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DNC Leaks...official thread (1 Viewer)

SaintsInDome2006 said:
Roger Stone said he spoke to Assange, possibly making him and Trump principals to a crime.

That's a big problem if true.
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You will have to e plain why this would be an issue

Roger Stone no longer works for any campaign

Assange spoke at the Green Party convention....is that an issue for Stein?

Assange did an an on air interview with Maher who has donated a million dollars to Clinton

Assange has done numerous other interviews and I'm sure has contacted any number of officials....

 
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My good buddy is an international hacker and he tells me that the DNC guy did leak info to WikiLeaks.

Whether this guy leaked Intel or he was collecting data on voting irregularities in the Democratic primaries or he was just an innocent pencil pusher doesn't change the fact that he was assaulted then murdered with nothing taken from his person.

The circumstances that surround his death and his connection to the DNC are enough for any reasonable person to raise an eyebrow.

 
Rove! said:
You will have to e plain why this would be an issue

Roger Stone no longer works for any campaign

Assange spoke at the Green Party convention....is that an issue for Stein?

Assange did an an on air interview with Maher who has donated a million dollars to Clinton

Assange has done numerous other interviews and I'm sure has contacted any number of officials....
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Roger Stone Donald Trump speak regularly. Stone is an operative for Trump running his own operation, they are friends and they talk almost every day, and Trump listens to his counsel.

It's an issue because Assange is engaged in a crime and those coordinating with him would be too.

As far as Assange doing interviews, the content is different. Assange and Stone are discussing an entirely different crime, a new one, that is either underway or yet to be perpetrated.

If this is true Stone should be contacting the FBI.

 
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Gucci Fur said:
My good buddy is an international hacker and he tells me that the DNC guy did leak info to WikiLeaks.

Whether this guy leaked Intel or he was collecting data on voting irregularities in the Democratic primaries or he was just an innocent pencil pusher doesn't change the fact that he was assaulted then murdered with nothing taken from his person.

The circumstances that surround his death and his connection to the DNC are enough for any reasonable person to raise an eyebrow.
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It's pretty easy to cover-up bigtime corruption.  Just label anyone that believes that it exists as a conspiracy theorist, and BAM, the job is done.

Amazing that we'll read novels full of political assassinations, the history of the world is FULL of assassinations and killings, but believing that a guy that leaked info from the DNC to wikileaks might have been murdered is labelled as a conspiracy.

 
mcintyre1 said:
And WhatDoesItMean.com citing a secret Russian intelligence report is? That's the sole source of the claim he was trying to meet the FBI at 4am near his apartment. That supposed intelligence report also claims that the Clinton hit team was apprehended in a gun battle with automatic rifles mere blocks away from the White House. I guess that one just didn't make the news,  huh? 
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The point is that just posting a link to snopes as if that closes the case is hilariously naive.  

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Roger Stone Donald Trump speak regularly. Stone is an operative for Trump running his own operation, they are friends and they talk almost every day, and Trump listens to his counsel.

It's an issue because Assange is engaged in a crime and those coordinating with him would be too.

As far as Assange doing interviews, the content is different. Assange and Stone are discussing an entirely different crime, a new one, that is either underway or yet to be perpetrated.

If this is true Stone should be contacting the FBI.
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He says they communicated, it doesn't mean coordination.  In the same quote, Stone says he has no idea if there will be an October surprise or even what the next release of emails is.  He says it may be about the Clinton Foundation, but Assange himself said it may be about the Clinton Foundation in public interviews.  That's does not sound like coordination by any definition.  Stone knows less than the rest of us about what may be released.  Assange has also said the DNC emails were the result of leaks and not hacks, so this may be just good old fashioned journalism on his part.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Roger Stone Donald Trump speak regularly. Stone is an operative for Trump running his own operation, they are friends and they talk almost every day, and Trump listens to his counsel.

It's an issue because Assange is engaged in a crime and those coordinating with him would be too.

As far as Assange doing interviews, the content is different. Assange and Stone are discussing an entirely different crime, a new one, that is either underway or yet to be perpetrated.

If this is true Stone should be contacting the FBI.
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You used to be a pretty rational person.

