Do you think Marino's records meant more to him? (1 Viewer)

[yesitsme]

I have always respected and admired Dan Marino's ability to throw the ball. The quick drop back and release with the ball on the money. I've always felt he was a strong leader and an extremely competitive guy.

Since his retirement, I've always listened to the many things he's had to say. Whether it was the passing TD's in a single season, the overall TD's in a career.....whatever he's always seemed to take great pride in those records. I say this because many other players in history such as Brett Farve or a Peyton Manning as they won them really let those things roll down their back and could seem to care less or certainly it appears less important.

I noticed it more when Manning was gunning for his single season TD record, he really wanted to keep that. I think losing that paved the way and was a realization for him that some of these great younger QB's were going to break his overall records and he seemed genuinely happy that Farve broke his record IF someone was going to break it.

But as I think about it, I just have to wonder if those are his SB Rings. He never won a Super Bowl and he knows that when talking about quarterback greats, the topic of "How Many Rings did he have" ALWAYS comes into play.

However, for Marino he was always the 1 guy where you could sneak in his name knowing that he had zero, because he had all these passing records so he must be talked about because of it. So, in the not so distant future, Marino isn't going to own any of the real major passing records and as we know he doesn't have any rings......in a way HIS key into the topic of conversation of Greatest QB is being taken away.

He can't say no other qb has thrown more Td's in a season, someone else has and that person has a Ring. He can't say no other QB has thrown more TD's in a career, because someone else has, and that person has multiple rings.

So, do you think Marino's records meant more to him than some of the other Qb's?

 

[spitkickers]

Whenever they bring up someone breaking a record of his on Inside the NFL on HBO it seems to get very uncomfortable in the room. He seems very uneasy with anyone breaking any of his records and isn't very good at hiding it. Just the feeling I get while watching him try to dance around the subject. He will often give underhanded or double edged compliments like "the kid's great but he's got a lot of learning to do, good for him, he's going to be great someday." I think Dan is an egomaniac and the more I watch him commentate the less I like him.

 

[spitkickers]

egomaniac? is that even a word?

 

[moondawg]

I thinkhe thought many of his records would stand for decades. It must be hard for him to see them fall this soon but he does seem to be a bit of a poor sport about it.

 

[SteveInChicago]

I thinkhe thought many of his records would stand for decades. It must be hard for him to see them fall this soon but he does seem to be a bit of a poor sport about it.

What team has those ex-players that drinks champagne every year when the last undefeated team loses?What team did Dan Marino play for?

 

[spurs44]

I have always respected and admired Dan Marino's ability to throw the ball. The quick drop back and release with the ball on the money. I've always felt he was a strong leader and an extremely competitive guy.Since his retirement, I've always listened to the many things he's had to say. Whether it was the passing TD's in a single season, the overall TD's in a career.....whatever he's always seemed to take great pride in those records. I say this because many other players in history such as Brett Farve or a Peyton Manning as they won them really let those things roll down their back and could seem to care less or certainly it appears less important.I noticed it more when Manning was gunning for his single season TD record, he really wanted to keep that. I think losing that paved the way and was a realization for him that some of these great younger QB's were going to break his overall records and he seemed genuinely happy that Farve broke his record IF someone was going to break it.But as I think about it, I just have to wonder if those are his SB Rings. He never won a Super Bowl and he knows that when talking about quarterback greats, the topic of "How Many Rings did he have" ALWAYS comes into play. However, for Marino he was always the 1 guy where you could sneak in his name knowing that he had zero, because he had all these passing records so he must be talked about because of it. So, in the not so distant future, Marino isn't going to own any of the real major passing records and as we know he doesn't have any rings......in a way HIS key into the topic of conversation of Greatest QB is being taken away.He can't say no other qb has thrown more Td's in a season, someone else has and that person has a Ring. He can't say no other QB has thrown more TD's in a career, because someone else has, and that person has multiple rings.So, do you think Marino's records meant more to him than some of the other Qb's?

I think you guys need to get a life, that's what I think. You really are looking way too much into this. Try getting a hobbie or something. You presumtions are rediculous. Dan Marino is a class athelete. He has done alot for his community and for you to bash him this way and to assume to know what he is thinking is stupid and gutless on your part.

 

[JBTV]

If he was nonchalant about it, you guys would be ripping him for that. He's obviously crazy competitive, as most elite athletes are, and took great pride in the records. What's the problem with that?

 

[redman]

I think Dan is an egomaniac and the more I watch him commentate the less I like him.

Spot on. Worse, he's not that smart so even setting ego aside, I find he has little to offer anyway aside from his name. And yes, "egomaniac" is a word.

 

[redman]

If he was nonchalant about it, you guys would be ripping him for that. He's obviously crazy competitive, as most elite athletes are, and took great pride in the records. What's the problem with that?

I can't think of another QB of his caliber who is even close to being as insecure as he is about his career and his records. None. Not Montana, Elway, Favre, Young (who's probably the closest), Aikman, Moon, Staubach, Bradshaw, etc. It's actually kind of pathetic.

 

[redman]

BTW, I don't agree that Super Bowls mean less to Dan than the records. He'd love to say that he's a Super Bowl winning QB, and it probably kills him that Elway can say that. It has nothing IMHO to do with him being a team player, however, and everything to do with him wanting to have that on his resume. I think he's defensive about his records so much because that's all he has, and he's painfully aware of that fact.

 

[Skeets]

I think you guys need to get a life, that's what I think. You really are looking way too much into this. Try getting a hobbie or something. You presumtions are rediculous. Dan Marino is a class athelete. He has done alot for his community and for you to bash him this way and to assume to know what he is thinking is stupid and gutless on your part.

I think that's a legitimate question. I agree with the above poster to a point.However, I don't think down of Marino if he does. He was a super-competitive athlete. And I agree he is a class act. It is obvious that he wanted to win a Super Bowl in the worst way, and never did. Imagine how frustrating that must still seem to him. But it wasn't a reflection on him that he never did. It was a reflection on the team he was playing for that they never addressed defensive deficiencies. Today, way too much emphasis and glory are placed on a Super Bowl winning QB. So, to me, it's understandable why Marino would want to keep and protect his records. I'd probably do the same. I mean, people who saw him play at his best, and truly know football, would probably agree that Marino was the best QB of all-time. Bret Favre is classy enough to say it. However, many fans and reporters diminish his accomplishments because he didn't win the Big Game.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

Sorry to hi-jack this thread a bit, but I have to admit that, as a Pittsburgher, the subject of Dan Marino is a bittersweet one for me. I only wish the Rooneys had decided to draft him way back in 1983. Not only would he likely be considered the greatest QB ever with no debate whatsoever, but the Steelers might be in an uninterrupted 35 year dynasty cycle with 10 or more Superbowl titles. Seriously.

 

[menobrown]

I just think the feels his legacy is slipping away. As time elapses I think the grading of a player tends to start being exlusively about stats and championships. Since Dan has no championships stats are his defining measuring stick and he's only going to continue to fall. Dan used to be brought up in best ever talks and I always felt it was merited but I'm starting to see that less and less. In 5 years from now he will probably be no better than third in most career stats which is still great but the one big reason people looked past Marino not winning a SB and included him in best ever talks was due to him piling up numbers never before done. When that happens history might start to remember him less as one of the possible best evers and more on a plane with a guy like Dan Fouts.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

Sorry to hi-jack this thread a bit, but I have to admit that, as a Pittsburgher, the subject of Dan Marino is a bittersweet one for me. I only wish the Rooneys had decided to draft him way back in 1983. Not only would he likely be considered the greatest QB ever with no debate whatsoever, but the Steelers might be in an uninterrupted 35 year dynasty cycle with 10 or more Superbowl titles. Seriously.

