DMac to KC a possibility (1 Viewer)

[greenf7cat]

So I was reading an article on Warpaint Illustrated.com this morning, and the topic at hand was whether or not KC would take DMac at #5 if Jake Long is taken before their pick. All of the obvious signs point to no, but the article does make some good points.

KC would have arguably the most explosive backfield in the NFL, giving opposing Def. Coordinators nightmares when it came down to game planning against KC. DMac could step in and backup LJ for a year or two, splitting time, and coming in on 3rd downs to pass block and catch out of the backfield.. I must say, it would be an amazing thing to see...or would it??

With the disaster that is the KC Offensive line, would fans just see LJ and DMac consistently run into the back of the OL as they are being pushed into the backfield by opposing DL-men??

Finally, would shelling out that much $ to 2 stars at the same position be healthy for a team in re-building mode? My thoughts lean towards "no" to that question.

As a diehard KC Fan, I must say that I am completely intrigued by this possibility, but don't know what to expect from this team if this scenario does occur.

Do you have any thoughts on this possibility?

 

[Banger]

that would be absolutely idiotic IMO.

 

[greenf7cat]

that would be absolutely idiotic IMO.

I'm leaning towards agreeing with you on this, as I would rather see an OL or DL taken with this pick, but the article still has my interest.

 

[bluesclues]

Warpaint Illustrated.com

 

[jestertj]

So I was reading an article on Warpaint Illustrated.com this morning, and the topic at hand was whether or not KC would take DMac at #5 if Jake Long is taken before their pick. All of the obvious signs point to no, but the article does make some good points.

KC would have arguably the most explosive backfield in the NFL, giving opposing Def. Coordinators nightmares when it came down to game planning against KC. DMac could step in and backup LJ for a year or two, splitting time, and coming in on 3rd downs to pass block and catch out of the backfield.. I must say, it would be an amazing thing to see...or would it??

With the disaster that is the KC Offensive line, would fans just see LJ and DMac consistently run into the back of the OL as they are being pushed into the backfield by opposing DL-men??

Finally, would shelling out that much $ to 2 stars at the same position be healthy for a team in re-building mode? My thoughts lean towards "no" to that question.

As a diehard KC Fan, I must say that I am completely intrigued by this possibility, but don't know what to expect from this team if this scenario does occur.

Do you have any thoughts on this possibility?

I think the bolded part is the most important. With that many needs, it might be wise to invest that #5 money somewhere other than the backfield.

 

[greenf7cat]

Warpaint Illustrated.com

You can also find it here: http://kan.scout.com/

 

[Banger]

that would be absolutely idiotic IMO.

I'm leaning towards agreeing with you on this, as I would rather see an OL or DL taken with this pick, but the article still has my interest.

RB isn't their problem and getting the best RB of all time won't improve their team much if at all.

 

[gianmarco]

I don't think it would be idiotic at all. In fact, it makes good sense to me. First of all, that backfield would be pretty amazing if they kept both guys. It would also allow KC to consider options to move LJ. I don't think the KC fans would mind getting rid of him at all. He's also on the older side already and this is a great chance to get his replacement. They could address the O-line in the 2nd round where there are still some quality players projected to be around. Finally, if the NYJ were salivating over taking him at 6, they might be able to work out something with the NYJ and get something in return.

This pick would not surprise me at all. If they did this, I could see them actively shopping LJ and getting some picks in return.

 

[greenf7cat]

that would be absolutely idiotic IMO.

I'm leaning towards agreeing with you on this, as I would rather see an OL or DL taken with this pick, but the article still has my interest.

RB isn't their problem and getting the best RB of all time won't improve their team much if at all.

I agree with you yet once again, but everyone knows that KC is not going anywhere in 2008 (even Herm and the entire orgainization), so maybe they just take the best player avail. and work towards '09??? Just playing devil's advocate!!

 

[{Syrus}]

Strange things happen once the draft starts. Expect the unexpected. This year will be no different and everyone will come to this board after the draft scratching their heads, complaining, and wondering why the draft didn't go like mock drafts said it would.

[Flashback] New Orleans will never take Reggie Bush with Deuce Mcallister already there. [/Flashback]

 

[Chase Stuart]

I could definitely see this. DMac is an upgrade over Croyle.

 

[Banger]

I don't think it would be idiotic at all. In fact, it makes good sense to me. First of all, that backfield would be pretty amazing if they kept both guys. It would also allow KC to consider options to move LJ. I don't think the KC fans would mind getting rid of him at all. He's also on the older side already and this is a great chance to get his replacement. They could address the O-line in the 2nd round where there are still some quality players projected to be around. Finally, if the NYJ were salivating over taking him at 6, they might be able to work out something with the NYJ and get something in return. This pick would not surprise me at all. If they did this, I could see them actively shopping LJ and getting some picks in return.

