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Does Revis Cover Welker? (1 Viewer)

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The Chicken Roaster

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What's the history here for these two? Even though Welker plays in the slot, he's obviously their #1 WR so would you assume Revis would be on him the majority of the game? As someone who goes against Welker this week, I certainly hope so.

So for people who are more familiar with the Jets and Pats, what do you expect the Jets gameplan to be for Welker this Sunday?

 
They move Welker around too much and NYJ aren't playing man all game or the TEs will eat them alive. Revising may focus on Welker but I'm not sure that it will even matter given the nature of Welker's short routes.

 
'The Chicken Roaster said:
What's the history here for these two? Even though Welker plays in the slot, he's obviously their #1 WR so would you assume Revis would be on him the majority of the game? As someone who goes against Welker this week, I certainly hope so.So for people who are more familiar with the Jets and Pats, what do you expect the Jets gameplan to be for Welker this Sunday?
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In the past he hasn't. He's been on Moss and then Branch. As good as Revis is, my guess is Welker is the type of WR that could still get a decent amount of catches against him because of his "quicks" and short routes.It's possible that Revis does get matched up with Welker this week, but it hasn't been the case in the past. The team drafted Kyle Wilson with the thought of making him the guy who would cover the slot WRs, but he was beat by Welker last season pretty consistently. Revis will likely shut down Branch or perhaps cover Hernandez should he pplay this week.I think the Jets try and double Welker with Wilson or Strickland with help from Smith or Leonard.
 
Based on Revis covering Torrey Smith last week, I think Revis stays on Branch although he's virtually a non-threat after the last two weeks. Even if Revis wants to cover Welker, they'll likely run cross patterns which will mix up the defense, so I still don't see them shutting down Welker.

 
'The Kuhn said:
Based on Revis covering Torrey Smith last week, I think Revis stays on Branch although he's virtually a non-threat after the last two weeks. Even if Revis wants to cover Welker, they'll likely run cross patterns which will mix up the defense, so I still don't see them shutting down Welker.
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:confused: They put revis on the fastest guy who was the most productive last game. B/c of that you think they will put Revis on Branch? That makes no ####### sense at all. revis will be on welker.
 
To be honest, I don't think it matters. If the Jets front 7 can get to Brady as they did in the playoffs, Welker will be a relative non-factor. If the NE line can hold up, Welker ( and the NE passing offense as a whole ) will look more like the 45-3 game just a few weeks before the playoffs.

I honestly don't think there is a cover guy in the NFL that can truly blanket Welker if Brady is clean in the pocket. Too quick, runs precision routes and has exquisite timing with Brady. You can bracket Welker in the middle with a LB/S combo and reduce his effectiveness, but you weaken coverage elsewhere ( notably the TEs ) Add to this that Welker is running more downfield routes this year ( or it appears so to me ) so some of the strategies to take away the 5 yarders he's been living on for the past few years may not be as effective.

 
If I'm the Jets I definitely use Revis on Welker, then try to double Gronkowski with a LB and S. You gotta make the other guys in the Pats passing game beat you.

 
You'd think the Jets would put Revis on Welker given how insane Welker's production has been but who knows. Here were Welker's numbers against the Jets last season in the last two games (tossing out the first because Revis covered Moss). I don't recall if Revis manned up on Welker or not. Judging by the numbers I'd assume he didn't.

7-80-1

7-57-0 (playoff game)

 
Welker is a hovercraft...nothing stops him, not sea, not land, and surely no island will be able to contain him.

 
'packersfan said:
You'd think the Jets would put Revis on Welker given how insane Welker's production has been but who knows. Here were Welker's numbers against the Jets last season in the last two games (tossing out the first because Revis covered Moss). I don't recall if Revis manned up on Welker or not. Judging by the numbers I'd assume he didn't.7-80-17-57-0 (playoff game)
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I believe Revis did match up on Welker in the 45-3 game. I remember seeing some breakdowns of plays where they put Welker in motion to move Revis around. One play was the pass to Woodhead in the flats that went 35 yards. There were no defenders outside on that side of the field because they motioned Welker into the backfield and Revis followed him inside.
 
