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And now Philip Merling with the 32nd pick...a guy who was projected by many to go in the top 15...a great pick, but it also signals the end of the Jason Taylor...they gotta trade him now.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
We can't have 2 DEs?
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Apparently you only play 1 DE now.Funny, because I thought most teams used 2 or more (usually more). I also wouldn't think this would be the first time a team drafted a player to come in behind an older guy that only had a couple years left. Yeah, I believe that's happened once or twice or 1000 times before.We can't have 2 DEs?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I was 
when Brohm went to GB, but I guess I am 
about Henne.
I am
about Merling. Big time.
when Brohm went to GB, but I guess I am about Henne.I am
about Merling. Big time.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
This is the happiest I've been about a Fins draft in the last decade.
I wanted Jake Long all offseason and then when their second rounder came up I was hoping they'd take either Merling or Henne. They got both.
After all the blunders lately (I about broke a window when they took Fletcher over Brees and when they took Ginn) it's so nice to have Parcells in there.
I wanted Jake Long all offseason and then when their second rounder came up I was hoping they'd take either Merling or Henne. They got both.
After all the blunders lately (I about broke a window when they took Fletcher over Brees and when they took Ginn) it's so nice to have Parcells in there.
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I would have preferred Brohm, but what was the alternative?Henne was the last real good QB on the board. The only positions to address at the pick would have been either OL (where all the value is gone) or WR (but there are sufficient big names that the first pick tomorrow will snag that).Henne and Brohm were supposed to be gone already - I don't see why folks should be complaining about the pick.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Really impressed with KC, Miami, Philly (getting the 2009 1st they wanted AND getting the WR/KR they desparately needed), Wash, Dallas, and a few others.
Really hate the Bears draft so far...
Really hate the Bears draft so far...
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
The Booker trade will be big for the team - getting an extra fourth means Parcells will stockpile even more of "his" type of players for the defense. I think the next two rounds we'll see WR, CB and maybe interior OL addressed.
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Merling looks like a fine player, but I'm not sure how he has any impact in a 2-gap 3-4 scheme. Waiting to hear what the Fins have to say about him.I waswhen Brohm went to GB, but I guess I am
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
A+ draft so far.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Miami's draft has been OK but I also think it could have been a lot better. I don't believe Long will be ever be a top5 at his position and I do believe one and maybe two of the Tackles thatw ent int he missle of the 1st will end up doing far better than he. However I understand the pick and why it was made but the Phins could have found their LT at the 1.08, 1.12, take your pick but they could have traded down and done just as well...the problem was no one wanted their pick, not 1 team.
I think they addressed a need at 2.01 but I am not that excited about Merling. I would have liked to see them grab backyard talent Calais Campbell who fell off some as a Junior but is a beast at 6"7' 290 lbs, the guy could play a few spots on defense and would be just fine at DE in a 3-4 as big as he is.
Henne? I do like the fact Miami is developing 2 young arms while McCown likely starts the season.
I think they addressed a need at 2.01 but I am not that excited about Merling. I would have liked to see them grab backyard talent Calais Campbell who fell off some as a Junior but is a beast at 6"7' 290 lbs, the guy could play a few spots on defense and would be just fine at DE in a 3-4 as big as he is.
Henne? I do like the fact Miami is developing 2 young arms while McCown likely starts the season.
gregjcross
Footballguy
THe team has the #1 pick in first two rounds and an additional second rounder with about 14 different draft needs. It would have been pretty difficult for the Dolphins to come out of this smelling badly unless they gave up Jason Taylor for a third rounder or moved down in the first round and got weak players.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I agree. Long is huge, really strong, and seems to have a nasty streak, but he looks like he has kind of slow hands and feet.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
You must not have watched many Dolphins drafts lately. They've had several years where they were picking in the top 10 and had needs at almost every position that they still managed to completely botch. If Cam Cameron were here this year he probably would've drafted Matt Ryan and Ray Rice with their first two picks.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
The year they took Ronnie Brown? Not a lot of fun after that first pick.Last year? They got out of that draft with a B-
Drafting high has not been a guarantee of success under Mueller. Watching Parcells maintain value at the picks should make every Dolfan
like they did when JJ was at the helm.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/mia.htm
ETA Dr. D is a pimp.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
How can people not love what the Dolphins have done?
Added the top tackle in the draft, and arguably the best player
Added a solid defensive end
Added a real pro style NFL QB prospect; giving them two young guys to compete for the job and push each other
Added another 4th rounder by parting ways with Lorenzo Booker
Great day for the Fins.