How would that improve their team? Do you know that Dmac is better than LJ? RB trade value is not great to begin with let alone with the very big deal that LJ signed just last year. They need a line, a QB, a 2nd wr, a lot on defense and wasting a pick on one of the few positions that's already a strength doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me when there are 1/2 dozen GLARING holes on their team.

 

[greenf7cat]

This is the last paragraph contained in that article on warpaintillustrated.com:

"As ludicrous as it might be, don't discount the possibility that Kansas City might pick McFadden. Warpaint Illustrated was recently informed that McFadden has been seriously discussed at Arrowhead as recently as this past week. According to our source, the Chiefs definitely have an interest in the rookie running back."

 

[Banger]

This is the last paragraph contained in that article on warpaintillustrated.com:"As ludicrous as it might be, don't discount the possibility that Kansas City might pick McFadden. Warpaint Illustrated was recently informed that McFadden has been seriously discussed at Arrowhead as recently as this past week. According to our source, the Chiefs definitely have an interest in the rookie running back."

This is all a smokescreen IMO to entice another team to move up. As it stands now, Long will be long gone and drafting the next best tackle at their current position would be a reach so they are putting out smoke probably looking to drop down a few spots, get the guy they want and pick up a few extra picks to boot.

 

[gianmarco]

I don't think it would be idiotic at all. In fact, it makes good sense to me. First of all, that backfield would be pretty amazing if they kept both guys. It would also allow KC to consider options to move LJ. I don't think the KC fans would mind getting rid of him at all. He's also on the older side already and this is a great chance to get his replacement. They could address the O-line in the 2nd round where there are still some quality players projected to be around. Finally, if the NYJ were salivating over taking him at 6, they might be able to work out something with the NYJ and get something in return. This pick would not surprise me at all. If they did this, I could see them actively shopping LJ and getting some picks in return.

How would that improve their team? Do you know that Dmac is better than LJ? RB trade value is not great to begin with let alone with the very big deal that LJ signed just last year. They need a line, a QB, a 2nd wr, a lot on defense and wasting a pick on one of the few positions that's already a strength doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me when there are 1/2 dozen GLARING holes on their team.

NFL teams don't always pick for needs, especially in the 1st round if they have a guy rated high enough and consider him BPA. Look at Minn last year. That team was expected to be miserable, they had a RB coming off a 1200 yd season, but they chose the BPA. While the defense was stifling, AP made such an impact that Minn was actually a contender until week 17. This year, they are thought of as a legit team just 1 year after being considered a cellar dwellar. Now, I don't think DMac is in AP's ballpark whatsoever, but he could be something special. If the Chiefs think so, I could see this happening easily. They will not solve all their problems in 1 draft and have a long way to go. I also subscribe to the thinking that unless the talent is amazing, taking an OL in the 1st round is usually not the best way to go. And again, DMac doesn't have to be better than LJ. But LJ is going to be 29 this year. He will not be around when KC is even remotely a contender. This gives them a chance to part ways and get his successor.

 

[Biabreakable]

I could definitely see this. DMac is an upgrade over Croyle.

Hehe. Good posting.Of course KC would probobly need to get rid of Herm to be able to have a offense dynamic enough to make use of Dmac on enough trick plays for this to be noticable.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I could definitely see this. DMac is an upgrade over Croyle.

I laughed, and probably true.

 

[burd]

if this happens, it'll be because KC is predicting that LJ's hard running style will lead to a quicker than normal decline in production. I love to watch LJ run, but how long can he continue to run into and over people?

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I trust Warpaint Illustrated as much as I trust that politicians never lie.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

This is the last paragraph contained in that article on warpaintillustrated.com:

"As ludicrous as it might be, don't discount the possibility that Kansas City might pick McFadden. Warpaint Illustrated was recently informed that McFadden has been seriously discussed at Arrowhead as recently as this past week. According to our source, the Chiefs definitely have an interest in the rookie running back."suckering another franchise to trade up

Fixed

 

[greenf7cat]

I trust Warpaint Illustrated as much as I trust that politicians never lie.

I wasn't sure of their credibility since I am a "new" reader of their material.... but it still poses an interesting case if this does occur. I figured it would still be worth discussing for the "just in case" scenario...

 

[FUBAR]

[Flashback] New Orleans will never take Reggie Bush with Deuce Mcallister already there. [/Flashback]

Please point to where anyone thought Bush to New Orleans wouldn't happen BECAUSE OF DEUCE.

