does Wilf fire Childress this if they lose to the Bears? (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

Michael Irvin says it is all on Farve..and I agree. Is it Chillys fault Farves leads the NFL in turnovers?? Farve has caused half the drama on the Vikings.

Chilly was building the Vikings the correct way, the he went for the quick fix in Farve..that has backfired. T-Jax may have inproved and grown with the team woth out the drama.

Any way Chilly will get paid for three more years for doing nothing, and Farves three million raise will go to Stenger, and might cost him his marriage.

First....it is Favre not Farve. How long have you had to learn how to spell that?Second, Favre isn't going to pay off Stenger and it won't cost him his marriage. Finally, If you really think Chilly was building the Vikings the right way then you don't have any clue about football. The Vikings almost made the Super Bowl last year and adding Favre to the team allowed Chilly to get a contract extension. Chilly lost control of the team....not Brett Favre.

Farves wife may think different.

Why can't you spell his name right? Favre's wife has seen a lot worse from him from his days in the mid 90s when he was running with Mark Chmura. This is nothing for her compared to that. You can laugh all you want but have been wrong with every post you make in this thread.

Wow..why so bitter???

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Michael Irvin says it is all on Farve..and I agree. Is it Chillys fault Farves leads the NFL in turnovers?? Farve has caused half the drama on the Vikings.

Chilly was building the Vikings the correct way, the he went for the quick fix in Farve..that has backfired. T-Jax may have inproved and grown with the team woth out the drama.

Any way Chilly will get paid for three more years for doing nothing, and Farves three million raise will go to Stenger, and might cost him his marriage.

First....it is Favre not Farve. How long have you had to learn how to spell that?Second, Favre isn't going to pay off Stenger and it won't cost him his marriage. Finally, If you really think Chilly was building the Vikings the right way then you don't have any clue about football. The Vikings almost made the Super Bowl last year and adding Favre to the team allowed Chilly to get a contract extension. Chilly lost control of the team....not Brett Favre.

Farves wife may think different.

Why can't you spell his name right? Favre's wife has seen a lot worse from him from his days in the mid 90s when he was running with Mark Chmura. This is nothing for her compared to that. You can laugh all you want but have been wrong with every post you make in this thread.

Wow..why so bitter???

Wow...why so much love for Chilly???

 

[Da Guru]

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Chilly was building the Vikings the correct way, the he went for the quick fix in Farve..that has backfired. T-Jax may have inproved and grown with the team woth out the drama.

Any way Chilly will get paid for three more years for doing nothing, and Farves three million raise will go to Stenger, and might cost him his marriage.

First....it is Favre not Farve. How long have you had to learn how to spell that?

Second, Favre isn't going to pay off Stenger and it won't cost him his marriage. Finally, If you really think Chilly was building the Vikings the right way then you don't have any clue about football. The Vikings almost made the Super Bowl last year and adding Favre to the team allowed Chilly to get a contract extension. Chilly lost control of the team....not Brett Favre.

Farves wife may think different.

Why can't you spell his name right? Favre's wife has seen a lot worse from him from his days in the mid 90s when he was running with Mark Chmura. This is nothing for her compared to that. You can laugh all you want but have been wrong with every post you make in this thread.

Wow..why so bitter???

Wow...why so much love for Chilly???

No love for Chilly, but the players have to perform. Farve is #29 in QB ratings, and leads the NFL in turnovers so he is not getting it done.

Chilly and Farve will both be gone next year so it really does not matter.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

No love for Chilly, but the players have to perform.

And it is the responsibility of the head coach to get his players to perform.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

No love for Chilly, but the players have to perform.

And it is the responsibility of the head coach to get his players to perform.

 

[FFdork]

Via Chris Mortensen on Twiter...

"Ed Werder reports Vikings owner Zygi Wilf told him he is not considering firing Brad Childress."

http://twitter.com/mortreport/statuses/3927628499124224

I'm not putting a lot of stock in this. There were a lot of reports that Wilf came really close to firing him two weeks ago. Yet just minutes after a terrible performance in a must-win game he already knows he's not firing him? I'd love to know what the actual words from Zygi's mouth were, because obviously he'd probably give a political answer/denial if he hadn't made his mind up yet.P.S. You guys can conduct the same old tired Favre argument in one of the 25 Favre threads.

