Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Really?I would think that Phil Jackson would be the most beloved coach ever in Chicago.6 championships vs. 1.
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Ditka on Belichick: (1 Viewer)
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Mahoney
Footballguy
Fellow Patriot fans,
Please do NOT piss on Ditka. That guy is a national icon and treasure. And next to Jordan, one of the 2 marquee "faces" of a great city's sports heritage. They are/were both phenomenal football guys in their own right. Top shelf studs, no question. So Ditka called BB an AHole....who cares? He sort of is one. So was Ditka when he was a coach. I think that side of BB is what makes me actually like him even more. Because he doesn't give a crap about what "your supposed to do". C'mon guys, we got a big one in SD Sunday, let's crush.
TIA,
Mahoney
Please do NOT piss on Ditka. That guy is a national icon and treasure. And next to Jordan, one of the 2 marquee "faces" of a great city's sports heritage. They are/were both phenomenal football guys in their own right. Top shelf studs, no question. So Ditka called BB an AHole....who cares? He sort of is one. So was Ditka when he was a coach. I think that side of BB is what makes me actually like him even more. Because he doesn't give a crap about what "your supposed to do". C'mon guys, we got a big one in SD Sunday, let's crush.
TIA,
Mahoney
Likely the same reasons the rest of us do.Anyone know why Ditka thinks BB is an #####?
Mahoney
Footballguy
C'mon dude. What are you doing? Are you being serious?
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Asks the guy with the Steve Guttenberg avatar.But yes, I am being serious. That team was a one-hit wonder when it should have been the team of the decade. Doesn't Da Coach have to take some of that blame?
Phil Jackson had an equally talented team but lived up to its promise.
Mahoney
Footballguy
a.) Let's leave Gutes out of this.b.) Ditka coached in the same conference as Gibbs, Walsh, and Parcells (all in their primes). That's arguably 4 of the 10 greatest coaches ever.
c.) Nobody really cares about the NBA.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Ditka has always struck me as kind of an illiterate, self-involved, egotistic blowhard. And that Eddie Munster hairdo:a.) Let's leave Gutes out of this.
b.) Ditka coached in the same conference as Gibbs, Walsh, and Parcells (all in their primes). That's arguably 4 of the 10 greatest coaches ever.
c.) Nobody really cares about the NBA.
Jackson might be the most intelligent coach in all of pro sports, and he won six championships.If Chicago prefers Ditka over Jackson, then maybe that's why you're the second city.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
You've named Gibbs, Walsh, and Parcells as among the 10 greatest coaches ever. You failed to mention the fourth? Ditka doesn't even belong in the conversation.And Ditka calling Belichick an &*#@%. ? Seriously, isn't thata.) Let's leave Gutes out of this.b.) Ditka coached in the same conference as Gibbs, Walsh, and Parcells (all in their primes). That's arguably 4 of the 10 greatest coaches ever.
c.) Nobody really cares about the NBA.
Ditka was the same coach that gave the Fridge a TD in the Superbowl rather than Walter Payton (the greatest player in the history of the franchise) so he could feed his own ego.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Ditka has always struck me as kind of an illiterate, self-involved, egotistic blowhard. And that Eddie Munster hairdo:a.) Let's leave Gutes out of this.
b.) Ditka coached in the same conference as Gibbs, Walsh, and Parcells (all in their primes). That's arguably 4 of the 10 greatest coaches ever.
c.) Nobody really cares about the NBA.
Jackson might be the most intelligent coach in all of pro sports, and he won six championships.
If Chicago prefers Ditka over Jackson, then maybe that's why you're the second city.
Ditka was a excellent NFL player and he wins that one over BB, but BB is the best coach of all time as far as I am concerned. People talk about Parcells as one of the best of all time, but Parcells only SB's were with BB and look at how they have done apart. BB struggled in Cleveland, but you do need some talent to win. What he has done in NE in an age of parity is amazing. He is aloof, but he is the best coach of all time IMO.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
I wish the Saints had given Ditka one more yearWith Jake delhomme, Ricky Williams, Willie Roaf and a solid D they would have been a contender for a few years.
