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[a005511]

wrong guy, sorry

 

[a005511]

It was Tefertiller. He says Manning should be moved yet ranks him as the 4th best QB in dynasty. I see a lot of writers talk out of both sides of their mouths so they can say how good of forecaster they are at the end of the season. No way can a QB can be ranked 4th in dynasty and then say time to get rid of him. If that is the case he should be ranked much lower. The four ranking tells me he is probably better than than number 4 in 2011 and then a top 10 for the next couple years at least.

 

[Dragon1952]

I'm beginning to wonder if those aren't last year's rankings as they are really out of whack, and not sure they wouldn't be out of whack even then. I always click his name off the list when comparing rankings. Mike Wallace #60?...right there with Donald Brown and MSW? Hakeem Nicks #44,Roddy White #46 and Antonio Gates #49 all behind Marion Barber and Michael Bush??? And there's lots more.

edit: just noticed there's no Arian Foster.....definitely from last year.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

It was Tefertiller. He says Manning should be moved yet ranks him as the 4th best QB in dynasty. I see a lot of writers talk out of both sides of their mouths so they can say how good of forecaster they are at the end of the season. No way can a QB can be ranked 4th in dynasty and then say time to get rid of him. If that is the case he should be ranked much lower. The four ranking tells me he is probably better than than number 4 in 2011 and then a top 10 for the next couple years at least.

I do think Manning is very risky and his value has a chance to drop off considerably by next summer. But, at the same time, it is difficult to argue with his Top 5 production year after year. You will definitely see him move DOWN my dynasty rankings as this season progresses. The article you are referring to has a 2012 timeframe for value so Manning is a top fantasy option in 2011 with his decline coming (possibly quickly). By midseason, I expect to have him closer to QB 10 than QB4. He still has a ton of value and is in a great offense.

I'm beginning to wonder if those aren't last year's rankings as they are really out of whack, and not sure they wouldn't be out of whack even then. I always click his name off the list when comparing rankings. Mike Wallace #60?...right there with Donald Brown and MSW? Hakeem Nicks #44,Roddy White #46 and Antonio Gates #49 all behind Marion Barber and Michael Bush??? And there's lots more. edit: just noticed there's no Arian Foster.....definitely from last year.

In these non-PPR rankings, I always downgrade the WRs in comparison to the RBs. I have been very high on Wallace and Nicks. I have those two very high. MSW was mistakenly in there and Foster was my RB2 in RB rankings but is in there now. As far as Mike Bush (and Barber) over the WRs, this is non-PPR. Those two RBs are free agents to be this offseason and could rebound. There are several very good WRs who produce close to similar numbers. I would prefer the RBs. If the rankings were PPR, the rankings would look much differently. Thanks to both of you for the feedback. Please feel free to post in here or PM or email me if anyone has a question about my rankings. Feedback is good. Thanks again.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It was Tefertiller. He says Manning should be moved yet ranks him as the 4th best QB in dynasty. I see a lot of writers talk out of both sides of their mouths so they can say how good of forecaster they are at the end of the season. No way can a QB can be ranked 4th in dynasty and then say time to get rid of him. If that is the case he should be ranked much lower. The four ranking tells me he is probably better than than number 4 in 2011 and then a top 10 for the next couple years at least.

I do think Manning is very risky and his value has a chance to drop off considerably by next summer. But, at the same time, it is difficult to argue with his Top 5 production year after year. You will definitely see him move DOWN my dynasty rankings as this season progresses. The article you are referring to has a 2012 timeframe for value so Manning is a top fantasy option in 2011 with his decline coming (possibly quickly). By midseason, I expect to have him closer to QB 10 than QB4. He still has a ton of value and is in a great offense.

I'm beginning to wonder if those aren't last year's rankings as they are really out of whack, and not sure they wouldn't be out of whack even then. I always click his name off the list when comparing rankings. Mike Wallace #60?...right there with Donald Brown and MSW? Hakeem Nicks #44,Roddy White #46 and Antonio Gates #49 all behind Marion Barber and Michael Bush??? And there's lots more.

edit: just noticed there's no Arian Foster.....definitely from last year.

