Does Favre still get credit (1 Viewer)

[14464]

hahah heard the same thing, it will be interesting to see once again who will get blamed if GB looses, bet the house Farve won't get mentioned. This is the same crew last year that chuckled when Farve would toss up balls that got intercepted "hahahah that's Farve for ya!!!!"

:rotflmao:

hear them laughing when he crossed the line and flipped it into the endzone? So it's funny that he cost them yards and possibly another INT???Quit **cking laughing chumps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer this tool boy....What would the Packers have done since 1992 if they had a different player at QB?Bash him all you want because it really is amusing.

Impossible question to answer, I don't think in "what if" scenarios, let's stick with the facts.This game mimicks most of Farve's "Big Games"

 

[cracKer]

Answer this tool boy....What would the Packers have done since 1992 if they had a different player at QB?Bash him all you want because it really is amusing.

"The Greatest Show on Frozen Turf":KurtWarner:

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

hahah heard the same thing, it will be interesting to see once again who will get blamed if GB looses, bet the house Farve won't get mentioned. This is the same crew last year that chuckled when Farve would toss up balls that got intercepted "hahahah that's Farve for ya!!!!"

:rotflmao:

hear them laughing when he crossed the line and flipped it into the endzone? So it's funny that he cost them yards and possibly another INT???Quit **cking laughing chumps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer this tool boy....What would the Packers have done since 1992 if they had a different player at QB?Bash him all you want because it really is amusing.

Impossible question to answer, I don't think in "what if" scenarios, let's stick with the facts.This game mimicks most of Farve's "Big Games"

It is not impossible to answer because the Favre bashers can't.

 

[14464]

hahah heard the same thing, it will be interesting to see once again who will get blamed if GB looses, bet the house Farve won't get mentioned. This is the same crew last year that chuckled when Farve would toss up balls that got intercepted "hahahah that's Farve for ya!!!!"

:rotflmao:

hear them laughing when he crossed the line and flipped it into the endzone? So it's funny that he cost them yards and possibly another INT???Quit **cking laughing chumps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer this tool boy....What would the Packers have done since 1992 if they had a different player at QB?Bash him all you want because it really is amusing.

Impossible question to answer, I don't think in "what if" scenarios, let's stick with the facts.This game mimicks most of Farve's "Big Games"

It is not impossible to answer because the Favre bashers can't.

Not really a "basher" more of a "truth teller". Maybe your question should be phrased as followsWhat if Farve didn't blow as many big games in his career?

 

[14464]

oh and ANOTHER INT...3 for the day...of couse NON of them are his fault. :rotflmao:

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

hahah heard the same thing, it will be interesting to see once again who will get blamed if GB looses, bet the house Farve won't get mentioned. This is the same crew last year that chuckled when Farve would toss up balls that got intercepted "hahahah that's Farve for ya!!!!"

:rotflmao:

hear them laughing when he crossed the line and flipped it into the endzone? So it's funny that he cost them yards and possibly another INT???Quit **cking laughing chumps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer this tool boy....What would the Packers have done since 1992 if they had a different player at QB?Bash him all you want because it really is amusing.

Impossible question to answer, I don't think in "what if" scenarios, let's stick with the facts.This game mimicks most of Farve's "Big Games"

It is not impossible to answer because the Favre bashers can't.

Not really a "basher" more of a "truth teller". Maybe your question should be phrased as followsWhat if Farve didn't blow as many big games in his career?

One of the most pathetic things ever written in this forum. The Packers would have never accomplished what they have without Favre as their QB.The Favre haters are a pathetic bunch.

 

[Koya]

He is beginning to get to the point of painting two seperate careers. This isnt "not legendary" and its isnt "not good" - Favre is killing his team. There D is awful, but so is he.ANOTHER interception? This is three post seasons in a row like this (or is it two). Goodness. He will be 1 for his last FIVE playoff games after losing this one, assuming they dont pull out a miracle.

 

[14464]

True but he hasn't done much in terms of winning HUGE games since his SB win which was a long time ago but people still regard him as the same QB.Actually, the DEFENSE is keeping them in the game but Farve is KILLING THEM! Not that I'm counting but that's 4 INT tonight...

 

[Chase Stuart]

I'd say at this point the current Favre does NOT get credit for winning his Super Bowl, great comeback today or not. (I still think this game will be tied at some point).