 

[KellysHeroes]

not after paying LJ all the Money last yr..

 

[FavreCo]

that would be absolutely idiotic IMO.

That could top Miami taking Ginn last year. Go for it Herminator. I know you have the skill and imagination to do something this stupid.

 

[FUBAR]

I don't think it would be idiotic at all. In fact, it makes good sense to me. First of all, that backfield would be pretty amazing if they kept both guys. It would also allow KC to consider options to move LJ. I don't think the KC fans would mind getting rid of him at all. He's also on the older side already and this is a great chance to get his replacement. They could address the O-line in the 2nd round where there are still some quality players projected to be around. Finally, if the NYJ were salivating over taking him at 6, they might be able to work out something with the NYJ and get something in return. This pick would not surprise me at all. If they did this, I could see them actively shopping LJ and getting some picks in return.

How would that improve their team? Do you know that Dmac is better than LJ? RB trade value is not great to begin with let alone with the very big deal that LJ signed just last year. They need a line, a QB, a 2nd wr, a lot on defense and wasting a pick on one of the few positions that's already a strength doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me when there are 1/2 dozen GLARING holes on their team.

NFL teams don't always pick for needs, especially in the 1st round if they have a guy rated high enough and consider him BPA. Look at Minn last year. That team was expected to be miserable, they had a RB coming off a 1200 yd season, but they chose the BPA. While the defense was stifling, AP made such an impact that Minn was actually a contender until week 17. This year, they are thought of as a legit team just 1 year after being considered a cellar dwellar. Now, I don't think DMac is in AP's ballpark whatsoever, but he could be something special. If the Chiefs think so, I could see this happening easily. They will not solve all their problems in 1 draft and have a long way to go. I also subscribe to the thinking that unless the talent is amazing, taking an OL in the 1st round is usually not the best way to go. And again, DMac doesn't have to be better than LJ. But LJ is going to be 29 this year. He will not be around when KC is even remotely a contender. This gives them a chance to part ways and get his successor.

As you said, DMac is not AD's caliber. Also, the Vikings, while not a great team in 2006, didn't have as glaring a need at positions with great talent available at their spot. Given the options of AD, Ginn, Jamal Anderson, Okoye or Willis, they took the player that made the most sense for them - in large part because he was the BPA, but that wasn't the only reason. Here, with the 1.05 in 2008, KC will be able to land one of the Longs, Dorsey, Ryan or Ellis. All of which are equally talented to DMac and all make more sense.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Finally, if the NYJ were salivating over taking him at 6, they might be able to work out something with the NYJ and get something in return.

It is highly unlikely that the Jets would trade up for him though. They have 5 players for sure that they like at the 6 spot - and could pick up a top CB instead if those guys all fell.The Jets are in a great position to get value without having to move a muscle.I will say the Same thing I have said about KC for months now - it don't matter what you have in the backfield - running or throwing - if the opposing DLine is setting up camp and living there next to them.They need to fix the Oline.Anything else is incredibly dangerous.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I could definitely see this. DMac is an upgrade over Croyle.

It was pretty stupid of the Vikings to draft Adrian Peterson last year when RB was not their biggest need. ADP was an upgrade over Tarvaris Jackson too, right?

 

[greenf7cat]

I don't think it would be idiotic at all. In fact, it makes good sense to me. First of all, that backfield would be pretty amazing if they kept both guys. It would also allow KC to consider options to move LJ. I don't think the KC fans would mind getting rid of him at all. He's also on the older side already and this is a great chance to get his replacement. They could address the O-line in the 2nd round where there are still some quality players projected to be around. Finally, if the NYJ were salivating over taking him at 6, they might be able to work out something with the NYJ and get something in return.

This pick would not surprise me at all. If they did this, I could see them actively shopping LJ and getting some picks in return.

How would that improve their team? Do you know that Dmac is better than LJ? RB trade value is not great to begin with let alone with the very big deal that LJ signed just last year. They need a line, a QB, a 2nd wr, a lot on defense and wasting a pick on one of the few positions that's already a strength doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me when there are 1/2 dozen GLARING holes on their team.

NFL teams don't always pick for needs, especially in the 1st round if they have a guy rated high enough and consider him BPA. Look at Minn last year. That team was expected to be miserable, they had a RB coming off a 1200 yd season, but they chose the BPA. While the defense was stifling, AP made such an impact that Minn was actually a contender until week 17. This year, they are thought of as a legit team just 1 year after being considered a cellar dwellar. Now, I don't think DMac is in AP's ballpark whatsoever, but he could be something special. If the Chiefs think so, I could see this happening easily. They will not solve all their problems in 1 draft and have a long way to go. I also subscribe to the thinking that unless the talent is amazing, taking an OL in the 1st round is usually not the best way to go.