They weren't going anywhere with Heath Shuler, and the other guys were just starting to develop.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Ditka brought the Bears their only championship in over 20 years. Chicago is a "Bears Town" and then (unfortunately for me) a "Cubs Town".End of story.Jordan is more beloved than Phil Jackson btw... As it should be.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
BB may be a top 3 coach of all time, but he's still an #######.Ditka has always struck me as kind of an illiterate, self-involved, egotistic blowhard. And that Eddie Munster hairdo:a.) Let's leave Gutes out of this.
b.) Ditka coached in the same conference as Gibbs, Walsh, and Parcells (all in their primes). That's arguably 4 of the 10 greatest coaches ever.
c.) Nobody really cares about the NBA.
Jackson might be the most intelligent coach in all of pro sports, and he won six championships.
If Chicago prefers Ditka over Jackson, then maybe that's why you're the second city.
Serenity Now
Footballguy
So let's sum up:
1. Belichick is an ahole according to Ditka. Wow, there's a newsflash. You don't have to be a 'nice' person to be really good at what you do. Isn't necessarily a warm and friendly, gladhander type of guy. So long as he continues to be good at his job and doesn't run afoul of the law, that's fine with me.
2. Ditka is an attention-seeking blowhard.
1. Belichick is an ahole according to Ditka. Wow, there's a newsflash. You don't have to be a 'nice' person to be really good at what you do. Isn't necessarily a warm and friendly, gladhander type of guy. So long as he continues to be good at his job and doesn't run afoul of the law, that's fine with me.
2. Ditka is an attention-seeking blowhard.
Ditka is God
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The stupidest move Pollian made was trading Marshall Faulk to the Rams for peanuts.
Sopranos
Footballguy
I dont Agree. MF is all we had at the time. He had taken a beating. He asked to be traded. Really everyone in Indy could understand why. He wanted out. IMO keeping him here would have made both sides unhappy.He wouldnt have got us to the SB with what we had at the time.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
"Real" player value is far different from "Fantasy" player value. Edge came in and was great from the get go, but I do agree that it would have been nice to draft a difference making defensive player at that position. However, when a player doesn't want to play for a particular team, then that's more of a problem than what they received for him. Just a couple years ago no one was willing to give much for Shaun Alexander or Edge in a deal. Use that as a barameter.
Fantaholic
Footballguy
First off it's not like Ditka was Mr. Congeniality on the sidelines during his coaching days. BB maintains a certain discipline in his coaching style and it has proven to pay off during his career. Is he an ### off the field? I don't know the answer to that, do you any of you? Has anyone on this board or even Ditka gone over to his house for a cookout?
As far as the BB versus Ditka argument goes:
BB equals universal respect throughout the country. Ditka was a hometown legend...stop
20 years from now, we'll be talking about the ten best coaches in NFL history. At that point we could be mentioning BB at the top of that list. Ditka will not be in that top 10.
As far as the BB versus Ditka argument goes:
BB equals universal respect throughout the country. Ditka was a hometown legend...stop
20 years from now, we'll be talking about the ten best coaches in NFL history. At that point we could be mentioning BB at the top of that list. Ditka will not be in that top 10.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
I think that could be a fair assessment.At least Ditka doesn't have rumors of womanizing all over the newspapers like Belichick has the past couple of years too.... Then again, he has erectile dysfunction.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Phil Jackson brought Chicago six championships.I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I don't understand why Ditka is more beloved in Chicago than Phil Jackson.
Phil Jackson is the most successful coach in the history of your city. I just don't get why Ditka is more popular.
Seriously, I don't get it.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
atrick Roy: and "I can't hear you because of the Stanley Cup rings in my ears" or something to that effect.
Boston
Footballguy
Which is why he makes commercials and tries to cash in on his persona. BB only cares about football and doesn't pretend to be anyything more than he is. If that makes him a ##### so be it but since he doesn't go out in public pretending to be a cartoon character or let the public into his private life maybe that's one of the reasons he's so successful.
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Boston
Footballguy
My guess is Jordan is percieved as the force behind those championships not Jackson.Also, Ditka's personality is that of a red meat eating, hard nose guy which many sports fans gravitate to while Phil Jackson is seen as a zen reading kind of wierd dude which really doesn't play too well with your typical sports fan.