In these non-PPR rankings, I always downgrade the WRs in comparison to the RBs. I have been very high on Wallace and Nicks. I have those two very high. MSW was mistakenly in there and Foster was my RB2 in RB rankings but is in there now. As far as Mike Bush (and Barber) over the WRs, this is non-PPR. Those two RBs are free agents to be this offseason and could rebound. There are several very good WRs who produce close to similar numbers. I would prefer the RBs. If the rankings were PPR, the rankings would look much differently. Thanks to both of you for the feedback. Please feel free to post in here or PM or email me if anyone has a question about my rankings. Feedback is good. Thanks again.

You would prefer Marion Barber and Michael Bush over Hakeem Nicks and Roddy White? I don't care what format we are talking about that just doesn't make any sense to me - unless the format multiplies production tenfold for running backs whose intitials are "MB".Your defense is that there are several WRs that produce similar numbers? There are plenty of RBs that can give you Marion Barber's minimal production as well isn't there?

I'm sorry to be so blunt about it, but I think you need to unpack that statement a little further.

 

[Steed]

So in Tefertiller's rankings rbs that are in the 50+ range in most people's rankings are ahead of two top 5 wrs? I guess you could justify it if Michael bush comes outta nowhere like foster did, but Marion barber? And then to come in and defend that position. Meh

 

[cr8f]

These are his top 10-Beanie Wells doesn't belong for sure.

1 RB Chris Johnson, TEN 1

12 RB Arian Foster, HOU 2

4 RB Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX 3

3 RB Ray Rice, BAL 4

2 RB Adrian Peterson, MIN 5

14 RB Frank Gore, SF 6

16 RB Jonathan Stewart, CAR 7

24 RB Michael Turner, ATL 8

60 RB Chris Wells, ARI 9

26 RB Ryan Mathews, SD 10

His top 10 WR's in his latest overall rankings

5 WR Andre Johnson, HOU 12

7 WR Calvin Johnson, DET 15

10 WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI 17

29 WR Brandon Marshall, MIA 20

31 WR Reggie Wayne, IND 22

17 WR Greg Jennings, GB 30

27 WR Vincent Jackson, SD 31

28 WR DeSean Jackson, PHI 36

45 WR Marques Colston, NO 37

32 WR Dez Bryant, DAL 39

 

[thriftyrocker]

I was negotiating a trade for Tashard Choice a few weeks back, and after we agreed the guy cancelled my offer so he could offload Barber on me too. Barber has negative value. The empty roster spot is worth more. I would rather have Graig Cooper or DeAndre Brown.

 

[Mister CIA]

I'm starting to think the staff is BS-ing us with their rankings, else it's detrimental to managing their own dynasty rosters. Looks like a heap of orchestrated randomness.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

I'm starting to think the staff is BS-ing us with their rankings, else it's detrimental to managing their own dynasty rosters. Looks like a heap of orchestrated randomness.

I cannot speak for all of the staff members, but mine are actually how I rank players in non-PPR. I answer questions as to players' values in the ACF almost every day so how the record is fairly open as to how I value players in all types of leagues.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

I was negotiating a trade for Tashard Choice a few weeks back, and after we agreed the guy cancelled my offer so he could offload Barber on me too. Barber has negative value. The empty roster spot is worth more. I would rather have Graig Cooper or DeAndre Brown.

Barber's value is low, but I can see him making an impact this year in non-PPR leagues. I like Cooper some, but more for 2012/2013.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

These are his top 10-Beanie Wells doesn't belong for sure. 1 RB Chris Johnson, TEN 1 12 RB Arian Foster, HOU 2 4 RB Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX 3 3 RB Ray Rice, BAL 4 2 RB Adrian Peterson, MIN 5 14 RB Frank Gore, SF 6 16 RB Jonathan Stewart, CAR 7 24 RB Michael Turner, ATL 8 60 RB Chris Wells, ARI 9 26 RB Ryan Mathews, SD 10His top 10 WR's in his latest overall rankings5 WR Andre Johnson, HOU 12 7 WR Calvin Johnson, DET 15 10 WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI 17 29 WR Brandon Marshall, MIA 20 31 WR Reggie Wayne, IND 22 17 WR Greg Jennings, GB 30 27 WR Vincent Jackson, SD 3128 WR DeSean Jackson, PHI 36 45 WR Marques Colston, NO 37 32 WR Dez Bryant, DAL 39