 

[Da Guru]

No love for Chilly, but the players have to perform.

And it is the responsibility of the head coach to get his players to perform.

Chilly leads the NFL in turnovers??Time to give T-Jax a shot.

 

[Eric Stratton]

No love for Chilly, but the players have to perform.

And it is the responsibility of the head coach to get his players to perform.

Chilly leads the NFL in turnovers??Time to give T-Jax a shot.

What does that have to do with everything that has come out from several players on the Vikings about Chilly? It has nothing to do with turnovers. It has everything to do with control of the team and at this point is it seems you can't grasp that.

 

[sho nuff]

The team has no leadership...not from the owner...coaches...or players.

Chilly needs to go...but anyone absolving the players in this need to open their eyes.

 

[Stinger Ray]

No love for Chilly, but the players have to perform.

And it is the responsibility of the head coach to get his players to perform.

Chilly leads the NFL in turnovers??Time to give T-Jax a shot.

Giving T-Jax a shot has nothing to do with the fact that Chillly has lost this team and he can't coach.

 

[reprisal]

no!

 

[Da Guru]

No love for Chilly, but the players have to perform.

And it is the responsibility of the head coach to get his players to perform.

Chilly leads the NFL in turnovers??Time to give T-Jax a shot.

Giving T-Jax a shot has nothing to do with the fact that Chillly has lost this team and he can't coach.

I agree..Chilly can`t coach and Favre is a turnover machine. Not a good combo.

 

[Stinger Ray]

No love for Chilly, but the players have to perform.

And it is the responsibility of the head coach to get his players to perform.

Chilly leads the NFL in turnovers??

Time to give T-Jax a shot.

Giving T-Jax a shot has nothing to do with the fact that Chillly has lost this team and he can't coach.

I agree..Chilly can`t coach and Favre is a turnover machine. Not a good combo.

Please explain this quote from you in this thread if you think Chilly can't coach......"Chilly was building the Vikings the correct way"

 

[Eric Stratton]

Please explain this quote from you in this thread if you think Chilly can't coach......"Chilly was building the Vikings the correct way"

He should stop in this thread. He is looking quite foolish.

 

[Donnybrook]

For those voting yes. Who would you replace him with?

Fraizer.. He has been a leading candidate for other openings, give him 7 games to see what he has.

This is the correct answer. Chilly is a cancer on that team and it is time to remove it

Several Pro bowlers on defense and they manage to get one sack on Cutler. I am not impressed with Fraizer. Wilf needs to wait until January and clean house.

 

[Eric Stratton]

For those voting yes. Who would you replace him with?

Fraizer.. He has been a leading candidate for other openings, give him 7 games to see what he has.

This is the correct answer. Chilly is a cancer on that team and it is time to remove it

Several Pro bowlers on defense and they manage to get one sack on Cutler. I am not impressed with Fraizer. Wilf needs to wait until January and clean house.

Why wait? Maybe getting rid of Chilly will inspire the players and they can make a run to get into the playoffs. Isn't that better than watching a train wreck?

 

[sho nuff]

Please explain this quote from you in this thread if you think Chilly can't coach......"Chilly was building the Vikings the correct way"

He should stop in this thread. He is looking quite foolish.

Not totally with that point though.Solid Oline, RB, WRs that have been coming along. Solid Dline, solid LBs.

They needed a QB and went and got Favre last year and all seemed to work just fine.

Whats the difference this year?

While he can't coach, how was that team not built the right way?

 

[Da Guru]

Please explain this quote from you in this thread if you think Chilly can't coach......"Chilly was building the Vikings the correct way"

He should stop in this thread. He is looking quite foolish.

What are you saying? You can win with a QB that leads the whole NFL in turnovers? It does not matter who is coaching if you are turning the ball over at the pace Favre is right now.

 

[Eric Stratton]

Please explain this quote from you in this thread if you think Chilly can't coach......"Chilly was building the Vikings the correct way"

He should stop in this thread. He is looking quite foolish.

Not totally with that point though.Solid Oline, RB, WRs that have been coming along. Solid Dline, solid LBs.

They needed a QB and went and got Favre last year and all seemed to work just fine.

Whats the difference this year?

While he can't coach, how was that team not built the right way?

So what you are saying to agree with DaGuru is that adding Brett Favre is what derailed this team this season. Now you look foolish again as well.

