Does Rex stay the starter the entire year? (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

Rex Grossman has Marc Wilson eyes when under durress.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Does Grossman have small hands like Culpepper? Maybe that's the reason for the fumbled snaps.

On the radio this morning, they were talking about his small hands so I suppose he does ... though I've never played patty-cake with him or anything so I don't know for sure.

Maybe we can ask their starting center about that, he may know.

 

[Gr00vus]

He should be replaced, they should have signed Garcia and romped to the SB. I think someone else will start for the Bears at some point, as Rex does suck. I don't know that the other guys they have will do much better. Griese has had his moments, Orton looked like he could take care of the ball at least.

I just hope they don't make the change prior to week one. That is going to be fun to watch.

 

[Penguin]

I think Grossman is the starter all season. One thing to remember here, if they switch to Greise they can't go back. Rex's confidence will be shot. So, if they do make a move it's final.

 

[Tibereas]

I don't know why the have a man crush on Rex. He is just plain terrible. Griese is 10 times the QB Rex will ever be. Griese didn't throw one bad pass the other night. What do they see in sorry ### Rex? Hell I must be blind.

You must have missed the play where Griese missed a wide open Olsen on a should have been TD pass.

Yes but Griese did not close his eyes, throw off his back foot and huck a floater that had his WR playing jump ball will 4 defenders. The Bears would be a much better team with Griese at QB. With that defense, someone like a Trent Dilfer NOT a weak armed Brett Favre.

 

[TitusIII]

I don't know why the have a man crush on Rex. He is just plain terrible. Griese is 10 times the QB Rex will ever be. Griese didn't throw one bad pass the other night. What do they see in sorry ### Rex? Hell I must be blind.

You must have missed the play where Griese missed a wide open Olsen on a should have been TD pass.

Yes but Griese did not close his eyes, throw off his back foot and huck a floater that had his WR playing jump ball will 4 defenders. The Bears would be a much better team with Griese at QB. With that defense, someone like a Trent Dilfer NOT a weak armed Brett Favre.

Weak arm? Grossman has one of the best deep balls in the league.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think Grossman is the starter all season. One thing to remember here, if they switch to Greise they can't go back. Rex's confidence will be shot. So, if they do make a move it's final.

Which is more important, the Bears having a chance at a title or Rex's confidence?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I think Grossman is the starter all season. One thing to remember here, if they switch to Greise they can't go back. Rex's confidence will be shot. So, if they do make a move it's final.

Which is more important, the Bears having a chance at a title or Rex's confidence?

I believe they coincide with each other.

 

[ookook]

I think people are underestimating how absolutely putrid the Bears' offense has the potential to be this year.

Their decisions on what players to recruit on O have finally caught up to them.

Deepest QB corps in the NFL? Puuhhlleaasee! I like Griese best but it is still not clear whether he or Orton are good enough to be starting QBs in the NFL. Unfortunately it is clear Rex is not.

One player carried the offense of the Bears the past 3 years and he is gone. That would be Thomas Jones.

Without him they will struggle mightily and no small amount of it will be bad QB play.

I think the odds they win the NFC is less than 20%.

 

[bullitt]

It cracks me up how many people can say Rex will never be a good QB in the NFL. He obviously is having some problems, but he simply hasn't played enough games to make that call yet. There have been many great QB's that were in Rex's situation at the same time in their career's, the same things being said about Rex now, are the things that were said about those QB's also. The other QB's ( Farve is a great example) ( and NO, I'm not saying Rex is now or will ever be, as good a Farve) were able to overcome their problems and play to their potential. Rex has showed that he can be a great QB, so the potential is there for him to be like that all the time, only time will tell if he can do it, but one full season is not enough to know.

 

[Banger]

I think people are underestimating how absolutely putrid the Bears' offense has the potential to be this year.

One player carried the offense of the Bears the past 3 years and he is gone. That would be Thomas Jones.

Without him they will struggle mightily and no small amount of it will be bad QB play.

I think the odds they win the NFC is less than 20%.

No matter how good the RB is they can't get into any kind of rhythm if they are in 2nd and long and 3rd and long due to bad downs. Also, this year they have two very good defenses in their division with Minn and GB. I don't know if it's a given that the Bears win the division this year.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

Just how short of a leash do you think Lovie will keep Grossman on?

Grossman has a nightmare week one matchup against the Merriman and the Chargers in San Diego in week 1 and he could be in for an absolutely dreadful night. If that happens, will Lovie give him a free pass for struggling against one of the best defenses in the league or could one bad performance do enough damage to cost him his job?

