ColtLionMillen will get sneaky and pick up a WR free agent instead of the drafting one this year!SaintSteeler, Big Ben's tall WR.Seahawk.Eagle.Panther.Titan.Hackett will be a Viking..
ColtLionMillen will get sneaky and pick up a WR free agent instead of the drafting one this year!SaintSteeler, Big Ben's tall WR.Seahawk.Eagle.Panther.Titan.Hackett will be a Viking..
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Umm based on what? I'm sorry but the numbers don't scream out STAR to me. Tell me what your seeing that I'm not.cacksman said:That is not true. Hackett is a #1 WR when he is healthy. He may have had trouble staying healthy last season but he will be a star soon. I still think Seattle re-signs him.All of the teams in need are simply going to drive up the price. It's going to be interesting to see who is willing to pay top dollar for someone who would never fit the bill as a #1 WR.
Exactly what I was trying to say. Many teams in desperate need and he will cash in huge for mediocre production. Can you imagine the contract Moss is going to get?The above post shows why both hackett and berrian will command top dollar this year. Great friggin year to be a WR FA. Now we can all understand why Jerry Jones is picking up a 20M option on TO's K. It's a bargain!
It depends upon how much Moss wants to stay in NE. I'm willing to bet that if Moss resigns in NE, it won't be for as much money as he could have gotten in at least one other place (not that it will be for cheap though).Exactly what I was trying to say. Many teams in desperate need and he will cash in huge for mediocre production. Can you imagine the contract Moss is going to get?The above post shows why both hackett and berrian will command top dollar this year. Great friggin year to be a WR FA. Now we can all understand why Jerry Jones is picking up a 20M option on TO's K. It's a bargain!![]()
Interesting article in today's Prov Journal about the Pats' ability to be "shrewd" after S.B. wins and their willingness to dump aging all pro players looking for big paydays. I think Moss will be satisfied with one ring and will be enticed away from the Pats for a bigger payday. Once again, the dream team of Moss/Owens playing together will rear its head, but someone other than Dallas will have Moss next year.Maybe even Seattle.It depends upon how much Moss wants to stay in NE. I'm willing to bet that if Moss resigns in NE, it won't be for as much money as he could have gotten in at least one other place (not that it will be for cheap though).Exactly what I was trying to say. Many teams in desperate need and he will cash in huge for mediocre production. Can you imagine the contract Moss is going to get?The above post shows why both hackett and berrian will command top dollar this year. Great friggin year to be a WR FA. Now we can all understand why Jerry Jones is picking up a 20M option on TO's K. It's a bargain!![]()
No one knows for sure, but my opinion on this is polar opposite. Moss languished on a crappy Oakland team for 2 years and everyone knows how much he hated it. He probably would have paid money to play for the Pats after that experience. I don't think for a moment that getting a ring will persuade Moss to jump at money if it means playing for a bad team again, or even risking playing for a bad team. *IF* Moss does sign for a team other than the Pats, it will be a perennial winning organization; it definitely won't be taking the money to play for an average team. I also think people are overestimating the number of options he'll have. It's just reality that there are probably 15 teams who would not touch Moss with a 10 foot pole given the state of their team, and Moss himself would probably rule out 15-20 as not being competitive teams. I'd say it is 95% that he returns to the Pats, signing for a deal similar to the one T.O. signed in Dallas.I think Hackett will resign in Seattle. He just hasn't done enough to get real money from other teams. I would be surprised if a team threw money at him given his injury history. [Make that pleasantly surprised.... dynasty Hackett owner.]I think Moss will be satisfied with one ring and will be enticed away from the Pats for a bigger payday.
what's their cap situation going into the offseason? with trufant a FA, will they be able to keep them both?I think Hackett will resign in Seattle. He just hasn't done enough to get real money from other teams. I would be surprised if a team threw money at him given his injury history. [Make that pleasantly surprised.... dynasty Hackett owner.]