 

[Koya]

Lets hope can inspire some hope... he is a great fighter.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

I'd say at this point the current Favre does NOT get credit for winning his Super Bowl, great comeback today or not. (I still think this game will be tied at some point).

 

[Perfect Tommy]

The fact is that not one of Favre's interceptions today has been his fault. And there is no QB I would rather have for the big 4th QTR comeback. No reasonable person will blame Favre if the Packers don't come back, and if they do the legend will grow. Make no mistake about it. He is simply great.

 

[14464]

Another BIG TIME LOSS by Farve, HORRIBLE job. Calling all Farve lovers....

 

[Pick]

Favre gets credit for the sack record at least. BUH-BYE PACKIT FANS!

 

[Beergogglz]

The fact is that not one of Favre's interceptions today has been his fault. And there is no QB I would rather have for the big 4th QTR comeback. No reasonable person will blame Favre if the Packers don't come back, and if they do the legend will grow. Make no mistake about it. He is simply great.

best post I've read in a while.....

 

[madviking10]

I BRETT FAVRE !! :rotflmao:

:horns:

 

[Beergogglz]

I'd say at this point the current Favre does NOT get credit for winning his Super Bowl, great comeback today or not. (I still think this game will be tied at some point).

After his performance today, I think Favre lovers will hold onto the glory years of his career even more desperately than they have been up to this point.

 

[Koya]

Lets hope can inspire some hope... he is a great fighter.

Well, so much for that idea.Really has been awful in the postseason for a while.

 

[madviking10]

Answer to the thread title.....

HELL NO !!!

OVERRATED !!!!

:horns:

 

[14464]

I'd say at this point the current Favre does NOT get credit for winning his Super Bowl, great comeback today or not. (I still think this game will be tied at some point).

After his performance today, I think Favre lovers will hold onto the glory years of his career even more desperately than they have been up to this point.

Nah, calling us "Fave haters" and "Why won't you answer my questions" is much much easier.

 

[Jason Wood]

I can't see how anyone can honestly contend that Brett Favre is the same perennial MVP candidate he once was, you just don't throw 4 INTs and expect your team to win a playoff game.

 

[DeCleater]

Good to see you again Creamed, where have you been? Did you have fun today? It seems that all you are interested in is Favre having a bad game. So today you got your wish. It was like Christmas eve for you today, no wait Favre won that game and you were no where to be seen. So now that Favre is out of the playoffs do you find another player to hate or do you save that only for Favre. Like I have said before, when he is inducted into the Hall of Fame you can tell us how lousy he was for over 200 straight games. And not to make excuses because Favre DID have a bad game, but he was down 14-0 before he threw a pass, the first 2 picks the receiver ran the wrong route and another was tipped. But hey, Favre played bad and thats all that matters right Creamed. I'm glad your mom let you stay up and watch the end of the game.

 

[sts911911]

Good to see you again Creamed, where have you been? Did you have fun today? It seems that all you are interested in is Favre having a bad game. So today you got your wish. It was like Christmas eve for you today, no wait Favre won that game and you were no where to be seen. So now that Favre is out of the playoffs do you find another player to hate or do you save that only for Favre. Like I have said before, when he is inducted into the Hall of Fame you can tell us how lousy he was for over 200 straight games. And not to make excuses because Favre DID have a bad game, but he was down 14-0 before he threw a pass, the first 2 picks the receiver ran the wrong route and another was tipped. But hey, Favre played bad and thats all that matters right Creamed. I'm glad your mom let you stay up and watch the end of the game.

No ####, this guy is a real loser. It's obvious Favre isn't the same player, but dude give up the hate.

 

[Koya]

I can't see how anyone can honestly contend that Brett Favre is the same perennial MVP candidate he once was, you just don't throw 4 INTs and expect your team to win a playoff game.

Worse yet when you do it year in and year out, as it seems to be.

 

[Ghost Rider]

This is the fourth postseason in a row that Favre has played poorly in the game the Packers were eliminated in. Favre is still one of the best 7 or 8 QB's in the NFL, but no longer the player he once was. The way the media still kisses his butt is almost comical.