 

[Banger]

Just how short of a leash do you think Lovie will keep Grossman on?Grossman has a nightmare week one matchup against the Merriman and the Chargers in San Diego in week 1 and he could be in for an absolutely dreadful night. If that happens, will Lovie give him a free pass for struggling against one of the best defenses in the league or could one bad performance do enough damage to cost him his job?

He's got a pretty soft schedule after SD and as long as he's winning he'll probably remain the starter. If they were to start 1-2 and he looked like he did on MNF he better have a good 4th game.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

Just how short of a leash do you think Lovie will keep Grossman on?Grossman has a nightmare week one matchup against the Merriman and the Chargers in San Diego in week 1 and he could be in for an absolutely dreadful night. If that happens, will Lovie give him a free pass for struggling against one of the best defenses in the league or could one bad performance do enough damage to cost him his job?

He's got a pretty soft schedule after SD and as long as he's winning he'll probably remain the starter. If they were to start 1-2 and he looked like he did on MNF he better have a good 4th game.

I think the Bears have a very diffcult schedule early schedule SD (horrible matchup)Home against the Chiefs (semi-difficult matchup)Home against Dallas (very tough matchup)and then on the road for two straight weeks against divison rivals Detroit and Green Bay.

 

[Gr00vus]

There have been many great QB's that were in Rex's situation at the same time in their career's, the same things being said about Rex now, are the things that were said about those QB's also. The other QB's ( Farve is a great example) ( and NO, I'm not saying Rex is now or will ever be, as good a Farve) were able to overcome their problems and play to their potential. Rex has showed that he can be a great QB, so the potential is there for him to be like that all the time, only time will tell if he can do it, but one full season is not enough to know.

How many games does he have to play before you'll admit he's actually bad rather than he just hasn't had enough starts? I mean, it's plain as day to me that this guy will not cut it as an NFL qb, but I'd like to know what it will take for the more "optimistic" people to finally give up on this guy.

 

[Captain_Apocalypse]

In my opinion Rex is not that good. Sure maybe he is still "developmental" (emphasis on mental) but c'mon he just makes some really terrible plays, bad decisions, etc.. and ends up turning over the ball a lot. I think the only reason he had decent stats last year was because of all the bombs to Berrian. The thing about that is...anyone with an arm could have thrown those balls, Berrian was wide open most of the time just because he was so damn fast. The team of Rex and Bernard is the best duo Chicago has right now. No other QB on the team could make those deep throws. Those two have a lot of timing down too. I really don't see Rex being demoted this year no matter what because of that. He may make terrible decisions and have poor play close to the line of scrimmage but those bombs are just too potent a weapon to take off the field.

I also think TJ will be missed this year.

 

[jurb26]

Is this 2006?

Do we really need this thread every year? Lots of misinformation abounds in it every time too.Humm, I see it's all the same faces still hating on Rexy. There are just Certain truths in life you must learn to live with. Death, taxes and Rex will be starting all season baring an injury.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think Grossman is the starter all season. One thing to remember here, if they switch to Greise they can't go back. Rex's confidence will be shot. So, if they do make a move it's final.

Which is more important, the Bears having a chance at a title or Rex's confidence?

I believe they coincide with each other.

Not if there is a better option, and I think that is Griese.

 

[ericttspikes]

This thread is funny. Kind of like sports radio around Chicago.

Golden boy Brady fumbled once, threw 2 picks and completed a whopping 52% of his passes. It's preseason. I think he'll be o.k. and I think Rex will be too.

Yes, unlike Brady, if Rex drops 2-3 regular season clunkers in a row, Lovie won't hesitate to make a switch. But thinking that Griese will take the Bears to the promised land is laughable. He looked good last night, but was in danger of becoming #3 last week. The coaches see these guys every day, they know what they have. People make it seem like Lovie isn't playing the QB he thinks is the best for his team. That alone is ridiculous.

 

[bullitt]

How many games does he have to play before you'll admit he's actually bad rather than he just hasn't had enough starts? I mean, it's plain as day to me that this guy will not cut it as an NFL qb, but I'd like to know what it will take for the more "optimistic" people to finally give up on this guy.

How many games did it take for Farve or Montana or Bradshaw??? Rex played at a very high level in 7 or 8 games last year, so he has proven that he is capable of doing it, he just hasn't proven to be consistent yet. He has also played at a very bad level for 6 games, so we know he is capable of being a bust. It wasn't until Farve's 3rd year in Green Bay that he became who is is today, untill then , he played like Grossman is now.Using your logic, Farve would never had made it in the NFL.I agree it is very possible Grossman may turn out to be a bust, or could be great, but it will take more time to see which path he takes. To this point, he has had more good games than bad.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Also in before the incorrect "he led them to the Super Bowl" comments.