 

[Donnybrook]

For those voting yes. Who would you replace him with?

Fraizer.. He has been a leading candidate for other openings, give him 7 games to see what he has.

This is the correct answer. Chilly is a cancer on that team and it is time to remove it

Several Pro bowlers on defense and they manage to get one sack on Cutler. I am not impressed with Fraizer. Wilf needs to wait until January and clean house.

Why wait? Maybe getting rid of Chilly will inspire the players and they can make a run to get into the playoffs. Isn't that better than watching a train wreck?

Coaching changes in the middle of the season rarely work. Do you think the firing of Wade has inspired the players? I be surprised if the Vikings or the Cowboys get to 500.

 

[Eric Stratton]

Please explain this quote from you in this thread if you think Chilly can't coach......"Chilly was building the Vikings the correct way"

He should stop in this thread. He is looking quite foolish.

What are you saying? You can win with a QB that leads the whole NFL in turnovers? It does not matter who is coaching if you are turing the ball over at the pace Favre is right now.

You are right. Brett Favre is the reason that Chilly can't coach and lost control of the team. I am sure that the Viking players will tell you that as well since you and sho are so smart on this subject. Make sure you tell the owner that is looking at hiring Chilly that they need to consider him because Brett Favre derailed his career.

 

[Eric Stratton]

Coaching changes in the middle of the season rarely work. Do you think the firing of Wade has inspired the players? I be surprised if the Vikings or the Cowboys get to 500.

I take it you didn't watch the Cowboys play today.

 

[sho nuff]

Please explain this quote from you in this thread if you think Chilly can't coach......"Chilly was building the Vikings the correct way"

He should stop in this thread. He is looking quite foolish.

Not totally with that point though.Solid Oline, RB, WRs that have been coming along. Solid Dline, solid LBs.

They needed a QB and went and got Favre last year and all seemed to work just fine.

Whats the difference this year?

While he can't coach, how was that team not built the right way?

So what you are saying to agree with DaGuru is that adding Brett Favre is what derailed this team this season. Now you look foolish again as well.

No, what I am saying is its not a foolish point to say they were building the team the right way.Now you look foolish for reading way to much into it rather than what was actually written.

Is Favre derailing the season? Not on his own...no.

Is he a part of it? Most certainly. Only the blind fail to see this.

 

[Donnybrook]

Coaching changes in the middle of the season rarely work. Do you think the firing of Wade has inspired the players? I be surprised if the Vikings or the Cowboys get to 500.

I take it you didn't watch the Cowboys play today.

No I did not. It was one win. Feel free to bump this thread when the Cowboys win next week.

 

[Eric Stratton]

Please explain this quote from you in this thread if you think Chilly can't coach......"Chilly was building the Vikings the correct way"

He should stop in this thread. He is looking quite foolish.

Not totally with that point though.Solid Oline, RB, WRs that have been coming along. Solid Dline, solid LBs.

They needed a QB and went and got Favre last year and all seemed to work just fine.

Whats the difference this year?

While he can't coach, how was that team not built the right way?

So what you are saying to agree with DaGuru is that adding Brett Favre is what derailed this team this season. Now you look foolish again as well.

No, what I am saying is its not a foolish point to say they were building the team the right way.Now you look foolish for reading way to much into it rather than what was actually written.

No...it isn't hard to read into what you are saying. His point was the Chilly was doing well but added Favre and now things are blowing up. Of course you will agree with that. You saw an opportunity to take a shot at Favre and you did. Guess what....this has so much more to do with Chilly than Favre that you guys won't admit. Yes, Favre is part of the problem this this year BUT it has nothing to do with how the player view Chilly or how he has lost their respect. It isn't often a player admits in public the team isn't playing for the coach and that has happened with the Vikings. Don't blame Favre for that.

 

[Da Guru]

I have no vested interest in the Vikings, Chilly, or Favre.

I saw a Viking team that looked to be building a very solid base team. They drafted Jackson to be groomed as their QB. They never gave Jackson a chance to grow with the team.

Chilly then brought Favre is for a quick one year fix. That quick one year fix totally disrupted and destroyed what the Vikings were building. Favre is the ultimate drame queen. The team has never been stable since.

Favre is one of the best ever, but he is 41, always hurt and has no upside.