Yeah, and I'm real glad the Jets took Ken O'Brien .....But as far as Marino is concerned with records and S.B. Wins

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Some of the hatred and criticism of Dan Marino on this thread is revolting.

In addition to his spectacular play on the field, he is extremely charitable with his time and his money off of the field. Also, please take into consideration that when he was playing there were very different rules about what the defensive backs could do to WRs. The "bump and run" was prevalent in the NFL, and it was a whole lot tougher for a WR to get open. Not taking one bit away from Manning beating his record, but Manning played in a different era with different rules. Manning also had an all-pro RB, which Dan never had anything close to.

Before you go bashing this guy personally, please take a look at this info copied from Wikipedia:

"Dan Marino Foundation

The Dan Marino Foundation, was established in 1992 by Marino and his wife, Claire, after their son, Michael, was diagnosed with autism.[5] The foundation has distributed over $7 million to research, services and treatment programs serving children with neurodevelopment disabilities. The Dan Marino Center, which opened in 1995 along with the Miami Children's Hospital, is an integrated neurodevelopmental center specializing in the diagnosis and treatment of children at risk for developmental and psychological problems. The center saw more than 48,000 children last year alone.

Marino has teamed with other celebrities to raise awareness about autistic spectrum disorders, including fellow NFL great Doug Flutie, whose son also has an autism diagnosis.

On November 7, 2005, the National Basketball Association's Miami Heat honored Marino's charitable works and recognized his service to South Florida with a halftime tribute, including a large donation to the Marino Foundation. Though a Heat jersey with his name and #13 was unveiled, this did not constitute retirement of his number by the Heat.[5]"

Sounds like a pretty good, selfless guy to me. The picture that some people are painting of him in this thread is not only inaccurate, it is irresponsible.

By the way - give Dan Marino an all-pro RB and a decent defense in his prime, and he has several rings. Maybe his passing numbers would go down slightly, but he would have his rings. He deserves to be in every conversation about the best QB of all time. You may ultimately decide that another guy deserves the title, but without one iota of doubt, Dan belings in the conversation. To say otherwise is pure ignorance.

 

[redman]

Some of the hatred and criticism of Dan Marino on this thread is revolting.In addition to his spectacular play on the field, he is extremely charitable with his time and his money off of the field. Also, please take into consideration that when he was playing there were very different rules about what the defensive backs could do to WRs. The "bump and run" was prevalent in the NFL, and it was a whole lot tougher for a WR to get open. Not taking one bit away from Manning beating his record, but Manning played in a different era with different rules. Manning also had an all-pro RB, which Dan never had anything close to. Before you go bashing this guy personally, please take a look at this info copied from Wikipedia:"Dan Marino FoundationThe Dan Marino Foundation, was established in 1992 by Marino and his wife, Claire, after their son, Michael, was diagnosed with autism.[5] The foundation has distributed over $7 million to research, services and treatment programs serving children with neurodevelopment disabilities. The Dan Marino Center, which opened in 1995 along with the Miami Children's Hospital, is an integrated neurodevelopmental center specializing in the diagnosis and treatment of children at risk for developmental and psychological problems. The center saw more than 48,000 children last year alone.Marino has teamed with other celebrities to raise awareness about autistic spectrum disorders, including fellow NFL great Doug Flutie, whose son also has an autism diagnosis.On November 7, 2005, the National Basketball Association's Miami Heat honored Marino's charitable works and recognized his service to South Florida with a halftime tribute, including a large donation to the Marino Foundation. Though a Heat jersey with his name and #13 was unveiled, this did not constitute retirement of his number by the Heat.[5]"Sounds like a pretty good, selfless guy to me. The picture that some people are painting of him in this thread is not only inaccurate, it is irresponsible.By the way - give Dan Marino an all-pro RB and a decent defense in his prime, and he has several rings. Maybe his passing numbers would go down slightly, but he would have his rings. He deserves to be in every conversation about the best QB of all time. You may ultimately decide that another guy deserves the title, but without one iota of doubt, Dan belings in the conversation. To say otherwise is pure ignorance.

It's wonderful that he gives to charity (though without doubt I'd figure that every parent of an autistic child would wish they had the financial means to set up a charitable foundation to combat their child's condition). Regardless, we're talking about his on-screen persona (which you didn't address), and it's beyond dispute that he comes across as amazingly insecure about his records in that setting.

 

[Riffraff]

I just think the feels his legacy is slipping away. As time elapses I think the grading of a player tends to start being exlusively about stats and championships. Since Dan has no championships stats are his defining measuring stick and he's only going to continue to fall. Dan used to be brought up in best ever talks and I always felt it was merited but I'm starting to see that less and less. In 5 years from now he will probably be no better than third in most career stats which is still great but the one big reason people looked past Marino not winning a SB and included him in best ever talks was due to him piling up numbers never before done. When that happens history might start to remember him less as one of the possible best evers and more on a plane with a guy like Dan Fouts.

I'll agree with this.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Some of the hatred and criticism of Dan Marino on this thread is revolting.In addition to his spectacular play on the field, he is extremely charitable with his time and his money off of the field. Also, please take into consideration that when he was playing there were very different rules about what the defensive backs could do to WRs. The "bump and run" was prevalent in the NFL, and it was a whole lot tougher for a WR to get open. Not taking one bit away from Manning beating his record, but Manning played in a different era with different rules. Manning also had an all-pro RB, which Dan never had anything close to. Before you go bashing this guy personally, please take a look at this info copied from Wikipedia:"Dan Marino FoundationThe Dan Marino Foundation, was established in 1992 by Marino and his wife, Claire, after their son, Michael, was diagnosed with autism.[5] The foundation has distributed over $7 million to research, services and treatment programs serving children with neurodevelopment disabilities. The Dan Marino Center, which opened in 1995 along with the Miami Children's Hospital, is an integrated neurodevelopmental center specializing in the diagnosis and treatment of children at risk for developmental and psychological problems. The center saw more than 48,000 children last year alone.Marino has teamed with other celebrities to raise awareness about autistic spectrum disorders, including fellow NFL great Doug Flutie, whose son also has an autism diagnosis.On November 7, 2005, the National Basketball Association's Miami Heat honored Marino's charitable works and recognized his service to South Florida with a halftime tribute, including a large donation to the Marino Foundation. Though a Heat jersey with his name and #13 was unveiled, this did not constitute retirement of his number by the Heat.[5]"Sounds like a pretty good, selfless guy to me. The picture that some people are painting of him in this thread is not only inaccurate, it is irresponsible.By the way - give Dan Marino an all-pro RB and a decent defense in his prime, and he has several rings. Maybe his passing numbers would go down slightly, but he would have his rings. He deserves to be in every conversation about the best QB of all time. You may ultimately decide that another guy deserves the title, but without one iota of doubt, Dan belings in the conversation. To say otherwise is pure ignorance.

It's wonderful that he gives to charity (though without doubt I'd figure that every parent of an autistic child would wish they had the financial means to set up a charitable foundation to combat their child's condition). Regardless, we're talking about his on-screen persona (which you didn't address), and it's beyond dispute that he comes across as amazingly insecure about his records in that setting.

