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Does Mike Furrey Suck? (1 Viewer)

Fullback Fro

Fullback Fro

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Many think Mike Furrey is a product of they Martz system which he is. But does he suck at being a WR? Is the Detroit the only team were he COULD have some resemblance his 07 season. Could he make it on another team or does he just suck outright?

 
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Fullback Fro said:
Many think Mike Furrey is a product of they Martz system which he is. But does he suck at being a WR? Is the Detroit the only team were he COULD have some resemblance his 07 season. Could he make it on another team or does he just suck outright?
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He is slow... good possession receiver, but I don't think he'd have as high a ypc in any other system.
 
I dont think he sucks. the word you are looking for is undertalented.

The guy works hard and knows the system. there were times last year that I thought him & Kitna were the only two Lions that gave a crap.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I dont think he sucks. the word you are looking for is undertalented. The guy works hard and knows the system. there were times last year that I thought him & Kitna were the only two Lions that gave a crap.
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Seems a bit like Wayne Chrebet. Classic overachiever. Big heart, limited talent.
 
switz said:
Fullback Fro said:
Many think Mike Furrey is a product of they Martz system which he is. But does he suck at being a WR? Is the Detroit the only team were he COULD have some resemblance his 07 season. Could he make it on another team or does he just suck outright?
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He is slow... good possession receiver, but I don't think he'd have as high a ypc in any other system.
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Furrey is not slow! May not be a burner..but not slow.I went to a couple of Lions games last year and he was 'always" open. with roy Williams on the other side chalk up another 90 catch season.
 
gman8343 said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I dont think he sucks. the word you are looking for is undertalented. The guy works hard and knows the system. there were times last year that I thought him & Kitna were the only two Lions that gave a crap.
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Seems a bit like Wayne Chrebet. Classic overachiever. Big heart, limited talent.
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Yea if anything guys like furrey should be praised by fans, if all the guys on the field gave as much effort as him it would be a better game for it
 
He is a product of his situation, which would be a team playing from behind...always...in an offense that is already pass early and often oriented. Add in the fact the Lions had substantial problems on defense and, well, it is easy to see how his numbers were inflated.

As a life long Lions fan, I can say I applaud his effort and like the human intangible part of his game. He is good for that team. He gets it and is making the most of his opportunity and limited skill set. He is a nice human interest story and one of the few things good about the Lions. Also, a little credit where credit is due, as he did make the most of his situation on the field. Conversely, I am not sure how or if he would fit onto another NFL starting line-up.

 
Sort of a stupid thread title.... based on his stats alone. How good is he would be more appropriate me thinks.

I like the Chrebet comparison. He doesn't have a boatload of NFL caliber talent, but he's a tough team oriented football player. He converted to safety without a peep of discontent for the Rams. That sort of guy is a rarity in the NFL. Like Chrebet, he's fearless over the middle, runs good routes and has sure hands. Everything you want in a possession reciever. He is also the sort of guy that brings intangables to a team. Leadership by example.

In short, I'd love to have him on the Jets. The word 'sucks" should only be attached to a select group of guys.... like David Terrell for instance.

 
gman8343 said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I dont think he sucks. the word you are looking for is undertalented. The guy works hard and knows the system. there were times last year that I thought him & Kitna were the only two Lions that gave a crap.
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Seems a bit like Wayne Chrebet. Classic overachiever. Big heart, limited talent.
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I think that is the best comparison you could give for the guy. If he is able to conitinue, he will be beloved in Detroit just as Chrebit was in NY.
 
Rovers said:
Sort of a stupid thread title.... based on his stats alone. How good is he would be more appropriate me thinks.

I like the Chrebet comparison. He doesn't have a boatload of NFL caliber talent, but he's a tough team oriented football player. He converted to safety without a peep of discontent for the Rams. That sort of guy is a rarity in the NFL. Like Chrebet, he's fearless over the middle, runs good routes and has sure hands. Everything you want in a possession reciever. He is also the sort of guy that brings intangables to a team. Leadership by example.

In short, I'd love to have him on the Jets. The word 'sucks" should only be attached to a select group of guys.... like David Terrell for instance.
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Actually, the thread title is perfect. It proves a point. If the thread title said "How good is Furrey?" it most likely would die a quick death. There has actually been quality discussion in here. On the other hand, I started the thread to prove to someone I was having an argument with that Furrey does indeed not suck. He is a good player who is the opposite of suck. Most posts in the thread have strengthened my argument.