I do not know which rankings those are, but my dynasty top 20 RBs:1 RB Chris Johnson, TEN 3 RB Arian Foster, HOU 6 RB Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX 4 RB Ray Rice, BAL 2 RB Adrian Peterson, MIN 5 RB Jamaal Charles, KC 7 RB LeSean McCoy, PHI 8 RB Rashard Mendenhall,9 RB Mark Ingram, NO 11 RB Matt Forte, CHI 12 RB Frank Gore, SF 16 RB Michael Turner, ATL 24 RB Mikel Leshoure, DET 17 RB Ryan Mathews, SD 14 RB Steven Jackson, STL 17 RB Ryan Williams, ARI 10 RB Jonathan Stewart, CAR 23 RB Shonn Greene, NYJ 13 RB Darren McFadden, OAK 15 RB DeAngelo Williams, CAR The number on the left is the avg staff rank. I checked the redraft rankings to make sure, but he is RB31 there.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

So in Tefertiller's rankings rbs that are in the 50+ range in most people's rankings are ahead of two top 5 wrs? I guess you could justify it if Michael bush comes outta nowhere like foster did, but Marion barber? And then to come in and defend that position. Meh

I am sorry you disagree, but in non-PPR, I value WRs less than RBs. So many WRs score similarly so I feel less desire to spend a high pick on the position.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

It was Tefertiller. He says Manning should be moved yet ranks him as the 4th best QB in dynasty. I see a lot of writers talk out of both sides of their mouths so they can say how good of forecaster they are at the end of the season. No way can a QB can be ranked 4th in dynasty and then say time to get rid of him. If that is the case he should be ranked much lower. The four ranking tells me he is probably better than than number 4 in 2011 and then a top 10 for the next couple years at least.

I do think Manning is very risky and his value has a chance to drop off considerably by next summer. But, at the same time, it is difficult to argue with his Top 5 production year after year. You will definitely see him move DOWN my dynasty rankings as this season progresses. The article you are referring to has a 2012 timeframe for value so Manning is a top fantasy option in 2011 with his decline coming (possibly quickly). By midseason, I expect to have him closer to QB 10 than QB4. He still has a ton of value and is in a great offense.

I'm beginning to wonder if those aren't last year's rankings as they are really out of whack, and not sure they wouldn't be out of whack even then. I always click his name off the list when comparing rankings. Mike Wallace #60?...right there with Donald Brown and MSW? Hakeem Nicks #44,Roddy White #46 and Antonio Gates #49 all behind Marion Barber and Michael Bush??? And there's lots more.

edit: just noticed there's no Arian Foster.....definitely from last year.

In these non-PPR rankings, I always downgrade the WRs in comparison to the RBs. I have been very high on Wallace and Nicks. I have those two very high. MSW was mistakenly in there and Foster was my RB2 in RB rankings but is in there now. As far as Mike Bush (and Barber) over the WRs, this is non-PPR. Those two RBs are free agents to be this offseason and could rebound. There are several very good WRs who produce close to similar numbers. I would prefer the RBs. If the rankings were PPR, the rankings would look much differently. Thanks to both of you for the feedback. Please feel free to post in here or PM or email me if anyone has a question about my rankings. Feedback is good. Thanks again.

You would prefer Marion Barber and Michael Bush over Hakeem Nicks and Roddy White? I don't care what format we are talking about that just doesn't make any sense to me - unless the format multiplies production tenfold for running backs whose intitials are "MB".Your defense is that there are several WRs that produce similar numbers? There are plenty of RBs that can give you Marion Barber's minimal production as well isn't there?

I'm sorry to be so blunt about it, but I think you need to unpack that statement a little further.