 

[KevT]

Favre = Goatat least in the last couple of postseasonsHe still makes Madden sweat, though

 

[bueno]

Favre is now an average QB that has the occassional great game that reminds everyone of his past glories.Unfortunately, people forget that atheletes skills deteriorate with age.

 

[cracKer]

Brett Favre has played in 20 playoff games.First 10, including Super Bowl victory (7-3)194/317(.61) 2430(7.7), 17/7Second 10, including Super Bowl loss (4-6)207/346(.60) 2472(7.2), 16/19Pretty similar, except for interceptions and W/L (direct correlation)

 

[Beergogglz]

Good to see you again Creamed, where have you been? Did you have fun today? It seems that all you are interested in is Favre having a bad game. So today you got your wish. It was like Christmas eve for you today, no wait Favre won that game and you were no where to be seen. So now that Favre is out of the playoffs do you find another player to hate or do you save that only for Favre. Like I have said before, when he is inducted into the Hall of Fame you can tell us how lousy he was for over 200 straight games. And not to make excuses because Favre DID have a bad game, but he was down 14-0 before he threw a pass, the first 2 picks the receiver ran the wrong route and another was tipped. But hey, Favre played bad and thats all that matters right Creamed. I'm glad your mom let you stay up and watch the end of the game.

Typical pissy "Favre's my idol, so how DARE you say anything bad about him!" reply. Hey De, your boy gave up the ghost last night. That pathetic 4-yards-past-the-line-of-scrimmage toss at the goal line said it all. He's afraid of contact these days -- get to him early and plays like a rattled school girl the rest of the game. Make excuses if you need to (and you do), but truth remains: he's not the QB he once was, and giving him a lifetime achievement pass for the all too familiar crap-the-bed performances like this one does nothing but make ya look foolish.....

 

[Beergogglz]

Brett Favre has played in 20 playoff games.

First 10, including Super Bowl victory (7-3)

194/317(.61) 2430(7.7), 17/7

Second 10, including Super Bowl loss (4-6)

207/346(.60) 2472(7.2), 16/19

Pretty similar, except for interceptions and W/L (direct correlation)

Good info, Shawn. The Favre worshipers will try and spin it, though, and blame anyone and everyone else for the downward spiral. After all, it just can't be Favre's fault, ya know?

 

[Tough As Nails]

So we can officially put to rest the 'if you had just one game to win, you would pick Favre as your QB' talk...right? He has been below average in big 'have to win' games over the past 7 years. That's a long period of time to be a below average NFL QB in the playoffs.

 

[Bull Dozier]

So we can officially put to rest the 'if you had just one game to win, you would pick Favre as your QB' talk...right? He has been below average in big 'have to win' games over the past 7 years. That's a long period of time to be a below average NFL QB in the playoffs.

I think Brady has taken that mantle from Favre as of now, and anyone who would pick someone else, after the last three years, is crazy (and I'm a big Favre backer).Still, if I'm down by 4 with 1:20 on the clock with the ball at my own 20, I'd taken Favre without a second though even after yesterday.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Still, if I'm down by 4 with 1:20 on the clock with the ball at my own 20, I'd taken Favre without a second though even after yesterday.

And your team would likely end up with a loss.

 

[Tough As Nails]

So we can officially put to rest the 'if you had just one game to win, you would pick Favre as your QB' talk...right? He has been below average in big 'have to win' games over the past 7 years. That's a long period of time to be a below average NFL QB in the playoffs.

I think Brady has taken that mantle from Favre as of now, and anyone who would pick someone else, after the last three years, is crazy (and I'm a big Favre backer).Still, if I'm down by 4 with 1:20 on the clock with the ball at my own 20, I'd taken Favre without a second though even after yesterday.

I think you would take 1997 Favre. I really don't think you'd take 2005 Favre.

 

[JohnnyU]

So we can officially put to rest the 'if you had just one game to win, you would pick Favre as your QB' talk...right? He has been below average in big 'have to win' games over the past 7 years. That's a long period of time to be a below average NFL QB in the playoffs.

I think Brady has taken that mantle from Favre as of now, and anyone who would pick someone else, after the last three years, is crazy (and I'm a big Favre backer).Still, if I'm down by 4 with 1:20 on the clock with the ball at my own 20, I'd taken Favre without a second though even after yesterday.

I think you would take 1997 Favre. I really don't think you'd take 2005 Favre.