 
Fullback Fro said:
Rovers said:
Sort of a stupid thread title.... based on his stats alone. How good is he would be more appropriate me thinks.

I like the Chrebet comparison. He doesn't have a boatload of NFL caliber talent, but he's a tough team oriented football player. He converted to safety without a peep of discontent for the Rams. That sort of guy is a rarity in the NFL. Like Chrebet, he's fearless over the middle, runs good routes and has sure hands. Everything you want in a possession reciever. He is also the sort of guy that brings intangables to a team. Leadership by example.

In short, I'd love to have him on the Jets. The word 'sucks" should only be attached to a select group of guys.... like David Terrell for instance.
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Actually, the thread title is perfect. It proves a point. If the thread title said "How good is Furrey?" it most likely would die a quick death. There has actually been quality discussion in here. On the other hand, I started the thread to prove to someone I was having an argument with that Furrey does indeed not suck. He is a good player who is the opposite of suck. Most posts in the thread have strengthened my argument.
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You can tell your a vet to the Pool, when you know how to make a post that has staying power.
 
Does he suck? No, but he's not overly talented either. I agree he's an overacheiver but others with supposedly more talent had the same chance to put up some good numbers but for one reason or another didn't. Granted he knew the system well and that helped but he produced and that's all you can ask. Will he put up the same numbers this year? Probably not but I think the signing of McDonald instead of Curtis will help more than hurt him.

 
Chrebet is a good comparison but he reminds me more of Troy Brown.

I think Furrey could play on any team in the NFL (regardless of system) because he is a hardworking professional who will do whatever it takes to help the team win. I don't be;ieve he would put up the same numbers with any other team but he could still make a solid contribution. That says as much about the talent on the Lions as it does about Furrey...he did beat out such "talents" as Charles Rogers and Mike Williams to earn his spot on the field.

 
Last year he was WR19 in my non-PPR leagues, and WR13 in my PPR league.

Hardly suckage.

 
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Fullback Fro said:
Rovers said:
Sort of a stupid thread title.... based on his stats alone. How good is he would be more appropriate me thinks.

I like the Chrebet comparison. He doesn't have a boatload of NFL caliber talent, but he's a tough team oriented football player. He converted to safety without a peep of discontent for the Rams. That sort of guy is a rarity in the NFL. Like Chrebet, he's fearless over the middle, runs good routes and has sure hands. Everything you want in a possession reciever. He is also the sort of guy that brings intangables to a team. Leadership by example.

In short, I'd love to have him on the Jets. The word 'sucks" should only be attached to a select group of guys.... like David Terrell for instance.
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Actually, the thread title is perfect. It proves a point. If the thread title said "How good is Furrey?" it most likely would die a quick death. There has actually been quality discussion in here. On the other hand, I started the thread to prove to someone I was having an argument with that Furrey does indeed not suck. He is a good player who is the opposite of suck. Most posts in the thread have strengthened my argument.
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I have more faith in the folks who frequent this board to have a solid topic with legs than having to try and sell a thread with an over the top thread title.... but that's just me. I would have commented in any case. Maybe it's true..... sensationalism sells, even if it's a silly premise.
 
6'0 receiver that catch 1,000 yards in a season don't suck. He did have his first 1,000 yard season at age 29, which is pretty old. I think as a general matter, the talent level of a player to not have a 1,000 yard season until at an older age could be fairly debated. Here's a list of all WRs whose first 1,000 yard season came at age 29 or later, sorted by year (ascending):

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Pete Retzlaff	   34	1965Frank Lewis		 32	1979Elbert Dubenion	 31	1964JT Smith			31	1986Eddie Kennison	  31	2004Pete Pihos		  30	1953Ahmad Rashad		30	1979Mervyn Fernandez	30	1989Reggie Langhorne	30	1993Quinn Early		 30	1995Tony Martin		 30	1995Brett Perriman	  30	1995Ed McCaffrey		30	1998Troy Brown		  30	2001Willie Jackson	  30	2001Don Hutson		  29	1942Jim Benton		  29	1945Johnny Morris	   29	1964Charlie Joiner	  29	1976Freddie Scott	   29	1981Drew Hill		   29	1985Stephone Paige	  29	1990Irving Fryar		29	1991Raghib Ismail	   29	1998O.J. McDuffie	   29	1998Qadry Ismail		29	1999Mike Furrey		 29	2006T.J. Houshmandzadeh 29	2006
Guys like Quinn Early, Brett Perriman, Troy Brown, Ed McCaffrey, O.J. McDuffie, etc, were not known IIRC as uber athletes, but rather solid football players. I think Houshmanzadeh could probably fit that mold, too.
 