The Draft Dominator for this year has not been updated. So, I looked at last year's file for a non-PPR 12-team league I was in. Guess which spot overall the first WR appears when sorted by VBD? It is player 26 overall. Yes, dynasty does change things some, but the VBD sort is the way I look at non-PPR leagues. RBs are worth a ton and are difficult to acquire, similar to QBs in 2QB leagues. The WRs who are not elite (elite = AJ, Calvin, Fitz, etc) are fairly reasonable in non-PPR leagues when compared to RBs. Having a RB like Bush go to Washington, Miami, etc would easily make him a valuable asset in leagues that do not award PPR.

So, to unpack the above quote, RBs are worth more in relative value. It is not as though I do not like WRs, I just feel I can address that position cheaply compared to RB.

 

[IHEARTFF]

These are his top 10-Beanie Wells doesn't belong for sure.

1 RB Chris Johnson, TEN 1

12 RB Arian Foster, HOU 2

4 RB Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX 3

3 RB Ray Rice, BAL 4

2 RB Adrian Peterson, MIN 5

14 RB Frank Gore, SF 6

16 RB Jonathan Stewart, CAR 7

24 RB Michael Turner, ATL 8

60 RB Chris Wells, ARI 9

26 RB Ryan Mathews, SD 10

His top 10 WR's in his latest overall rankings

5 WR Andre Johnson, HOU 12

7 WR Calvin Johnson, DET 15

10 WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI 17

29 WR Brandon Marshall, MIA 20

31 WR Reggie Wayne, IND 22

17 WR Greg Jennings, GB 30

27 WR Vincent Jackson, SD 31

28 WR DeSean Jackson, PHI 36

45 WR Marques Colston, NO 37

32 WR Dez Bryant, DAL 39

I do not know which rankings those are, but my dynasty top 20 RBs:1 RB Chris Johnson, TEN

3 RB Arian Foster, HOU

6 RB Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX

4 RB Ray Rice, BAL

2 RB Adrian Peterson, MIN

5 RB Jamaal Charles, KC

7 RB LeSean McCoy, PHI

8 RB Rashard Mendenhall,

9 RB Mark Ingram, NO

11 RB Matt Forte, CHI

12 RB Frank Gore, SF

16 RB Michael Turner, ATL

24 RB Mikel Leshoure, DET

17 RB Ryan Mathews, SD

14 RB Steven Jackson, STL

17 RB Ryan Williams, ARI

10 RB Jonathan Stewart, CAR

23 RB Shonn Greene, NYJ

13 RB Darren McFadden, OAK

15 RB DeAngelo Williams, CAR

The number on the left is the avg staff rank. I checked the redraft rankings to make sure, but he is RB31 there.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

These are his top 10-Beanie Wells doesn't belong for sure.

1 RB Chris Johnson, TEN 1

12 RB Arian Foster, HOU 2

4 RB Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX 3

3 RB Ray Rice, BAL 4

2 RB Adrian Peterson, MIN 5

14 RB Frank Gore, SF 6

16 RB Jonathan Stewart, CAR 7

24 RB Michael Turner, ATL 8

60 RB Chris Wells, ARI 9

26 RB Ryan Mathews, SD 10

His top 10 WR's in his latest overall rankings

5 WR Andre Johnson, HOU 12

7 WR Calvin Johnson, DET 15

10 WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI 17

29 WR Brandon Marshall, MIA 20

31 WR Reggie Wayne, IND 22

17 WR Greg Jennings, GB 30

27 WR Vincent Jackson, SD 31

28 WR DeSean Jackson, PHI 36

45 WR Marques Colston, NO 37

32 WR Dez Bryant, DAL 39

I do not know which rankings those are, but my dynasty top 20 RBs:1 RB Chris Johnson, TEN

3 RB Arian Foster, HOU

6 RB Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX

4 RB Ray Rice, BAL

2 RB Adrian Peterson, MIN

5 RB Jamaal Charles, KC

7 RB LeSean McCoy, PHI

8 RB Rashard Mendenhall,

9 RB Mark Ingram, NO

11 RB Matt Forte, CHI

12 RB Frank Gore, SF

16 RB Michael Turner, ATL

24 RB Mikel Leshoure, DET

17 RB Ryan Mathews, SD

14 RB Steven Jackson, STL

17 RB Ryan Williams, ARI

10 RB Jonathan Stewart, CAR

23 RB Shonn Greene, NYJ

13 RB Darren McFadden, OAK

15 RB DeAngelo Williams, CAR

The number on the left is the avg staff rank. I checked the redraft rankings to make sure, but he is RB31 there.