'parrot said:
'packersfan said:
You'd think the Jets would put Revis on Welker given how insane Welker's production has been but who knows. Here were Welker's numbers against the Jets last season in the last two games (tossing out the first because Revis covered Moss). I don't recall if Revis manned up on Welker or not. Judging by the numbers I'd assume he didn't.7-80-17-57-0 (playoff game)
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I believe Revis did match up on Welker in the 45-3 game. I remember seeing some breakdowns of plays where they put Welker in motion to move Revis around. One play was the pass to Woodhead in the flats that went 35 yards. There were no defenders outside on that side of the field because they motioned Welker into the backfield and Revis followed him inside.
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Thanks for the follow-up. I couldn't remember the last two games. I remembered the first game because Revis got burned on the TD to Moss and got hurt on the play.
 
Revis was on Weker in man to man packages last year I believe after Moss was gone and Welker got most of his catches against the zone at least in the 45-3 game. Not sure about the playoff game.

 
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'njherdfan said:
'Crash Davis said:
'BigTex said:
'Addai said:
It doesn't matter.
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:goodposting: I still believe Revis is over-rated.
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Maybe, but so far this year the numbers don't support you:@ProFootballFocus QBs throwing at Darrelle Revis through 4 games have a QB rating of 3.6 - He has allowed 3 receptions in 4 games. #Jets
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numbers don't matter when it comes to Revis. No matter what, he's overrated
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Ask any #1 WR in the league who they would prefer to face. Revis, or anybody else. Hell, ask Randy Moss.
 
No chance they put him on Branch. I expect him to be on Welker except for the redzone where he will be on the Gronk.

 
patriots beat writer on sirius today said he thought revis would get gronkowski, unless hernandez is healthy and plays, at which point he'd get hernandez.

 
If they opt for more zone vs. man-to-man, it's likely Revis doesn't cover one person exclusively. If the Jets don't get their O-line issues worked out this week, the D will likely get tired trying to bump underneath and get gashed anyway.

 
I really don't think Revis could cover welker. As weird as that sounds, as he blanketed all the top receivers in 2010 and 2011. I for some reason think that short route, precision route running and skills him and brady have are impossible to defend 1 on 1. They will double Welker with Cromartie and a safety and put revis on either gronk or branch. Branch should be the least of their worries. I find it funny that Revis always covers the number 1 wr off a team, but never covers welker? is it because they don't want to expose him a bit?? they know he can shut down branch. Thoughts??

 
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patriots beat writer on sirius today said he thought revis would get gronkowski, unless hernandez is healthy and plays, at which point he'd get hernandez.
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I don't see that at all. Cromartie usually gets the stronger physical WRs. I can see Revis on Hernandez, but not sure he'd be effective against Gronkowski.
 
You can throw a lot of welker's past stats b/c revis was not covering him. We do not know what NYJ will do, and we certainly cannot depend on what a PATRIOT's beatwriter thinks.

 
'DeaLerZ said:
'David Yudkin said:
Welker on NE vs. Jets:07 6-61-107 3-30-008 7-72-008 7-108-009 15-192-010 6-38-110 7-80-110 7-57-0
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The numbers do not lie... Welker will do fine this week... i say 8 for 80 yds, and maybe a TD
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Most of the games Revis was on Moss. The numbers Welker puts up is exactly why I would want Revis on Welker. Rex Ryan knows more about defense than I ever will but if he puts Revis on one of the TEs and lets Welker run wild isn't that playing right into the Patriots' hands? Why not take away their No. 1 WR and force Brady to beat you somewhere else. Doesn't that seem to be a better way to go?
 
Revis has covered Welker some in the past with limited success. The Pats move him around and in motion a lot and playing in the middle of the field sets up traffic, picks, etc. that will let him get open. Even Rex said Revis on Welker presents a challenge in that it is harder to cover 8 yard routes in the middle of the field and Welker simply runs to an open spot. I doubt Welker has days like he has this year, but I don't think he will get shut down either.

