Do we trust SJax this week at Miami? (1 Viewer)

[Lionz will turn it around!]

So what do we think SJax will do week 6 at Miami? I know that Miami's "D" is a tough match-up but with the 10 day lay off and the way he looked vs Arz do we insert him back into the line-up as a RB2?

 

[need2know]

I don't have much of a choice so I say yes. he got 76 yards last game without a touch in the first qtr. it would be nice if he had a few catches and he is overdue for a td. mia is good but when healthy sjax performs versus anybody...

 

[Phlash]

I don't expect him to hit paydirt (he's been awful on TDs every year but 2006) but I would hope for about 100 total yards.

Nothing spectacular, although he's definitely looked strong in the games I've watched him.

 

[Saint]

RBBC with a tough MIA defense.... hate to say it but I don't think we can trust him moving forward. Most of his yardage was late 2nd half and IMO I don't think we can trust him. Personally, I'm benching him this week and looking elsewhere.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

A few check-downs/screens would really help his value. (I only play PPR.) I think he can only do better going forward. I agree the extra days of rest should help.

 

[steelwind]

With bye weeks and injuries most people won't have a choice but to plug him in.

 

[Furious Styles]

RBBC with a tough MIA defense.... hate to say it but I don't think we can trust him moving forward. Most of his yardage was late 2nd half and IMO I don't think we can trust him. Personally, I'm benching him this week and looking elsewhere.

RBBC?

 

[Lionz will turn it around!]

I am one that dosn't really have a choice as I just lost Benson and now it looks like Martin will be in a RBBC with Blount. The other option would be to get Bolden (NE) or Green (GB) off of waivers and place Benson on IR or I can go four WR and one RB in this league as my one RB would be McCoy.

 

[Max Power]

I like Sjax, just don't trust or understand the Rams playcalling. I'm gonna pass this week.

 

[VaTerp]

Trust him? NO.

Unfortunately I have no choice and he'll be my RB2 this week.

 

[SteelerMurf]

I like Sjax, just don't trust or understand the Rams playcalling. I'm gonna pass this week.

Agreed....nothing wrong with Sjax but the coaching staff deciding to feature the pass and work in a rookie (force in a rookie) way too much.I am sitting him this week the matchup on the road is terrible too

 

[SameSongNDance]

I'm the last of a dying breed, a SJax supporter.

The match-up stinks, but then again SJax is better than anything NYJ, ARI or CIN threw at them. Foster did manage 19.5 points against them but he's just a freak.

This isn't a RBBC, not by a long shot. I don't have last week's snap/touch count but in week 4 SJax saw 77% of snaps and 19 touches to Drich's 21% and 8 touches. The touch count in week 5 was almost identical so I'm assuming the snap count was as well. Drich usurping the throne was largely exaggerated and it was apparent it would not happen by week 3, when SJax still go the majority of carries with one leg.

My biggest problem with SJax right, aside from the #### schedule, is that he's only been targeted 8 times in the passing game this season. Part of his appeal is/was the 40-50 receptions he caught a year raising his PPR floor.

My projections this week are similar to what I figured last week, minus 1-2 receptions. 18-20/60-80/0 and 1-2 receptions for 10-20 yards. If he's your flex, you can do much worse. I would not count on him as a RB2 though, no.

EDIT: Also, now that Amendola is out, we can probably expect him to exceed 20 touches for the second time this year.

 

[zandbak]

I'm the last of a dying breed, a SJax supporter.The match-up stinks, but then again SJax is better than anything NYJ, ARI or CIN threw at them. Foster did manage 19.5 points against them but he's just a freak.This isn't a RBBC, not by a long shot. I don't have last week's snap/touch count but in week 4 SJax saw 77% of snaps and 19 touches to Drich's 21% and 8 touches. The touch count in week 5 was almost identical so I'm assuming the snap count was as well. Drich usurping the throne was largely exaggerated and it was apparent it would not happen by week 3, when SJax still go the majority of carries with one leg.My biggest problem with SJax right, aside from the #### schedule, is that he's only been targeted 8 times in the passing game this season. Part of his appeal is/was the 40-50 receptions he caught a year raising his PPR floor.My projections this week are similar to what I figured last week, minus 1-2 receptions. 18-20/60-80/0 and 1-2 receptions for 10-20 yards. If he's your flex, you can do much worse. I would not count on him as a RB2 though, no.EDIT: Also, now that Amendola is out, we can probably expect him to exceed 20 touches for the second time this year.