You are not at all incorrect in your statement. I do not watch his show often enough to comment on his on-screen persona, but I have been a Marino fan for his entire career mostly for his accomplishments on the field, but also for what he does off of it. As other posters have alluded to, he is a fiercely competive person and I am sure it does eat at him when his records are broken. When I used to play video games in an arcade as a kid, it bothered me when other kids got their initials over mine on the machine. Is that not human nature? It that justification to criticize one of the NFL's greatest competitors of all time, as well as a person who dedicates so much time to charitable causes for the general good? To intimate that what he does for autism is just for his son is ludicrous. While that may be the factor that caused him to put his charitable energy in that direction, the fact is that what he is doing is unlikely to help his son, but more likely to help other's with his son's ailment in the future. You seem to have a vendetta against him, and in addition to his accomplishments as a player you seem to even want to dismiss his charitable bahavior as irrelevant. I dont get it. Not an Ace Ventura fan?

 

[Limp Ditka]

I thinkhe thought many of his records would stand for decades. It must be hard for him to see them fall this soon but he does seem to be a bit of a poor sport about it.

What team has those ex-players that drinks champagne every year when the last undefeated team loses?What team did Dan Marino play for?

Are you trying to tell me that Dan Marino QB's the '72 Dolphins?

 

[Skeets]

[i have been a Marino fan for his entire career mostly for his accomplishments on the field, but also for what he does off of it. As other posters have alluded to, he is a fiercely competive person and I am sure it does eat at him when his records are broken. When I used to play video games in an arcade as a kid, it bothered me when other kids got their initials over mine on the machine. Is that not human nature? It that justification to criticize one of the NFL's greatest competitors of all time, as well as a person who dedicates so much time to charitable causes for the general good? To intimate that what he does for autism is just for his son is ludicrous. While that may be the factor that caused him to put his charitable energy in that direction, the fact is that what he is doing is unlikely to help his son, but more likely to help other's with his son's ailment in the future. You seem to have a vendetta against him, and in addition to his accomplishments as a player you seem to even want to dismiss his charitable bahavior as irrelevant. I dont get it.

Great post To those of us who watched him play, his accomplishments spoke for themselves. He was truly the best.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

I thinkhe thought many of his records would stand for decades. It must be hard for him to see them fall this soon but he does seem to be a bit of a poor sport about it.

What team has those ex-players that drinks champagne every year when the last undefeated team loses?What team did Dan Marino play for?

Are you trying to tell me that Dan Marino QB's the '72 Dolphins?

Marino to Warfield was a weekly event.

 

[gocolts]

Some of the hatred and criticism of Dan Marino on this thread is revolting......but Manning played in a different era with different rules. Manning also had an all-pro RB, which Dan never had anything close to. By the way - give Dan Marino an all-pro RB and a decent defense in his prime, and he has several rings. Maybe his passing numbers would go down slightly, but he would have his rings. He deserves to be in every conversation about the best QB of all time. You may ultimately decide that another guy deserves the title, but without one iota of doubt, Dan belings in the conversation. To say otherwise is pure ignorance.

I am so sick of hearing about how poor Dan Marino never had a good RB, and if he did, he would have multiple rings. Paleeeeezz.So nobody is supposed to criticize Marino in any way, because YOU find it revolting. The fact of the matter is he didn't get it done. He even got to the Super Bowl, and still didn't get it done. Dan Fouts was a better QB than Dan Marino, IMO. He didn't win a Super Bowl either but he was better than Dan Marino. Marino may have gotten a Super Bowl if he would have signed with the Vikings that year Jimmy Johnson ran him out of town, for good reason I might add. Marino throwing to Carter and Moss would have been very entertaining and they could have won it all that year. Dan Marino had what every expert says you need to win a Super Bowl and still couldn't. What is that you ask??? Answer: great defense.It made me sick watching all my favorite QB's records get broke by Marino. When he tore up all of Fouts' records. Well know I am a colt fan and have been since they moved to my state. It gives me great pleasure watching all of Marino's records falling to Manning and even Farve. You can say I have come full circle. Watching my favorite QB at the time(Fouts) lose all his single season records to Marino. Know I get to watch my current favorite QB(Manning) taking out some of Marino's records. It's great. And Marino is obviously very upset to see this happening to his once thought of records would never be broken. I liked Elway too and to see him distance himself from Marino by winning 2 back to back Super Bowls was awesome.And those mindless ex-dolphins cracking open champagne every year make me sick. I hope somebody.......anybody......can takes that perfect season right out from under them would be a very joyful occasion for many fans of the NFL. In short, Dan Marino isn't even in the discussion anymore when it comes to the greatest QBs to ever play the game and will soon become Mr. Irrelavant.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

For better or worse, records always get broken but nobody can take away a Super Bowl. If Favre hadn't won one, it would have been noted in every press clipping for the past five years. Can he finally do it? Did he miss his chance?

Even though Marino is 10,000 X better as a QB, I'll bet Trent Dilfer is more satisfied with his career. He was ridiculed and mocked as a Buccaneer, but went on to win a Super Bowl. He was then cut by the Ravens, but managed to stay in the league and won a lot of games. He's still playing when a lot of guys would have packed it in. He even starts this weekend; he's still one of the top professional football players on the planet. There are only so many NFL spots available, and he has one.

Trent had no expectations after his stint with the Bucs. Marino was ordained "one of the best" in his second year. Imagine all those years with all that pressure. I don't think it was very much fun. The records show how great he was...but it was always missing something. Even Jim Kelly has to know that he isn't one of the best QBs ever. It has to hurt to lose four SBs, but they accomplished what they did as a team and lost as a team. Marino was left to carry the team by himself. Give him a defense or a running game, and I think you'd see multiple rings for him.

But that's not how it worked out, and his career isn't really as satisfying as a result. I think Marino's records (as they fall) remind him that he doesn't have the one thing that can't be taken away.

 

[Franchise Playa]

Some of the hatred and criticism of Dan Marino on this thread is revolting......but Manning played in a different era with different rules. Manning also had an all-pro RB, which Dan never had anything close to. By the way - give Dan Marino an all-pro RB and a decent defense in his prime, and he has several rings. Maybe his passing numbers would go down slightly, but he would have his rings. He deserves to be in every conversation about the best QB of all time. You may ultimately decide that another guy deserves the title, but without one iota of doubt, Dan belings in the conversation. To say otherwise is pure ignorance.

I am so sick of hearing about how poor Dan Marino never had a good RB, and if he did, he would have multiple rings. Paleeeeezz.So nobody is supposed to criticize Marino in any way, because YOU find it revolting. The fact of the matter is he didn't get it done. He even got to the Super Bowl, and still didn't get it done. Dan Fouts was a better QB than Dan Marino, IMO. He didn't win a Super Bowl either but he was better than Dan Marino. Marino may have gotten a Super Bowl if he would have signed with the Vikings that year Jimmy Johnson ran him out of town, for good reason I might add. Marino throwing to Carter and Moss would have been very entertaining and they could have won it all that year. Dan Marino had what every expert says you need to win a Super Bowl and still couldn't. What is that you ask??? Answer: great defense.It made me sick watching all my favorite QB's records get broke by Marino. When he tore up all of Fouts' records. Well know I am a colt fan and have been since they moved to my state. It gives me great pleasure watching all of Marino's records falling to Manning and even Farve. You can say I have come full circle. Watching my favorite QB at the time(Fouts) lose all his single season records to Marino. Know I get to watch my current favorite QB(Manning) taking out some of Marino's records. It's great. And Marino is obviously very upset to see this happening to his once thought of records would never be broken. I liked Elway too and to see him distance himself from Marino by winning 2 back to back Super Bowls was awesome.And those mindless ex-dolphins cracking open champagne every year make me sick. I hope somebody.......anybody......can takes that perfect season right out from under them would be a very joyful occasion for many fans of the NFL. In short, Dan Marino isn't even in the discussion anymore when it comes to the greatest QBs to ever play the game and will soon become Mr. Irrelavant.