 
Rove! said:
He says they communicated, it doesn't mean coordination.  In the same quote, Stone says he has no idea if there will be an October surprise or even what the next release of emails is.  He says it may be about the Clinton Foundation, but Assange himself said it may be about the Clinton Foundation in public interviews.  That's does not sound like coordination by any definition.  Stone knows less than the rest of us about what may be released.  Assange has also said the DNC emails were the result of leaks and not hacks, so this may be just good old fashioned journalism on his part.
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Ok fair points, but if that's the case then Assange needs to say a leak was the source and if it was Rich (who is dead, so no need to protect him plus public interest is at stake) he needs to spell that out and as you suggest actually 'report' it, which is what journalists do.

 
jonessed said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Roger Stone Donald Trump speak regularly. Stone is an operative for Trump running his own operation, they are friends and they talk almost every day, and Trump listens to his counsel.

It's an issue because Assange is engaged in a crime and those coordinating with him would be too.

As far as Assange doing interviews, the content is different. Assange and Stone are discussing an entirely different crime, a new one, that is either underway or yet to be perpetrated.

If this is true Stone should be contacting the FBI.
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You used to be a pretty rational person.
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Jones, let me say I ready your posts when they come across the wire and I enjoy them. This is my position on Assange.

- I don't know how you fall on Snowden/Assange as hero or or criminal, but I can tell you being a very pro transparency person I started out thinking they were closer to heroes and now I'm pretty well convinced they are criminals. Just because some positive things have come out of what they have done does not change that what they have done is illegal.

So maybe I'm being irrational here and taking a leap - Rove makes good points above - but if Assange is planning new hacks with someone, or even if he is talking about a "leak", when it come to the Foundations that is private data, that is theft. I'm as interested as anyone in what is on the Foundation's server, probably more than most really, but that doesn't mean I approve of stealing private data from a company, or from a political party. If Stone actually knows something about the Foundation being hacked then he needs to contact authorities because that is brand new news.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Jones, let me say I ready your posts when they come across the wire and I enjoy them. This is my position on Assange.

- I don't know how you fall on Snowden/Assange as hero or or criminal, but I can tell you being a very pro transparency person I started out thinking they were closer to heroes and now I'm pretty well convinced they are criminals. Just because some positive things have come out of what they have done does not change that what they have done is illegal.

So maybe I'm being irrational here and taking a leap - Rove makes good points above - but if Assange is planning new hacks with someone, or even if he is talking about a "leak", when it come to the Foundations that is private data, that is theft. I'm as interested as anyone in what is on the Foundation's server, probably more than most really, but that doesn't mean I approve of stealing private data from a company, or from a political party. If Stone actually knows something about the Foundation being hacked then he needs to contact authorities because that is brand new news.
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I'm more pro-Snowden than Assange.  Snowden's releases were more about an internal system of corruption and illegality and he tried to do it through the US media first. He ended up exposing not only what the government was doing, but how the media was actively running interference for them.  

Assange dumped a lot of information that people's lives in jeopardy.  Much of which really didn't serve any other purpose.

That's based on their initial actions though.  I don't think Snowden had any desire to be a Russian play toy, but circumstances didn't present him with a lot of options.  He's obviously compromised now.

Assange published hacked emails, Stone spoke with Assange, Stone is a friend of Trump, therefore Trump is part of a crime. That seems like quite a stretch.  Even leaping from Assange to Stone is quite a reach given Stone's statements.  Maybe this is something the FBI will look into, but there certainly isn't anything here intimating they are part of a crime.

 
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jonessed said:
Assange published hacked emails, Stone spoke with Assange, Stone is a friend of Trump, therefore Trump is part of a crime. That seems like quite a stretch.  Even leaping from Assange to Stone is quite a reach given Stone's statements.  Maybe this is something the FBI will look into, but there certainly isn't anything here intimating they are part of a crime.
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Fair enough, I likely lept too far there.

 
shader said:
The point is that just posting a link to snopes as if that closes the case is hilariously naive.  
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Excuse me for thinking someone might actually read the article and use their own brain to determine that the source of the conspiracy is absolute bat#### insane. At this point I can't really tell if you people are trolling or if you're actually this mental. 

 
mcintyre1 said:
Excuse me for thinking someone might actually read the article and use their own brain to determine that the source of the conspiracy is absolute bat#### insane. At this point I can't really tell if you people are trolling or if you're actually this mental. 
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"You people"?  What's your deal?  My point stands.  Just because snopes posts a link claiming to debunk something, doesn't mean it's debunked.  They have an agenda, like almost everyone.