RB2/Flex based on bye weeks. Hope for 100 total yards with the possibility of a him getting one of his handful (~5) of yearly TDs this week.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

I wouldn't trust Jackson against an average run defense. He's going to need to get a TD and the team doesn't get many opportunities in short yardge this year or historically. Flex play in 12+ leagues.

 

[Max Power]

I'm the last of a dying breed, a SJax supporter.The match-up stinks, but then again SJax is better than anything NYJ, ARI or CIN threw at them. Foster did manage 19.5 points against them but he's just a freak.This isn't a RBBC, not by a long shot. I don't have last week's snap/touch count but in week 4 SJax saw 77% of snaps and 19 touches to Drich's 21% and 8 touches. The touch count in week 5 was almost identical so I'm assuming the snap count was as well. Drich usurping the throne was largely exaggerated and it was apparent it would not happen by week 3, when SJax still go the majority of carries with one leg.My biggest problem with SJax right, aside from the #### schedule, is that he's only been targeted 8 times in the passing game this season. Part of his appeal is/was the 40-50 receptions he caught a year raising his PPR floor.My projections this week are similar to what I figured last week, minus 1-2 receptions. 18-20/60-80/0 and 1-2 receptions for 10-20 yards. If he's your flex, you can do much worse. I would not count on him as a RB2 though, no.EDIT: Also, now that Amendola is out, we can probably expect him to exceed 20 touches for the second time this year.

My problem is that he is only getting about 12 useful touches a game. I'm a huge SJax fan and think he looked like the best player on the field last Thursday. The guy was at 70 yards after 12 carries early in the 4th. He got 6 run out the clock carries for 6 total yards. So those numbers don't really tell the whole story IMO. Richardson had 8 carries and Sjax had 12 before the Rams went into clock burn mode.and while these stats don't tell the whole story, here is Sjax's by carry breakdown. Ugly. Bottom line is that his touches look better on paper than how Fisher is actually using him.Situation G Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Carry 1-5 0 25 104 N/A 4.2 0 Carry 6-10 0 24 117 N/A 4.9 0 Carry 11-15 0 16 42 N/A 2.6 0 Carry 16-20 0 11 10 N/A 0.9 0 Carry 21-25 0 1 -2 N/A -2.0 0

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Miami defense does not give much on rush defense...Foster 75 total yards, DMC 22 rush, Jets high rusher 45 yds, AZ-26 yds rush, BJGE 9/14 on the ground...Miami is rallying around Tannehill, the team really believes in him and they ought to be 4-1 if Carpenter could have made his FGs.

I understand being forced to play SJax but expecting 100 yards is an absolute pipe dream in this Florida heat. Let me introduce you to Randy Starks and Paul Soliai, perhaps the best combo at DT in the game presently. The Dolphins btw are the #1 statistical defense on PFF right now, that's saying something.

Dansby, Burnett, and Misi are having a field day cleaning up behind the two DTs who are shedding blocks and eating up double teams making it easy for the LBs to come flying in and make plays. Miami has 123 stops or solo tackles that result in an "offensive failure" vs say the NYGiants who have 92 of those on the season and I think we would agree most teams would bet on the NYG over the Miami Dolphins to have a much better defense.

Miami's defense is real right now, fear it, respect it, but don't assume anyone is getting 100 yards on this defense. Is the Rams OL good? I looked them all up and they seem to be avg at best, lot of red boxes.

 

[zandbak]

vs Miami:

Foster: 79 on the ground, -4 in the air

McFadden: 22 on the ground, 19 in the air

Powell: 45 on the ground, 24 in the air

Williams: 26 on the ground, 0 in the air

Cincy didn't really have a leading ball carrier, but they all got stuffed

Doesn't matter for a lot of us, bye weeks push him into the starting lineup. Not a lot you can do.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Let me introduce you to Randy Starks and Paul Soliai, perhaps the best combo at DT in the game presently. The Dolphins btw are the #1 statistical defense on PFF right now

Starks is a beast and needs to be resigned - like yesterday.They better not mess that up.