Anger management class is in room 415...now repeat after me...."Im so pretty...oh so pretty"

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Some of the hatred and criticism of Dan Marino on this thread is revolting.

.....but Manning played in a different era with different rules. Manning also had an all-pro RB, which Dan never had anything close to.

By the way - give Dan Marino an all-pro RB and a decent defense in his prime, and he has several rings. Maybe his passing numbers would go down slightly, but he would have his rings. He deserves to be in every conversation about the best QB of all time. You may ultimately decide that another guy deserves the title, but without one iota of doubt, Dan belings in the conversation. To say otherwise is pure ignorance.

I am so sick of hearing about how poor Dan Marino never had a good RB, and if he did, he would have multiple rings. Paleeeeezz.So nobody is supposed to criticize Marino in any way, because YOU find it revolting.

The fact of the matter is he didn't get it done. He even got to the Super Bowl, and still didn't get it done. Dan Fouts was a better QB than Dan Marino, IMO. He didn't win a Super Bowl either but he was better than Dan Marino. Marino may have gotten a Super Bowl if he would have signed with the Vikings that year Jimmy Johnson ran him out of town, for good reason I might add. Marino throwing to Carter and Moss would have been very entertaining and they could have won it all that year. Dan Marino had what every expert says you need to win a Super Bowl and still couldn't. What is that you ask??? Answer: great defense.

It made me sick watching all my favorite QB's records get broke by Marino. When he tore up all of Fouts' records. Well know I am a colt fan and have been since they moved to my state. It gives me great pleasure watching all of Marino's records falling to Manning and even Farve. You can say I have come full circle. Watching my favorite QB at the time(Fouts) lose all his single season records to Marino. Know I get to watch my current favorite QB(Manning) taking out some of Marino's records. It's great. And Marino is obviously very upset to see this happening to his once thought of records would never be broken. I liked Elway too and to see him distance himself from Marino by winning 2 back to back Super Bowls was awesome.

And those mindless ex-dolphins cracking open champagne every year make me sick. I hope somebody.......anybody......can takes that perfect season right out from under them would be a very joyful occasion for many fans of the NFL.

In short, Dan Marino isn't even in the discussion anymore when it comes to the greatest QBs to ever play the game and will soon become Mr. Irrelavant.

I would take exception to your overly-angry and shockingly bitter post, but based on the highlited comment it is clear that bantering with you is a waste of time. He never even had a good defense until he was well past his prime - nonetheless a great one.

 

[RC94]

Some of the hatred and criticism of Dan Marino on this thread is revolting......but Manning played in a different era with different rules. Manning also had an all-pro RB, which Dan never had anything close to. By the way - give Dan Marino an all-pro RB and a decent defense in his prime, and he has several rings. Maybe his passing numbers would go down slightly, but he would have his rings. He deserves to be in every conversation about the best QB of all time. You may ultimately decide that another guy deserves the title, but without one iota of doubt, Dan belings in the conversation. To say otherwise is pure ignorance.

I am so sick of hearing about how poor Dan Marino never had a good RB, and if he did, he would have multiple rings. Paleeeeezz.So nobody is supposed to criticize Marino in any way, because YOU find it revolting. The fact of the matter is he didn't get it done. He even got to the Super Bowl, and still didn't get it done. Dan Fouts was a better QB than Dan Marino, IMO. He didn't win a Super Bowl either but he was better than Dan Marino. Marino may have gotten a Super Bowl if he would have signed with the Vikings that year Jimmy Johnson ran him out of town, for good reason I might add. Marino throwing to Carter and Moss would have been very entertaining and they could have won it all that year. Dan Marino had what every expert says you need to win a Super Bowl and still couldn't. What is that you ask??? Answer: great defense.It made me sick watching all my favorite QB's records get broke by Marino. When he tore up all of Fouts' records. Well know I am a colt fan and have been since they moved to my state. It gives me great pleasure watching all of Marino's records falling to Manning and even Farve. You can say I have come full circle. Watching my favorite QB at the time(Fouts) lose all his single season records to Marino. Know I get to watch my current favorite QB(Manning) taking out some of Marino's records. It's great. And Marino is obviously very upset to see this happening to his once thought of records would never be broken. I liked Elway too and to see him distance himself from Marino by winning 2 back to back Super Bowls was awesome.And those mindless ex-dolphins cracking open champagne every year make me sick. I hope somebody.......anybody......can takes that perfect season right out from under them would be a very joyful occasion for many fans of the NFL. In short, Dan Marino isn't even in the discussion anymore when it comes to the greatest QBs to ever play the game and will soon become Mr. Irrelavant.

Anger management class is in room 415...now repeat after me...."Im so pretty...oh so pretty"

 

[Lord of the Rings]

Anybody who watched Marino play the game should be honest: he was a great quarterback. Probably top 5-10 as a pure passer. If you never saw him play, then I'm not sure you have a dog in this fight. I never saw Unitas play, those who did said he was a great quarterback. I'll take their word for it, so I don't have a problem putting him in the top quarterback category.

I don't care who you are, if you work hard at your job and you're successful at what you do then you'll have a sense of pride in your accomplishments. That makes it painful to watch someone else come after you and undo what you've done. I have no problem with Marino appearing to be uncomfortable watching his records fall. I wouldn't expect anything less and would be disappointed if he wasn't upset. Just I like I would be if Manning or Favre react nonchalantly in several years when their records fall.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

To put it in perspective, here is a list of all of his records. The last one there may explain the earlier Colts' fan's frustration with Dan...

NFL records set by Dan Marino

(Note: This list documents records set by Dan Marino. Some of the records have since been broken.)

Most Attempts, Career: 8,358 (since broken by Brett Favre (8,393) in 2007)

Most Completions, Career: 4,967 (since broken by Brett Favre (5021) in 2006)

Most Yards Passing, Career: 61,361

Most Touchdown Passes, Career: 420 (since broken by Brett Favre (422) in 2007)

Most Passing Yards, Season: 5,084 in 1984

Most Touchdown Passes, Season: 48 (since broken by Peyton Manning (49) in 2004)

Most Games, 400 or more Yards Passing, Career: 13

Most Games, 400 or more Yards Passing, Season: 4 in 1984

Most Games, 300 or more Yards Passing, Career: 63

Most Seasons, 3,000 or more Yards Passing: 13 (1984-92, 1994-95, 1997-98) (since broken by Brett Favre 15)

Most Consecutive Seasons, 3,000 or more Yards Passing: 9 (1984-92) (since broken by Brett Favre 15)

Most Games, Four or more Touchdown Passes, Career: 21

Most Games, Four or more Touchdown Passes, Season: 6 in 1984

Lowest Percentage, Passes Intercepted, Rookie Season: 2.03 in 1983 (296-6)

Most Seasons Leading League, Attempts: 5 (1984, 1986, 1988, 1992, 1997)

Most Seasons Leading League, Completions: 6 (1984-86, 1988, 1992, 1997)

Most Seasons, 40 or more Touchdown Passes: 2 (1984, 1986)

100 TD Passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: 44 (9/7/86 at San Diego)

200 TD passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: 89 (9/17/89 at New England)

300 TD passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: 157 (9/4/94 vs. New England)

Highest TD-INT differential: +168

[edit] NFL records tied

Most Seasons Leading League, Yards Gained: 5 (1984-86, 1988, 1992) with Sonny Jurgensen (Philadelphia, 1961-62; Washington, 1966-67, 1969)

Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League, Completions: 3 (1984-86) with George Blanda (Houston, 1963-65)

Most Consecutive Games, 400 or more Yards Passing: 2 (1984) with Dan Fouts (San Diego, 1982), Phil Simms (N.Y. Giants, 1985), and Billy Volek (Tennessee, 2004)

Most Wins against one team: 22 against the Indianapolis Colts ( Brett Favre vs. the Chicago Bears)

 

[H.K.]

