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Do you treat McNabb like a high #1 until he gets hurt? (1 Viewer)
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dmac37
Footballguy
I think he is in the top 5 range.He has one of the best passing schedules, Philly is a passing team, and McNabb has rack up points with average at best talent to throw to in the past.
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
he is top 3 this year. write it down. save this post.
he is a better start every week over big ben or warner
he is 100%, the offense will be aggressive, have better field position thanks to return game and more turnovers on defense.
and let me add desean will be money
and having healthy lj smith is huge. lj is top 6 tight end bc the d will have to worry about westy and desean too much
he is a better start every week over big ben or warner
he is 100%, the offense will be aggressive, have better field position thanks to return game and more turnovers on defense.
and let me add desean will be money
and having healthy lj smith is huge. lj is top 6 tight end bc the d will have to worry about westy and desean too much
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therokie0070
Footballguy
if healthy and his WR can stay on the field he is top 4 or 5 QB and maybe could push top 3 for a spot!!!
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
The consensus top 4 QBs and their receiving options:
Brady - Randy Moss and Wes Welker
Manning - Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison
Romo - Terrell Owens and Jason Witten
Brees - Marques Colston and Reggie Bush
Other QBs considered top options:
Palmer - Chad Ocho Cinco and T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Roethlisberger - Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes
Anderson - Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow
What are McNabb's options? Westbrook. That's it. And Westbrook doubles as their rushing threat as well. I see a lot of WRs getting 500-600 yard seasons in Philadelphia this year, and McNabb barely breaking 3200 yards and 20 TDs. I don't consider that "high #1".
Brady - Randy Moss and Wes Welker
Manning - Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison
Romo - Terrell Owens and Jason Witten
Brees - Marques Colston and Reggie Bush
Other QBs considered top options:
Palmer - Chad Ocho Cinco and T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Roethlisberger - Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes
Anderson - Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow
What are McNabb's options? Westbrook. That's it. And Westbrook doubles as their rushing threat as well. I see a lot of WRs getting 500-600 yard seasons in Philadelphia this year, and McNabb barely breaking 3200 yards and 20 TDs. I don't consider that "high #1".
Jason Wood
Zoo York
He's as likely to put up Top 5 numbers as anyone as long as he's healthy. I've definitely been targeting him this year, and landed him in quite a few leagues paired with Jay Cutler, which has me unbelievably jazzed.
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
consensus is worthwhile but not law.. every year the consensus picks dont turn out to be accurate because they are based on prediction. Brees was consensus #2 or 3 last year but wasnt. McNabb has done it in the past without sexy weapons. He has Westbrook and Booker if they line up both, either is a pass threat). LJ Smith had nearly identical career stats to Witten and Clark until last season when LJ was hurt. Desean Jackson looks like the real deal (only a rookie but showing a lot... as a Philly homer he has performed in camp and on the field as a veteran WR... he "gets it".. he knows where to be on the field, how to get open, and has the speed to take it to the house. Reggie Brown will be back in a few weeks and is a good option for McNabb (but not FF). Baskett and AVant will be better.If I look at your list:Colts- Harrison old, Manning coming off surgeryBrady- OK cant argueRomo- TO and a tight end... not that sexyBrees- Colston and Bush.. hmm they were there last year and didnt do muchPalmer- Housh and Ochocinco (Ocho may be hurt)roth- Ward getting oldAnderson- flash in the pan or legit? we'll find outSo to argue McNabb isntt in the high #1 conversation is sillyThe consensus top 4 QBs and their receiving options:Brady - Randy Moss and Wes WelkerManning - Reggie Wayne and Marvin HarrisonRomo - Terrell Owens and Jason WittenBrees - Marques Colston and Reggie BushOther QBs considered top optionsalmer - Chad Ocho Cinco and T.J. HoushmandzadehRoethlisberger - Hines Ward and Santonio HolmesAnderson - Braylon Edwards and Kellen WinslowWhat are McNabb's options? Westbrook. That's it. And Westbrook doubles as their rushing threat as well. I see a lot of WRs getting 500-600 yard seasons in Philadelphia this year, and McNabb barely breaking 3200 yards and 20 TDs. I don't consider that "high #1".
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None_More_Black
Footballguy
I have the same pairing in my main league. Do you see yourself going with McNabb exclusivly if healthy or do you see a rotation? Looking at Denver's schedule, there are not many games where i see Cutler as the obvious start, although I like his potential this year with Marshall.
CalBear
Footballguy
McNabb has finished in the top 5 three times in his career. His top receivers in the first two top-5 seasons:Chad LewisCharles JohnsonTorrance SmallJames ThrashTodd PinkstonDuce StaleyHis receivers this year are at least as talented as that group.