 

[VaTerp]

Let me introduce you to Randy Starks and Paul Soliai, perhaps the best combo at DT in the game presently. The Dolphins btw are the #1 statistical defense on PFF right now

Starks is a beast and needs to be resigned - like yesterday.They better not mess that up.

Go Terps!

 

[Multiple Scores]

I heard in passing from a Dolphin fan that they are número UNO vs the run?

 

[Maven]

Most people with SJax dont have a better choice unless its a 10 team league. Its not a good matchup at all.

 

[jurb26]

I"m not advocating people bench SJax, but at this point do you trust him vs. anyone?

 

[SameSongNDance]

I heard in passing from a Dolphin fan that they are número UNO vs the run?

They are only allowing 2.7 YPC (1rst) and 61.4 YPG (1rst). Still, SF allows the least points to RBs per game(8.2), MIA allows the second least(9.8).Again, I know they shut down DMC, but they've also faced Greene/Powell, R.Williams and BGE. Scott was actually running well against them until suffering his millionth injury. I think SJax is a bit better than the aforementioned RBs minus DMC.

 

[dwashington]

I heard in passing from a Dolphin fan that they are número UNO vs the run?

They are only allowing 2.7 YPC (1rst) and 61.4 YPG (1rst). Still, SF allows the least points to RBs per game(8.2), MIA allows the second least(9.8).Again, I know they shut down DMC, but they've also faced Greene/Powell, R.Williams and BGE. Scott was actually running well against them until suffering his millionth injury. I think SJax is a bit better than the aforementioned RBs minus DMC.

Scott who??

 

[asuterlowe]

RBBC with a tough MIA defense.... hate to say it but I don't think we can trust him moving forward. Most of his yardage was late 2nd half and IMO I don't think we can trust him. Personally, I'm benching him this week and looking elsewhere.

He was playing hurt and still had twice as many carries as Richardson, calling this a RBBC might be premature.

 

[Saint]

RBBC with a tough MIA defense.... hate to say it but I don't think we can trust him moving forward. Most of his yardage was late 2nd half and IMO I don't think we can trust him. Personally, I'm benching him this week and looking elsewhere.

He was playing hurt and still had twice as many carries as Richardson, calling this a RBBC might be premature.

You have to look at the game logs, but up through the 3rd qrtr, it was 8 carries for drich and 11 or 12 for sjax. He didn't get the extra carries until garbage time in the 4th. It looked pretty much rbbc with the game for 75% of it.Maybe it's overly cautionary, but i'm concerned with what i saw.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I heard in passing from a Dolphin fan that they are número UNO vs the run?

They are only allowing 2.7 YPC (1rst) and 61.4 YPG (1rst). Still, SF allows the least points to RBs per game(8.2), MIA allows the second least(9.8).Again, I know they shut down DMC, but they've also faced Greene/Powell, R.Williams and BGE. Scott was actually running well against them until suffering his millionth injury. I think SJax is a bit better than the aforementioned RBs minus DMC.

Scott who??

Baio

 

[SameSongNDance]

I heard in passing from a Dolphin fan that they are número UNO vs the run?

They are only allowing 2.7 YPC (1rst) and 61.4 YPG (1rst). Still, SF allows the least points to RBs per game(8.2), MIA allows the second least(9.8).Again, I know they shut down DMC, but they've also faced Greene/Powell, R.Williams and BGE. Scott was actually running well against them until suffering his millionth injury. I think SJax is a bit better than the aforementioned RBs minus DMC.

Scott who??

Bernard Scott.B.Scott right end to MIA 43 for 29 yards (55-K.Misi).

B.Scott left guard to MIA 37 for 6 yards (56-K.Burnett).

B.Scott up the middle to MIA 35 for 2 yards (58-K.Dansby).

B.Scott right guard to MIA 4 for 6 yards (20-R.Jones; 30-C.Clemons).

B.Scott right tackle to MIA 7 for -3 yards (20-R.Jones).

 

[SameSongNDance]

RBBC with a tough MIA defense.... hate to say it but I don't think we can trust him moving forward. Most of his yardage was late 2nd half and IMO I don't think we can trust him. Personally, I'm benching him this week and looking elsewhere.

He was playing hurt and still had twice as many carries as Richardson, calling this a RBBC might be premature.