 
'packersfan said:
'DeaLerZ said:
'David Yudkin said:
Welker on NE vs. Jets:

07 6-61-1

07 3-30-0

08 7-72-0

08 7-108-0

09 15-192-0

10 6-38-1

10 7-80-1

10 7-57-0
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The numbers do not lie... Welker will do fine this week... i say 8 for 80 yds, and maybe a TD
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Most of the games Revis was on Moss. The numbers Welker puts up is exactly why I would want Revis on Welker. Rex Ryan knows more about defense than I ever will but if he puts Revis on one of the TEs and lets Welker run wild isn't that playing right into the Patriots' hands? Why not take away their No. 1 WR and force Brady to beat you somewhere else. Doesn't that seem to be a better way to go?
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I am sorry.. but I just don't believe Revis can shut down Welker because of the types of routes he runs... and even if he was able to the Patriots have plenty of other weapons that they would use to destroy the Jets.... I think Revis might able to shut down the right side of the field... but I just cannot see him guarding Welker all day long...that would not make sense for the Jets to do.. and it makes a lot more sense to have him cover a side of the field

Rex doesn't give a crap if Welker gets catches and yards... he only cares about the Patriots scoring points

 
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I get that Welker's a different type of matchup because of how effective he is working from the slot. But looking at the Patriots' passing attack he's by far the guy who stands out the most consistently. Again, I'll defer to Ryan and he knows his personnel (and the Patriots for that matter) much better than I do but if I'm Brady and I know going into a game that I'll either have Welker allowed to run free or being matched up against the best cover corner in the league I know which option I prefer.

 
'packersfan said:
I get that Welker's a different type of matchup because of how effective he is working from the slot. But looking at the Patriots' passing attack he's by far the guy who stands out the most consistently. Again, I'll defer to Ryan and he knows his personnel (and the Patriots for that matter) much better than I do but if I'm Brady and I know going into a game that I'll either have Welker allowed to run free or being matched up against the best cover corner in the league I know which option I prefer.
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Welker is uncoverable. Yes, even by Jesus Revis himself. Rex isn't going to waste his best cover guy on someone he can't cover, just to let Gronkowski and Branch tear up the rest of the Jets secondary and drop another 45-spot on them. They would be better served to let Welker get his 100+ yards and a TD and keep all the deep stuff in check.
 
'PatsFanCT said:
'packersfan said:
I get that Welker's a different type of matchup because of how effective he is working from the slot. But looking at the Patriots' passing attack he's by far the guy who stands out the most consistently. Again, I'll defer to Ryan and he knows his personnel (and the Patriots for that matter) much better than I do but if I'm Brady and I know going into a game that I'll either have Welker allowed to run free or being matched up against the best cover corner in the league I know which option I prefer.
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Welker is uncoverable. Yes, even by Jesus Revis himself. Rex isn't going to waste his best cover guy on someone he can't cover, just to let Gronkowski and Branch tear up the rest of the Jets secondary and drop another 45-spot on them. They would be better served to let Welker get his 100+ yards and a TD and keep all the deep stuff in check.
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I agree. Just like you intimate, I also think Welker gets his and the Jets win.
 
'packersfan said:
'DeaLerZ said:
'David Yudkin said:
Welker on NE vs. Jets:07 6-61-107 3-30-008 7-72-008 7-108-009 15-192-010 6-38-110 7-80-110 7-57-0
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The numbers do not lie... Welker will do fine this week... i say 8 for 80 yds, and maybe a TD
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Most of the games Revis was on Moss. The numbers Welker puts up is exactly why I would want Revis on Welker. Rex Ryan knows more about defense than I ever will but if he puts Revis on one of the TEs and lets Welker run wild isn't that playing right into the Patriots' hands? Why not take away their No. 1 WR and force Brady to beat you somewhere else. Doesn't that seem to be a better way to go?
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:goodposting: yea that seemed like the logical conclustion I came to also. Unless They know Welker is just unstoppable so better to use Revis on someone else???
 
maybe because of how much welker moves around and how quick and precise his routes are just make this guy uncoverable, even for Revis. That's amazing that he is that hard to cover for a small guy.

