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Footballguy
In my auction league, the 6th and last spot is awarded not on record or total points, but on Victory Points. (2 for a win, 0 for a loss, 2 for having a top 4 score in a week, 0 for having a bottom 4 score in a week, 1 for having a mid-tier score in a week.)
In all my other leagues, playoff spots are determined by record, with HTH record as the first tiebreaker in 2 leagues and total points the 1st tiebreaker in the other league.
In all my other leagues, playoff spots are determined by record, with HTH record as the first tiebreaker in 2 leagues and total points the 1st tiebreaker in the other league.
Tau837
Footballguy
I play in 3 leagues, and 2 of them award the final 2 playoff spots to the remaining teams with the highest points scored. So I voted yes.
In one case, it's a 14 team league with 8 playoff teams. The top 3 teams by record in each division make it, and the 2 other spots are based on highest points among remaining teams.
In the other case, it's a 10 team league with 4 playoff teams. The 2 division winners make it and the other 2 spots are based on highest points among remaining teams. In this league, my team is in 4th place in its division at 5-7 but first in the league in points by a very large margin, so I will benefit from this setup.
The downside is that it doesn't matter if I win or lose my next 2 regular season games in this league. And in fact, it has been clear that I'd get in on points for 4-5 weeks now, barring a major collapse. It has taken the head to head drama out of the second half of the season.
In one case, it's a 14 team league with 8 playoff teams. The top 3 teams by record in each division make it, and the 2 other spots are based on highest points among remaining teams.
In the other case, it's a 10 team league with 4 playoff teams. The 2 division winners make it and the other 2 spots are based on highest points among remaining teams. In this league, my team is in 4th place in its division at 5-7 but first in the league in points by a very large margin, so I will benefit from this setup.
The downside is that it doesn't matter if I win or lose my next 2 regular season games in this league. And in fact, it has been clear that I'd get in on points for 4-5 weeks now, barring a major collapse. It has taken the head to head drama out of the second half of the season.
suspected
Footballguy
We may be adding a rule next year. In one league that uses H2H only, I have the most total points in the league but won't make the playoffs.
In a different 14 team, 2 division dynasty league, 8 teams make the playoffs. The top 3 records in each divsion, and the last 2 spots are based on total points.
In a different 14 team, 2 division dynasty league, 8 teams make the playoffs. The top 3 records in each divsion, and the last 2 spots are based on total points.
Double Naught Spy
Footballguy
We don't.
We give them a portion of prize money. Highest points in regular season gets 10% prize pool. 1st and 2nd get 60 - 30 split.
We give them a portion of prize money. Highest points in regular season gets 10% prize pool. 1st and 2nd get 60 - 30 split.
Nemesis
Footballguy
Our rule is 6 playoff spots awarded on record.
However, if the Scoring Champ isn't among the 6, then he gets the 6th spot instead.
ONLY works for the scoring champ (it might be enforced in my league this year depending on this weekend's outcome)
This seems to be "golden parachute" approach as opposed to the ones I've read above.
However, if the Scoring Champ isn't among the 6, then he gets the 6th spot instead.
ONLY works for the scoring champ (it might be enforced in my league this year depending on this weekend's outcome)
This seems to be "golden parachute" approach as opposed to the ones I've read above.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I like this idea a lot. Thanks
John Windle
Footballguy
Our league has four divisions of 3. Four division winners are based on wins & losses, two wild cards based total points scored. Top two division winners with the best record get a first round bye. The remaining four teams play in round one. The rest of the non playoff teams (as well as the two losers of the first round playoff games) go into the Shootout where top cumulative score for the three week playoffs wins their $100 entry fee back.
We don't - but it makes sense to me.
The "better" teams are the ones that score the most points.
H2H keeps things interesting from week to week, and I would not want to get rid of that format. But awarding a wild card spot to a team that has better players, even if they have bad luck when it comes to the schedule - seems like a fair compromise.