Falcon? If they can clear up their cap issues...?SaintSteeler, Big Ben's tall WR.Seahawk.Eagle.Panther.Titan.Hackett will be a Viking..
What happens to all that Vick money... surely their not held to any of it? Take away Vicks contract and they'll have enough to sign their picks and a FA.Falcon? If they can clear up their cap issues...?
yea no way seahawks pay him what he's going to want.... plus WR isn't really a problem for them... engram is more then capable at the #2 spot and Burelson is a talented #3... my opinion is hackett goes... personally i understand this guy has potential but i was never really impressed or believe he can be a #1 receiver on any team. Even when healthy he's never wowed me... i was personally more impressed with engram taking over for him this season and having a great season... if i was an NFL owner i think id take engram over hackett any day of the week.
yea no way seahawks pay him what he's going to want.... plus WR isn't really a problem for them... engram is more then capable at the #2 spot and Burelson is a talented #3... my opinion is hackett goes... personally i understand this guy has potential but i was never really impressed or believe he can be a #1 receiver on any team. Even when healthy he's never wowed me... i was personally more impressed with engram taking over for him this season and having a great season... if i was an NFL owner i think id take engram over hackett any day of the week.And now we know why you aren't.....
lol i suppose... engram is always there by default and always gets it done... i just don't like injury prone players... whats the point of paying them so much money for playing 1/4 of a season.
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And if there's even one NFL GM that thinks like this Hackett will get way overpaid. Hackett's most productive season in the NFL was 610/4. Engram is coming off an 1147/6 season and had eclipsed 610 yards 6 times in his career.They ratio of hype/production on Hackett is getting close to Matt Jones territory(btw Matt Jones had had 643/4 season... so maybe Hackett has passed him).yea no way seahawks pay him what he's going to want.... plus WR isn't really a problem for them... engram is more then capable at the #2 spot and Burelson is a talented #3... my opinion is hackett goes... personally i understand this guy has potential but i was never really impressed or believe he can be a #1 receiver on any team. Even when healthy he's never wowed me... i was personally more impressed with engram taking over for him this season and having a great season... if i was an NFL owner i think id take engram over hackett any day of the week.And now we know why you aren't.....
He's 35 believe it or not; I was shocked when I saw that. Bobby Engram #84 | Wide Receiver Height: 5-10 Weight: 192Born: Jan 7, 1973 - Camden, SCCollege: Penn StateDraft: 1996 - 2nd round (22nd pick) by the Chicago Bears Adds to my belief that Hackett will be resigned.Engram-32/33?
i wanted to type in 34, but thought"what wr outside of galloway has the kind of year he just had"makes sense, Had heard it was his best season, and in his 12th yearthanks for the correctionHe's 35 believe it or not; I was shocked when I saw that. Bobby Engram #84 | Wide Receiver Height: 5-10 Weight: 192Born: Jan 7, 1973 - Camden, SCCollege: Penn StateDraft: 1996 - 2nd round (22nd pick) by the Chicago Bears Adds to my belief that Hackett will be resigned.Engram-32/33?
No one knows for sure, but my opinion on this is polar opposite. Moss languished on a crappy Oakland team for 2 years and everyone knows how much he hated it. He probably would have paid money to play for the Pats after that experience. I don't think for a moment that getting a ring will persuade Moss to jump at money if it means playing for a bad team again, or even risking playing for a bad team. *IF* Moss does sign for a team other than the Pats, it will be a perennial winning organization; it definitely won't be taking the money to play for an average team. I also think people are overestimating the number of options he'll have. It's just reality that there are probably 15 teams who would not touch Moss with a 10 foot pole given the state of their team, and Moss himself would probably rule out 15-20 as not being competitive teams. I'd say it is 95% that he returns to the Pats, signing for a deal similar to the one T.O. signed in Dallas.I think Moss will be satisfied with one ring and will be enticed away from the Pats for a bigger payday.