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There's also the whole thing about playing safety for a while with the Rams. The guy can play positions on both sides of the ball. To me, that speaks to athleticism, intelligence, and "want it." Good, solid football player who has taken advantage of being in a friendly system/situation. He isn't going number one in any fantasy drafts, but he most definitely doesn't "suck."

 
DocGonzo said:
There's also the whole thing about playing safety for a while with the Rams. The guy can play positions on both sides of the ball. To me, that speaks to athleticism, intelligence, and "want it." Good, solid football player who has taken advantage of being in a friendly system/situation. He isn't going number one in any fantasy drafts, but he most definitely doesn't "suck."
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Sounds like the kind of guy who could find himself a Patriot one day :banned:
 
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gman8343 said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I dont think he sucks. the word you are looking for is undertalented. The guy works hard and knows the system. there were times last year that I thought him & Kitna were the only two Lions that gave a crap.
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Seems a bit like Wayne Chrebet. Classic overachiever. Big heart, limited talent.
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ebcpastor2004 said:
DocGonzo said:
There's also the whole thing about playing safety for a while with the Rams. The guy can play positions on both sides of the ball. To me, that speaks to athleticism, intelligence, and "want it." Good, solid football player who has taken advantage of being in a friendly system/situation. He isn't going number one in any fantasy drafts, but he most definitely doesn't "suck."
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Sounds like the kind of guy who could find himself a Patriot one day :blackdot:
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Indeed. But in the meantime you Patriots keep your hands off one of our few good players!
 
I was pretty disappointed to see the likes of Mike Furrey at the WR2 position, given the amount of 1st round WRs drafted in recent years. However, I think he had a superb season, especially considering it was his first since converting from a DB.

Does he suck? No way...he can play WR in this league. Did the much of the talent surrounding him suck, allowing him to have a very solid season? YES. Many other teams, he'd be no higher than a WR3.

 
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I think "white" is the word you are looking for. He leads his team in picks one season, and leads his team in catches the next. Yeah, he sucks.

 
Fullback Fro said:
Actually, the thread title is perfect. It proves a point. If the thread title said "How good is Furrey?" it most likely would die a quick death.
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:lmao: Why, because it makes sense? Saying "how good is he" wouldn't imply he's great, but it would have made a lot more sense for a guy coming off of a good year. OTOH saying "how much does he suck" was an obvious "please pay attention to my thread" move - anyway back to the topic - I agree that playing on a team in catch-up mode a lot probably helped his stats and he isn't flashy to say the least....and I expect a drop in numbers, sure. But on a team with a so-so QB who threw more picks than TDs, an average at best OL, and a team that generally sucked, a WR going for about 100/1100/6....I'm going out on a limb and saying he doesn't suck. The fact that he wasn't a high draft pick and is older etc doesn't change that. Hell in one year he did far more than Rogers and Mike Wms have done in their careers combined. It just shows how pure athletic ability is far from everything - imainge what some of these morons who are so athletically gifted could do if they weren't morons.Anyway Looks like another WR in Round 1 for DET. kick ###....
 
Da Guru said:
switz said:
Fullback Fro said:
Many think Mike Furrey is a product of they Martz system which he is. But does he suck at being a WR? Is the Detroit the only team were he COULD have some resemblance his 07 season. Could he make it on another team or does he just suck outright?
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He is slow... good possession receiver, but I don't think he'd have as high a ypc in any other system.
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Furrey is not slow! May not be a burner..but not slow.I went to a couple of Lions games last year and he was 'always" open. with roy Williams on the other side chalk up another 90 catch season.
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Furrey is the definition of slow... you don't need speed to get open, you need quickness, they are different. Furrey's 40-yard-dash was over 4.5 - SLOW. It's not an insult, there are alot of slow WRs that are excellent despite their lack of top flight speed.However, alot of Furrey's getting open is due to Martz's schemes.
 