Anybody who watched Marino play the game should be honest: he was a great quarterback. Probably top 5-10 as a pure passer.

Agree with the pure passer part, but he had flaws in other areas that the truly great QB's posessed. If you watched him play then you would admit his limitation in mobility made him a liability. There is a reason after his fourth season he only threw for 30 TD passes once in his last 13 years. Defenses figured him out. He also was a hot head and screamed at his receivers constantly. There is a fine line between being a leader and showing up your teammates.Records were all Marino had due to his inability to lead his team to a title. Much like his tirades at his wideouts, he continues to display his individual focus instead of team goals. The Dolphins defense is the common scape goat for his failures to win a title, but Marino was such a one dimensional player that he deserves every bit of the blame. Three and outs on incomplete passes stopped the clock and didn't give his defense much time to rest. Something people pointing at the defensive side of the ball never mention. In their respective careers, Favre has thrown for 3800 or more yards eleven times, Marino only did it eight times. Also, Marino eclipsed 30 TD passes four times compared to Favre's eight. Now Marino's records based mostly on compiling done when he hung around two or three seasons too long belong to someone who is playing much better at this stage of his career. Marino is left with nothing but his own bitterness, and it reminds people of how he behaved as a player. Nobody should be surprised at his bitterness.

 

[gocolts]

Some of the hatred and criticism of Dan Marino on this thread is revolting.

.....but Manning played in a different era with different rules. Manning also had an all-pro RB, which Dan never had anything close to.

By the way - give Dan Marino an all-pro RB and a decent defense in his prime, and he has several rings. Maybe his passing numbers would go down slightly, but he would have his rings. He deserves to be in every conversation about the best QB of all time. You may ultimately decide that another guy deserves the title, but without one iota of doubt, Dan belings in the conversation. To say otherwise is pure ignorance.

I am so sick of hearing about how poor Dan Marino never had a good RB, and if he did, he would have multiple rings. Paleeeeezz.So nobody is supposed to criticize Marino in any way, because YOU find it revolting.

The fact of the matter is he didn't get it done. He even got to the Super Bowl, and still didn't get it done. Dan Fouts was a better QB than Dan Marino, IMO. He didn't win a Super Bowl either but he was better than Dan Marino. Marino may have gotten a Super Bowl if he would have signed with the Vikings that year Jimmy Johnson ran him out of town, for good reason I might add. Marino throwing to Carter and Moss would have been very entertaining and they could have won it all that year. Dan Marino had what every expert says you need to win a Super Bowl and still couldn't. What is that you ask??? Answer: great defense.

It made me sick watching all my favorite QB's records get broke by Marino. When he tore up all of Fouts' records. Well know I am a colt fan and have been since they moved to my state. It gives me great pleasure watching all of Marino's records falling to Manning and even Farve. You can say I have come full circle. Watching my favorite QB at the time(Fouts) lose all his single season records to Marino. Know I get to watch my current favorite QB(Manning) taking out some of Marino's records. It's great. And Marino is obviously very upset to see this happening to his once thought of records would never be broken. I liked Elway too and to see him distance himself from Marino by winning 2 back to back Super Bowls was awesome.

And those mindless ex-dolphins cracking open champagne every year make me sick. I hope somebody.......anybody......can takes that perfect season right out from under them would be a very joyful occasion for many fans of the NFL.

In short, Dan Marino isn't even in the discussion anymore when it comes to the greatest QBs to ever play the game and will soon become Mr. Irrelavant.

I would take exception to your overly-angry and shockingly bitter post, but based on the highlited comment it is clear that bantering with you is a waste of time. He never even had a good defense until he was well past his prime - nonetheless a great one.

WOW!!! You guys are so sensitive. All these excuses for Dan Marino are very amusing.

 

[mad sweeney]

I have always respected and admired Dan Marino's ability to throw the ball. The quick drop back and release with the ball on the money. I've always felt he was a strong leader and an extremely competitive guy.

Since his retirement, I've always listened to the many things he's had to say. Whether it was the passing TD's in a single season, the overall TD's in a career.....whatever he's always seemed to take great pride in those records. I say this because many other players in history such as Brett Farve or a Peyton Manning as they won them really let those things roll down their back and could seem to care less or certainly it appears less important.

I noticed it more when Manning was gunning for his single season TD record, he really wanted to keep that. I think losing that paved the way and was a realization for him that some of these great younger QB's were going to break his overall records and he seemed genuinely happy that Farve broke his record IF someone was going to break it.

But as I think about it, I just have to wonder if those are his SB Rings. He never won a Super Bowl and he knows that when talking about quarterback greats, the topic of "How Many Rings did he have" ALWAYS comes into play.

However, for Marino he was always the 1 guy where you could sneak in his name knowing that he had zero, because he had all these passing records so he must be talked about because of it. So, in the not so distant future, Marino isn't going to own any of the real major passing records and as we know he doesn't have any rings......in a way HIS key into the topic of conversation of Greatest QB is being taken away.

He can't say no other qb has thrown more Td's in a season, someone else has and that person has a Ring. He can't say no other QB has thrown more TD's in a career, because someone else has, and that person has multiple rings.

So, do you think Marino's records meant more to him than some of the other Qb's?

I think you guys need to get a life, that's what I think. You really are looking way too much into this. Try getting a hobbie or something. You presumtions are rediculous. Dan Marino is a class athelete. He has done alot for his community and for you to bash him this way and to assume to know what he is thinking is stupid and gutless on your part.

What's FF, if not a hobby? Second, where is this bashing him? I see absolutely no bashing whatsoever in the post and quite frankly I agree with him. He doesn't have the ring and now his records are falling. Now that Manning shed his "Marino" image of best Qb but no ring, it has to sting a little for his records to fall. He hasn't seemd comfortable discussing his records falling, though there was no note of that at all in his message to Favre. You need to chill out and stop pumping your fists at nothing. It's a legitimate question and one that is a lot more true than your knee jerk reactionary mind will care to admit. Ease up on the Red Bull and actually read posts before you go off half cocked railing about insults that never were even there.

 

[H.K.]

To put it in perspective, here is a list of all of his records. The last one there may explain the earlier Colts' fan's frustration with Dan...