And again, DMac doesn't have to be better than LJ. But LJ is going to be 29 this year. He will not be around when KC is even remotely a contender. This gives them a chance to part ways and get his successor.

As you said, DMac is not AD's caliber. Also, the Vikings, while not a great team in 2006, didn't have as glaring a need at positions with great talent available at their spot. Given the options of AD, Ginn, Jamal Anderson, Okoye or Willis, they took the player that made the most sense for them - in large part because he was the BPA, but that wasn't the only reason.

Here, with the 1.05 in 2008, KC will be able to land one of the Longs, Dorsey, Ryan or Ellis. All of which are equally talented to DMac and all make more sense.

Well said... I just think that this would be an awful move by KC, even though DMac is considered the best player in this draft. They just have no need for him. Considering that they haven't done anything in FA, and are looking to add starters via the draft, what good would a "backup" be in '08? They have glaring needs at OL (3 spots to fill), CB (1 Starter, 1 reserve), WR2, and possibly QB... just doesnt make too much sense to me

 

[3nOut]

Everytime i see DMac I think of Deuce McAllister.

 

[delusional]

Anyone else read it Walmart Paint

 

[FUBAR]

Here, with the 1.05 in 2008, KC will be able to land one of the Longs, Dorsey, Ryan or Ellis. All of which are equally talented to DMac and all make more sense.

Well said... I just think that this would be an awful move by KC, even though DMac is considered the best player in this draft. They just have no need for him. Considering that they haven't done anything in FA, and are looking to add starters via the draft, what good would a "backup" be in '08? They have glaring needs at OL (3 spots to fill), CB (1 Starter, 1 reserve), WR2, and possibly QB... just doesnt make too much sense to me

most hyped maybe. best FF prospect, sure. I don't have him in my top 10, neither do a few of the "experts".

 

[travdogg]

Honestly, that would arguably the biggest surprise in NFL draft history!!

 

[*****]

Honestly, that would arguably the biggest surprise in NFL draft history!!

Why? Honestly, having LJ behind Priest Holmes worked out pretty well for this franchise. They may decide to do the same thing one more time and cut LJ in two/three years..

 

[greenf7cat]

Honestly, that would arguably the biggest surprise in NFL draft history!!

Why? Honestly, having LJ behind Priest Holmes worked out pretty well for this franchise. They may decide to do the same thing one more time and cut LJ in two/three years..

yes it did...worked out very well, but they would never cut LJ...maybe trade; never release him!!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Then they can trade a bothersome Larry Johnson to the Steelers for a 2nd and OT Max Starks. Much like the Bettis trade of years ago!



"... dream a little dream (with) me..."

 

[Couch Potato]

I could definitely see this. DMac is an upgrade over Croyle.

McDaddy has completed more passes than Croyle... if ya know what I mean.

 

[Colts Win]

AKA Please trade up for our draft pick.

 

[sholditch]

I could definitely see this. DMac is an upgrade over Croyle.

Nice. I don't follow the team but I would be comfortable betting large amounts of money that RB is last on their list of needs.

 

[KSkid]

This is the last paragraph contained in that article on warpaintillustrated.com:"As ludicrous as it might be, don't discount the possibility that Kansas City might pick McFadden. Warpaint Illustrated was recently informed that McFadden has been seriously discussed at Arrowhead as recently as this past week. According to our source, the Chiefs definitely have an interest in the rookie running back."

This is all a smokescreen IMO to entice another team to move up. As it stands now, Long will be long gone and drafting the next best tackle at their current position would be a reach so they are putting out smoke probably looking to drop down a few spots, get the guy they want and pick up a few extra picks to boot.

That's exactly how I see it. They are just hoping to be able to move down some and get more picks.

 

[KSkid]

I could definitely see this. DMac is an upgrade over Croyle.

It was pretty stupid of the Vikings to draft Adrian Peterson last year when RB was not their biggest need. ADP was an upgrade over Tarvaris Jackson too, right?

The Vikings actually have an O-Line, the Chiefs don't. It doesn't matter how good the backs are if they don't have anyone blocking for them. McFadden isn't Barry Sanders.

 

[Riffraff]

Never a bad move to take BPA. There are other rounds in the draft, not just 1.

 

[twitch]

This is the last paragraph contained in that article on warpaintillustrated.com:"As ludicrous as it might be, don't discount the possibility that Kansas City might pick McFadden. Warpaint Illustrated was recently informed that McFadden has been seriously discussed at Arrowhead as recently as this past week. According to our source, the Chiefs definitely have an interest in the rookie running back."