Ok I can't resist this one.If not Grossman, WHO mind you got them through the Seattle game in the playoffs last year?The rushing game averaged 3.3ypc. The defense gave up 24 points and forced only 1 turnover. Devin Hester averaged 1 yard per punt return and an awful 18yds per kickoff return. So, how did they win that game?I'm not here to argue that the vast majority of the season was on the defense and special teams, but if any of there other QBs are in there for that Seattle game the Bears absolutely would not have made it past the Divisional Round of the playoffs and into the Super Bowl last year. Let's keep in mind as well that as a whole body of work the defense was actually pretty bad from about week 13 on.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

How many games does he have to play before you'll admit he's actually bad rather than he just hasn't had enough starts? I mean, it's plain as day to me that this guy will not cut it as an NFL qb, but I'd like to know what it will take for the more "optimistic" people to finally give up on this guy.

How many games did it take for Farve or Montana or Bradshaw??? Rex played at a very high level in 7 or 8 games last year, so he has proven that he is capable of doing it, he just hasn't proven to be consistent yet. He has also played at a very bad level for 6 games, so we know he is capable of being a bust. It wasn't until Farve's 3rd year in Green Bay that he became who is is today, untill then , he played like Grossman is now.Using your logic, Farve would never had made it in the NFL.I agree it is very possible Grossman may turn out to be a bust, or could be great, but it will take more time to see which path he takes. To this point, he has had more good games than bad.

Interesting that you mention Bradshaw:

+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT	YD   Y/A  TD INT |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+| 1970 pit |  13 |	83   218  38.1  1410   6.5   6  24 || 1971 pit |  14 |   203   373  54.4  2259   6.1  13  22 || 1972 pit |  14 |   147   308  47.7  1887   6.1  12  12 || 1973 pit |  10 |	89   180  49.4  1183   6.6  10  15 || 1974 pit |   8 |	67   148  45.3   785   5.3   7   8 |

 

[Jason Wood]

I honestly think the Bears coaches very much WANT to stick with Rex, but some of that is premised around the belief that the other parts of the team are (once again) Championship caliber. Whether they DO stick with him is another question. However, let's not pretend that Brian Griese has looked like a world beater this preseason or that Kyle Orton is a better option under center. I think the most likely scenario is Rex starts all season, struggles with his consistency but not enough to keep the Bears from winning big, and then a quick playoff exit leads to the team looking elsewhere for a starter in '08, at least adding someone to compete for the job.

As a fan this is a typical Bear's front office move but it is unacceptable. We have no idea what Griese can do w the offensive talent here but I think that if Orton won all the games that he did BG can certainly get the job done. This team needs to go for it all right now and they have the pieces in place. At least we have to only wait until Thursday to see more.....

You are absolutely correct, you have no idea. It amazes me to hear that so many people on this board think they know more than the teammates, coaching staff and front office. these guys see him EVERY DAY and know what he is capable of. I'm surprised none of you are employed by any NFL team. Grossman is a skilled QB. He has the talent to be a starter almost anywhere in the league it is just that he is very inconsistent. The interception was forced but he admitted that himself in the live interview. The first fumble wasn't his fault. Like someone said earlier, the O Line was a revolvng door on that play. And yes, he was stepping up in the pocket and holding the ball in front of him, where else is he supposed to hold it, behind him? NO QB tucks the ball when stepping up in the pocket to make a play.

Inconsistency and the play of his O-Line is the key. The fumbles can be corrected. He already has made improvement from last year in that he steps up in the pocket better. When not forcing the ball, his accuracy seems to be pretty good and from what i can see, he throws a very pretty spiral (better than many NFL QBs). I don't understand the hate of Grossman. What has he done to deserve the wrath of every message board member and of the media? You gotta like his story, overcoming two seasons with injuries to become the starter again and take his team to the SB. It would be nice to see him take the Bears there agan and win it.

I personally am rooting for him as i don't want to see yet another QB controversy in Chicago. I want one QB to play in Chicago for a long time. I hope its Grossman. Whether he works out or not is another issue, but I'm pulling for the guy.

I agree that Grossman is talented, but I'm not sure why you remove consistency from the equation. To me, you can't be a "talented NFL QB" without being able to preform at a consistently high level. And one thing a QB MUST do, particularly as they progress within an offensive system, is limit turnovers and poor decisions. Grossman, right now, hasn't shown he's even among the top 20 at his position (in real NFL terms, not fantasy)...the Bears know he's potentially capable of more, but I think he has to show it this year or they'll look elsewhere in '08.