Wikileaks is reporting on this, offering a reward, etc.  I have absolutely no idea, nor do I really care what happened.  But I'm not going to believe something just because I read it on Snopes, and neither should you.

 
shader said:
"You people"?  What's your deal?  My point stands.  Just because snopes posts a link claiming to debunk something, doesn't mean it's debunked.  They have an agenda, like almost everyone.

Wikileaks is reporting on this, offering a reward, etc.  I have absolutely no idea, nor do I really care what happened.  But I'm not going to believe something just because I read it on Snopes, and neither should you.
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Still waiting on any evidence at all that Seth Rich was meeting with the FBI. 

Also, wiki leaks is not 'reporting on this', Assange made a reference to the existing conspiracy theories during an interview and made a PR stunt on Twitter. If Rich was the leaker and they knew,  there's zero reason for them to keep it secret after his death. That'd be the story of the decade. 

Speaking of agendas, do you think Assange doesn't have an agenda? He's been hounded by a Democratic government for years. He has every reason to stir up unfounded bull#### to hurt the image of the Democratic party. 

 
Walking Boot said:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/28/snopes-caught-lying-about-lack-of-american-flags-at-democratic-convention/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/17/fact-checking-snopes-websites-political-fact-checker-is-just-a-failed-liberal-blogger/
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Snopes is a blog, like WaPo's FactCheck or Breitbart or MediaMatters, don't dismiss it out of hand but also don't swallow it whole. If it makes a claim check the links, they may be right, they may be wrong, and chances are they're not telling the whole story.

 
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mcintyre1 said:
Still waiting on any evidence at all that Seth Rich was meeting with the FBI. 

Also, wiki leaks is not 'reporting on this', Assange made a reference to the existing conspiracy theories during an interview and made a PR stunt on Twitter. If Rich was the leaker and they knew,  there's zero reason for them to keep it secret after his death. That'd be the story of the decade. 

Speaking of agendas, do you think Assange doesn't have an agenda? He's been hounded by a Democratic government for years. He has every reason to stir up unfounded bull#### to hurt the image of the Democratic party. 
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Has he been exposed making unfounded accusations in the past? 

 
mcintyre1 said:
Still waiting on any evidence at all that Seth Rich was meeting with the FBI. 

Also, wiki leaks is not 'reporting on this', Assange made a reference to the existing conspiracy theories during an interview and made a PR stunt on Twitter. If Rich was the leaker and they knew,  there's zero reason for them to keep it secret after his death. That'd be the story of the decade. 
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Timing, maybe?  But yeah, great point.  If he was the source, Assange wouldn't p***yfoot around about it.  

 
massraider said:
What is Snopes' agenda?
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I don't know the owners.  But they are just a website and are prone to the same mistakes, false conclusions and agendas as everyone else.

My point is not to slam snopes, my point is that Snopes is made up of people with opinions.

SaintsInDome2006 said:
Snopes is a blog, like WaPo's FactCheck or Breitbart or MediaMatters, don't dismiss it out of hand but also don't swallow it whole. If it makes a claim check the links, they may be right, they may be wrong, and chances are they're not telling the whole story.
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Yeah, he said it better.

 
Walking Boot said:
Exactly. Just posting a link to Snopes and announcing "case closed" is insufficient.
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I'm sorry,  should I have reposted the entire article and highlighted the sources for you? Apparently I assumed too much of the Tinfoil Brigade by thinking they'd bother checking where a quote comes from. 

 
mcintyre1 said:
Still waiting on any evidence at all that Seth Rich was meeting with the FBI. 

Also, wiki leaks is not 'reporting on this', Assange made a reference to the existing conspiracy theories during an interview and made a PR stunt on Twitter. If Rich was the leaker and they knew,  there's zero reason for them to keep it secret after his death. That'd be the story of the decade. 

Speaking of agendas, do you think Assange doesn't have an agenda? He's been hounded by a Democratic government for years. He has every reason to stir up unfounded bull#### to hurt the image of the Democratic party. 
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Actually to hurt America not just the DNC.

I agree, Assange offered no evidence and it appears he just read something on Reddit or heard about something posted on it.

If anyone wants to offer a link to real information, I'm willing to read it. Meanwhile sad thing is Seth Rich's family and friends are mourning while having to read and hear accusations their loved one was a traitor and thief.

