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JT will be an OLB if he stays anyways............
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Footballguy
I love the pick, I think the Dolphins have had a solid draft so far. I felt Henne was as good or better than any QB in the draft.Dolphin fans can go out and get their Henne jersey's as this guy will be your starting QB one day.
Marc Levin
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I guess since I moved to Rhode Island it's OK for me to agree as much as I do with a New England patriots fan about football. It just feels weird. I'm not prejudiced, by the way - one of my best friends is a Pats fan. He's one of the "good ones."So is Twitch.
Marc Levin
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FWIW, I know I am a homer, but I think the best drafts so far - by a mile - are KC and Miami.
Honorable mention to Baltimore (really turned it around here on day two) and I'm starting to like the Houston draft.
The Pats also did exactly what they needed to do.
Honorable mention to Baltimore (really turned it around here on day two) and I'm starting to like the Houston draft.
The Pats also did exactly what they needed to do.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I am not saying Miami hasn't drafted well, but the media almost always drools all over Parcells's drafts. Heck, he could draft a kicker and a punter in the first two rounds, and the talking heads at ESPN would give him a A- grade.
Marc Levin
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Experience, toughness, versatility - I have no problem with the pick. I think Parcells knows what he's doing when it comes to o-linemen, and I trust him grading out Murphy higher for the TEAM than the other three guys. He, after all, knows what the OC and OL coach want, right?SupaDupaTD
Footballguy
Miami also has a hole at LG and needs someone who can have a chance of playing now. If it takes an older guard a little less time to develop - even if he has a shorter future on the back end - then it was a good pick.
twitch
Footballguy
kind words. It IS the offseason. We can hate one another in September for a few weeks at a time. Until then, Im a football fan, and Ill always pull for the division. And I'll be the first to admit that while winning is usually fun, its just not as much fun beating 1-15 teams. Im looking for Buffalo to step it up some this year, too. The Jets - not so much.
Your boys had a great draft overall. Im a big fan of picking up the BIGs. It'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out at QB, with RBrown's recovery, the figuring of your front 7, rookie coach. The switch from 4-3 to 3-4 alone is gonna make your season that much more interesting. Now, if they could only do something about those COLORS. Good god.
Lord of the Rings
Footballguy
I'm kind of surprised that the Dolphins didn't draft a WR.
Are they really content heading into the season with: T. Ginn, D. Hagan and E. Wilford? Maybe Keyshawn really is coming out of retirement.
Are they really content heading into the season with: T. Ginn, D. Hagan and E. Wilford? Maybe Keyshawn really is coming out of retirement.
twitch
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Considering this team is still probably a full year away from where they want to be, Id say that trio is a very solid young trio to develop. Hagan is a serious player, imo. He's a #1 given time. Wiliford really should be put in the slot, but who knows. But theyve got a little bit of everything with this group. Size, speed, playmaking, youth. Give 'em some time. These guys might be nasty.
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Marc Levin
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On WRs, I have always liked Hagan. His work ethic is top notch and he is a Parcells type of "tough." Don't forget last year's emerging star who was responsible for the dolphins only win: Greg Camarillo.
For depth, they brought in the Rams/Broncos castoff Kircus. That is the 5 they will likely go with in '08.
Including Bess, the team now has 8 WRs on the roster.
Until Pareclls settles on a QB, what they have is fine. Plus, there are June 1 cuts coming up - a vet will come free. Last, the team may not be done trading anmd there are a couple of WRs who may be holding out/on the trading block deep into TC (Boldin, CJ, Roy)
For depth, they brought in the Rams/Broncos castoff Kircus. That is the 5 they will likely go with in '08.
Including Bess, the team now has 8 WRs on the roster.
Until Pareclls settles on a QB, what they have is fine. Plus, there are June 1 cuts coming up - a vet will come free. Last, the team may not be done trading anmd there are a couple of WRs who may be holding out/on the trading block deep into TC (Boldin, CJ, Roy)
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Marc Levin
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BTW, I love what the phins did in the draft, but I admit I don't know much about their last 4 picks.
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
I also love what the Dolphins did with the draft - except for the Henne pick in the 3rd - he reminds me of a one legged Bledsoe wannabe. Still want Godfrey with that pick.
They drafted some behemoths for both sides of the line. I've wanted then to do that for over 12 years now.
Last year special teams were atrocious and they couldn't stop the run to save their lives. Everything Parcells has done since joining the team has addressed those 2 issues.
They drafted some behemoths for both sides of the line. I've wanted then to do that for over 12 years now.
Last year special teams were atrocious and they couldn't stop the run to save their lives. Everything Parcells has done since joining the team has addressed those 2 issues.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I will always share my opinion when I have good knowledge about something, but I have no idea whether Henne will be good and I have no idea whether he is better than Brohm or not, but is it possible that Parcells had Henne ranked higher? Or do you think that they said if either of these guys falls we will grab them?