YoUnG GuNz
Footballguy
They're way more talented then that group.
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
I'm with you on McNabb, but I am thinking that he's going to have to turn everybody around him into superstars to match the top four guys listed. You're stretching if you really expect people to follow your argument about Romo and Brees...T.O. is often the second wide reciever off the board and witten is often the first...that's as sexy a pair of pass catchers as you're going to get in the NFL (post Ocho Cinco's injury). Brees put up multi-TD games as the year wore on, people value him where he is for a valid reason. McNabb will really have to fight to make matching performances to the top guys who simply have more talent around them to get it done.I think McNabb can do it, but with Curtis' hernia and Brown's hammy it is far from a safe bet. L.J. should catch up this year though and make people remember why they might have heard of him before. DeSean? Man, I really want to see that turn into something special too, but he's a rookie WR without a clear option to take heat off of him if he proves to be dangerous.consensus is worthwhile but not law.. every year the consensus picks dont turn out to be accurate because they are based on prediction. Brees was consensus #2 or 3 last year but wasnt. McNabb has done it in the past without sexy weapons. He has Westbrook and Booker if they line up both, either is a pass threat). LJ Smith had nearly identical career stats to Witten and Clark until last season when LJ was hurt. Desean Jackson looks like the real deal (only a rookie but showing a lot... as a Philly homer he has performed in camp and on the field as a veteran WR... he "gets it".. he knows where to be on the field, how to get open, and has the speed to take it to the house. Reggie Brown will be back in a few weeks and is a good option for McNabb (but not FF). Baskett and AVant will be better.If I look at your list:Colts- Harrison old, Manning coming off surgeryBrady- OK cant argueRomo- TO and a tight end... not that sexyBrees- Colston and Bush.. hmm they were there last year and didnt do muchPalmer- Housh and Ochocinco (Ocho may be hurt)roth- Ward getting oldAnderson- flash in the pan or legit? we'll find outSo to argue McNabb isntt in the high #1 conversation is sillyThe consensus top 4 QBs and their receiving options:Brady - Randy Moss and Wes WelkerManning - Reggie Wayne and Marvin HarrisonRomo - Terrell Owens and Jason WittenBrees - Marques Colston and Reggie BushOther QBs considered top options
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
When McNabb finished top 5 in 2000 and 2001 he RUSHED for 621/6 and 482/2. Since 2004, McNabb hasn't been able to run like he used to due to his accumulated injuries and rushes for about 200 yards in a season.His passing situation hasn't changed much. In 2000 and 2001, he passed for 3365/21 and 3233/25. That's not far from where I put his numbers at best this year.
stevegamer
Footballguy
If you look at last year his PPG pace was quite good. I'm treating him as my starter in the league I have him, and I have a backup that I'm fairly sure will produce on bye, and will stay healthy - weird thing is that he's old as dirt.
CalBear
Footballguy
In 2007 he passed for 3324/19 in just 14 games. He also had the most rushing attempts and yardage he's had since 2003. His upside if he plays 16 is well above 3300/21; heck, even if you just give him the two games he missed, he would have put up 3600/22, which would have put him at about #8 overall.
dirtywaters20
Footballguy
As a fellow Eagles' fan, I implore you to edit this portion of your post.McNabb will be a stud this year. He has enough of a surrounding cast (Westbrook, Booker, LJ, Deshaun, Brown, Avant) that when coupled with his renewed mobility & top notch offensive line, it is not at all unreasonable to expect a top 5 finish. The defense ranked last in forcing turnovers & their punt & kick return game were absolutely pathetic last season. He should get some shorter fields to work with this season.
T Bell
Footballguy
Now imagine McNabb puts up those numbers in 12 starts.
jasvic
Footballguy
Dude, he agrees with you. Unbelievably jazzed means he's happy and excited.As a fellow Eagles' fan, I implore you to edit this portion of your post.
McNabb will be a stud this year. He has enough of a surrounding cast (Westbrook, Booker, LJ, Deshaun, Brown, Avant) that when coupled with his renewed mobility & top notch offensive line, it is not at all unreasonable to expect a top 5 finish. The defense ranked last in forcing turnovers & their punt & kick return game were absolutely pathetic last season. He should get some shorter fields to work with this season.
Fallerjw
Footballguy
i'd say he's a #1....
Spartans346
Footballguy
Dear Lord Baby Jesus,
I want to thank you for giving me the sense of keeping McNabb in my line up.
Amen
I want to thank you for giving me the sense of keeping McNabb in my line up.