 

[Eric Stratton]

Coaching changes in the middle of the season rarely work. Do you think the firing of Wade has inspired the players? I be surprised if the Vikings or the Cowboys get to 500.

I take it you didn't watch the Cowboys play today.

No I did not. It was one win. Feel free to bump this thread when the Cowboys win next week.

Feel free to admit that the firing of Wade inspired the players.

 

[Eric Stratton]

I have no vested interest in the Vikings, Chilly, or Favre.I saw a Viking team that looked to be building a very solid base team. They drafted Jackson to be groomed as their QB. They never gave Jackson a chance to grow with the team. Chilly then brought Favre is for a quick one year fix. That quick one year fix totally disrupted and destroyed what the Vikings were building. Favre is the ultimate drame queen. The team has never been stable since. Favre is one of the best ever, but he is 41, always hurt and has no upside.

So tell us where this team would be now with Jackson as the QB.

 

[sho nuff]

No...it isn't hard to read into what you are saying. His point was the Chilly was doing well but added Favre and now things are blowing up. Of course you will agree with that. You saw an opportunity to take a shot at Favre and you did. Guess what....this has so much more to do with Chilly than Favre that you guys won't admit. Yes, Favre is part of the problem this this year BUT it has nothing to do with how the player view Chilly or how he has lost their respect. It isn't often a player admits in public the team isn't playing for the coach and that has happened with the Vikings. Don't blame Favre for that.

My point was to disagree solely with the point that it was incorrect to say that Chilly was building it the right way.Thats all I did.The rest is your assumption about what I think.I think Chilly is screwing it up.I think the ownership is screwing up.I think the Players are screwing up (that includes even Favre).Where do I not admit it?I have been saying for a while that Chilly sucks as a coach. This is nothing new.And Favre is one who admitted that.Is he not the QB? Is he not supposed to be a team leader?I don't blame him for it all...but he is a big part of that. Chilly is an even bigger problem though.Just seems some of you sure want to go out of your way to excuse Favre from this though and put it almost all on Chilly. I think that is a mistake.

 

[Donnybrook]

Coaching changes in the middle of the season rarely work. Do you think the firing of Wade has inspired the players? I be surprised if the Vikings or the Cowboys get to 500.

I take it you didn't watch the Cowboys play today.

No I did not. It was one win. Feel free to bump this thread when the Cowboys win next week.

Feel free to admit that the firing of Wade inspired the players.

How would I know that I never watched the game? Did the firing of Phillips inspire Eli to throw a pick 6 in the red zone. Unless the Cowboys run the table for rest of the season that game is meaningless.

 

[Da Guru]

I have no vested interest in the Vikings, Chilly, or Favre.I saw a Viking team that looked to be building a very solid base team. They drafted Jackson to be groomed as their QB. They never gave Jackson a chance to grow with the team. Chilly then brought Favre is for a quick one year fix. That quick one year fix totally disrupted and destroyed what the Vikings were building. Favre is the ultimate drame queen. The team has never been stable since. Favre is one of the best ever, but he is 41, always hurt and has no upside.

So tell us where this team would be now with Jackson as the QB.

Where are they now? Favre last year was like a 20 year reunion that everyone had a great time at, when you do it again the next year it is not quite the same.

 

[Rogi]

I wish Wilf would see what the coaching change did for Dallas this week and follow their lead. The Vikings still have a very, very small playoff hope but they need some motivation that I don't think Chilly can provide.

 

[snogger]

For those voting yes. Who would you replace him with?

Fraizer.. He has been a leading candidate for other openings, give him 7 games to see what he has.

This is the correct answer. Chilly is a cancer on that team and it is time to remove it

Several Pro bowlers on defense and they manage to get one sack on Cutler. I am not impressed with Fraizer. Wilf needs to wait until January and clean house.

Frazier has zippo to work with in his CB's and Safteies thanks to Childress's great Player moves.He really needs to just give up protecting them and bring the LB's on the blitz.

Protecting the crappy CB's and safeties isn't working so might as well go for broke.

 

[snogger]

Coaching changes in the middle of the season rarely work. Do you think the firing of Wade has inspired the players? I be surprised if the Vikings or the Cowboys get to 500.at this point what do they have to lose??They find out what players want to be part of the team next year AND find out if Frazier has the makings to be a HC next year..

