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Do you believe in Demonic possession? (1 Viewer)

Patrick Bateman

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I'll admit "The Exorcist" freaked me out as a kid. I watched "The Rite" last night, and it was pretty creepy. Apparently based on true events. I'm an Atheist. Just wondering what other Atheists think about this "possession" type stuff.

 
I don't believe in a supernatural man in the sky presiding over us and I don't believe in supernatural beings possessing us. Must stay consistent.

 
I don't really believe in the stuff but I am at a loss to otherwise explain what happens when JB logs in to his LHUCKS alias.

 
'Patrick Bateman said:
I'll admit "The Exorcist" freaked me out as a kid. I watched "The Rite" last night, and it was pretty creepy. Apparently based on true events. I'm an Atheist. Just wondering what other Atheists think about this "possession" type stuff.
So you don't believe in God, but you believe in demons? A tad inconsistent, I'd say.Let me help you out. There is no God. There is no devil. There are no demons.That is all.
 
'Patrick Bateman said:
I'll admit "The Exorcist" freaked me out as a kid. I watched "The Rite" last night, and it was pretty creepy. Apparently based on true events. I'm an Atheist. Just wondering what other Atheists think about this "possession" type stuff.
So you don't believe in God, but you believe in demons? A tad inconsistent, I'd say.Let me help you out. There is no God. There is no devil. There are no demons.That is all.
I don't believe in demons. I was just curious to hear other opinions.
 
only weak minded fools believe in this stu... :devil: aes dna htrae ho uoy ot ow :devil: ff silly :rolleyes:
:lmao:I believe in God, and in the supernatural.I do believe that demons exist. And they can possess people, or terrify them without actually possessing them.But I do agree that a lot of 'demon possession' claims are likely a psychological disorder. Although I don't think the 2 are necessarily mutually exclusive.And yes, I have witnessed it. If it was schizophrenia, the person affected had no prior history of mental disorder, and had none after the event I witnessed. So while I can't claim with certainty, this is the best explanation I have given my worldview (belief in supernatural beings), the person's lack of a history of disorder, and the specific things that happened and were said (it was a very religious type of outburst and episode).
 
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only weak minded fools believe in this stu... :devil: aes dna htrae ho uoy ot ow :devil: ff silly :rolleyes:
:lmao:I believe in God, and in the supernatural.I do believe that demons exist. And they can possess people, or terrify them without actually possessing them.But I do agree that a lot of 'demon possession' claims are likely a psychological disorder. Although I don't think the 2 are necessarily mutually exclusive.And yes, I have witnessed it. If it was schizophrenia, the person affected had no prior history of mental disorder, and had none after the event I witnessed. So while I can't claim with certainty, this is the best explanation I have given my worldview (belief in supernatural beings), the person's lack of a history of disorder, and the specific things that happened and were said (it was a very religious type of outburst and episode).
There is no more proof for demons than there is for God. And numerous studies have been done on these kinds of events it always comes back to natural explanation. Not once are we left thinking Satan did it.
 
I believe in the Bible, so, yes.

Seen two exorcisms personally and heard eye-witness accounts of countless others. This isn't just a Catholic thing, it is a Christian thing. US churches don't deal with it much, but if you get into Christian missions in South America and Africa you'll see it pretty regularly.

 
only weak minded fools believe in this stu... :devil: aes dna htrae ho uoy ot ow :devil: ff

silly :rolleyes:
:lmao: I believe in God, and in the supernatural.

I do believe that demons exist. And they can possess people, or terrify them without actually possessing them.

But I do agree that a lot of 'demon possession' claims are likely a psychological disorder. Although I don't think the 2 are necessarily mutually exclusive.