From what little I have seen of Obomanu, he just doesn't impress me at all. He gets minimal separation. I don't think he is the answer.So far, no one has mention Ben Obomanu as Hacketts potential replacement. The Seahawks may lose some of Hackett production but the cost savings of Obomanu over Hackett might be more significant
My understanding is they don't owe the base salary against the cap while he is suspended (it hasn't been paid out), but that the Falcons have to actually recover the prorated portion of the $ paid out for the signing bonus before they can deduct that hit from their cap - it's one of the reasons he's still "officially" a Falcon and on the "Suspended" list.What happens to all that Vick money... surely their not held to any of it? Take away Vicks contract and they'll have enough to sign their picks and a FA.Falcon? If they can clear up their cap issues...?
Here's some summary information (assuming that the Falcons cut him without recovering any of the prorated signing bonus) - Old Link from AJC - looks like cutting ties is a ~ $15 million cap hit. If they can sucessfully sue him and get the money paid back, this is mitigated, as I understand things.My understanding is they don't owe the base salary against the cap while he is suspended (it hasn't been paid out), but that the Falcons have to actually recover the prorated portion of the $ paid out for the signing bonus before they can deduct that hit from their cap - it's one of the reasons he's still "officially" a Falcon and on the "Suspended" list.What happens to all that Vick money... surely their not held to any of it? Take away Vicks contract and they'll have enough to sign their picks and a FA.Falcon? If they can clear up their cap issues...?
I find kind of strange that with Berrian and Stallworth signed already. No one seems to know where Hackett is? Washington Redskins board suggested that he had no visits scheduled as of 11:30 AM..The above post shows why both hackett and berrian will command top dollar this year. Great friggin year to be a WR FA. Now we can all understand why Jerry Jones is picking up a 20M option on TO's K. It's a bargain!
I'd like to see him pay Chicago a visit. Apparently he's not on anyone's radar?I find kind of strange that with Berrian and Stallworth signed already. No one seems to know where Hackett is? Washington Redskins board suggested that he had no visits scheduled as of 11:30 AM..The above post shows why both hackett and berrian will command top dollar this year. Great friggin year to be a WR FA. Now we can all understand why Jerry Jones is picking up a 20M option on TO's K. It's a bargain!
Oh, obviously."We are obviously not panicking by any stretch."
Wash would be a good place. Randle El can go back to the slot and Moss opposite him, i like it. I think Wash needs to redo some contracts (portis maybe?) since they are only like 200K under the cap (last I heard).I agree, NOT TENN!!!Two Deep said:The player rep for D.J. Hackett, whose client has not made any free agent visits, expects the Titans and Redskins to pursue Hackett this week."(The Titans) told us Friday they would be in touch with us this week," the agent said. "We were told the same thing by the Redskins, that they would be in touch with us. We are obviously not panicking by any stretch."Source: Nashville Tennessean Please FFL gods please do not let D.J.Hackett sign with the Tennessee Titans. PLEEEEASE!
It depends upon how much Moss wants to stay in NE. I'm willing to bet that if Moss resigns in NE, it won't be for as much money as he could have gotten in at least one other place (not that it will be for cheap though).Exactly what I was trying to say. Many teams in desperate need and he will cash in huge for mediocre production. Can you imagine the contract Moss is going to get?The above post shows why both hackett and berrian will command top dollar this year. Great friggin year to be a WR FA. Now we can all understand why Jerry Jones is picking up a 20M option on TO's K. It's a bargain!![]()
No, last reported the Redskins were $4.1 million under the cap and reworking Clinton's contract that would put them a cool $8 million under. That is all after they signed Collins...Wash would be a good place. Randle El can go back to the slot and Moss opposite him, i like it. I think Wash needs to redo some contracts (portis maybe?) since they are only like 200K under the cap (last I heard).I agree, NOT TENN!!!Two Deep said:The player rep for D.J. Hackett, whose client has not made any free agent visits, expects the Titans and Redskins to pursue Hackett this week."(The Titans) told us Friday they would be in touch with us this week," the agent said. "We were told the same thing by the Redskins, that they would be in touch with us. We are obviously not panicking by any stretch."Source: Nashville Tennessean Please FFL gods please do not let D.J.Hackett sign with the Tennessee Titans. PLEEEEASE!