Added the top tackle in the draft, and arguably the best player
Added a solid defensive end
Added a real pro style NFL QB prospect; giving them two young guys to compete for the job and push each other
Added another 4th rounder by parting ways with Lorenzo Booker
Great day for the Fins.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Top Tackle in the Draft? Long was projected in major publications as a possible 2nd rounder when the college football season came to an end. i don't think he is head and shoulders better than any of the guys that went in the 12-16 picks in the Draft.The DE they added...solid, OK, but I think Calais Campbell would have been a potentially better pik with a lot of upside. he is huge and could be an anchor on a 3-4 defense. Henne...agree and glad they are delveloping 2 QBs now. Booker being traded bugs me as ROnnie Brown is coming off an ACL tear, would like to see more of what Booker can do. If he is a Westbrook clone as some are saying, we definitely should have held onto him. I think miami will tak at least 1 RB in the next few rounds. Maybe as high as the 1st pick tomorrow.
Native
Footballguy
Very happy with the Merling pick, though it will be interesting to see how they use him. They can use him as a strong side 3-4 OLB in the Adalius Thomas mold or thye can bulk him up and ask him to play Left Defensive End.Henne is one of the most piolarizing picks in the drfat. Seems like half the fans LOVE him and half cant stand him. Im personally in the second boat, though I defer to Parcells and Co. Overall good day for the Phins.
A trade down would be nice but I wouldn't mind seeing Doucet or Manningham... Godfrey or Justin King are also possibilities. I like Dan Connor, but is he a Parcells type of LB ?I would definitely go with WR or DB at this spot though.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
They are DEFINITELY going to use him at LDE.IMO, they are going to run a hybrid 3-4, similar to the pats' 3-4, where they flip between the schemes in order to maximaize JT's pass rushing ability.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Manningham - to complete the trifecta.
Dan Connor would be great, too. They are, IMO, the two best players at the phins' positions of need. Of course, the only positions of non-need now are QB, RB, C, RG, LT, NT.
While I agree with this, we must remember that the Dolphins top-3 or 4 CBs going into 2007 were injured for just abot the entire year last year. They actually HAVE some good backfield players. I am not sure whether Parcells sees the defensive backfield as much of a priority as the front 7 and WR spots. I think the 4th is where Parcells will address a thumper for safety, but I think the CB spot is about as set as its going to be with starters. Finally, let's not forget that the phins still need a LG (or RT and move Carey to LG)I don't think we can really pigeonhole what Parcells is apt to do the next pick (or next three rounds) The phins have so many holes to fill. A bruising FB must be a target today as the Dolphins' short yardage ability has been horrible the last few years
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Keep hearing that Conner is too small for a Parcels type ILB.I'm not so sure about our secondary - Godfrey seems like a good pick here in the 3rd.Manningham - to complete the trifecta.Dan Connor would be great, too. They are, IMO, the two best players at the phins' positions of need. Of course, the only positions of non-need now are QB, RB, C, RG, LT, NT.
While I agree with this, we must remember that the Dolphins top-3 or 4 CBs going into 2007 were injured for just abot the entire year last year. They actually HAVE some good backfield players. I am not sure whether Parcells sees the defensive backfield as much of a priority as the front 7 and WR spots. I think the 4th is where Parcells will address a thumper for safety, but I think the CB spot is about as set as its going to be with starters. Finally, let's not forget that the phins still need a LG (or RT and move Carey to LG)I don't think we can really pigeonhole what Parcells is apt to do the next pick (or next three rounds) The phins have so many holes to fill. A bruising FB must be a target today as the Dolphins' short yardage ability has been horrible the last few years
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
They are all good picks. I don't have a problem with Godfrey or Manningham or Doucet.
I just wouldn't pigeon hole into only being psyched if Parcells takes DB/WR when:
1) there are a lot of really good players on the board at a lot of spots;
2) the Dolphins still have needs at non-skill spots
3) Parcells builds teams from the inside out
4) the spot we really need to fill is safety, not CB
I like the idea of trading down. This next pick has significantly more perceived value than in prior years: Miami's been "on the clock" for a LOT longer than any previous team waiting on the top of the third. Teams have had a breather to analyze what is there and fall in love with a player or two. Teams have had much more time to work out trades.
This morning from 10 a.m. to 11 a.m. might be the most interesting hour of second day drafting ever.
I just wouldn't pigeon hole into only being psyched if Parcells takes DB/WR when:
1) there are a lot of really good players on the board at a lot of spots;
2) the Dolphins still have needs at non-skill spots
3) Parcells builds teams from the inside out
4) the spot we really need to fill is safety, not CB
I like the idea of trading down. This next pick has significantly more perceived value than in prior years: Miami's been "on the clock" for a LOT longer than any previous team waiting on the top of the third. Teams have had a breather to analyze what is there and fall in love with a player or two. Teams have had much more time to work out trades.
This morning from 10 a.m. to 11 a.m. might be the most interesting hour of second day drafting ever.