And yes, I have witnessed it. If it was schizophrenia, the person affected had no prior history of mental disorder, and had none after the event I witnessed. So while I can't claim with certainty, this is the best explanation I have given my worldview (belief in supernatural beings), the person's lack of a history of disorder, and the specific things that happened and were said (it was a very religious type of outburst and episode).
There is no more proof for demons than there is for God. And numerous studies have been done on these kinds of events it always comes back to natural explanation. Not once are we left thinking Satan did it.
I agree about the proof comment.This is something I have always wondered about. In regards to miracles and religious experience and all kinds of 'supernatural' phenomena. Does the presence of, say, hyper-altered brain chemistry in a 'possessed' person necessarily preclude a supernatural cause of the chemical change? If someone is 'miraculously' healed of a terminal cancer, and studies show it was a spike in some kind of cellular process or chemical or something (not sure what it would be called) does this necessarily mean that there was no supernatural person (God or something) who intervened and made a 'miracle' through a natural process?

 
I believe in the Bible, so, yes.Seen two exorcisms personally and heard eye-witness accounts of countless others. This isn't just a Catholic thing, it is a Christian thing. US churches don't deal with it much, but if you get into Christian missions in South America and Africa you'll see it pretty regularly.
Why do you think you would see it more regularly in South America and Africa?
 
'Patrick Bateman said:
Catholics please check in:
:hey: I absolutely believe in it. Scares the hell out of me. I have met some priests that were around for some. Scary stuff. I thought the Rite was a really well done movie. I thought A Hopkins should have got more accolades for his performance.
 
I believe in the Bible, so, yes.Seen two exorcisms personally and heard eye-witness accounts of countless others. This isn't just a Catholic thing, it is a Christian thing. US churches don't deal with it much, but if you get into Christian missions in South America and Africa you'll see it pretty regularly.
Why do you think you would see it more regularly in South America and Africa?
Much higher presence of demonic worship in indigenous religions.
 
When I went off to college my mother felt like she was possessed and had an exorcism done.

Come to find out it was the huge amounts of cocaine she was doing that had her cockeyed.

Unfortunately a very true story.

 
'Patrick Bateman said:
Catholics please check in:
:hey: I absolutely believe in it. Scares the hell out of me. I have met some priests that were around for some. Scary stuff. I thought the Rite was a really well done movie. I thought A Hopkins should have got more accolades for his performance.
Incredible what some people believe. Excorcisms? Bah humbug.
 
only weak minded fools believe in this stu... :devil: aes dna htrae ho uoy ot ow :devil: ff silly :rolleyes:
:lmao:I believe in God, and in the supernatural.I do believe that demons exist. And they can possess people, or terrify them without actually possessing them.But I do agree that a lot of 'demon possession' claims are likely a psychological disorder. Although I don't think the 2 are necessarily mutually exclusive.And yes, I have witnessed it. If it was schizophrenia, the person affected had no prior history of mental disorder, and had none after the event I witnessed. So while I can't claim with certainty, this is the best explanation I have given my worldview (belief in supernatural beings), the person's lack of a history of disorder, and the specific things that happened and were said (it was a very religious type of outburst and episode).
There is no more proof for demons than there is for God. And numerous studies have been done on these kinds of events it always comes back to natural explanation. Not once are we left thinking Satan did it.
Im not suggesting there are such things as demons or demonic possessions, but where is the proof in these natural explanations? Who is to say that paranoid schizophrenia isnt a demon possessing a human being? Just because a doctor decides to name it something else doesnt mean it isnt "unnatural". Is it to complicated for Satan to possess people and make others believe its a mental disorder? Again, im not suggesting there is a Satan or possessions, but most mental disorders are just ways for doctors, government, pharmacies and of course the nice people who create/distribute the meds to make a profit, and control society......but that a whole different conversation.
 
I believe in the Bible, so, yes.Seen two exorcisms personally and heard eye-witness accounts of countless others. This isn't just a Catholic thing, it is a Christian thing. US churches don't deal with it much, but if you get into Christian missions in South America and Africa you'll see it pretty regularly.
Why do you think you would see it more regularly in South America and Africa?
Less educated populaces.
 
only weak minded fools believe in this stu... :devil: aes dna htrae ho uoy ot ow :devil: ff

silly :rolleyes:
:lmao: I believe in God, and in the supernatural.

I do believe that demons exist. And they can possess people, or terrify them without actually possessing them.