You have to look at the game logs, but up through the 3rd qrtr, it was 8 carries for drich and 11 or 12 for sjax. He didn't get the extra carries until garbage time in the 4th. It looked pretty much rbbc with the game for 75% of it.Maybe it's overly cautionary, but i'm concerned with what i saw.

I understand what you're saying and what the guy before said about the poor utilization of SJax, but when snap percentage and touch percentage are 3:1, it's not a RBBC. The stats don't lie.

 

[Saint]

RBBC with a tough MIA defense.... hate to say it but I don't think we can trust him moving forward. Most of his yardage was late 2nd half and IMO I don't think we can trust him. Personally, I'm benching him this week and looking elsewhere.

He was playing hurt and still had twice as many carries as Richardson, calling this a RBBC might be premature.

You have to look at the game logs, but up through the 3rd qrtr, it was 8 carries for drich and 11 or 12 for sjax. He didn't get the extra carries until garbage time in the 4th. It looked pretty much rbbc with the game for 75% of it.Maybe it's overly cautionary, but i'm concerned with what i saw.

I understand what you're saying and what the guy before said about the poor utilization of SJax, but when snap percentage and touch percentage are 3:1, it's not a RBBC. The stats don't lie.

By Quarter:1st Qrtr: Drich - 6 carries/pass attempts, SJax - 4 carries/pass attempts

2nd Qrtr: Drich - 1 carries/pass attempts, SJax - 6 carries/pass attempts

3rd Qrtr: Drich - 5 carries/pass attempts, SJax - 2 carries/pass attempts

4TH Qrtr: Drich - 2 carries/pass attempts, SJax - 6 carries/pass attempts

DRich 11 carries for 76 yards / 3 pass attempts

Sjax 12 carries for 52 yards / 6 pass attempts

Looks like RBBC to me. I just don't see how you can trust him moving forward.

 

[shadyridr]

Not only is it an RBBC, but it looks like DRich is that starter now

 

[ponchsox]

SJax is nothing more than a shaky flex play or bye week filler. Pretty sad considering he was an early round draft pick.

 

[VaTerp]

Not only is it an RBBC, but it looks like DRich is that starter now

Based on?

 

[shadyridr]

Not only is it an RBBC, but it looks like DRich is that starter now

Based on?

post #30

 

[SameSongNDance]

One game a season does not make. Remember when I posted what B.Scott did against MIA? A similarly speedy back. I'm betting STL watched tape and came to the same conclusion I did, that MIA can be beat on the perimeter. Regardless, SJax outscored his projections in a majority of leagues (13 points in 1PPR against a top 3 rush defense) yet now is the shaky play? I have the luxury of having him as my flex but I would not be overly worried if I was treating him as a RB2. He ran very well again last week, which I'm sure many of you noticed. He was also finally targeted a bunch in the passing game. He's trending up, not down. Next week against GB, if the touch/snap count mirrors last week as opposed to what it did through weeks 1-5, I'll eat my shoe.

He's still the lead back, let's not overreact please.

 

[ponchsox]

Is this guy even startable anymore? Doesn't score TDs on a bad offense, Richardson stealing carries, tough schedule. I'm not seeing anything to like here?

 

[need2know]

Is this guy even startable anymore? Doesn't score TDs on a bad offense, Richardson stealing carries, tough schedule. I'm not seeing anything to like here?

hes on my bench. starting felix Jones vs car over him. if the matchup was not so good, I would probably play sjax. can't figure out stl. when they get to the red zone, which is rare, they are throwing more. plus richardson is seeing some redzone Carries too. his chances of a td are so low...

 

[Furious Styles]

Tried to trade him today for Antonio Brown but couldn't get the other GM to bite. That GM also has Garçon which is why he is reluctant to make the deal. Heck, I have Richardson and even thinking about just asking for Garçon. I'm done with this bum.