switz said:
Furrey is the definition of slow... you don't need speed to get open, you need quickness, they are different. Furrey's 40-yard-dash was over 4.5 - SLOW.
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That's not exceedingly slow, it's just not fast. WRs run a 4.4 and people are talking about how fast they are (although why I don't know). I think Rice ran a 4.6+ at his combine, and he was never known as slow. I'd say Furrey is average on speed overall. Or is this just because he's white :ph34r:
 
BigRed said:
switz said:
Furrey is the definition of slow... you don't need speed to get open, you need quickness, they are different. Furrey's 40-yard-dash was over 4.5 - SLOW.
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That's not exceedingly slow, it's just not fast. WRs run a 4.4 and people are talking about how fast they are (although why I don't know). I think Rice ran a 4.6+ at his combine, and he was never known as slow. I'd say Furrey is average on speed overall. Or is this just because he's white :wub:
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Yeah except he is likely much slower now... considering that was from when he entered the league, and was playing safety...FYI Rice ran in the 4.4s linky

P.S. - I'm white, I run a 4.52 40, and I would never say I have NFL speed...

 
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Fro..I think you may be missing the point.

There are always a handful of what I will call "largent types" in the NFL. Chrebet is a perfect example, Finneran, Wes Welker, and The dude in tenn the past few years whose name escapes me. Another guy was Orande Gadsden in Miami as well. Players who don't have the complete package, but stiull get the job done for the particular system run by their particular team.

Furrey is one of those guys. He finds the open spot that he needs to in a mike martz offense. He may get no love, but like chrebet, gadsden, or welker, he is a hell of a player in your #2/#3 wr role if need be (FF wise)

 
Gatorman said:
Fro..I think you may be missing the point.There are always a handful of what I will call "largent types" in the NFL. Chrebet is a perfect example, Finneran, Wes Welker, and The dude in tenn the past few years whose name escapes me. Another guy was Orande Gadsden in Miami as well. Players who don't have the complete package, but stiull get the job done for the particular system run by their particular team.Furrey is one of those guys. He finds the open spot that he needs to in a mike martz offense. He may get no love, but like chrebet, gadsden, or welker, he is a hell of a player in your #2/#3 wr role if need be (FF wise)
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largent is a hall of fame player, I think Chrebet type is more like it.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Gatorman said:
Fro..I think you may be missing the point.There are always a handful of what I will call "largent types" in the NFL. Chrebet is a perfect example, Finneran, Wes Welker, and The dude in tenn the past few years whose name escapes me. Another guy was Orande Gadsden in Miami as well. Players who don't have the complete package, but stiull get the job done for the particular system run by their particular team.Furrey is one of those guys. He finds the open spot that he needs to in a mike martz offense. He may get no love, but like chrebet, gadsden, or welker, he is a hell of a player in your #2/#3 wr role if need be (FF wise)
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largent is a hall of fame player, I think Chrebet type is more like it.
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I knew someone would chime in with that. Largent was a great player, but he was not all world in the measurables
 
"Hard working, good hands, not the fastest guy"

Is there a script we can write for white WRs that just spit out these words using the F10 key or something?

 
People evaluate wide receivers too much on physical skills and not enough on route-running, hands, etc. Mike Furrey's a good WR.

That said... I don't see him as a value pick for this upcoming season at all. Shaun McDonald was ahead of Furrey on the depth chart in St. Louis under Martz. I could easily see him surpassing Furrey in Detroit as well, or at least giving the Lions a solid third receiver to eat into those reception totals. Roy Williams is the only sure bet in the Detroit passing game.

 
Gatorman said:
Fro..I think you may be missing the point.There are always a handful of what I will call "largent types" in the NFL. Chrebet is a perfect example, Finneran, Wes Welker, and The dude in tenn the past few years whose name escapes me. Another guy was Orande Gadsden in Miami as well. Players who don't have the complete package, but stiull get the job done for the particular system run by their particular team.Furrey is one of those guys. He finds the open spot that he needs to in a mike martz offense. He may get no love, but like chrebet, gadsden, or welker, he is a hell of a player in your #2/#3 wr role if need be (FF wise)
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The point I was trying to make to the Detroit fan I was having an argument is that . . while he may not be a "talented" wr, he is certianly a good wr. And that inheritly means he does not suck.
 
Rovers said:
Um... Chrebet had very average speed... he certainly wasn't "NFL fast".
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Chrebet had slow wheels, but amazing lateral speed. I saw him caught from behind too many times to say that he wasn't slower than the average defensive back. Near the end of his career he ran like a slow tight end.... :popcorn:
 
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