Johnny Unitas invented the two minute drill, but I would take Montana over everyone else.

 

[Tough As Nails]

So we can officially put to rest the 'if you had just one game to win, you would pick Favre as your QB' talk...right? He has been below average in big 'have to win' games over the past 7 years. That's a long period of time to be a below average NFL QB in the playoffs.

I think Brady has taken that mantle from Favre as of now, and anyone who would pick someone else, after the last three years, is crazy (and I'm a big Favre backer).Still, if I'm down by 4 with 1:20 on the clock with the ball at my own 20, I'd taken Favre without a second though even after yesterday.

I think you would take 1997 Favre. I really don't think you'd take 2005 Favre.

Johnny Unitas invented the two minute drill, but I would take Montana over everyone else.

If we are talking all-time...I agree. Montana is tops on the list with Elway right on his heels. But I still hear people (TV and radio guys in particular) who use the 'one guy to win one game' line with Brett Favre. It is simply not the case anymore. That was maybe true from about '96-'00. But there is no way you would put Favre at the top of your list for one game in 2004/05. Yet the comment is still made. I don't think you'll hear that comment made next season.

 

[rhawkins68]

This thread is a joke. No one looks at the whole picture especially the basher but the supporters ignore alot also. Blame Farve for everything if you want but it just shows your lack of knowledge on the sport.Everyone should just acknowlge Farve is one of the top 10 QB's in the league still and one of the top 5 all time. Sure he's not the great QB everyone remember's but top 10 is not all that bad.Is he the one guy currently that you want under center with the game on the line. No he is not I believe him to be the fifth best in the league right now so I would choose Brady, Manning, Culpepper, McNabb over Farve.I believe Farve will consider retirment after this year but play out one more season trying to get to the big game. Which without support on Defense will not happen.Now to anyone who ONLY blames Farve for the Vikings loss open your eyes. He was missing alot of weapons and had alot of damaged weapons on offense. Also, who truly expected the Packers to win. Culppepper and company had been eating the Pack D alive and barely lost each time. The team that won is the team who's defense stepped up the most which the Vikings had.Farve is to blame for all but tipped interceptions in my book. It's just to hard to actually know if a WR ran the wrong route as explained by the announcers. So he played a huge part in the loss but so did the Defense that couldn't stop a highschool team.

 

[Tough As Nails]

Also, who truly expected the Packers to win.

Ummm...just about everybody. The CNNSI and the ESPN expert's picks were all unanimous in picking the Packers to win. That's a ton of well informed people publicly expecting the Packers to win. Another year, another disappointment for the Packers. It has been a long time since a Green Bay team has lived up to expectations. A big part of that has to fall on the shoulders of the team leader.

 

[ttiger72]

This thread is a joke. No one looks at the whole picture especially the basher but the supporters ignore alot also. Blame Farve for everything if you want but it just shows your lack of knowledge on the sport.Everyone should just acknowlge Farve is one of the top 10 QB's in the league still and one of the top 5 all time. Sure he's not the great QB everyone remember's but top 10 is not all that bad.Is he the one guy currently that you want under center with the game on the line. No he is not I believe him to be the fifth best in the league right now so I would choose Brady, Manning, Culpepper, McNabb over Farve.I believe Farve will consider retirment after this year but play out one more season trying to get to the big game. Which without support on Defense will not happen.Now to anyone who ONLY blames Farve for the Vikings loss open your eyes. He was missing alot of weapons and had alot of damaged weapons on offense. Also, who truly expected the Packers to win. Culppepper and company had been eating the Pack D alive and barely lost each time. The team that won is the team who's defense stepped up the most which the Vikings had.Farve is to blame for all but tipped interceptions in my book. It's just to hard to actually know if a WR ran the wrong route as explained by the announcers. So he played a huge part in the loss but so did the Defense that couldn't stop a highschool team.

I would think that the receivers not being in "tune" with Favre, had a lot to do with the interceptions...perfect example is Walker breaking the route off, Favre throwing to where he would have been, except as Favre throws Walker breaks the route up again.Favre didn't play great, but there is plenty of blame to go around.Oh and Sherman if you are listening...how about going after some CBs this year??? Please???

 

[Bull Dozier]

So we can officially put to rest the 'if you had just one game to win, you would pick Favre as your QB' talk...right? He has been below average in big 'have to win' games over the past 7 years. That's a long period of time to be a below average NFL QB in the playoffs.