NFL records set by Dan Marino

Most Attempts, Career: 8,358 (since broken by Brett Favre (8,393) in 2007)

Most Completions, Career: 4,967 (since broken by Brett Favre (5021) in 2006)

Most Yards Passing, Career: 61,361

Most Touchdown Passes, Career: 420 (since broken by Brett Favre (422) in 2007)

Most Passing Yards, Season: 5,084 in 1984

Most Touchdown Passes, Season: 48 (since broken by Peyton Manning (49) in 2004)

The important ones are above. Favre may break the career passing yardage mark this season, and if he doesn't, he'd do it next year if he feels like playing. He's all about winning though, so getting some stupid record won't be why he hangs on the way Marino did.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Some of the hatred and criticism of Dan Marino on this thread is revolting.

.....but Manning played in a different era with different rules. Manning also had an all-pro RB, which Dan never had anything close to.

By the way - give Dan Marino an all-pro RB and a decent defense in his prime, and he has several rings. Maybe his passing numbers would go down slightly, but he would have his rings. He deserves to be in every conversation about the best QB of all time. You may ultimately decide that another guy deserves the title, but without one iota of doubt, Dan belings in the conversation. To say otherwise is pure ignorance.

I am so sick of hearing about how poor Dan Marino never had a good RB, and if he did, he would have multiple rings. Paleeeeezz.So nobody is supposed to criticize Marino in any way, because YOU find it revolting.

The fact of the matter is he didn't get it done. He even got to the Super Bowl, and still didn't get it done. Dan Fouts was a better QB than Dan Marino, IMO. He didn't win a Super Bowl either but he was better than Dan Marino. Marino may have gotten a Super Bowl if he would have signed with the Vikings that year Jimmy Johnson ran him out of town, for good reason I might add. Marino throwing to Carter and Moss would have been very entertaining and they could have won it all that year. Dan Marino had what every expert says you need to win a Super Bowl and still couldn't. What is that you ask??? Answer: great defense.

It made me sick watching all my favorite QB's records get broke by Marino. When he tore up all of Fouts' records. Well know I am a colt fan and have been since they moved to my state. It gives me great pleasure watching all of Marino's records falling to Manning and even Farve. You can say I have come full circle. Watching my favorite QB at the time(Fouts) lose all his single season records to Marino. Know I get to watch my current favorite QB(Manning) taking out some of Marino's records. It's great. And Marino is obviously very upset to see this happening to his once thought of records would never be broken. I liked Elway too and to see him distance himself from Marino by winning 2 back to back Super Bowls was awesome.

And those mindless ex-dolphins cracking open champagne every year make me sick. I hope somebody.......anybody......can takes that perfect season right out from under them would be a very joyful occasion for many fans of the NFL.

In short, Dan Marino isn't even in the discussion anymore when it comes to the greatest QBs to ever play the game and will soon become Mr. Irrelavant.

I would take exception to your overly-angry and shockingly bitter post, but based on the highlited comment it is clear that bantering with you is a waste of time. He never even had a good defense until he was well past his prime - nonetheless a great one.

WOW!!! You guys are so sensitive. All these excuses for Dan Marino are very amusing.

I have always had a very low tolorance for moronic statements. Please excuse me for my sensitivity.You Marino haters are right on. He was an average QB, not worthy of his first ballot HOF status. He should not even be allowed to be in the NFL record books because he was immobile.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

To put it in perspective, here is a list of all of his records. The last one there may explain the earlier Colts' fan's frustration with Dan...

NFL records set by Dan Marino

Most Attempts, Career: 8,358 (since broken by Brett Favre (8,393) in 2007)

Most Completions, Career: 4,967 (since broken by Brett Favre (5021) in 2006)

Most Yards Passing, Career: 61,361

Most Touchdown Passes, Career: 420 (since broken by Brett Favre (422) in 2007)

Most Passing Yards, Season: 5,084 in 1984

Most Touchdown Passes, Season: 48 (since broken by Peyton Manning (49) in 2004)

The important ones are above. Favre may break the career passing yardage mark this season, and if he doesn't, he'd do it next year if he feels like playing. He's all about winning though, so getting some stupid record won't be why he hangs on the way Marino did.

Right on! Marino had no interest in winning. He was just out there to be immobile, break records, and scold his WR.In all seriousness - did you ever see Dan play football?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Anybody who watched Marino play the game should be honest: he was a great quarterback. Probably top 5-10 as a pure passer.

Agree with the pure passer part, but he had flaws in other areas that the truly great QB's posessed. If you watched him play then you would admit his limitation in mobility made him a liability. There is a reason after his fourth season he only threw for 30 TD passes once in his last 13 years. Defenses figured him out. He also was a hot head and screamed at his receivers constantly. There is a fine line between being a leader and showing up your teammates.Records were all Marino had due to his inability to lead his team to a title. Much like his tirades at his wideouts, he continues to display his individual focus instead of team goals. The Dolphins defense is the common scape goat for his failures to win a title, but Marino was such a one dimensional player that he deserves every bit of the blame. Three and outs on incomplete passes stopped the clock and didn't give his defense much time to rest. Something people pointing at the defensive side of the ball never mention.

In their respective careers, Favre has thrown for 3800 or more yards eleven times, Marino only did it eight times. Also, Marino eclipsed 30 TD passes four times compared to Favre's eight. Now Marino's records based mostly on compiling done when he hung around two or three seasons too long belong to someone who is playing much better at this stage of his career. Marino is left with nothing but his own bitterness, and it reminds people of how he behaved as a player. Nobody should be surprised at his bitterness.

My low tolorance for moronic comments is still kicking in.How exactly was his lack of mobility a liability? I am not looking at the numbers right now, but based uponn the fact that I followed his career very closely I know that he was one of the least sacked QBs every season. Some of that is due to his very good OL, some of it to his ridiculously quick release - but some of it was due to his incredible footwork within the pocket. One step in one direction is all he needed to buy the extra time to let his WR get open so that he could get his pass off. His immobility was not a liability until very late in his career after multiple knee surgeries when he was playing in body armor trying to have one more shot at getting that elusive title.

When he yelled at his WR it was due to his intense desire for to win. If you have ever seen an interview with Mark Clayton or Mark Duper - or any other player that was ever dressed down on the field you would hear them say nothing other than praise for Dan and reiteration of his strong desire to win. They all loved him. You will never hear a player that played with him say a bad thing about him. If you want to villify him for being intense on the field, that is your right. I disagree completely.

I am sorry if this comes off as abbrasive, but you people that think he was out there just to break records have absolutely not one iota of a clue about Dan Marino.

 

[redman]

Just so no one confuses my position here, I agree that Marino was great. The fact that that organization never put together a strong running game or anything more than an above-average defense for him (inexplicable, given that those qualities were known to be Shula's trademark as a coach pre-Marino) was a major failing and in hindsight should be embarrassing to that organization, particularly because most of Marino's career preceded the salary cap era.

 

[ForWhoForWhat]

I was a fan of Dan the Tan growing up but as his career winded down and I got older it just seemed he wasn't that great of a competitor and that the legend surrounding him probably overshadowed his true abilities and competence.

Even though he never really had a running game or defense to speak of, lesser men have overcome stronger odds to win a championship. He had great receivers, a decent offensive line, and solid coaching.

His lack of mobility was probably his biggest downfall. If he had half the wheels that Elway had he very well have made it back to another Super Bowl and possibly won one. If receivers weren't open the guy was absolutely useless.

My buddy used to live in a ski town in Colorado and worked at a Mailboxes etc. and Dan the Tan came in one day to mail something and he signed the receipt slip and said "oh, now that you now who I am, I'm sure you'd like an autograph?" My buddy said "no thanks, I'm actually a Patriots fan". Dan gave him a puzzled look and left kind of with his head down. Pretty arrogant if you ask me. All flash and no substance. One opinion from one guy who has a life.