He is definitely coming off a great year. I will move him up if Bush leaves. His three seasons in this scoring are RB45, RB55, and RB6. I just am a little leery on DMac in non-PPR leagues. I like him, and his 40+ receptions, more in PPR.

 

[dmac37]

Jeff, I think there is a problem with your overall dynasty rankings.

It shows your rankings are from 6/21 and you have the following rankings for overall (all positions) in dynasty:

Gore- 6th

Turner- 8th

Wells- 9th

Also Rodgers as the 3rd QB

I'm thinking this is not how you really have them ranked

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Jeff, I think there is a problem with your overall dynasty rankings. It shows your rankings are from 6/21 and you have the following rankings for overall (all positions) in dynasty:Gore- 6thTurner- 8thWells- 9thAlso Rodgers as the 3rd QBI'm thinking this is not how you really have them ranked

Thanks. I see what you are saying. I will correct now.

 

[NorrisB]

Jeffs rankings are just so out there I highly doubt usually they're so bad I dont even bother to look at them

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Jeff, I think there is a problem with your overall dynasty rankings. It shows your rankings are from 6/21 and you have the following rankings for overall (all positions) in dynasty:Gore- 6thTurner- 8thWells- 9thAlso Rodgers as the 3rd QBI'm thinking this is not how you really have them ranked

I went back and corrected the overall to match the position rankings. They are still RB heavy, but represent the positional rankings

 

[Mister CIA]

I'm starting to think the staff is BS-ing us with their rankings, else it's detrimental to managing their own dynasty rosters. Looks like a heap of orchestrated randomness.

I cannot speak for all of the staff members, but mine are actually how I rank players in non-PPR. I answer questions as to players' values in the ACF almost every day so how the record is fairly open as to how I value players in all types of leagues.

Care to project stats for Marion Barber and Hakeem Nicks in 2011?

 

[jeter23]

I just checked the rankings and Jeff T does not have Barber ranked at all (on overall). I see on his earlier comment that someone caught some kind of formatting mistake with his overall rankings. Not sure why you guys continue to pose the same question. Are you even looking at his rankings before posting?

 

[Mister CIA]

I just checked the rankings and Jeff T does not have Barber ranked at all (on overall). I see on his earlier comment that someone caught some kind of formatting mistake with his overall rankings. Not sure why you guys continue to pose the same question. Are you even looking at his rankings before posting?

Might have something to do with the fact that rankings JUST changed. This place sucks.

 

[jeter23]

I just checked the rankings and Jeff T does not have Barber ranked at all (on overall). I see on his earlier comment that someone caught some kind of formatting mistake with his overall rankings. Not sure why you guys continue to pose the same question. Are you even looking at his rankings before posting?

Might have something to do with the fact that rankings JUST changed. This place sucks.

Um, yeah. He posted 30 minutes ago that he changed them. Then you posted...

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

I just checked the rankings and Jeff T does not have Barber ranked at all (on overall). I see on his earlier comment that someone caught some kind of formatting mistake with his overall rankings. Not sure why you guys continue to pose the same question. Are you even looking at his rankings before posting?

Might have something to do with the fact that rankings JUST changed. This place sucks.

As dmac pointed out above, the overall rankings did not match the positional so I adjusted the overall rankings only to reflect the positional.

 

[Mister CIA]

I just checked the rankings and Jeff T does not have Barber ranked at all (on overall). I see on his earlier comment that someone caught some kind of formatting mistake with his overall rankings. Not sure why you guys continue to pose the same question. Are you even looking at his rankings before posting?

Might have something to do with the fact that rankings JUST changed. This place sucks.

Um, yeah. He posted 30 minutes ago that he changed them. Then you posted...

His position is as clear as mud.