I think Brady has taken that mantle from Favre as of now, and anyone who would pick someone else, after the last three years, is crazy (and I'm a big Favre backer).Still, if I'm down by 4 with 1:20 on the clock with the ball at my own 20, I'd taken Favre without a second though even after yesterday.

I think you would take 1997 Favre. I really don't think you'd take 2005 Favre.

Johnny Unitas invented the two minute drill, but I would take Montana over everyone else.

If we are talking all-time...I agree. Montana is tops on the list with Elway right on his heels. But I still hear people (TV and radio guys in particular) who use the 'one guy to win one game' line with Brett Favre. It is simply not the case anymore. That was maybe true from about '96-'00. But there is no way you would put Favre at the top of your list for one game in 2004/05. Yet the comment is still made. I don't think you'll hear that comment made next season.

Well, are we talking current QBs, or are we talking all time?Right now, if I'm down by 4 with 1:20 on the clock and can take a current QB? I'll take Favre. If you have one game to play, no, Favre is not the man anymore. More often than not these days you don't get the '97 Favre who makes impossible throws, now you get the INT machine. Still, with one drive to go, and the game on the line, I don't think there is anyone better. I'm not saying it is a guaranteed win, but I like his chances as much as anyone. If he's on, he's unstoppable.If we're talking all time, that's a tough choice. Obviously Unitas is a legend, but I didn't get to watch any of his games to know how he really played. Montana was great, and had a couple of legendary late game performances. Elway and Marino (along with Montana) were all time greats bringing a team back. Picking any of these guys, including Favre, is a tough thing to do. However, since I'm a MN fan, and Favre is the player I've seen the most of any of these groups, I'd still have to go Favre in his prime. He was amazing to watch. I do say that with the caveat that if someone else picks another player on that list, I can't argue too strenuously.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Is he the one guy currently that you want under center with the game on the line. No he is not I believe him to be the fifth best in the league right now so I would choose Brady, Manning, Culpepper, McNabb over Farve.

You'd pick Culpepper over Favre with the game on the line? When has Culpepper displayed his great comeback ability?

 

[rhawkins68]

Also, who truly expected the Packers to win.

Ummm...just about everybody. The CNNSI and the ESPN expert's picks were all unanimous in picking the Packers to win. That's a ton of well informed people publicly expecting the Packers to win. Another year, another disappointment for the Packers. It has been a long time since a Green Bay team has lived up to expectations. A big part of that has to fall on the shoulders of the team leader.

I think alot of it is what we see in these forums. A lot of so called experts who are biased. I mean the so called experts feel a need to pick the packers and not go against the trend. I mean after all they are playing in Green Bay right? I watched both of the games and the Vikes just sliced the Packers defense for big plays time after time. The distrubing thing about the big plays were they were not appear to be designed big plays. Just the result of very, very poor tackling and support. Although, I wanted the packers to win butI could easily see them losing and just could not fathom actually picking them to win.So in watching the past two games I just do not see how anyone could pick the packers to win this game. I do not care if you an expert on TV watching the games you should have realized it was a toss up on which defense played better and in my opinion both times it was the Vikings who made the Packers march the field unlike the packers who let you turn a 5 yrd dump play into a 35 yd touchdown when 3 players missed tackles.

 

[Jason Wood]

This thread is a joke. No one looks at the whole picture especially the basher but the supporters ignore alot also. Blame Farve for everything if you want but it just shows your lack of knowledge on the sport.Everyone should just acknowlge Farve is one of the top 10 QB's in the league still and one of the top 5 all time. Sure he's not the great QB everyone remember's but top 10 is not all that bad.Is he the one guy currently that you want  under center with the game on the line. No he is not I believe him to be the fifth best in the league right now so I would choose Brady, Manning, Culpepper, McNabb over Farve.I believe Farve will consider retirment after this year but play out one more season trying to get to the big game.  Which without support on Defense will not happen.Now to anyone who ONLY blames Farve for the Vikings loss open your eyes.  He was missing alot of weapons and had alot of damaged weapons on offense.  Also, who truly expected the Packers to win.  Culppepper and company had been eating the Pack  D alive and barely lost each time.  The team that won is the team who's defense stepped up the most which the Vikings had.Farve is to blame for all but tipped interceptions in my book.  It's just to hard to actually know if a WR ran the wrong route as explained by the announcers.  So he played a huge part in the loss but so did the Defense that couldn't stop a highschool team.