 

[shakeybarn]

Trent Dilfer had an all-world defense, and has a Super Bowl win.

You need to look at the talent of the QB, and he surely had it.

Give Tom Brady a piss poor defense, and (insert awful coach here).... would ppl be able to judge him on pure talent?

Warren Moon is another example... but him on Dallas or SF or the Steelers of the 70s. Lights out. Put Terry Bradshaw on the St Louis Cardinals without Jack Ham, Mel Blount, Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Mike Webster, Joe Greene, Franco Harris, Jack Lambert oh.. and Chuck Noll.... he'd be out of the league in 4 years. Nuff said.

 

[H.K.]

How exactly was his lack of mobility a liability?

Classic!

 

[shakeybarn]

I was a fan of Dan the Tan growing up but as his career winded down and I got older it just seemed he wasn't that great of a competitor and that the legend surrounding him probably overshadowed his true abilities and competence.Even though he never really had a running game or defense to speak of, lesser men have overcome stronger odds to win a championship. He had great receivers, a decent offensive line, and solid coaching.His lack of mobility was probably his biggest downfall. If he had half the wheels that Elway had he very well have made it back to another Super Bowl and possibly won one. If receivers weren't open the guy was absolutely useless.My buddy used to live in a ski town in Colorado and worked at a Mailboxes etc. and Dan the Tan came in one day to mail something and he signed the receipt slip and said "oh, now that you now who I am, I'm sure you'd like an autograph?" My buddy said "no thanks, I'm actually a Patriots fan". Dan gave him a puzzled look and left kind of with his head down. Pretty arrogant if you ask me. All flash and no substance. One opinion from one guy who has a life.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I'm not even a Marino fan.... but me thinks this "story" has lost a little bit in translation.

 

[H.K.]

Trent Dilfer had an all-world defense, and has a Super Bowl win.You need to look at the talent of the QB, and he surely had it. Give Tom Brady a piss poor defense, and (insert awful coach here).... would ppl be able to judge him on pure talent?Warren Moon is another example... but him on Dallas or SF or the Steelers of the 70s. Lights out. Put Terry Bradshaw on the St Louis Cardinals without Jack Ham, Mel Blount, Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Mike Webster, Joe Greene, Franco Harris, Jack Lambert oh.. and Chuck Noll.... he'd be out of the league in 4 years. Nuff said.

People who can not justify their position with facts often rely on hypotheticals based off of something that can't be disproved.The problem with this type of argument is that facts will always over ride what is based upon speculation. Sorry, but your point is useless. Please try and use tangible evidence to support your position.For example, when I say Marino was immobile and one dimensional, I can substantiate the claim based on his 301 career carries for 87 yards. Yes, you read that accurately. He averaged 0.289 YPC in his career.

 

[MarshallRob]

This is one sad thread. Have we actually come to the point where Favre fans can criticize Marino for hanging around too long? What's next, finding non-altruistic reasons for Marino's charity work? Oh, somebody already posted that too. We've had plenty of entertaining threads on this board on how the all-time great QB's, including Marino, should be ranked. But these strange personal attacks on the guy I just don't get. Am I supposed to believe Marino's the only great QB who ever yelled at a teammate in the heat of battle? I've never heard of any of his teammates criticize him for that so if it doesn't bother them why should it bother any of us? As far as I can tell, Marino was a gracious player who never threw a coach or teammate under the bus (unlike Manning) and had nothing but respect for the game. He's never been touched by scandal or embarassed the Dolphins organization or the NFL in any way (unlike Favre). Marino was a fiery player and the greatest competitor I've ever seen. Is he happy Favre is breaking his records? Of course not. Why would be expect him to be? But he's never said anything derogatory about Favre or anyone else. By contrast, I remember Jim Brown saying some unkind things about Franco Harris when Franco was making a run at the old rushing record. Marino posseses a totally different persona than Favre and he doesn't come across as a guy "just having fun out there". So what? I imagine it's a burden being considered the best QB never to win a championship and Marino seems to me to be handling it all fine under the circumstances.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I was a fan of Dan the Tan growing up but as his career winded down and I got older it just seemed he wasn't that great of a competitor and that the legend surrounding him probably overshadowed his true abilities and competence.

Even though he never really had a running game or defense to speak of, lesser men have overcome stronger odds to win a championship. He had great receivers, a decent offensive line, and solid coaching.

His lack of mobility was probably his biggest downfall. If he had half the wheels that Elway had he very well have made it back to another Super Bowl and possibly won one. If receivers weren't open the guy was absolutely useless.

My buddy used to live in a ski town in Colorado and worked at a Mailboxes etc. and Dan the Tan came in one day to mail something and he signed the receipt slip and said "oh, now that you now who I am, I'm sure you'd like an autograph?" My buddy said "no thanks, I'm actually a Patriots fan". Dan gave him a puzzled look and left kind of with his head down. Pretty arrogant if you ask me. All flash and no substance. One opinion from one guy who has a life.

Thats true. He was all flash with nothing to back it up. Although, my friend that works at the post office in New Orleans said he was delightful when he came in. Signed autographs, left with no puzzled look on his face, with his head up. He did say that Dan's immobility did cause him to take longer than average to walk up to the counter though, but the lack of hardware on his fingers made him a whiz when it came to stamping his mail. Bet your guy just caught him on a bad day. That story though is a great reason to accuse Dan of having 'no substance". That is far more vital substance to form an opinion on a person than their incredible career and endless charitable contributions.I dont know why I am even still reading this thread and taking such exception to it. Not much gets me worked up, but ignorant comments about my sports heros - Dan Marino and Cal Ripken - those bring out the worst in me.

 

[H.K.]

I imagine it's a burden being considered the best QB never to win a championship

There is still plenty of argument about who was the best QB unable to win a championship. Now if you want to crown Marino as the best QB who played for over 15 seasons and couldn't rush for over 90 years in his career, then I'd agree with you.

 

[MarshallRob]

I thinkhe thought many of his records would stand for decades. It must be hard for him to see them fall this soon but he does seem to be a bit of a poor sport about it.

What team has those ex-players that drinks champagne every year when the last undefeated team loses?What team did Dan Marino play for?

Are you trying to tell me that Dan Marino QB's the '72 Dolphins?

No, Marino supplies them with the champagne. Actually, that champagne story has been blown way out of proportion.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Trent Dilfer had an all-world defense, and has a Super Bowl win.

You need to look at the talent of the QB, and he surely had it.

Give Tom Brady a piss poor defense, and (insert awful coach here).... would ppl be able to judge him on pure talent?

Warren Moon is another example... but him on Dallas or SF or the Steelers of the 70s. Lights out. Put Terry Bradshaw on the St Louis Cardinals without Jack Ham, Mel Blount, Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Mike Webster, Joe Greene, Franco Harris, Jack Lambert oh.. and Chuck Noll.... he'd be out of the league in 4 years. Nuff said.

People who can not justify their position with facts often rely on hypotheticals based off of something that can't be disproved.The problem with this type of argument is that facts will always over ride what is based upon speculation. Sorry, but your point is useless. Please try and use tangible evidence to support your position.

For example, when I say Marino was immobile and one dimensional, I can substantiate the claim based on his 301 career carries for 87 yards. Yes, you read that accurately. He averaged 0.289 YPC in his career.