Yeah, because Belichick is a borkderline HOF Candidate. I don't think he'll get in. Ditka was a great player, marginal coach at best. They won because of the innovati0n of the 46, and an immense collection of talent. You do notice that they were a flash in the pan in an era when everybody else winning was winning multiples? And, they were unquestionably one of the best ever? Give him his due, they got one, but acknowledge reality. ON HC ability, Ditka couldn't carry Belichicks jock.
Take it a step further. When BB, or even Parcells, moved, look at how many players followed. That's a testament to the coach, and how much the players respect their style and what they bring to the table/team. Personally, aybe BB could have handled the Mangini thing differently? Maybe it's the result of the Marriage infidelity? As for the marriage, I can't comment, because I don't know the details of the marriage. On the Mangini thing, I have a feeling that there was a verbal (THIS IS JUST A HUNCH) agreement for Mangini to stick around if he got the job. He bolted, BB felt betrayed at having to make the change after one season. Just a hunch, but I would feel betrayed at mentoring somebody and having that happen. It's a betrayal of trust, and within the division. It would take a bit to get over. Let me teiterate, this is just a guess, based on business theory, and watching the scenario play out from afar, and what could sour such a solid relationship that seems to be on the mend.
My_Favorite_Team_is
Footballguy
Nothing to the effect, Belly is a football coach..plain and simple. I know that Ditka has done something special by having the three different rings [HOF (Do they give you a ring???), player (part of team that won) and coach] but not to give equal love to someone like Belly is hating: 5 rings (2 as defensive coordinator on the Giants squads and three as head coach of the Patriots). If Belly is an a_____e than so be it, he will be just as much as legend in the NE states as Ditka is in Chicago when Belly gets done. I still remember Ray Berry playing golf after XX and being asked the question of how he feels about Mike Ditka..."Mike D ! ckless, I don't want to talk about Mike D ! ckless." That was on the Gene Michaels Sports Machine or something like that...
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Additionally, Ditka's blunt, emotional personality was more endearing to fans than the Zenmeister's.
If you read anything about Belichick or really watch him outside any press conferences, he's actually a pretty damn funny guy. Seymour was on this week saying they were making fun of him and giving him a hard time about the Mangini handshake plans before the game.
Just because he comes off completely boring during press conferences in order not to give any info away doesn't mean he's an #######.
He does look homeless though.
Just because he comes off completely boring during press conferences in order not to give any info away doesn't mean he's an #######.
He does look homeless though.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
So be it....
GregR_2
Footballguy
Ditka: Yes, that's me Bill. And it's probably my three championship rings that are blinding you. See, the ones you earn as a player shine a little brighter.
5 rings, not 3
Serenity Now
Footballguy
I would think that BB's issue with Mangini has to do with his decision to go to a division rival, worst of all the Jets. No love lost for BB and the Jets organization. Also, it was rumored that Mangini tried to interfere with a couple players on his way out the door. That right there could create some bad blood.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Who said I'm talking about 'coaching ability' when I speak of Ditka vs. Bill Belichick.
Ditka has been a success on far more levels than Belichick ever will be:
Player
HOFer
in the media
on the speaking circuit
and millionaire restaurant owner
Belichick is a great coach and it ends there....
Ditka has been a success on far more levels than Belichick ever will be:
Player
HOFer
in the media
on the speaking circuit
and millionaire restaurant owner
Belichick is a great coach and it ends there....
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Who said I'm talking about 'coaching ability' when I speak of Ditka vs. Bill Belichick.Ditka has been a success on far more levels than Belichick ever will be
But....Belichick is a great coach and he's an #####!
Vikes Fan
Footballguy
I have seen some backhanded comments on this board about this, but don't know the whole story. Does anyone have a link or something more on this? I tried the search function, but came up empty.Thanks!
GregR_2
Footballguy
I imagine you'd have no problems finding it on google.I have seen some backhanded comments on this board about this, but don't know the whole story. Does anyone have a link or something more on this? I tried the search function, but came up empty.Thanks!
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Google: bonnie bernstein affair belichick
And also refer to this:
http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack...rticleid=149076
he's a helluva coach though.
And also refer to this:
http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack...rticleid=149076
he's a helluva coach though.