Amen
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
I think so far this is post of the week.. oh wait I posted it
(and started donovan, lj, and desean)But for real.. McNabb looks amazing.. he will not be scrambling much at all.. but his knee is recovered so he can now avoid the blitz when he needs to... The Eagles WRs are a deep bunch... Desean may end up being a #1 (in fantasy) WR by year's end..... And the combo of Curtis/Brown/Avant/Baskett/GLew/Westbrook/LJ provide so many weapons for McNabb. Fantasy wise, nobody is worth trusting except for Donovan, LJ, Desean, and Westbrook. But as an offense, this is a very good group. Avant knows how to get open. If (big if) Curtis comes back this year or Brown comes back at full speed, that will mean many long TD passes for this offense. Desean/Westbrook is too dangerous and will be the focus of the defense. So that will enable Reggie Brown (who has a history of catching the long ball) or Curtis to get open.And by the way, for all the people scoping out waiver wire TEs, LJ Smith should be top of your list. He will get plenty of TDs this year.. again too many players for the defense to focus on+McNabb's trust in LJ=great red zone threat (and prior to last year, LJ had almost equal career stats to Witten and Dallas Clark)Sure McNabb can get hurt.. but anybody can.. and remember too that for years Fred Taylor was called Fragile Fred but since not broken down significantly in a number of years. The same can happen to McNabb.. But if you have Donovan, stash Kolb... Kolb I think would be a decent start. better than many trashy waiver wire QBs.. Kolb is very precise.. no Donovan but better than Flacco for example
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Don't get too excited. It was only one week and they were playing the Rams.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
It was actually a fairly typical fantasy day for McNabb. In fact, it was only the 17th best game of his career using FBG scoring.
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
If you have McNabb and he's healthy, you must start him.
IF he's healthy, I would put only Romo/Brees/Peyton ahead of him. And I might even start him ahead of Peyton.
IF he's healthy, I would put only Romo/Brees/Peyton ahead of him. And I might even start him ahead of Peyton.
dotman
Footballguy
When healthy he has consistently been a great fantasy QB...yesterday was very "McNabb-like". Sounds like someone is mad they missed out.
Routilla
Footballguy
Not at all. He is an injury risk and I'm not sold on his supporting cast outside of Westy. Again, it was the Rams at home.Next 4 games are @DAL, PIT, @CHI, WAS. This should give us a better idea of what to expect from him.
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Sounds like I'm hitched to that same wagon you are. I have Favre backing up McNabb. Brett isn't seeing the field unless/until McNabb gets hurt. McNabb's PPG is very difficult to argue against. He's in an offense that he's very comfortable/familiar with and that will throw quite a bit regardless of the quality of their receiving options. He doesn't run as much anymore, but he doesn't turn the ball over that much either, for leagues that gig you for that(as mine does).Outside of Manning, Brees and Romo I can't see many solid arguments for starting somone else over him consistently when everything else(i.e. health) is equal. Certain matchups? Maybe another 3 guys enter the discussion then. MAYBE.With Brady going down for however long he's down, about the only thing keeping McNabb from a top 4 finish is a severe injury.
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dotman
Footballguy
So if McNabb stays healthy, where do you expect him to finish among QB's?
Routilla
Footballguy
W2 @DAL
W3 PIT
W4 @CHI
W5 WAS
W6 bye
W6 @SF
W7 bye
W8 ATL
W9 @SEA
W10 NYG
W11 @CIN
W12 @BAL
W13 AZ
W14 @NYG
W15 CLE
W16 @WAS
W17 DAL
He has some good match-ups if he gets through the next 4 games healthy but there are still a few land mines on the schedule. I have no idea where he finishes if he stays healthy. But the stats from the Rams game will not be very close to his average IMO.
W3 PIT
W4 @CHI
W5 WAS
W6 bye
W6 @SF
W7 bye
W8 ATL
W9 @SEA
W10 NYG
W11 @CIN
W12 @BAL
W13 AZ
W14 @NYG
W15 CLE
W16 @WAS
W17 DAL
He has some good match-ups if he gets through the next 4 games healthy but there are still a few land mines on the schedule. I have no idea where he finishes if he stays healthy. But the stats from the Rams game will not be very close to his average IMO.