The "better" teams are the ones that score the most points.
H2H keeps things interesting from week to week, and I would not want to get rid of that format. But awarding a wild card spot to a team that has better players, even if they have bad luck when it comes to the schedule - seems like a fair compromise.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
This.I don't care if my team was the highest scoring team in the league, if my team didn't win the head-to-head divisional matchups that mattered, then my team should not get in the playoffs.Our 3 division winners get in as the top 3 seeds, then the next 3 best records of all remaining teams regardless of division. Yes, one year we had 4 teams from one division make the playoffs. The 4th place team in that division, who made it in at 7-7, won the League Championship. (Not my team, I lost the championship game that year as the #1 seed.)Crazy8s said:
Day Drinker
Footballguy
Yes. We have two 6 team divisions. Division winners are based on H2H record with TP as the tiebreaker, and both division winners receivea first round bye. The next 4 playoff teams are based on TP. So it is possible for 5 teams to come out of one division, with only the other division winner coming from his division. It is a perfect blend of H2H and TP in my opinion. I always favor TP, but as an earlier poster noted, H2H is what makes FF exciting, and it is necessary as well.
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Day Drinker
Footballguy
I think this thought process is silly to use in FF. You may have had 7 players on bye the week you played the guy you are tied with. This isn't the NFL, just because a team beats you it does not mean they have a better team. FF success is measured by the amount of points you score, H2H is simply a way to make it exciting. Strictly using H2H to determine playoffs is crazy, but to each their own.
inca911
Footballguy
The highest scoring team (Scoring Champ) is clearly the most dangerous team in the league. If the Scoring Champ doesn't get in on H2H record, they get the last spot. Anything else doesn't make a lot of sense. This is fantasy football, not real football. All an owner can control is the amount of points scored by the team. Any system where the owner who does this the best is still out of the playoff picture is flawed.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
All-play leagues are the only way to go if you're interested in fairness at all.
simey
Footballguy
In my main league which is a money league, the team who has scored the most points for the regular season wins $100.00 regardless if they make the playoffs or not. 6 teams make the playoffs (3 teams per division ). When determining the rankings per division in the playoffs, if teams have the same record, the HTH records is the tie-breaker. If teams have the same HTH (they split wins), the team with the most regular season points for the year is the tie-breaker.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I like that twist too.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
No, but think ts a solid idea
Zoomanji
Footballguy
PR is OK but it factors in bench points. A team can carry a few extra QBs rather than depth at other positions to boost their PR
Freakin'Farmer
Footballguy
My local league has 3 divisions and the 4th team in is by record but I wish it was points instead. Record vs total points was voted down 7-5 several years ago. I plan on bringing it up again this year for a vote.
Northbound Train
Footballguy
Bout time I've seen this response
CBS has a Power Ranking that is comprised of Record + Total Points + All-Play RecordYou get ranked 1-12 in all 3 categories with 12 being the highest...I am implementing this in all of my leagues next year to ensure the best teams (outside of Division Winners) get in the PLayoffs....as much as I love H2H it really shouldn't be used as a tie-breaker (unless you play a team twice) as you very well could lose a week 5 matchup based on several players on a BYE.
Northbound Train
Footballguy
I am almost 100% certain that CBS does NOT compute Bench Points in their factoring of the Power Ranking
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
You are correct.We switched to this years ago. Power ranking works great. It typically rewards the team that has been consistently good all season
MarcO
Footballguy
the only thing wrong here is that the #6 seed is actually the best team in the league and depending on your playoff bracket, the #1 seed will likely have the toughest road to the championship of the top seeds. It would be better to get the #2 or #3 seed rather than the 1.