 

[adrenaline]

This is starting to look like a FFA thread

 

[identikit]

I just checked the rankings and Jeff T does not have Barber ranked at all (on overall). I see on his earlier comment that someone caught some kind of formatting mistake with his overall rankings. Not sure why you guys continue to pose the same question. Are you even looking at his rankings before posting?

Might have something to do with the fact that rankings JUST changed. This place sucks.

Yet here you are, adding nothing of value.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The Draft Dominator for this year has not been updated. So, I looked at last year's file for a non-PPR 12-team league I was in. Guess which spot overall the first WR appears when sorted by VBD? It is player 26 overall. Yes, dynasty does change things some, but the VBD sort is the way I look at non-PPR leagues. RBs are worth a ton and are difficult to acquire, similar to QBs in 2QB leagues. The WRs who are not elite (elite = AJ, Calvin, Fitz, etc) are fairly reasonable in non-PPR leagues when compared to RBs. Having a RB like Bush go to Washington, Miami, etc would easily make him a valuable asset in leagues that do not award PPR. So, to unpack the above quote, RBs are worth more in relative value. It is not as though I do not like WRs, I just feel I can address that position cheaply compared to RB.

Thanks for replying. I play in ppr leagues so there is some bias on my part but even with your explanation, I'm just not seeing the justifcation. Taking receptions out of the equation last year's statistics were:Roddy White: 1492 total yards, 10 TDsHakeem Nicks: 1052 total yards, 11 TDsMichael Bush: 849 total yards, 8 TDsMarion Barber: 423 yards, 4 TDsBoth RBs are approaching an age where their value is only going to go down, particularly Barber. Basing the rankings on the chance that Bush ends up in a good situation via free agency is kind of a stretch imo as well. Could that happen? Maybe, but right now all indications are that the Raiders will re-sign him and in a flooded RB market, I'm not sure Bush ends up anywhere that he gets significant carries.As far as "scarcity", with the trend towards RBBC, there is plenty of backs that can at least get you the production of a Marion Barber. I just can't imagine any scenario where any one would draft either of those RBs before either of those WRs, ppr or not.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I just checked the rankings and Jeff T does not have Barber ranked at all (on overall). I see on his earlier comment that someone caught some kind of formatting mistake with his overall rankings. Not sure why you guys continue to pose the same question. Are you even looking at his rankings before posting?

Barber was ranked ahead of both Nicks and White on his overall rankings, and he even argued that he values both RBs more than the WRs. I realize that everyone approaches things differently and generally there is no right or worng way - I just found that curious.

 

[cr8f]

At least there is some football action this summer (discussion here). I'm getting tired of this holdout already.

 

[jeter23]

I just checked the rankings and Jeff T does not have Barber ranked at all (on overall). I see on his earlier comment that someone caught some kind of formatting mistake with his overall rankings. Not sure why you guys continue to pose the same question. Are you even looking at his rankings before posting?

Barber was ranked ahead of both Nicks and White on his overall rankings, and he even argued that he values both RBs more than the WRs. I realize that everyone approaches things differently and generally there is no right or worng way - I just found that curious.

Yeah, I understood that there was some issue before and all of the questions posted were reasonable, as I am sure the staffers welcome the discussion. The problem came when the mistake was found and corrected and people still are grilling the guy.Regarding Barber/Bush vs Nicks/White, I assume Jeff was making a general statement about how he values RBs vs WRs in nonPPR. He has White and Nicks ranked far ahead of the the 2 RBs.

 

[Mister CIA]

Apologies for being an ### last night.

 

[NorrisB]

Apologies for being an ### last night.

Being an ### about what? you were 100% right?

 

[Mister CIA]

Apologies for being an ### last night.

Being an ### about what? you were 100% right?

I could have made my point more politely.

 

[bengalbuck]

Sorry in advance if these rankings are still in the process of changing, but I just looked at them and in their current state they are atrocious. Are people supposed to use these as a guide when they are drafting? What purpose do they serve?

You're trying to tell me that Mikel Leshoure is more valuable than Andre Johnson and Aaron Rodgers? That is how you would actually approach a startup draft, with Leshoure as the 13th overall player?

