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Do you think Mike Tyson really raped Desiree Washington? (1 Viewer)

Did Mike Tyson rape Desiree Washington

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fantasycurse42

fantasycurse42

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I've read about this one for ages and I feel he got railroaded. Personally I think she is a liar who came to his room in her pajamas at 2am to cash a paycheck.

 
He always claimed he was innocent but accepted the jail time because he deserved it for other crimes. For some reason that attitude made me believe him.

 
Admittedly, I don't recall the details and and this point, I don't care enough to look back. That being said, he still maintains his innocense in this case and Ithink he's the type of person that would admit to doing it if he did. 

 
cstu said:
He always claimed he was innocent but accepted the jail time because he deserved it for other crimes. For some reason that attitude made me believe him.
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Pretty much this.  He is unbelievably honest about everything in his life and I have heard him numerous times on Opie Anthony proclaiming his innocence about the incident.  I think she saw an opportunity and went for it. 

 
His autobiography is riveting. Really an amazing read. I believe him on this issue. She was after a check.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Admittedly, I don't recall the details and and this point, I don't care enough to look back. That being said, he still maintains his innocense in this case and Ithink he's the type of person that would admit to doing it if he did. 
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Although I vote "no" on this one based on everything I've read and heard about it, it is worth noting that one of the difficult things about sexual assault is that it is very much possible (if not common) that one person's honest belief at the time of the events differs from the other participant's feelings on the crucial issue of consent.

 
I'm going to need an OJ-esque mini series to help me decide. I'm also going to need Iron Mike to play himself.

 
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I'm leaning towards no. The problem is if you ask for proof you're blaming the victim and in this day in age accusing someone is proof enough.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
To start, you've got a lot of proving to do IMO when you head off to someone's hotel room at 2am in your pajamas.
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She was invited by Tyson to his room and accepted. He was a celebrity. Not every 18 year old black woman is asking for it. If she refused, what do you think a horny Mike Tyson would do?  

 
SoBeDad said:
She was invited by Tyson to his room and accepted. He was a celebrity. Not every 18 year old black woman is asking for it. If she refused, what do you think a horny Mike Tyson would do?  
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I think a horny Tyson would've called one of the 49 other participants and easily found a replacement within 30 minutes.

Furthermore, this is a man that was with a different girl almost every day during this period, if he was a rapist, I feel others would've come forward, no? 

Why did she accept? Why didn't she even put on clothes, just stayed in her pajamas? You're aware the invitation was made at 136am, right? 

Lastly, what does her being a black woman have to do with it? Just curious, seems like an odd comment IMO.

 
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Limp Ditka said:
I mean who goes to a random dude's room that called her 30 minutes ago, someone she just met. She goes in her pajamas, this is at 2 in the morning?

A whore, that's who.
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A little more context to make your post accurate :thumbup:  

Yes a whore, actually if I explained this situation without context, most would guess the girl in the situation was a prostitute.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
This whole thing has gotten truthery. The  man was convicted by a jury.
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The question wasn't asking if he was found guilty, no need to discuss that, pretty cut and dry... The opinions show more feel he was wrongly convicted, which even those that say guilty can't argue that isn't outside the realm of possibilities.

 
As I recall the facts of this case, this innocent little girl went up to the bedroom of the heavyweight champion around 2:00am. She took off her top, got into bed with him and made out for several minutes. Then she got up, went to the bathroom, took off her panty liner and left it on the sink. THEN she got back into bed with Tyson and made out even more. Then she got ####ed good by the champion. Several days later she cried rape.

 
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fantasycurse42 said:
The question wasn't asking if he was found guilty, no need to discuss that, pretty cut and dry... The opinions show more feel he was wrongly convicted, which even those that say guilty can't argue that isn't outside the realm of possibilities.
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I guess if you want to debate it out, I cop to not knowing all the facts or even most of them, but my point was just that I trust the jury. Also some of the points further up don't seem really convincing of his innocence either. Young girl shows up in her pajamas at 0200? I don't think that translates to 'he didn't do it.' And the idea she was looking for money just means he could have paid her off and made it go away, boom, done.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
I guess if you want to debate it out, I cop to not knowing all the facts or even most of them, but my point was just that I trust the jury. Also some of the points further up don't seem really convincing of his innocence either. Young girl shows up in her pajamas at 0200? I don't think that translates to 'he didn't do it.' And the idea she was looking for money just means he could have paid her off and made it go away, boom, done.




 
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You trust juries 100%?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Can you guys provide links for some of this stuff?