Chairshot
Footballguy
This is the problem I see with awarding the last playoff spot to the points leader (in the "golden parachute" scenario). You are basically giving a big ole middle finger to the #1 seed. It doesn't really seem fair that the #1 seed should, be design, have a tougher go of it then the #2 or #3 seed. I would think the only fair way to do it in that type of situation is to re-seed all the playoff qualifying teams by TP before the playoffs start, which doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me since H2H records have been used all the way up to that point to see who would make it anyway.We don't award playoff spots based on total points in any of the leagues I'm in, tho TP are used as a tie breaker in a number of situations. In the league I commish, we give a prize equal to the entry fee back to the TP leader, regardless if he makes the playoffs or not, so, if nothing else, they at least got to play the season for free. And if he does qualify for the playoffs, he can win more there, as well.Giving the last playoff spot based on TP sounds like a good idea on paper. But I think it marginalizes the H2H aspect and potentially kinda screws the #1 seed, depending on how it's set up. I think I'd rather keep H2H leagues separate from points leagues. There are plenty of points leagues out there if people like using TP over H2H.
Koya
Footballguy
I am in one league which does, and two that do not. Have been lobbying for a while in my longest league with no luck.
A few years back, I actually missed the playoffs while winning most points. Thankfully got $$'s out of it, but sucked to know my team was indeed amongst the better/best in the league, but some bad luck and a few close losses screwed me.
A few years back, I actually missed the playoffs while winning most points. Thankfully got $$'s out of it, but sucked to know my team was indeed amongst the better/best in the league, but some bad luck and a few close losses screwed me.
Crazy8s
Footballguy
Guys... we are talking about sports...the "Better" team DOES NOT always win!... Its part of the sport. That is what makes it so exciting and unpredictable.
In MY OPINION...total points is weak and cowardly! (Sorry)
If you want to award them with a bonus (money), I can see that.
In MY OPINION...total points is weak and cowardly! (Sorry)
If you want to award them with a bonus (money), I can see that.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I'd say it's weak and cowardly to hope your team gets lucky in head-to-head matchups that don't always reward the better team.Crazy8s said:
Crazy8s
Footballguy
Funny you highlight JUST that portion. If you played sports you'd know its part of the experience that the better team does not always win. But you have your opinion..... And i have mine. And I perfer EXCITEMENT!...UNPREDICTABLE
Crazy8s
Footballguy
And I'll add another thought! If you don't play HTH and the entire league is set up on total points, I'm ok with that...thats the league system. But to throw out HTH for the last playoffs spot is what i have an issue with.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
It's plenty exciting and unpredictable without arbitrary head-to-head matchups that are not in any way like they are in real life. In real life, I have control over how my opponent fares. Not in fantasy football. So with that being the case, why should you have H2H matchups? There's no reason to. Does it make sense to lose 145-144 one week while someone else "wins" 40-39? Of course not, since none of us had anything to do with how many points our opponent scored. It's all just blind luck. Might as well go put some money down on the roulette wheel. Same thing.
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BeTheMatch
Footballguy
We do an all-play all year, including in the playoffs.
Jersey35
Footballguy
If your method of seeding the playoffs doesn't take total points into account in some manner, then you are not making attempt to seed the best team(s). Seems silly to consider placing anything but the "best teams" in the playoffs, but if that's what you think is best, no problem - you certainly have the right to feel that way, but don't come in here spewing your head-to-head rules as the right way to do it, because they aren't. The whole point should to reward only the best teams with the opportunity for the prize pool.
Head-to-head record, while a fun and necessary (IMHO) part of the enjoyment that is fantasy football, is pretty much the worst determinant of the quality of the teams. Might as well just flip a coin.
Quick quiz:
Which team is better and is most deserving of an opportunity to win the prize at the end of the season?
Team A, who scored the most points in the league
or
Team B, who scored more points than Team A in week 2 and in week 9
If the answer to this question isn't obvious to you, you probably shouldn't be posting in this thread.
Head-to-head record, while a fun and necessary (IMHO) part of the enjoyment that is fantasy football, is pretty much the worst determinant of the quality of the teams. Might as well just flip a coin.
