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Dissecting the NFC (1 Viewer)
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Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
Falcons looked terrible against the Browns and probably would've lost if Seneca Wallace hadn't gotten hurt. Delhomme gifted them 2 turnovers and botched a goal-line handoff that would've given the Browns a lead.
It's wide open. If you were to tell me the Seahawks and Redskins are the best teams in the NFC right now, I'm not sure I could argue against it.
It's wide open. If you were to tell me the Seahawks and Redskins are the best teams in the NFC right now, I'm not sure I could argue against it.
Ahmad Rashad
Footballguy
With Moss, and Sidney Rice in a few weeks, the Vikes will be the team to beat once Favre gets his timing down with all these guys (assuming Favre isn't suspended for long).
harryhood
Footballguy
Trust me, as a homer, the Giants still do have a long way to go. Health is a major concern as they are not too deep on the O-line and in the secondary. Also, the discipline and special teams play is pretty weak. The good thing is, those are much easier to correct that an inept offense, or a sieve of a defense, so that is very encouraging. Still a ways to go for Big Blue.
Pipes
Footballguy
Even if this doesn't happen (and I'm suspecting he'll won't be anywhere close to 100% this season) I think MN has a legit shot of being the best NFC team at the end of the year.
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ponchsox
Footballguy
I think the Vikings can become a factor, but I'm not sure about the team to beat. Favre has to play much better w/ the addition of Moss.
PoolShark
Footballguy
My vote right now is NONE of them (and I'm an Eagles fan). The Skins lead the division thru 5 wks with a 3-2 record...REALLY?!? In the NFC East that's 3rd place if you're lucky in any "normal" year. The Saints look horrible. This was gonna be the 49ers year and they could be 0-5 after tonight. The Giants, Cowboys, Vikings, Packers, Bears, Falcons, Bucs, (and even the Seahawks, Cards, Rams & Lions) look like world-beaters one week and are horrible the next. And the Panthers just plain suck.
I vote to "cancel" the NFC this year and bring all 12 playoff teams out of the AFC.
I vote to "cancel" the NFC this year and bring all 12 playoff teams out of the AFC.
BoerumHill
Footballguy
I think it is going to be awhile before consensus opinion catches up to the reality that is the 2010 Atlanta Falcons.
Solid defense, balanced offense, good QB play, ability to run the ball, great playmaker WR1.
Second in the NFC in scoring and 1st in scoring defense.
What more do you people want?
Solid defense, balanced offense, good QB play, ability to run the ball, great playmaker WR1.
Second in the NFC in scoring and 1st in scoring defense.
What more do you people want?
Pipes
Footballguy
I think 5th is being generous. I'd put the Steelers, Jets, Ravens, Colts & Patriots easily ahead on anyone in the NFC. Miami and the Chiefs maybe better too.
Pipes
Footballguy
Atlanta looks good on paper but they should've lost last week if it weren't for a bonehead play by Clements and they struggled mightily against a terrible Browns team today. But right now they probably are the best team in the NFC which isn't saying a whole lot.
Shlon
Footballguy
I wouldn't say terrible, the running game was on but the passing game didn't pick up until the 2nd half. Falcons defense was stout the whole game.
Nightly Mistake
Footballguy
I could, and I'm a Redskins fan.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
What other team could win with a backup QB who posts a rating of 6.5?Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
But would it be convincing?
BoerumHill
Footballguy
OK, so Atlanta is 4-1 because players on the opposition are boneheaded incompetents?
The turnover ratio 12-5 in the 4 game win streak; that defensive TD today looked like a heckuva play by Kroy Biermann, not a gift from JD.
Atlanta under Matt Ryan has had back to back winning seasons for the first time in their 44 year history.
As I said upthread, gonna take awhile for the consensus to catch up with what is happening.
The turnover ratio 12-5 in the 4 game win streak; that defensive TD today looked like a heckuva play by Kroy Biermann, not a gift from JD.
Atlanta under Matt Ryan has had back to back winning seasons for the first time in their 44 year history.
As I said upthread, gonna take awhile for the consensus to catch up with what is happening.
BAY_AREA_GIANT
Footballguy
Why are people underestimating Cleveland?19 points separate them from 1-4 and 5-0.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
As a Saints homer, I've learned that seemingly the entire NFC sucks.
The Saints have played badly for most of every game, yet were an extra point range FG from being 4-0 and a chip shot away from OT vs Arizona.
Based on what I've seen, although lacking a UFL quality offensive line, Chicago is the best team in the NFC. However, after the Moss trade I think Minnesota is actually the best team.
And Atlanta is overrated. Played nearly as well as they could vs the Saints, not a quality team right now, and still should have lost. Mostly due to their style, an offense based primarily on power running is at a technical disadvantage in today's NFL.
The Saints have played badly for most of every game, yet were an extra point range FG from being 4-0 and a chip shot away from OT vs Arizona.
Based on what I've seen, although lacking a UFL quality offensive line, Chicago is the best team in the NFC. However, after the Moss trade I think Minnesota is actually the best team.