I would think that the receivers not being in "tune" with Favre, had a lot to do with the interceptions...perfect example is Walker breaking the route off, Favre throwing to where he would have been, except as Favre throws Walker breaks the route up again.Favre didn't play great, but there is plenty of blame to go around.Oh and Sherman if you are listening...how about going after some CBs this year??? Please???

Just to clarify here...it's not Sherman's lack of pursuing corners that's been the problem, it's that the corners they've acquired haven't done the job.1) Traded for Al Harris (despite any Eagles fan knowing he was no better than a nickel back)2) Played hard ball with Mike McKenzie in an overestimation of the team's younger corners as viable replacements3) Drafted Ahmad Carroll (who is arguably the worst starting corner in the NFL) and Joey Thomas in '04, Marques Anderson in '02 and Bhawoh Jue in '01

 

[rhawkins68]

Is he the one guy currently that you want under center with the game on the line. No he is not I believe him to be the fifth best in the league right now so I would choose Brady, Manning, Culpepper, McNabb over Farve.

You'd pick Culpepper over Favre with the game on the line? When has Culpepper displayed his great comeback ability?

Great come back ability is about more than the QB. I do not take to the show me where he's proved mentality. I would rather look at talent and go from there. What I would look for in a QB in that situation in no certain order1> Passing ability - Culpepper2> Leadership - Farve3> Pocket mobility - Culpepper4> No Mistakes - Culpepper5> Level head - CulpepperCulpepper is a better QB than Farve right now. I take the best QB and do not look at historical issues or feelings. Just rewatch the game. Culpepper was composed and performed well where Farve stunk the place up. Both QB's knew they could not depend on the defense and one outplayed the other.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Is he the one guy currently that you want  under center with the game on the line. No he is not I believe him to be the fifth best in the league right now so I would choose Brady, Manning, Culpepper, McNabb over Farve.

You'd pick Culpepper over Favre with the game on the line? When has Culpepper displayed his great comeback ability?

Great come back ability is about more than the QB. I do not take to the show me where he's proved mentality. I would rather look at talent and go from there. What I would look for in a QB in that situation in no certain order1> Passing ability - Culpepper2> Leadership - Farve3> Pocket mobility - Culpepper4> No Mistakes - Culpepper5> Level head - CulpepperCulpepper is a better QB than Farve right now. I take the best QB and do not look at historical issues or feelings. Just rewatch the game. Culpepper was composed and performed well where Farve stunk the place up. Both QB's knew they could not depend on the defense and one outplayed the other.

I respectfully disagree with your ratings. Passer ability-Favre hands down. Culpepper's completion percentage is one of the most misrepresentative stats in all of sports. An undue amount of his passes are bail out passes to players in the flat on third and long when another QB would throw the ball down field. Culpepper is average hitting a player crossing the field, and a tremendous amount of his completions are to players standing still or coming back to the ball. Favre ability to hit a player in stride far superceed Culpeppers.Leadership-Agreed on FavrePocket mobility-Agreed on CulpepperNo mistakes-Toss up. With either player, you get either the good or bad. Culpepper has limited his mistakes this year, but I see nothing that guarantees the bad won't return in the future. If you're grading this year alone, then I'd agree with Culpepper, though I don't think it is a large edge.Level head-Favre. Culpepper unravels big time when things are down. Favre keeps his cool. While the Favre pass when he was past the line of scrimmage was a stupid mistake, it wasn't one that was going to haunt Culpepper. If things start going bad for Culpepper, he has a harder time righting the ship.What do you honestly think Favre would have done with the talent MN had on offense this year? If he had MN playcalling (ie, no running game inside the 10, just throw it baby), and Moss/Burleson/Robinson at receiver, do you think Culpeppers numbers would overshadow Favres?Also, I do not think equally talented players are always equally talented in the clutch. Some have a knack for coming up big when needed. Others don't. I haven't seen anything from Culpepper that makes me think he can reach deep down and find something more when needed.