Tyson's lawyer represented Hinckley and Hoffa too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/28/AR2006072801655.html
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His lawyer was hired by Don King

http://articles.courant.com/1992-02-13/sports/0000205854_1_tyson-s-attorney-mike-tyson-rape-trial-prosecutor-j-gregory

 This was a street case and Fuller was out of his element. He didn't have the background for this. I don't think he had ever tried a rape case or a sexual assault case before."
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
No, of course not, but Tyson did not lack for a high priced defense, we know that, and 12 people in a box listening to all the evidence is not a bad place to start. I mean we're not talking railroading here.
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There was also a lot of evidence that hasn't been mentioned in this thread. The hospital medical examination, of course. Tyson's limo driver saying she looked great and happy going in and was a total mess when she came back out.  Stuff explaining why she agreed to meet up with him.  And of course there was his history of violence against women, numerous accounts of him feeling entitled to sex, etc.  And not for nothing, but the guy bit another human being's ear off. He was totally ####ing insane. Oh, and when he left he said he wanted to rape her to make up for costing him years in prison.

I have no idea what happened.  If I had to bet on it I'd guess he did it, but I'm not OJ-level convinced.  But if you read this thread you'd think it was just a "he said she said thing." It wasn't, and it rarely is with rape charges.

 
TobiasFunke said:
There was also a lot of evidence that hasn't been mentioned in this thread. The hospital medical examination, of course. Tyson's limo driver saying she looked great and happy going in and was a total mess when she came back out.  Stuff explaining why she agreed to meet up with him.  And of course there was his history of violence against women, numerous accounts of him feeling entitled to sex, etc.  And not for nothing, but the guy bit another human being's ear off. He was totally ####ing insane. Oh, and when he left he said he wanted to rape her to make up for costing him years in prison.

I have no idea what happened.  If I had to bet on it I'd guess he did it, but I'm not OJ-level convinced.  But if you read this thread you'd think it was just a "he said she said thing." It wasn't, and it rarely is with rape charges.
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Ok thank you, more detail like this would be helpful.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
I guess if you want to debate it out, I cop to not knowing all the facts or even most of them, but my point was just that I trust the jury. Also some of the points further up don't seem really convincing of his innocence either. Young girl shows up in her pajamas at 0200? I don't think that translates to 'he didn't do it.' And the idea she was looking for money just means he could have paid her off and made it go away, boom, done.
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She knew exactly what was going to happen when she went up to his room wearing pajamas at 2 in the morning. She could have changed her mind and was raped, but I'm giving Tyson the benefit of the doubt.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
No, of course not, but Tyson did not lack for a high priced defense, we know that, and 12 people in a box listening to all the evidence is not a bad place to start. I mean we're not talking railroading here.
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Pretty easy for the jury to take one look at Tyson and decide he's a rapist.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Actually yeah and I read the article.

Buckley was a Hartford criminal defense attorney and an ex-boxing trainer, who comes in after the conviction and writes a piece in the local rag and says that Fuller wasn't a good attorney, is that right?




 




 
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Actually, no it doesn't say that.

Buckley took them to task for how they defended Tyson. Can you show us where he said Fuller wasn't a good attorney?

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Ok thank you, more detail like this would be helpful.
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Yeah, I looked around and didn't find much. The info in my previous post was cobbled together from a couple articles that showed up on a google search. There's not a lot of objective info out there on the case for whatever reason.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Actually yeah and I read the article.

Buckley was a Hartford criminal defense attorney and an ex-boxing trainer, who comes in after the conviction and writes a piece in the local rag and says that Fuller wasn't a good attorney, is that right?
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Ummmm no, my quote stated he had never defended a rape or sexual assault case. Not really the best move for a guy facing a rape case with means to find someone with the right experience.

 
Jules Winnfield said:
Actually, no it doesn't say that.

Buckley took them to task for how they defended Tyson. Can you show us where he said Fuller wasn't a good attorney?
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Ok back up this was the original claim:

should be noted that Don King hired a divorce attorney to handle Tyson's rape defense.
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As for Buckley ok you're right he doesn't say he was a 'bad attorney' he just says he was out of his element.

Who is Buckley again? He's talking about Fuller who had tried - and won - far more complicated and prejudicial cases, not to mention Allan Dershowitz on appeal. the original claim was wrong in suggesting Tyson did not have real criminal defense representation but the idea that he wasn't provided for is crazy.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Yeah, I looked around and didn't find much. The info in my previous post was cobbled together from a couple articles that showed up on a google search. There's not a lot of objective info out there on the case for whatever reason.
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Prob bc there wasn't a lot of evidence at the time outside of what a monster he was.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Ummmm no, my quote stated he had never defended a rape or sexual assault case. Not really the best move for a guy facing a rape case with means to find someone with the right experience.
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I'm gonna say defending the attempted murderer of a president was more prejudicial and defending Hoffa was a lot tougher than a rape case.

I'm getting out of my element myself now, I admitted to not knowing much about the details but just looking at these 2-3 points isn't really convincing me.

I'll bow out now. I'm open minded and I will keep reading, I don't want to debate the whole thread, I was just interested.

 
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One last point - I edited the above because I got Chapman and Hinckley confused, but it's even more impressive that Fuller got Hinckley relatively off. The whole country was out for blood, talk about a prejudiced jury. Fuller ought to be in the lawyer HOF for that one, and that was Tyson's lawyer. And Dershowitz on appeal.

 
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