Get him the heck out of all of the record books, out of the HOF, and never mention him again as one of the best ever! He had a horrible YPC average - and no QB should ever have a low YPC average and be mentioned among the best! Maybe if he had spent less time yelling at his WR and concentrating on breaking records he could have made himself faster and improved his YPC. He sucked.

 

[bobrobeiii]

I have always respected and admired Dan Marino's ability to throw the ball. The quick drop back and release with the ball on the money. I've always felt he was a strong leader and an extremely competitive guy.Since his retirement, I've always listened to the many things he's had to say. Whether it was the passing TD's in a single season, the overall TD's in a career.....whatever he's always seemed to take great pride in those records. I say this because many other players in history such as Brett Farve or a Peyton Manning as they won them really let those things roll down their back and could seem to care less or certainly it appears less important.I noticed it more when Manning was gunning for his single season TD record, he really wanted to keep that. I think losing that paved the way and was a realization for him that some of these great younger QB's were going to break his overall records and he seemed genuinely happy that Farve broke his record IF someone was going to break it.But as I think about it, I just have to wonder if those are his SB Rings. He never won a Super Bowl and he knows that when talking about quarterback greats, the topic of "How Many Rings did he have" ALWAYS comes into play. However, for Marino he was always the 1 guy where you could sneak in his name knowing that he had zero, because he had all these passing records so he must be talked about because of it. So, in the not so distant future, Marino isn't going to own any of the real major passing records and as we know he doesn't have any rings......in a way HIS key into the topic of conversation of Greatest QB is being taken away.He can't say no other qb has thrown more Td's in a season, someone else has and that person has a Ring. He can't say no other QB has thrown more TD's in a career, because someone else has, and that person has multiple rings.So, do you think Marino's records meant more to him than some of the other Qb's?

Marino ONLY has records to hold on to and the personality of a dead fish....Favre has a Superbowl Ring and records.I'm from Buffalo so please forgive my anti-Marino bias...he was a fine QB but WAY over-hyped....NEVER had the talent to make up for what his team lacked.Farve, Elway and Young DID have the ability to make up for what their teams lacked.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I have always respected and admired Dan Marino's ability to throw the ball. The quick drop back and release with the ball on the money. I've always felt he was a strong leader and an extremely competitive guy.

Since his retirement, I've always listened to the many things he's had to say. Whether it was the passing TD's in a single season, the overall TD's in a career.....whatever he's always seemed to take great pride in those records. I say this because many other players in history such as Brett Farve or a Peyton Manning as they won them really let those things roll down their back and could seem to care less or certainly it appears less important.

I noticed it more when Manning was gunning for his single season TD record, he really wanted to keep that. I think losing that paved the way and was a realization for him that some of these great younger QB's were going to break his overall records and he seemed genuinely happy that Farve broke his record IF someone was going to break it.

But as I think about it, I just have to wonder if those are his SB Rings. He never won a Super Bowl and he knows that when talking about quarterback greats, the topic of "How Many Rings did he have" ALWAYS comes into play.

However, for Marino he was always the 1 guy where you could sneak in his name knowing that he had zero, because he had all these passing records so he must be talked about because of it. So, in the not so distant future, Marino isn't going to own any of the real major passing records and as we know he doesn't have any rings......in a way HIS key into the topic of conversation of Greatest QB is being taken away.

He can't say no other qb has thrown more Td's in a season, someone else has and that person has a Ring. He can't say no other QB has thrown more TD's in a career, because someone else has, and that person has multiple rings.

So, do you think Marino's records meant more to him than some of the other Qb's?

Marino ONLY has records to hold on to and the personality of a dead fish....Favre has a Superbowl Ring and records.I'm from Buffalo so please forgive my anti-Marino bias...he was a fine QB but WAY over-hyped....NEVER had the talent to make up for what his team lacked.

Farve, Elway and Young DID have the ability to make up for what their teams lacked.

So what did their teams lack? Favre had a strong D and Dorsey Levens (who was money at the time). Elway had a strong D and Terrell Davis. Young had a strong D and Ricky Watters. All 3 of those guys had better defenses and RBs during their championship seasons than Dan ever had in his career. The most productive RB Marino ever had was Karim Abdul Jabbar (the football player).

 

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So what did their teams lack? Favre had a strong D and Dorsey Levens (who was money at the time). Elway had a strong D and Terrell Davis. Young had a strong D and Ricky Watters. All 3 of those guys had better defenses and RBs during their championship seasons than Dan ever had in his career. The most productive RB Marino ever had was Karim Abdul Jabbar (the football player).

So, did Marino not win because of the lack of defense and running game... or... did Marino break those records despite the lack of a running game/defense? Where does his talent come into play here?

 

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I have always respected and admired Dan Marino's ability to throw the ball. The quick drop back and release with the ball on the money. I've always felt he was a strong leader and an extremely competitive guy.

Since his retirement, I've always listened to the many things he's had to say. Whether it was the passing TD's in a single season, the overall TD's in a career.....whatever he's always seemed to take great pride in those records. I say this because many other players in history such as Brett Farve or a Peyton Manning as they won them really let those things roll down their back and could seem to care less or certainly it appears less important.

I noticed it more when Manning was gunning for his single season TD record, he really wanted to keep that. I think losing that paved the way and was a realization for him that some of these great younger QB's were going to break his overall records and he seemed genuinely happy that Farve broke his record IF someone was going to break it.

But as I think about it, I just have to wonder if those are his SB Rings. He never won a Super Bowl and he knows that when talking about quarterback greats, the topic of "How Many Rings did he have" ALWAYS comes into play.

However, for Marino he was always the 1 guy where you could sneak in his name knowing that he had zero, because he had all these passing records so he must be talked about because of it. So, in the not so distant future, Marino isn't going to own any of the real major passing records and as we know he doesn't have any rings......in a way HIS key into the topic of conversation of Greatest QB is being taken away.

He can't say no other qb has thrown more Td's in a season, someone else has and that person has a Ring. He can't say no other QB has thrown more TD's in a career, because someone else has, and that person has multiple rings.

So, do you think Marino's records meant more to him than some of the other Qb's?

Marino ONLY has records to hold on to and the personality of a dead fish....Favre has a Superbowl Ring and records.I'm from Buffalo so please forgive my anti-Marino bias...he was a fine QB but WAY over-hyped....NEVER had the talent to make up for what his team lacked.

Farve, Elway and Young DID have the ability to make up for what their teams lacked.

So what did their teams lack? Favre had a strong D and Dorsey Levens (who was money at the time). Elway had a strong D and Terrell Davis. Young had a strong D and Ricky Watters. All 3 of those guys had better defenses and RBs during their championship seasons than Dan ever had in his career. The most productive RB Marino ever had was Karim Abdul Jabbar (the football player).

Good point, although I think I meant when each QBs team was struggling in one facet of the game which QB could MAKE UP for that particular short-coming, but I digress, let me change my point to thisut Marino in place of Favre, Elway or Young when each of them won their respectiv super bowls and what happens? Do those teams still win with Marino at the helm? I'd say that he was a better fit with the San Fran West Coast system because of the quit hitting protocol but in Green Bay and in Denver in MUCH tougher climate I would have to say that Green Bay and Denver would NOT have won with Marino at the helm. And lets bring in my coment about personality...who would you rather play with? Favre or Marino....No Brainer there as I obviously have serious man-love for the Favre-meister