 

[Ookie Pringle]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN...EMPLATE=DEFAULT

Childress still second-guessed, Favre has second thoughts as Vikings continue to disintegrate

By JIM LITKE

AP Sports Columnist

CHICAGO (AP) -- After ripping coach Brad Childress behind his back all week, the Minnesota Vikings finally backed up their words with deeds.

They didn't exactly quit Sunday against the Chicago Bears, but their effort was far from a ringing endorsement of their embattled boss. They got beat physically all over the field, folded up in the second half and lost every phase of the game by the time it was over. Brett Favre, returning to Soldier Field on the heels of yet another signature comeback against Arizona only last week, fumbled once and was intercepted three times. And he was far from Minnesota's only problem.

Two of those interceptions came when Favre's receivers slipped and a third followed a tipped pass. But he wasn't about to kid himself and write them all down to bad luck. The Vikings still have all the pieces that made them a preseason Super Bowl pick, but there's no denying the sum of those parts is - at the moment, anyway - the NFL's most dysfunctional family.

His eyes watery and his voice low, Favre wondered aloud whether a return for one more season was the right call.

"Had I known it would be like this," he said after a 27-13 loss dropped the Vikings to 3-6 and all but knocked them out of playoff contention, "sure, it would have been easier to make a decision."

Favre is not the only member of the organization suffering some form of buyer's remorse. Several others, including some players, leaked word to the Chicago Sun-Times earlier this week that Childress could count on little support and even less loyalty from the locker room going forward.

"We know Childress doesn't have our backs, so why should we have his?" one player said. "We're playing for us and we're winning despite him."

Now they're not even doing that.

Childress said afterward he had no problem with either the team's or Favre's effort. But he wasn't handing out any praise, either.

"I know our receivers probably could have stood up, there were a couple slips there. But I thought he had a pretty good rhythm early on in the passing game," Childress said, "and how he lost that hand, I'm not sure."

The last part could be interpreted as a subtle dig at his quarterback, but who knows with these Vikings?

Everyone from owner Zygi Wilf on down has weighed in - on and off the record - on just about every decision that's been made. It's forced people to choose sides in a tiring string of debates, from whether bringing back here-today, gone-tomorrow receiver Randy Moss was a good idea, to Childress' mix of run and pass plays on offense from week to week.

Favre, who's pushed the passing option most of the season, may have taken a subtle dig at his coach this time around by suggesting the Vikings didn't run enough.

It came as Favre tried to explain how the Bears' defense zeroed in on him during a tough second half. Favre completed nine of 12 passes for 105 yards and a touchdown in the opening half, posting a quarterback rating of 128.8; in the second, he was 9 of 19 for 56 yards and threw three interceptions. His quarterback rating tumbled to 44.4.

Asked what adjustment the defense made, Favre said simply, "The Chicago Bears, they don't adjust."

A moment later, he added, "They came in with the mindset they were going to play cover-two, which is daring you to run the ball. There were tight windows to throw in. I was trying to take what they were giving us, but we know what happened."

What happens next is anyone's guess, though it's hard to imagine either Favre or Childress winning the battle of wills decisively.

The quarterback is making $1 million per game. The coach signed a five-year contract extension after the team reached the NFC championship game last season. He did not sound concerned that the volume will likely be cranked up on calls for his firing. Childress planned to be coaching next week, he said evenly, "until I get any word differently."

But there's little doubt who won the popularity contest. Other than talking into his headset, Childress had so little contact with his players or other assistants on the sideline Sunday that he could have been mistaken for one of the guys carrying the down-and-distance markers.

He exchanged words with Favre briefly on the sideline with 8:37 left in the game. But offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, who's functioned as a go-between for coach and quarterback all season, quickly showed up and the conversation between Childress and Favre ended. Two plays later, running back Adrian Peterson fell at the end of a pass route over the middle and Chicago linebacker Lance Briggs intercepted the pass.

"The way we're playing, it will take but a couple more losses and we will be out of it," Favre said. "That's just being honest. I don't know how to sugarcoat it."

About the only topic everyone on the Vikings agrees on is the time has come to shut up and play.

"The more you talk about it," said defensive end Jared Allen, "the more it remains an issue."

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Jim Litke is a national sports columnist for The Associated Press.