 

[reg]

Is he the one guy currently that you want under center with the game on the line. No he is not I believe him to be the fifth best in the league right now so I would choose Brady, Manning, Culpepper, McNabb over Farve.

You'd pick Culpepper over Favre with the game on the line? When has Culpepper displayed his great comeback ability?

There has been a few times that Culpepper has driven down the field late in the game for what should be a game winning drive, only to have the defense allow the other team to score.

 

[Tough As Nails]

Also, who truly expected the Packers to win.

Ummm...just about everybody. The CNNSI and the ESPN expert's picks were all unanimous in picking the Packers to win. That's a ton of well informed people publicly expecting the Packers to win. Another year, another disappointment for the Packers. It has been a long time since a Green Bay team has lived up to expectations. A big part of that has to fall on the shoulders of the team leader.

I think alot of it is what we see in these forums. A lot of so called experts who are biased. I mean the so called experts feel a need to pick the packers and not go against the trend. I mean after all they are playing in Green Bay right? I watched both of the games and the Vikes just sliced the Packers defense for big plays time after time. The distrubing thing about the big plays were they were not appear to be designed big plays. Just the result of very, very poor tackling and support. Although, I wanted the packers to win butI could easily see them losing and just could not fathom actually picking them to win.So in watching the past two games I just do not see how anyone could pick the packers to win this game. I do not care if you an expert on TV watching the games you should have realized it was a toss up on which defense played better and in my opinion both times it was the Vikings who made the Packers march the field unlike the packers who let you turn a 5 yrd dump play into a 35 yd touchdown when 3 players missed tackles.

Hindsight is 20-20. The experts, the oddsmakers, the people on this board, the general public. They were all picking the Packers to win. I don't care what you thought...you made the comment that 'nobody expected the Packers to win.' That's simply not true. Nearly everyone (with you being the exception I guess) expected the Packers to win.

 

[rhawkins68]

Nearly everyone (with you being the exception I guess) expected the Packers to win.

If nearly everyone expected the Packers to win that meant some did not. So I doubt I was the exception.

Hindsight is 20-20.

Here's what I had to say earlier. In a thread titled "Vikings Take Issue With Moss' Stupidity, Birk, Culpepper Take Moss To Task". So I am not all of the sudden changing my position in hind sight.

Jan 4 2005, 06:57 PMNot really.They played close and appear to be equally matched. I figure as a Packers fan that the Vikings win this one. It's hard to be a team three times when you play as close as these two teams have.

Of course I did not elaborate on the point which I do alot until some one says something about my brief posts. But did not feel the packers were going to win for several reasons.

The experts, the oddsmakers, the people on this board, the general public

Experts oddsmakers I would not know. I do not watch them unless there talking during my game. I tivo and watch them during the week. I know here in Texas people were picking the Vikings to win and some the Packers. This board split 70 for packers 30 for Vikings. Once again I am pretty sure I was not THE exception. The general public would depend on where your from. I talked to alot of co-workers prior and we ALL agreed the Vikings win it.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Is he the one guy currently that you want  under center with the game on the line. No he is not I believe him to be the fifth best in the league right now so I would choose Brady, Manning, Culpepper, McNabb over Farve.

You'd pick Culpepper over Favre with the game on the line? When has Culpepper displayed his great comeback ability?

There has been a few times that Culpepper has driven down the field late in the game for what should be a game winning drive, only to have the defense allow the other team to score.

Good point. This is true. Still, with an equally ranked defense, Favre has 4 4th quarter comebacks in the last 7 weeks of the season. Granted, 4th quarter comebacks are largely due to situational opportunity, but Favre shows me he still has the ability. Culpepper hasn't sold me on his, consistently or otherwise, yet.

 

[Jason Wood]

I respectfully disagree with your ratings.

Passer ability-Favre hands down. Culpepper's completion percentage is one of the most misrepresentative stats in all of sports. An undue amount of his passes are bail out passes to players in the flat on third and long when another QB would throw the ball down field. Culpepper is average hitting a player crossing the field, and a tremendous amount of his completions are to players standing still or coming back to the ball. Favre ability to hit a player in stride far superceed Culpeppers.

You may believe what you're saying Dozier, but the facts don't back you up.Average Yards per Attempt 2004 -- Culpepper (8.61) vs. Favre (7.61)

Average YPA Career -- Culpepper (7.8) vs. Favre (7.1)