Its got to be Washington. Zorn has seen alot of him and will probably roll the dice on him. If he can stay healthy, he'll come thru for them.PatriotColtLionSaintSteeler.Seahawk.Eagle.Panther.Titan.Hackett will be a Viking..
No, last reported the Redskins were $4.1 million under the cap and reworking Clinton's contract that would put them a cool $8 million under. That is all after they signed Collins...Wash would be a good place. Randle El can go back to the slot and Moss opposite him, i like it. I think Wash needs to redo some contracts (portis maybe?) since they are only like 200K under the cap (last I heard).I agree, NOT TENN!!!The player rep for D.J. Hackett, whose client has not made any free agent visits, expects the Titans and Redskins to pursue Hackett this week."(The Titans) told us Friday they would be in touch with us this week," the agent said. "We were told the same thing by the Redskins, that they would be in touch with us. We are obviously not panicking by any stretch."Source: Nashville Tennessean Please FFL gods please do not let D.J.Hackett sign with the Tennessee Titans. PLEEEEASE!
Whoever signs him is going to get the best WR FA bargain this year, IMHO.
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This doesn't do him justice. He's an above average starting NFL WR when he's healthy. I agree that if his past injury history is indicative of future performance, then his value is limited, but I also know that certain players take longer to learn to get their bodies into the shape needed to get through a 16+ game season and postseason. This was true of guys like Fred Taylor, Isaac Bruce, Donte Stallworth, etc. I've never heard that he doesn't work hard, so to me as a 'Skins fan who wants my team to sign him, he's an excellent "buy low" WR.Whoever signs him is going to get the best WR FA bargain this year, IMHO.What kind of money is he asking for and what has he done? He is the Antwan Odom/Calvin Pace of this years WR group (as thin as it is). The guy gets injured and does not practice well. I am glad that the Seahawks did not overpay to keep this guy. Nice guy, but nice doesn't win championships.
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I don't really recall him being injured much prior to this season, he would've gotten a lot more PT earlier if they hadn't acquired Branch. He got a high ankle sprain this season which takes a long time to heal and it got hurt again when he came back. That's only one injury problem that I can think of and is completely cured by an offseason of rest. I really don't believe "injury prone" applies to him. Maybe I am forgetting past injury, but I don't recall one. His biggest problem was having too many vets in front of him. As for practice, he may have had a slightly bad rep, though that was mostly speculation when he wasn't being given PT over underachieving WRs like Burleson in 06. After he won the job from Nate he was often praised, through the ofseason to the start of 07 as working hard at practice. His only sin against the practice gods was to miss the first two days of camp for the birth of his daughter. After which he was immediately put on 1st team while Nate moved down to WR4. Basically injury prone and practice doghouse labels are just overreactions to and don't really apply.redman said:This doesn't do him justice. He's an above average starting NFL WR when he's healthy. I agree that if his past injury history is indicative of future performance, then his value is limited, but I also know that certain players take longer to learn to get their bodies into the shape needed to get through a 16+ game season and postseason. This was true of guys like Fred Taylor, Isaac Bruce, Donte Stallworth, etc. I've never heard that he doesn't work hard, so to me as a 'Skins fan who wants my team to sign him, he's an excellent "buy low" WR.Whoever signs him is going to get the best WR FA bargain this year, IMHO.What kind of money is he asking for and what has he done? He is the Antwan Odom/Calvin Pace of this years WR group (as thin as it is). The guy gets injured and does not practice well. I am glad that the Seahawks did not overpay to keep this guy. Nice guy, but nice doesn't win championships.