 

[EBF]

One game a season does not make. Remember when I posted what B.Scott did against MIA? A similarly speedy back. I'm betting STL watched tape and came to the same conclusion I did, that MIA can be beat on the perimeter. Regardless, SJax outscored his projections in a majority of leagues (13 points in 1PPR against a top 3 rush defense) yet now is the shaky play? I have the luxury of having him as my flex but I would not be overly worried if I was treating him as a RB2. He ran very well again last week, which I'm sure many of you noticed. He was also finally targeted a bunch in the passing game. He's trending up, not down. Next week against GB, if the touch/snap count mirrors last week as opposed to what it did through weeks 1-5, I'll eat my shoe.He's still the lead back, let's not overreact please.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

 

[TheFanatic]

vs Miami:Foster: 79 on the ground, -4 in the airMcFadden: 22 on the ground, 19 in the airPowell: 45 on the ground, 24 in the airWilliams: 26 on the ground, 0 in the airCincy didn't really have a leading ball carrier, but they all got stuffedDoesn't matter for a lot of us, bye weeks push him into the starting lineup. Not a lot you can do.

Have any of those outside of Foster, done anything on the ground against anyone else? I'm not saying the Miami D is inflated, but they also get a huge boost in the early part of the season from the humidity that nobody but the Dolphins are used to. Talk to me in mid November and let's see where they rank...

 

[RBM]

After that first carry Richardson didn't look very good. Typical small back....going down easy and getting stuffed a lot. Fun to watch when he gets outside though.

Jackson, over the course of the game, looked better.

They complement each other well, but no way should the carries be split.

 

[SameSongNDance]

One game a season does not make. Remember when I posted what B.Scott did against MIA? A similarly speedy back. I'm betting STL watched tape and came to the same conclusion I did, that MIA can be beat on the perimeter. Regardless, SJax outscored his projections in a majority of leagues (13 points in 1PPR against a top 3 rush defense) yet now is the shaky play? I have the luxury of having him as my flex but I would not be overly worried if I was treating him as a RB2. He ran very well again last week, which I'm sure many of you noticed. He was also finally targeted a bunch in the passing game. He's trending up, not down. Next week against GB, if the touch/snap count mirrors last week as opposed to what it did through weeks 1-5, I'll eat my shoe.

He's still the lead back, let's not overreact please.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

I don't like Evan Silva, but we agreed one something..

Chatter has picked up again of impressive rookie Daryl Richardson making a move on Steven Jackson's starting job. After watching the Week 6 Dolphins-Rams game, I can say confidently that Richardson won't be St. Louis' starter barring S-Jax injury. While Jackson continues to run at a much higher level than his fantasy scoring suggests, Richardson is settling in as an exciting, but limited change-of-pace back. Richardson gained 88 of his 99 yards against Miami on toss sweeps and screens, which accounted for six of his 13 touches. He netted 11 yards on the other seven. Richardson brings a backfield speed element that St. Louis hasn't had in years, but I think his increased Week 6 role was part of a game plan-specific strategy to attack a top-five run defense on the edges. I'd be wary of chasing Richardson's last-week stats into Week 7, and I wonder if he possesses the physicality and inside running chops to make it as a long-term feature back. He only broke one tackle all game at Miami.

 

[yellowdog]

Steven Jackson is going off this week in an audition for the Green Bay lead role for 2013.

*I can dream.

 

[need2know]

SJAX looked pretty good last week and actually scored. WOW, that doesn't happen a lot. Anybody using him in the London game vs the pats? seems like a decent RB2 to me

 

[Furious Styles]

SJAX looked pretty good last week and actually scored. WOW, that doesn't happen a lot. Anybody using him in the London game vs the pats? seems like a decent RB2 to me

Pats are damn good against the run and horrible against the pass, debating on whether to roll with Michael Bush over SJax in a TD-heavy league. Probably will start him though since he is good for a decent amount of touches.

 

[plymkr]

My friend just said he heard something about a SJax to Denver rumor on ESPN. Anyone else hear this?

 

[RBM]

SJAX looked pretty good last week and actually scored. WOW, that doesn't happen a lot. Anybody using him in the London game vs the pats? seems like a decent RB2 to me

I'm going back and forth between him and Ballard. Ballard has the better matchup but might suck. Jackson has been running hard the last few but this game might be a recipe for a single digit carry day.Luckily my team sucks so it doesn't really matter.

 

[unckeyherb]

I can't see starting him this week.

 

[Battles]

My friend just said he heard something about a SJax to Denver rumor on ESPN. Anyone else hear this?

Was simply Pollian identifying ideal landing spots for people that could possible be traded. Also discussed Blount to Oakland. It was just a made up TV what if game.ETA- It was on NFL Live.