 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/08/leonhard-says-revis-will-cover-welker-most-of-the-time/

Leonhard says Revis will cover Welker, most of the time

Posted by Mike Florio on October 8, 2011, 6:52 AM EDT

Getty ImagesFriday’s episode of NBC SportsTalk on VERSUS included an interview of Jets safety Jim Leonhard.

Peter King asked Leonhard how the Jets would deal with Pats receiver Wes Welker, who has 40 catches in four games.

Leonard said that the plan is to put cornerback Darrelle Revis on Welker “as much as possible.” It won’t be every play, but it will be more often than not.

“You have to try to take away what a team does best,” Leonhard said

 
'The Chicken Roaster said:
'Breesisdaman said:
'The_Wolfman said:
If I'm the Jets I definitely use Revis on Welker, then try to double Gronkowski with a LB and S. You gotta make the other guys in the Pats passing game beat you.
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As a Hernandez owner I agree with this post
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Just because Welker is "uncoverable" doesn't mean you shouldn't put Revis on him. If he can drop his catch total from 13 to 8, it can win the game for the Jets.
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No it can't.
 
'PatsFanCT said:
'The Chicken Roaster said:
'Breesisdaman said:
'The_Wolfman said:
If I'm the Jets I definitely use Revis on Welker, then try to double Gronkowski with a LB and S. You gotta make the other guys in the Pats passing game beat you.
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As a Hernandez owner I agree with this post
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Just because Welker is "uncoverable" doesn't mean you shouldn't put Revis on him. If he can drop his catch total from 13 to 8, it can win the game for the Jets.
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No it can't.
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:lmao: at the pats fans. If you can beat the Jets 45-3 and then lose to them one week later then you missed the 'lesson". Little things can swing games. Anything can happen.I happen to agree with you on the outcome, but I would have thought just a bit of the Igno-arrogance from M#######s would have come off when the 'unstoppable 200 million dollar red sox imploded".
 
Revis can disrupt Welker by muscling him, but I'm not sure how much they will be matched up. Obviously, the Pats will move Welker around & try to minimize Revis' strength advantage. I'd put Revis on Welker every play if I was DC.

It'll be interesting to see how they scheme Welker. I believe DCs are going to simply start making the Pats' other receivers beat them, even if it's Gronkowski or whoever. Welker is what currently makes them tick. If you take Welker away or severely hinder his production, the Pats won't be nearly as explosive. Ds can take away any 1 player, it just depends on how many resources they use doing it.

It'll be interesting to see how the Jets & other teams change the way they play the Pats since Brady/Welker are so hot.

 
'Hipple said:
'PatsFanCT said:
'The Chicken Roaster said:
'Breesisdaman said:
'The_Wolfman said:
If I'm the Jets I definitely use Revis on Welker, then try to double Gronkowski with a LB and S. You gotta make the other guys in the Pats passing game beat you.
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As a Hernandez owner I agree with this post
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Just because Welker is "uncoverable" doesn't mean you shouldn't put Revis on him. If he can drop his catch total from 13 to 8, it can win the game for the Jets.
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No it can't.
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:lmao: at the pats fans. If you can beat the Jets 45-3 and then lose to them one week later then you missed the 'lesson". Little things can swing games. Anything can happen.I happen to agree with you on the outcome, but I would have thought just a bit of the Igno-arrogance from M#######s would have come off when the 'unstoppable 200 million dollar red sox imploded".
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How does Revis holding Welker to five less catches win the game for the Jets? As I said previously, Welker is getting his no matter who covers him. The only chance the Jets have of containing Brady is to let Welker have his and let Revis cover the deep stuff. Revis holding Welker to 8-100-2 isn't going to help the Jets win anything.Also, what does the Red Sox implosion, or anything baseball for that matter, have to do with me? Do you somehow see BostonFanCT as my user name because of my football allegiance?
 
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