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
you're correct that after week 4 we'll truly know how good Donovan will be.. Problem is if he is great, he will unobtainable. So, if you are a believer, now is the time to try to get him (and use the tough schedule and the fact that the Eagles pounced on the lowly Rams) as a reason why he shouldnt be so valued. For the reasons listed above, I firmly believe Donovan will be elite this year (MVP candidate). He has plenty of weapons (not sexy names).. and this will allow Reid and team to come up with creative offensive sets to confuse the defenses all year (2 RB with Booker/Westy), 3 WR at goalline with Desean/Baskett/Avanrt (and amazingly the fade route was not in the Eagles play book until this season- watch for baskett to snag some fades at the goalline this year), line up Westbrook as a WR, etc.... He will have deep threats (Desean, baskett, and Brown/Curtis if they are healthy). He has guys who can break the short pass for a td (Desean, Westy)
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southeastjerome
Footballguy
bucsbaby said:
Against Washington, Manning completed just 54% of his passes for 216 yards and 0 TDs vs. 1 INT. Not sure I would consider that passing at will. They definately had trouble with Burress, but their best cover man Shawn Springs coming back should also give them a lift.
Txns8
Footballguy
LMFAO. I love these guys with their "Let's see him play 50% of the season, then we'll know for real" theories. You're probably needing to see an MVP season from Favre this year before you'll consider him Hall of Fame worthy.McNabb has been a stud when healthy. The reason this thinking is out there is because he doesn't seem to last. It may be wise to move him around week 5 or 6 when he's a top 3 QB as you don't know if he can make it much longer, but I know if I had him I wouldn't have the nerve to deal a guy carrying my team when I'm 5-1.
Kuz
Footballguy
ok.. So you're saying McNabb won't finish the year with 5776 yards & 48 TD's.. great thank for the insight..
T Bell
Footballguy
Well . . . including injuries.
kris
Footballguy
Why does he have to be either great or suck?
The truth is he's probably somewhere in between. I didn't like him going into the season with a rookie as his WR1 but he looked great against the Rams. Still, the Rams whole team looked ready to give up on the season. He undoubtedly improved after having more recovery time from knee surgery but the lack of talent at WR is concerning.
I think he reaches 24 TDs and 3400 yards now (had him at 20 and 3000 before), but the Rams looked really, really bad.
The bottom line is he's only attained 25 TDs once and that was with TO. He's also never hit 3,900 yards.
Injury also has to be in the back of your mind because he's only managed 33 games sprayed out over the last 3 seasons.
It's a nice story coming out of Philadelphia, but right now is not the time to be buying McNabb.
We all know things can turn around in a hurry and Philly is going from St. Louis to Dallas.
Things are looking up for Donovan but you can't run wild in the streets because he blasted the Rams secondary.
Last year he scored 4 TDs against the Lions and Redskins and 3 against New Orleans, but only finished with 19 total.
I have a hard time believing he's going to get the job done as an elite QB with make shift WRs. It just doesn't work that way in the NFL.
I think he'll be better than I thought, but don't sell the farm to grab McNabb.
The truth is he's probably somewhere in between. I didn't like him going into the season with a rookie as his WR1 but he looked great against the Rams. Still, the Rams whole team looked ready to give up on the season. He undoubtedly improved after having more recovery time from knee surgery but the lack of talent at WR is concerning.
I think he reaches 24 TDs and 3400 yards now (had him at 20 and 3000 before), but the Rams looked really, really bad.
The bottom line is he's only attained 25 TDs once and that was with TO. He's also never hit 3,900 yards.
Injury also has to be in the back of your mind because he's only managed 33 games sprayed out over the last 3 seasons.
It's a nice story coming out of Philadelphia, but right now is not the time to be buying McNabb.
We all know things can turn around in a hurry and Philly is going from St. Louis to Dallas.
Things are looking up for Donovan but you can't run wild in the streets because he blasted the Rams secondary.
Last year he scored 4 TDs against the Lions and Redskins and 3 against New Orleans, but only finished with 19 total.
I have a hard time believing he's going to get the job done as an elite QB with make shift WRs. It just doesn't work that way in the NFL.
I think he'll be better than I thought, but don't sell the farm to grab McNabb.
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Cass Durham
Footballguy
I have never seen a QB do more with less. McNabb never ceases to amaze me.
kris
Footballguy
2006 Tom Brady had 3,500 and 24 with Reche Caldwell as his WR1
dirtywaters20
Footballguy
Yeah I'm aware of that. I was busting his stones because it sounded rather fruity.Dude, he agrees with you. Unbelievably jazzed means he's happy and excited.As a fellow Eagles' fan, I implore you to edit this portion of your post.
McNabb will be a stud this year. He has enough of a surrounding cast (Westbrook, Booker, LJ, Deshaun, Brown, Avant) that when coupled with his renewed mobility & top notch offensive line, it is not at all unreasonable to expect a top 5 finish. The defense ranked last in forcing turnovers & their punt & kick return game were absolutely pathetic last season. He should get some shorter fields to work with this season.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Uh, the Giants secondary ain't exactly scary. I still think that they'll be exposed with the lack of pass rush, Jason Campbell just isn't good enough to take advantage of them.
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