He was hobbled for the early and latter parts of '06 as well. Basically he has been injured more games than he's been healthy in his career so far.I don't really recall him being injured much prior to this season, he would've gotten a lot more PT earlier if they hadn't acquired Branch. He got a high ankle sprain this season which takes a long time to heal and it got hurt again when he came back. That's only one injury problem that I can think of and is completely cured by an offseason of rest. I really don't believe "injury prone" applies to him. Maybe I am forgetting past injury, but I don't recall one. His biggest problem was having too many vets in front of him. As for practice, he may have had a slightly bad rep, though that was mostly speculation when he wasn't being given PT over underachieving WRs like Burleson in 06. After he won the job from Nate he was often praised, through the ofseason to the start of 07 as working hard at practice. His only sin against the practice gods was to miss the first two days of camp for the birth of his daughter. After which he was immediately put on 1st team while Nate moved down to WR4. Basically injury prone and practice doghouse labels are just overreactions to and don't really apply.redman said:This doesn't do him justice. He's an above average starting NFL WR when he's healthy. I agree that if his past injury history is indicative of future performance, then his value is limited, but I also know that certain players take longer to learn to get their bodies into the shape needed to get through a 16+ game season and postseason. This was true of guys like Fred Taylor, Isaac Bruce, Donte Stallworth, etc. I've never heard that he doesn't work hard, so to me as a 'Skins fan who wants my team to sign him, he's an excellent "buy low" WR.Whoever signs him is going to get the best WR FA bargain this year, IMHO.What kind of money is he asking for and what has he done? He is the Antwan Odom/Calvin Pace of this years WR group (as thin as it is). The guy gets injured and does not practice well. I am glad that the Seahawks did not overpay to keep this guy. Nice guy, but nice doesn't win championships.
Last 4 games of the 06 season he had over 350 yards and 2 TDs, including a great game against TB in the reg season finale. And that came after a huge game against AZ 3 weeks prior. I was at that game and he was nowhere near hobbled. If he was hobbled at all, it happened in the playoffs. For the reg season, he beat out Burleson for the second half starting duties. I just don't see, looking at his game logs a guy that has been more injured than healthy, especially in the end of 06 which is what cemented his starting position for 07. A high ankle sprain that bothers you throughout the season you get it in does not make you injury prone.He was hobbled for the early and latter parts of '06 as well. Basically he has been injured more games than he's been healthy in his career so far.I don't really recall him being injured much prior to this season, he would've gotten a lot more PT earlier if they hadn't acquired Branch. He got a high ankle sprain this season which takes a long time to heal and it got hurt again when he came back. That's only one injury problem that I can think of and is completely cured by an offseason of rest. I really don't believe "injury prone" applies to him. Maybe I am forgetting past injury, but I don't recall one. His biggest problem was having too many vets in front of him. As for practice, he may have had a slightly bad rep, though that was mostly speculation when he wasn't being given PT over underachieving WRs like Burleson in 06. After he won the job from Nate he was often praised, through the ofseason to the start of 07 as working hard at practice. His only sin against the practice gods was to miss the first two days of camp for the birth of his daughter. After which he was immediately put on 1st team while Nate moved down to WR4. Basically injury prone and practice doghouse labels are just overreactions to and don't really apply.redman said:This doesn't do him justice. He's an above average starting NFL WR when he's healthy. I agree that if his past injury history is indicative of future performance, then his value is limited, but I also know that certain players take longer to learn to get their bodies into the shape needed to get through a 16+ game season and postseason. This was true of guys like Fred Taylor, Isaac Bruce, Donte Stallworth, etc. I've never heard that he doesn't work hard, so to me as a 'Skins fan who wants my team to sign him, he's an excellent "buy low" WR.Whoever signs him is going to get the best WR FA bargain this year, IMHO.What kind of money is he asking for and what has he done? He is the Antwan Odom/Calvin Pace of this years WR group (as thin as it is). The guy gets injured and does not practice well. I am glad that the Seahawks did not overpay to keep this guy. Nice guy, but nice doesn't win championships.