But I do agree that a lot of 'demon possession' claims are likely a psychological disorder. Although I don't think the 2 are necessarily mutually exclusive.

And yes, I have witnessed it. If it was schizophrenia, the person affected had no prior history of mental disorder, and had none after the event I witnessed. So while I can't claim with certainty, this is the best explanation I have given my worldview (belief in supernatural beings), the person's lack of a history of disorder, and the specific things that happened and were said (it was a very religious type of outburst and episode).
There is no more proof for demons than there is for God. And numerous studies have been done on these kinds of events it always comes back to natural explanation. Not once are we left thinking Satan did it.
Im not suggesting there are such things as demons or demonic possessions, but where is the proof in these natural explanations? Who is to say that paranoid schizophrenia isnt a demon possessing a human being? Just because a doctor decides to name it something else doesnt mean it isnt "unnatural". Is it to complicated for Satan to possess people and make others believe its a mental disorder?

Again, im not suggesting there is a Satan or possessions, but most mental disorders are just ways for doctors, government, pharmacies and of course the nice people who create/distribute the meds to make a profit, and control society......but that a whole different conversation.
Oh come on. Is this still the 14th century? If it were magical medical science wouldn't work.

 
I believe in the Bible, so, yes.Seen two exorcisms personally and heard eye-witness accounts of countless others. This isn't just a Catholic thing, it is a Christian thing. US churches don't deal with it much, but if you get into Christian missions in South America and Africa you'll see it pretty regularly.
Why do you think you would see it more regularly in South America and Africa?
Much higher presence of demonic worship in indigenous religions.
...but a lower percentage of non-Christians overall. Doesn't that go against the Christian belief that all non-believers are equally heathen?
 
I believe in the Bible, so, yes.Seen two exorcisms personally and heard eye-witness accounts of countless others. This isn't just a Catholic thing, it is a Christian thing. US churches don't deal with it much, but if you get into Christian missions in South America and Africa you'll see it pretty regularly.
Why do you think you would see it more regularly in South America and Africa?
Much higher presence of demonic worship in indigenous religions.
...but a lower percentage of non-Christians overall. Doesn't that go against the Christian belief that all non-believers are equally heathen?
No. If you believe demons are real (I know most don't, I'm just trying to answer from a Christian perspective), and you encounter a population who has heavily worshiped them and invited them into their midst, of course the prevalence of demons would be higher. Secular humanism, which is non-Christian, is not a demon-worshiping worldview, which is the prevalent non-Christian belief system in the West.
 
'Patrick Bateman said:
Catholics please check in:
:hey: I absolutely believe in it. Scares the hell out of me. I have met some priests that were around for some. Scary stuff. I thought the Rite was a really well done movie. I thought A Hopkins should have got more accolades for his performance.
You and your stigmata buddy could sell them Amway! If that doesn't turn 'em...
 
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I believe in the Bible, so, yes.Seen two exorcisms personally and heard eye-witness accounts of countless others. This isn't just a Catholic thing, it is a Christian thing. US churches don't deal with it much, but if you get into Christian missions in South America and Africa you'll see it pretty regularly.
Why do you think you would see it more regularly in South America and Africa?
Much higher presence of demonic worship in indigenous religions.
...but a lower percentage of non-Christians overall. Doesn't that go against the Christian belief that all non-believers are equally heathen?
No. If you believe demons are real (I know most don't, I'm just trying to answer from a Christian perspective), and you encounter a population who has heavily worshiped them and invited them into their midst, of course the prevalence of demons would be higher. Secular humanism, which is non-Christian, is not a demon-worshiping worldview, which is the prevalent non-Christian belief system in the West.
Right because the less literate you are the more right magic thinking looks. So since magic thinking exists in that uneducated world things are ascribed to magic that aren't. Much like the belief that if you have sex with a virgin you will cure your AIDS. Lots of rapes over that little bit of magical African thinking.
 
Based on what I've seen in several well respected movies, I do think that demon-possession is possible. I think it's pretty rare, however. Just because a few demons like to go around possessing people doesn't mean they all do.