This is all a smokescreen IMO to entice another team to move up. As it stands now, Long will be long gone and drafting the next best tackle at their current position would be a reach so they are putting out smoke probably looking to drop down a few spots, get the guy they want and pick up a few extra picks to boot.

Id say there's about a 1% chance KC would actually draft McFadden. When your team absolutely stinks, and youre in desperate need of THREE starters along the Oline, you take the BPA in a position of NEED. There are plenty of tremendous impact players in areas they can actually use from day 1. McFadden is no sure thing. But he's got very little chance of succeeding on a team with a pitiful Oline and horrible Quarterback play. Like Banger has said here. This is simple leveraging their position if anything at all.

 

[bostonfred]

Croyle would look a lot better with Bowe, Gonzalez, the two backs, and an extra blocker out there. The offense wouldn't be great, but it would be far from terrible. Add in the fact that Herm likes to run, and that the team would like to limit Larry Johnson's carries, and it could actually be a great move, especially if they can find a decent lineman or two in the draft or free agency.

 

[cstu]

I don't think it would be idiotic at all. In fact, it makes good sense to me. First of all, that backfield would be pretty amazing if they kept both guys. It would also allow KC to consider options to move LJ. I don't think the KC fans would mind getting rid of him at all. He's also on the older side already and this is a great chance to get his replacement. They could address the O-line in the 2nd round where there are still some quality players projected to be around. Finally, if the NYJ were salivating over taking him at 6, they might be able to work out something with the NYJ and get something in return.

This pick would not surprise me at all. If they did this, I could see them actively shopping LJ and getting some picks in return.

How would that improve their team? Do you know that Dmac is better than LJ? RB trade value is not great to begin with let alone with the very big deal that LJ signed just last year. They need a line, a QB, a 2nd wr, a lot on defense and wasting a pick on one of the few positions that's already a strength doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me when there are 1/2 dozen GLARING holes on their team.

Same went for the Vikings last year.

 

[massraider]

That backfield would be amazing, as soon as they find a way to get around that pesky "one ball at a time" rule.

 

[travdogg]

Never a bad move to take BPA. There are other rounds in the draft, not just 1.

I hear that a lot around draft time and it sounds nice but is ultimately not true.For example, if Matt Ryan falls to 7 should the Patriots take him because he's the BPA?

 

[JaxBill]

I could definitely see this. DMac is an upgrade over Croyle.

It was pretty stupid of the Vikings to draft Adrian Peterson last year when RB was not their biggest need. ADP was an upgrade over Tarvaris Jackson too, right?

I figured Chase was hassling the OP about using DMac and not talking about McNabb.

 

[gianmarco]

Never a bad move to take BPA. There are other rounds in the draft, not just 1.

I hear that a lot around draft time and it sounds nice but is ultimately not true.For example, if Matt Ryan falls to 7 should the Patriots take him because he's the BPA?

No, because Ryan wouldn't be the BPA at 7.

 

[Banger]

I don't think it would be idiotic at all. In fact, it makes good sense to me. First of all, that backfield would be pretty amazing if they kept both guys. It would also allow KC to consider options to move LJ. I don't think the KC fans would mind getting rid of him at all. He's also on the older side already and this is a great chance to get his replacement. They could address the O-line in the 2nd round where there are still some quality players projected to be around. Finally, if the NYJ were salivating over taking him at 6, they might be able to work out something with the NYJ and get something in return.

This pick would not surprise me at all. If they did this, I could see them actively shopping LJ and getting some picks in return.

How would that improve their team? Do you know that Dmac is better than LJ? RB trade value is not great to begin with let alone with the very big deal that LJ signed just last year. They need a line, a QB, a 2nd wr, a lot on defense and wasting a pick on one of the few positions that's already a strength doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me when there are 1/2 dozen GLARING holes on their team.

Same went for the Vikings last year.

Taylor<>LJ in any way..talent, financial committment, etc. They both play RB that's about it.

 

[bostonfred]

That backfield would be amazing, as soon as they find a way to get around that pesky "one ball at a time" rule.

They'd have two backs who can catch the ball, a tight end who can get the ball open in space, an improving Bowe, and six blockers. You can't cover Gonzalez with a linebacker, but he can block a safety, so you have seven blockers when you need them and he can clear out the box for either back if he needs to. With two tight ends and two backs, you can't cheat to either side, and you could hit short passes anywhere on the field so you can make up for the offensive line deficiencies by making short, quick passes in any direction. It's a good ball control offense, which is what Herm wants. I think it's one of the better picks the Chiefs could make.