Quick quiz:
Which team is better and is most deserving of an opportunity to win the prize at the end of the season?
Team A, who scored the most points in the league
or
Team B, who scored more points than Team A in week 2 and in week 9
If the answer to this question isn't obvious to you, you probably shouldn't be posting in this thread.
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Yenrub
Footballguy
Really? Why is that so obvious?How many more points did Team A score than Team B over the course of the season? 1? 10? 50? 100?It’s very possible that if the two teams played against only each other over the course of the season that Team B could have a winning record against Team A despite being outscored for the season.
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JRoss
Footballguy
12 team league with no divisions. We play double headers each week.
The top 5 teams by record (ties are broken by total points) make the playoffs. The last spot goes to the team with the most total points not already in the top 5 by record.
The top 2 teams get a bye and then round 2 (semi-finals) are re-seeded in which the #1 seed plays the lowest seed to win in round 1.
The top 5 teams by record (ties are broken by total points) make the playoffs. The last spot goes to the team with the most total points not already in the top 5 by record.
The top 2 teams get a bye and then round 2 (semi-finals) are re-seeded in which the #1 seed plays the lowest seed to win in round 1.
Swamprat
Footballguy
Yes we do it in one of my leagues. Most of the time it has been the same team that would have made it if we went by record. But when its not there is a huge discussion at the next owner's meeting about it, usually started by the owner who would have made it in went by record.
DoubleG
Footballguy
2 divisions - 10 teamer.
2 Division winners (first round byes)
Tie breakers for division winners are (in order) - 1) division record, 2) total points, 3) total points including bench players
4 Wildcard teams based on 4 best remaining records. Tie breakers 1) CBS Power ranking, 2) H2H 3) total points 4) total points + bench.
We have never gottebn past power ranking for WC tie breakers and never gotten past total points in determining division winners.
The total point winner receives 10% cash bonus - but has no "automatic playoff berth". Incidentally, in 6 years, the points leader has never NOT been in the playoffs - in fact, the points leader has won their division 4 out 5 times (this year isn't over yet).
2 Division winners (first round byes)
Tie breakers for division winners are (in order) - 1) division record, 2) total points, 3) total points including bench players
4 Wildcard teams based on 4 best remaining records. Tie breakers 1) CBS Power ranking, 2) H2H 3) total points 4) total points + bench.
We have never gottebn past power ranking for WC tie breakers and never gotten past total points in determining division winners.
The total point winner receives 10% cash bonus - but has no "automatic playoff berth". Incidentally, in 6 years, the points leader has never NOT been in the playoffs - in fact, the points leader has won their division 4 out 5 times (this year isn't over yet).
Jersey35
Footballguy
Don't be obtuse. There's no perfect measure of which team is better in FF, mostly due to small sample size, but total points is a far, far better evaluator that head-to-head record.Like I said, if head-to-head is your thing, and you don't mind a system where the best teams often may not make the playoffs, then go for it. If you're interested in rewarding the best teams, then total points should be accounted for in some manner (be it power rank, victory points, or straight-up total points).
Yenrub
Footballguy
I think I am going to have the highest scoring team in a Zealots league this season and I will not make the playoffsIt sucks but I am ok with it because it is a head to head leagueI just wonder why leagues would award 5 teams playoff spots based on H2H and then do something totally different for the 6th and final playoff spotIf getting the best teams in the playoffs is your goal and you think that total points is the best way to detrmine the best teams why not use total points for all playoff spots? Be consistantDon't be obtuse. There's no perfect measure of which team is better in FF, mostly due to small sample size, but total points is a far, far better evaluator that head-to-head record.Like I said, if head-to-head is your thing, and you don't mind a system where the best teams often may not make the playoffs, then go for it. If you're interested in rewarding the best teams, then total points should be accounted for in some manner (be it power rank, victory points, or straight-up total points).
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