 
I believe in the Bible, so, yes.Seen two exorcisms personally and heard eye-witness accounts of countless others. This isn't just a Catholic thing, it is a Christian thing. US churches don't deal with it much, but if you get into Christian missions in South America and Africa you'll see it pretty regularly.
Why do you think you would see it more regularly in South America and Africa?
Much higher presence of demonic worship in indigenous religions.
...but a lower percentage of non-Christians overall. Doesn't that go against the Christian belief that all non-believers are equally heathen?
No. If you believe demons are real (I know most don't, I'm just trying to answer from a Christian perspective), and you encounter a population who has heavily worshiped them and invited them into their midst, of course the prevalence of demons would be higher. Secular humanism, which is non-Christian, is not a demon-worshiping worldview, which is the prevalent non-Christian belief system in the West.
Right because the less literate you are the more right magic thinking looks. So since magic thinking exists in that uneducated world things are ascribed to magic that aren't. Much like the belief that if you have sex with a virgin you will cure your AIDS. Lots of rapes over that little bit of magical African thinking.
Sure, that too. Not mutually exclusive.
 
only weak minded fools believe in this stu... :devil: aes dna htrae ho uoy ot ow :devil: ff

silly :rolleyes:
:lmao: I believe in God, and in the supernatural.

I do believe that demons exist. And they can possess people, or terrify them without actually possessing them.

But I do agree that a lot of 'demon possession' claims are likely a psychological disorder. Although I don't think the 2 are necessarily mutually exclusive.

And yes, I have witnessed it. If it was schizophrenia, the person affected had no prior history of mental disorder, and had none after the event I witnessed. So while I can't claim with certainty, this is the best explanation I have given my worldview (belief in supernatural beings), the person's lack of a history of disorder, and the specific things that happened and were said (it was a very religious type of outburst and episode).
There is no more proof for demons than there is for God. And numerous studies have been done on these kinds of events it always comes back to natural explanation. Not once are we left thinking Satan did it.
Im not suggesting there are such things as demons or demonic possessions, but where is the proof in these natural explanations? Who is to say that paranoid schizophrenia isnt a demon possessing a human being? Just because a doctor decides to name it something else doesnt mean it isnt "unnatural". Is it to complicated for Satan to possess people and make others believe its a mental disorder?

Again, im not suggesting there is a Satan or possessions, but most mental disorders are just ways for doctors, government, pharmacies and of course the nice people who create/distribute the meds to make a profit, and control society......but that a whole different conversation.
Oh come on. Is this still the 14th century? If it were magical medical science wouldn't work.
I didnt say it was magical, the medicine "works", i just question what some of it "works" for. Im not refering to paranoid schizophrenia specifically, some meds are useful. As a whole though, people today, especially in this country, are entirely over-medicated(especially children).
 
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I didnt say it was magical, the medice "works", i just question what some of it "works" for. Im not refering to paranoid schizophrenia specifically, some meds are useful. As a whole though, people today, especially in this country, are entirely over-medicated(especially children).
These are two different discussions. Now if we want to talk over medicated kids I'm in. I agree totally. AD/HD is heavily over diagnosed by people not following even the basic guidelines due to profit motive. With you 100%. But that has nothing to do with demons or their potential existence as a medical malady.
 
I believe in the Bible, so, yes.Seen two exorcisms personally and heard eye-witness accounts of countless others. This isn't just a Catholic thing, it is a Christian thing. US churches don't deal with it much, but if you get into Christian missions in South America and Africa you'll see it pretty regularly.
Why do demons hate America?
 
I didnt say it was magical, the medice "works", i just question what some of it "works" for. Im not refering to paranoid schizophrenia specifically, some meds are useful. As a whole though, people today, especially in this country, are entirely over-medicated(especially children).
These are two different discussions. Now if we want to talk over medicated kids I'm in. I agree totally. AD/HD is heavily over diagnosed by people not following even the basic guidelines due to profit motive. With you 100%. But that has nothing to do with demons or their potential existence as a medical malady.
No doubt im skewing from the original point. I was just trying to make a point that how do we really know what is truly a mental issue?
 

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