 
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Psychopav said:
Has he been exposed making unfounded accusations in the past? 
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Hard to say, there have been times where various rumors of coming leaks have cropped up and never come to fruition,  but it is hard to lay that solely at Assange's feet.

What we do know,  however,  is that many people who have tried to work with Assange have come away with negative opinions of him as a person.

His relationship with the NYT and Guardian broke apart because he wouldn't work with them on redacting info that could endanger lives. 

A documentary film maker who made films about the Catholic Church and Enron and was sympathetic to Assange balked at paying him $1 million to be interviewed. The director said 'he's become a spin doctor, more comfortable telling lies than the truth.'  An editor on the film who tried to negotiate his involvement had paid 24,000 pounds of his bail which was lost when he fled. Her opinion on him soured after trying to work with him when he demanded editorial control over the movie. 

The ghostwriter of his autobiography had this to say, after Assange backed out of the book deal: "he is thin skinned,  conspiratorial, untruthful, narcissistic, and he thinks he owns the material he conduits. It may turn out that Julian is not Daniel Ellsberg or John Wilkes,  but Charles Foster Kane,  abusive and monstrous in his pursuit of truth that interests him, and a man who, it turns out, was motivated all the while not by high principles but by deep sentimental wound. "

A 2010 New Yorker profile quotes Assange as saying that 'his mission is to expose injustice, not to provide an even-handed record of events.' To him,  'leaks were an instrument of information warfare.' 

I personally have great respect for Edward Snowden, but I think Assange is just a narcissistic piece of ####. 

 
mcintyre1 said:
Haha, no. 

One of my good college buddies actually worked with him directly at the DNC. He was just a data guy that they have many of. Tragic and random.
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This is the takeaway linked report for me:

Parents of Seth Rich saddened by murder of son


...D.C’s Metro Police said Rich was shot twice in the Northwest quadrant of the city. Rich later died in the hospital.

“If it was a robbery-it failed because he still has his watch, he still has his money-he still has his credit cards, still had his phone so it was a wasted effort except we lost a life,” said Joel Rich, Seth’s father.

Rich said Seth was talking to his girlfriend on the phone outside when the incident happened.

“Asked him if he was home yet and he said just about, and then she heard some noise, he said he had to call her back-I don't know when that conversation ended but at 4:18 two shots were fired,” said Rich. ...
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http://www.kmtv.com/news/local-news/parents-of-seth-rich-saddened-by-murder-of-son

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...The shooting happened in the 2100 block of Flagler Place NW on Sunday at 4:19 a.m., Metropolitan Police said.

Police arrived at the scene and found Conrad conscious and breathing. He was suffering from gunshot wounds. Conrad was taken to the hospital where he later died from his injuries.

"A lot of my girlfriends around here are talking about this and looking out for one another. We don't want anyone walking by themselves," neighbor Katie Ferguson said. "It's scary. I want something done and so far there is a lot of talk, but what's really being done?"

Officials said they are looking into the possibility that Rich’s murder is connected to other recent robberies in the area.

"We will see if there are common factors we can relate to our case [and] we are still exploring the other cases to look," said Acting Captain Anthony Haythe of the MPD homicide unit. 

Conrad’s roommate told WUSA9 that he was probably walking home from his girlfriend’s apartment when he was robbed and then shot....
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http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/dc/dc-man-fatally-shot-investigation-underway/269559837

- He was headed home, folks.

 
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That fact that Assange felt the need to tweet this 6-year old quote after Trump's problems yesterday and was willing to mislabel Beckel as "Clinton Strategest" makes it crystal clear that he wants to help Trump beat Clinton.

 
Hillary emails got the Iran nuclear scientist killed. Or so I'm told

The private server emails, not the DNC emails, sorry

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
That fact that Assange felt the need to tweet this 6-year old quote after Trump's problems yesterday and was willing to mislabel Beckel as "Clinton Strategest" makes it crystal clear that he wants to help Trump beat Clinton.
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Mostly because, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, he's sees her as a insanely corrupt POS.

 
It wasn't too long ago that anyone who said that prominent members of the press were actively colluding with a major political party to drive their agenda were called tin foil hat conspiracy theorists.  Have we blown that off already?  Damn Russians.

 
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