And Atlanta is overrated. Played nearly as well as they could vs the Saints, not a quality team right now, and still should have lost. Mostly due to their style, an offense based primarily on power running is at a technical disadvantage in today's NFL.
geoff8695
Footballguy
I know hopes are running high in the Big 'D', but being 1-3 kind of precludes a team from being "best in conference".I think the overall parody/weakness of the NFC allows the Cowboys a glimmer of hope to become one of the best NFC teams if they can put together a long winning streak. But based on what we've seen so far, I doubt that is going to happen.
Nightly Mistake
Footballguy
The best at what exactly?
scott72
Footballguy
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Beating themselves.The best at what exactly?
Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
If Garrett Hartley makes a 29-yard chip shot, and Nate Clements runs out of bounds after an interception, the Falcons are 2-3. Record is deceiving, they haven't played any better than any of the other "contenders".BoerumHill said:
scott72
Footballguy
So are about 10 other NFC teams. Packers would be 5-0 if they didn't beat themselves in their 2 losses..Beating themselves.The best at what exactly?
scott72
Footballguy
Definitely a game of inches. Packers are 4-1 if Crosby's kick doesn't clank off the upright with one second left in regulation.
Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
Not underestimating Cleveland, they are an up-and-coming team. But they are clearly not in the top half of the conference, and the supposed "best" team in the NFC should beat them handily.BAY_AREA_GIANT said:
Bankerguy
Footballguy
....and they should be better period. W/L's dont tell everything after 5 weeks...imo
scott72
Footballguy
Absolutely agree. Once the 2nd half of the season starts the cream will rise to the top. It always does.
Nightly Mistake
Footballguy
Thanks, Scarlett O'Hara.
How many years has it been the "Cowboys Time" at some point it's not underperforming it's just what they are.....and they should be better period. W/L's dont tell everything after 5 weeks...imoSo are about 10 other NFC teams. Packers would be 5-0 if they didn't beat themselves in their 2 losses..Beating themselves.The best at what exactly?
Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
It's all hype. They get pumped up by the national media so much but all the "talent" we've been hearing about all these years never matches the results. At some point people have to realize they are a pretty average team.
They have a serious coaching problem. Thankfully for the rest of the NFL they have just enough talent to save the coaches jobs.
They've made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years. I'd say that's above average. Obviously they are underperforming this year, and might not be good enough to be a playoff team. But the NFC doesn't have any elite team right now, so they could go on a winning run and be right in it.
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
Not here to argue that Atlanta is the top dog now as I need to see much better play from them to be the cream of the crop.BUT how quickly it seems people want to point to the lucky missed chip shot when earlier in the game when the Falcons were taking control the Saints caught just as lucky as a break when a punt bounced off a Falcon guy who was in midair and about to be out of bounds not to mention had to be lucky enough to have two guys there to have one shovel the ball to so it stayed in bounds. Both teams got an extremely lucky break in that game and in the end, the Falcons over came the one that happened to them and won.
BoerumHill
Footballguy
It's a performance based league; you are what your record says you are.
The Cowboys are not a good team right now.
The Falcons are; they outplayed the Saints, and took advantage of a break when Hartley missed a chip shot. They still had to go out and win it in OT. Clements blew the game? One way to look at it - or you could say Rowdy Roddy made one helluva an effort.
Good teams find a way to win.
Whole lotta excuses in this thread.
It's a performance based league; you are what your record says you are.
The Cowboys are not a good team right now.
The Falcons are; they outplayed the Saints, and took advantage of a break when Hartley missed a chip shot. They still had to go out and win it in OT. Clements blew the game? One way to look at it - or you could say Rowdy Roddy made one helluva an effort.
Good teams find a way to win.
Whole lotta excuses in this thread.
It's a performance based league; you are what your record says you are.
Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
Nobody's saying they're not any good. Just whether they have been good enough to assume they can sustain this pace. To me, they've played in too many close games and got too many breaks to assume they are a top-seed kind of team.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
The lack of consistency by any team in the NFL this year is amazing. The only team that really has played well is the Steelers IMO, and they did it just with great defense. They'll be scary good now with Big Ben.
I don't really agree with the premise that there are 5 teams better in the AFC though. Indy lost to Jacksonville and Houston, and struggled vs KC. San Diego keeps losing. New England gave up 30 points to the Bills at home and Baltimore's offense hasn't been nearly as good as advertised.
Its a common theme throughout the NFL. The supposed good teams just aren't playing very well right now.
I don't really agree with the premise that there are 5 teams better in the AFC though. Indy lost to Jacksonville and Houston, and struggled vs KC. San Diego keeps losing. New England gave up 30 points to the Bills at home and Baltimore's offense hasn't been nearly as good as advertised.
Its a common theme throughout the NFL. The supposed good teams just aren't playing very well right now.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Agree the NFC is total garbage right now. I do think the Saints will get back on track though with some key starters returning to the fold. Right now I have to say the Falcons because they have the better record and beat the defending champs in their house even if it was on an assist by a missed Hartley field goal.
Pipes
Footballguy
Then why do you feel that the Falcons are better than the Bears?Not trying to rip Atlanta here and I think they probably are the best NFC team at this point, however they haven't been playing great football by any means.
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
Every team in the NFC has its problem areas. The best all-around team, in my opinion, is the Falcons.