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the dolphins stated that henne was their #2 rated QB. I am sure if they had the choice of both of them at their pick (as opposed to GB taking Brohn right before them) we may have heard a differnent story. Still, Henne played for a big school, looked great againt UF in their bowl game, and was a 4 year starter at Michigan. Not too shabby a resume. If they took him at 32, most people would have been okay with it, saying, "Okay, they are not sold on Beck". They passed on him at 32 b/c they probably had another QB later on their draft board and wanted to use the pick elsewhere. The fact the same guy they had considered at 32 was there at 57 makes this both a nice fit for the parcells draft, and a value steal considering where they valued him.We have 3 QBs with low contract numbers on the team. We can let them battle it out and see if one emerges, or take our shots next year once we have a real line to protect him. (PS. If we continue to suck, their is a guy named Tebow out there who might be able to help us (as a gator fan, I can dream, cant I))
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
They were all set to draft Henne at #32 until Merling fell to them. They had Merling ranked in the Top 15.When Green Bay took Brohm towards the end of the 2nd rd (#56) a cheer went up in the Dolphins draft room. They got their man - Henne at #57 who they would have taken at #32 if Merling didn't fall.I think it's safe to say the Dolphins had Henne rated higher than Brohm.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Nobody will say it because the picks are so low, but the Giants had a great draft. Huge hole at safety and they get the best one in the draft (many projected 10 picks earlier), 2nd round they get a needed CB (Thomas) and then pick up a WR that many thought would go in the 2nd round (Manningham) in the 3rd round and then fill in with linebacker help. I thought they did great, but because all their picks were at #32 nobody mentions anything.I like the Miami draft a lot, the plan was solid and executed well. If Long is the 7th best tackle in the league (some people said he will never be a top 5) I think it is a good move. Henne will be important to the drafts success, but you get the feeling that if the line play is better Beck could be OK as well. This will be exciting.What is the consensus on getting rid of Booker for a 4th round pick? I was kind of wondering why as I think that would be about the value and he seems worthy of a 4th, but I don't think it was bad. Something tells me that part of getting that 4th was to give flexibility in the draft in a possible trade or even just a few guys that they targeted that they felt were worth more to the team than Booker.I hope Murphy the 4th round guard can be a player as he is an interesting prospect.
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Footballguy
I get the feeling the PR might have been different if GB took Henne, but I hope you are right.
Marc Levin
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I had been hearing for a while before the draft that Parcells was very high on Henne. I doubt the PR would have been different (and I think =Smackdown= was @ the draft)
*I* prefer Brohm, I was hoping for Brohm at 32, I was pissed when GB took him and removed the option.
But, I think Parcells is more happy with Henne than Brohm. Parcells hates, more than anything else, players who seem to get injured a lot. That has been Brohm's track record. While he has played through a lot of the soft tissue injuries he took in college, he still had them.
If Jake Long, Merling, and Henne are not complete busts - even if they disappoint for their draft spots - this will have been the Dolphins' most successful draft in years. And I believe all three are destined to be solid contributors to the Dolphins for the next 5 years. They don't need Pro Bowlers out of this crew to make it an A graded draft.
*I* prefer Brohm, I was hoping for Brohm at 32, I was pissed when GB took him and removed the option.
But, I think Parcells is more happy with Henne than Brohm. Parcells hates, more than anything else, players who seem to get injured a lot. That has been Brohm's track record. While he has played through a lot of the soft tissue injuries he took in college, he still had them.
If Jake Long, Merling, and Henne are not complete busts - even if they disappoint for their draft spots - this will have been the Dolphins' most successful draft in years. And I believe all three are destined to be solid contributors to the Dolphins for the next 5 years. They don't need Pro Bowlers out of this crew to make it an A graded draft.
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The Jerk
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Frankly, that is exactly what SHOULD happen when you're drafting first.Similarly, KC should also have a good draft with two picks in the top 15.Marc Levin said:
I'm not trying to knock these drafts, as I think both Miami and KC made significant improvements to their rosters. I'm just not at all surprised given the logistics involved in having the first slot or two top 15 picks. Sure, some teams have blown it even with those scenarios, but very few drafts with those setups look bad 48 hours removed. As for all drafts, we'll know a lot more by the 2010 season.
the draft... Dolphin/Wolverine fan. :(
Marc Levin
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While what you say is true, Miami has had top-level draft positions the last few years and has emerged with questionable selections - or had traded away high picks for players that turned out to be poor choices (Culpepper). This draft, it looks like they used their draft picks well. They got really really good value with both Merling and Henne - both of whom were projected as potential 1st round picks. Having Jake Long signed before draft day - an advantage reserved for the team selecting #1 overall - automatically bumps their grade up a half notch.You have to factor in trade aways into the grade and for that reason, Cleveland deserves consideration as having had a great '08 draft. The Pats' '07 draft was AMAZING when you consider the 2nd for Welker and the 4th for Moss. These teams made excellent use of the picks they had - and it is on that factor you may grade a draft.
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The Jerk
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Decisions like these are what produce a 1-15 team, and unless I am mistaken, the first NFL team to fail to win a game in regulation time since 1976. I understand that this draft represents an improvement. My point is that competent drafting under these circumstances should not be surprising.
I'd rather have the Dolphins or Chiefs offseason than the Browns. Of course, they are very different situations, with the Browns trying to crack through to a division championship or at least a wild card. The DL acqusitions involve a lot of money and cap room, a degree of uncertainty, and even if they work out they will have much older players than if they had used those selections on rookies. I applaud them to some extent for going for it in 2008, but going this route arguably tightens up their window on the far side. But if I'm a Browns fan, I'm happy just thinking that the Browns have a window for competing in the playoffs.
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Marc Levin
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What you have to understand is that 'phins fans are surprised to see competent drafting for the first time in over a decade.
That just about sums it up.
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