes from $119-$179/pp/per day. I forget how many kiddos you have but for a family of 4, at an even $125 per EXP:

4 x $125= $550
$500 x 3 days  = $1500

even if the hotel upgrade from standard to deluxe (where the XP is a perk) is $250/night (just a guess), you are still ahead of the game and you are not waiting in line. 


We've done both the RP and the HR. I like the HR slightly more simply for location (it is the actual closest to the parks) and for the vibe (rock and roll!). The RP is very nice, but have a heavy asian/Polynesian/Buddha vibe which is not my style. They did however have an all you can eat wok restaurant that we really enjoyed. Basically it was like a finer dining Chipotle where you picked your veggies, protein and spices and they wok'ed it up for you...I ate like 5 of those bad boys!! 

I dont think you can go wrong for that $5k price. Granted none of the UO resorts are the Waldorf, but what are you talking $600'ish difference?  No to say its not a lot, but when you factor in transportation back and forth + the time spent and all that. I'd vote fro staying on property. We know from WDW there is noting better then coming off a long day and plopping right into the resort.  And the 2 deluxe resorts HR and RP will be the closest to both parks (think Contemporary to Magic Kingdom close), while Portafino is slightly further
 

 
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I highly recommend their express pass.  It will make the trip so munch more enjoyable. If you can afford it and want to splurge I vote got for it.  

 
I posted this elsewhere, but we just got back from an unplanned UO day. 

we stayed at the RP for a night... just fine. we got room service which was also just fine. the wife booked it (last minute) because of the tie-in with the resort. took the water taxi back and forth. we avoided city walk.

the XP was completely worth it (came with the room)- 40-60 min waits (as listed) were 5-10 tops with the XP, sometimes less. The UO app was helpful too- recommend.

We did the IOA. fun for thrill rides- roller coasters and 3d rides, but felt lacking in theater/show tie ins with everything. didn't seem like there was anything to "do" other than ride, shop or eat- no place to just chill for a bit. and very crowded, tight for space (eg: we sat on the ground eating our lunch because there was no available tables).

 
So while we had planned on not going again this summer (Covid last year, and my daughter's Sweet 16 to pay for this year), seems a ray of light just poked through the clouds. 

My daughter got invited as 1 of 3 girls to go on her friend's Sweet 16 Disney trip in July. (We offered trip as well but my kid wanted the party 🤷‍♂️)  My wife isn't the type of mom to let her kids travel a few states away, so the idea off us going the same week "just to be there" is on the table. Would be me, wife and 12 year old son. 

WE have a full year of DVC points held over from last year we need to use or rent out. So I want to grab my resort ressie now so I don't lose it. I can cancel if needed. 

So my options are 1 Bedroom suites for:
• Old Key West (Can get a preferred room close to hospitality)
• Saratoga Springs (also get preferred room)
• Animal Kingdom, both Jambo and Kidani 
• Wilderness Lodge (both Coper Creek and Boulder Ridge) 

We want to make this an economical trip, so will be spending a good amount of time at the resort, thats why I want to make sure I make the right choice. 

So throwing this out this, love to hear your thoughts.

Pros/Cons
OKW: oldest resort, off the beaten path. So travel time is a concern. Only 1 sit down restaurant (Olivias, which is great) but limited counter service (which we used esp for breakfast) However for relaxing, it is one of the best resorts. Also has the biggest rooms and all have been recently updated. 

Saratoga: Large rooms, also very recent update within the last year I believe. Like OKW, it is a very spread out resort so would need that preferred building location and off the main path. Good Quick Service options however their main restaurant is still currently closed (who knows come July though). 1 of the 2 preferred buildings faces and has a walking bridge right to Dis Springs. which could be fun. My only reservation is that Saratoga always seems like the "last resort resort" as it always has availability and I never hear anyone say "OMG, I love Saratoga springs" 

AKL: Only ones of this group that we've stayed in before. I really love AKL, but like the other 2, it is generally far away from the action. I prefer Jambo over Kidaini b/c of the grandure of the lobby and more amenities. Kidani was added after and is a DVC only resort, so they don't have things like gift shops and QS locations. My only reservation is that the AKL rooms are very dark and bold for my liking (I know sounds silly) but its not my style. However, theres animal viewing and find me any other resort that has that. 

Wilderness lodge: Location is the biggie here. Its considered a Magic Kingdom area resort and has a boat that goes directly to MK. Also it is right next door to Fort Wilderness campground. If we are not doing some park days, Fort Wilderness could be a fun diversion. The QS and sit down options here are really good..the best of the 4 IMO. However the rooms are a concern. They are scheduled to be redone sometime in 2022 which tells me 2 things: 1) they are very old and run down (by Disney's and my wife's standards) and 2) we could find ourselves living in a construction zone or worse find our room is scheduled to be renovated and kicked over to some other resort without choice. 





 

 
Saratoga: Large rooms, also very recent update within the last year I believe. Like OKW, it is a very spread out resort so would need that preferred building location and off the main path. Good Quick Service options however their main restaurant is still currently closed (who knows come July though). 1 of the 2 preferred buildings faces and has a walking bridge right to Dis Springs. which could be fun. My only reservation is that Saratoga always seems like the "last resort resort" as it always has availability and I never hear anyone say "OMG, I love Saratoga springs" 
 
:hey: I do.   I've been to WDW more than 30 times and have been to most of the WDW resorts and a few DVC resorts.  Still love Saratoga for the laid back vibe and ability to walk to Disney Springs. 

 
:hey: I do.   I've been to WDW more than 30 times and have been to most of the WDW resorts and a few DVC resorts.  Still love Saratoga for the laid back vibe and ability to walk to Disney Springs. 
good to know...thanks!! I think the Dis Springs walk would be cool and seeing it across the lake at night would be a cool sight

 
A vote Wilderness if no construction going on (don't have insight on that) if not park focused since it is centrally located and if you want to do Magic Kingdom it is the easiest.  Also, food is pretty good and pool is pretty good as well (though think I like Animal Kingdoms pool better). 

Though to be honest, haven't stayed at Wilderness in a long time (same for Animal Kingdom).  I haven't stayed at the other resorts either.  

 
The Garden Rocks lineup has been announced

March 4-5 – The Guess Who
March 6-7 – Rick Springfield
March 11-12 – Melina Leon – NEW to Garden Rocks
March 18-19 – Mike DelGuidice, currently on tour with Billy Joel – NEW (local guy, I use to watch him at a local dive bar in a band called Kid Gloves back in the 90s)
March 20-21 – Kool & The Gang – NEW to Garden Rocks
March 25-28 – The Orchestra starring former members of ELO
April 1-2 – The Spinners
April 3-4 – The Pointer Sisters
April 8-9 – Blue October – NEW to Garden Rocks
April 15-16 – Tommy DeCarlo, singer of the band Boston – NEW
April 17-18 – Don Felder, Formerly of The Eagles
April 22-23 – STARSHIP featuring Mickey Thomas
April 24-25 – Claudia Leitte – NEW
April 29-30 – Berlin
May 1-2 – TobyMac
May 6-7 – Blood, Sweat & Tears
May 8-9 – The Commodores – NEW to Garden Rocks
May 13-14 – Ambrosia with Peter Beckett – NEW
May 20-21 – A Flock Of Seagulls
May 22-23 – Collin Raye – NEW
May 27-28 – Thelma Houston – NEW
May 29-30 – Little River Band
June 3-6 – Simple Plan
June 10-13 – Herman’s Hermits starring Peter Noone
June 17-20 – Plain White T’s

 

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