You truly think Beanie Wells is worth more than Calvin Johnson? So if a FBG subscriber got a trade offer of Beanie for Calvin, you'd tell them to pull the trigger on that trade?

You have Kendall Hunter over Michael Vick, Tom Brady, Vernon Davis, Desean Jackson, Mike Williams (TB), etc?

There are others but those are a couple that seem pretty preposterous to me. Am I missing something or what is going on here?

 

[dickey moe]

Apologies for being an ### last night.

Being an ### about what? you were 100% right?

Why are you here then?

 

[Tau837]

Sorry in advance if these rankings are still in the process of changing, but I just looked at them and in their current state they are atrocious. Are people supposed to use these as a guide when they are drafting? What purpose do they serve?You're trying to tell me that Mikel Leshoure is more valuable than Andre Johnson and Aaron Rodgers? That is how you would actually approach a startup draft, with Leshoure as the 13th overall player?You truly think Beanie Wells is worth more than Calvin Johnson? So if a FBG subscriber got a trade offer of Beanie for Calvin, you'd tell them to pull the trigger on that trade?You have Kendall Hunter over Michael Vick, Tom Brady, Vernon Davis, Desean Jackson, Mike Williams (TB), etc?There are others but those are a couple that seem pretty preposterous to me. Am I missing something or what is going on here?

 

[adrenaline]

I have to agree, this is why it's good not to blindly follow anyone's rankings.

 

[Dragon1952]

I have to agree, this is why it's good not to blindly follow anyone's rankings.

I'm sure everyone has their personal favorites. I prefer Bloom and Waldman. But it would be nice to be able to compare the consensus overall rankings occasionally and it's hard to do when a couple of them are so far out there. It's nice to have a different opinion of a player, but there's a limit to what's rational also. And you can't even really compare Bloom to Waldman on the overall rankings because Waldman uses his own system of positional rankings. It's not as bad comparing the consensus by position, but for startup drafts it would be nice to get a reasonable consensus as to overall rankings. So for those I usually stick with just Bloom and for positional comparisons I usually combine his with Waldman's.edit: and for clarification, and as the title of the thread suggests, I'm talking dynasty rankings.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I think Tef and Waldman are trying to cancel either out by making the most outrageous rankings possible in the opposite direction.



I'm only half kidding. Waldman has already stated that he is more or less trying to prove a point with his rankings, and Tef could be trying to prove the opposite point. Dunno.

In the aggregate they might be OK, but I would love to know exactly how many dynasty leagues some of these guys have been in and for how long with what level of success.

Dynasty rankings are VERY VERY hard to do, and everyone is going to find something to ##### about in one direction or the other (position value, current studliness vs age etc.) So I get that they are kind of a thankless job. However, these rankings are presented as expert rankings ostensibly used to help folks with trade values and/or dynasty startup value. It would be interesting to see how that expert status is backed up. For all I know most or all of these guys really are dynasty whizzes, so I'm not saying they aren't. But based on some of the lists I do wonder.

 

[jeter23]

In the aggregate they might be OK, but I would love to know exactly how many dynasty leagues some of these guys have been in and for how long with what level of success

For the past 5 years, I have been running the HyperActive leagues. These dynasty leagues originated from a group of FBGs that were looking for an active year round dynasty league. Many of the best FBG posters, along with a large number of staffers have been a part of these leagues over the years. Among them: Tefertiller, Pasquino, Waldman, Bloom, Garda, Borbely, Wood and Grant etc. Not all of these guys have been in the same league as there are 8 conferences and 4 different leagues, but all are competing against the best owners we can find and only one of these staffers has won a title- Tefertiller. In fact, Jeff has won HyperActive 1 three years in a row. I also played in a non PPR dynasty with Jeff T and Jeff P and Tefertiller built a great team, winning the title last year.* Note (Waldman and Garda took over orphan teams) (All HA leagues are PPR)

 

[Zimm]

Just for an FYI M.Bush will not be an UFA this year because his rookie year he was on non-football IR and it is not expected to count for a year's service.