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If they wanted to replace Benson they should have just taken Mendenhall and been done with it. If they wanted to upgrade their RBs they could have easily waited until the third round. To me the Forte pick shows they don't know what they want to do.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Or taken a peak at Arena ball.Replacing Benson should haver been priority #1.I know this is a phin thread, but a few drafts confused the heck out of me. Baltimore, Green Bay, and Chicago really confused me.
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
If you buy into coachspeak, Sparano has said that they'll play a 4-3 or 3-4 but won't use multiple fronts. I'm having trouble finding the URL today, but here's some excerpts from an article written in early April.Dolphins still non-committal on 3-4 defense
By Omar Kelly | Sun-Sentinel.com
Sparano said it is important that a defense create an identity, and that he will likely stay away from a hybrid scheme that combines the 4-3 and 3-4 like the one the Dolphins have used the past three years.
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However, Sparano did list his projected starting front seven, and it was formulated as if the Dolphins were running a 3-4 scheme.
Matt Roth, a fourth-year player whose play has been sporadic the past three seasons, was listed as the starting left end. Vonnie Holliday was penciled in as the starting right defensive end, with Jason Ferguson, whom the Dolphins traded with Dallas to acquire this offseason, as the nose tackle.
Sparano initially listed Randy Starks instead of Holliday as the starting right end, then revised his thinking later on, praising Holliday's leadership and delegating Starks as a guy who will play both right end and nose tackle.
Jason Taylor and Joey Porter were Sparano's projected starting outside linebackers, and Channing Crowder and Torbor were named as the potential starting inside linebackers.
FWIW, I wouldn't think that Connor fits Parcells favored LB type, but Dat Nguyen won the Tuna over in Dallas. I think a guy like Jonathan Goff or Gary Guyton might be a better fit if they're serious about the 3-4 base.
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Armor & Sword
Footballguy
Long is a Hass. I don't know what publications you were reading but some like to go out and call things others don't. As far as Booker being a Westbrook clone....in his wet dreams. He is very undersized. They will pick up an other RB and Parcells likes big strong and fast. Not small, skinny and fast. Booker was a decent change of pace 3rd down type. He will never be a starter in this league. And he is more suited for a west coast scheme not what the Dolphins are going to start doing. The Fins are transforming into a smash mouth runnng game with a vertical passing game off play action.And Dolphins fans don't give up on Ginn Jr yet. The kid has a ton of skills. Be patient with what is only a second year WR who had no QB worth a crap throwing him the ball last season.
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
At this point, a JT trade would be a conditional 2nd next year plus picks this year.
They won't trade him below the 2.19 that Philly allegedly offered.
I just do not see a trade of JT happening. And I am psyched to have him on the squad.
They won't trade him below the 2.19 that Philly allegedly offered.
I just do not see a trade of JT happening. And I am psyched to have him on the squad.
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I find it hard to believe Miami would ask for a 1st before the draft, decline a 2nd, and then settle on all day two picks for JT, but Schefter rarely reports unfounded information.Maybe a 3 and 5 this year plus a 3 next year?
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Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
I see them taking a 3rd and a 5th with a conditional next year (a 4th that could become a second if taylor gets double digit sacks or something)
Tuna is creative if nothing else.
If not, He keeps taylor, mends those fences, and then trades him for a 2009 1st rounder for a team that needs a pass rusher.
Tuna is creative if nothing else.
If not, He keeps taylor, mends those fences, and then trades him for a 2009 1st rounder for a team that needs a pass rusher.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
If he couldn't get an '08 first from Philly or Jacksonville, what makes you think he'd get one next year?I think he'd accept a 2nd for him next year since the guy would have yet another year on the wheels.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
meaning before October. Teams feel they can solve their needs in the draft and with what is left of FA. JT in july is worth a 1 (for 2009) for the team that needs a rusher.If harvey blows out a knee in TC, you think the jags don't call about JT?In any case, JT still being a dolphin is not a bad thing by any means.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Ah. Got it.
parcells hoping to capitalize on the inevitable camp casualties. Problem is, teams rarely make such deals out of desperation. If the deal wasn't good now, it does not become a better one eust because they suffered an injury (or so the thought process goes).
parcells hoping to capitalize on the inevitable camp casualties. Problem is, teams rarely make such deals out of desperation. If the deal wasn't good now, it does not become a better one eust because they suffered an injury (or so the thought process goes).
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
twitch
Footballguy
Ive gotta say, I love the Miami draft so far. First two picks are linemen, classic Parcells. Gets a Michigan QB with a nice arm and a load of big game experience. Moving and shaking left and right. I said it before. Parcells = the maestro. Good to see Miami finally turning it around.
It's been an extremely long wait.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It's nice to move down 2 and gain a pick...just not sure how excited you get about 6th round picks...most never see the field. Miami is doing fine, gonna be a lunchpail type of team which is fine.
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