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Assuming Jabar Gaffney will also become a UFA, I think this bodes well for Moss, Welker and C Jackson owners. Worst case, Moss will likely be franchised.

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http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/17...llworth-option/

PATS TO PASS ON STALLWORTH OPTION

Posted by Mike Florio on February 17, 2008, 7:44 p.m.

A league source tells us that the New England Patriots already have advised receiver Donte’ Stallworth that they won’t be picking up the $6 million option due to be paid to him on or before February 25.

As a result, the Pats will be required to cut Stallworth by 4:00 p.m. EST on Friday, February 22. Unless, of course, they work out a new deal with him before then.

Stallworth was signed by the Pats before the team acquired Randy Moss. The decision not to keep Stallworth suggests that the team will retain Moss, possibly by applying the franchise tag to him and then trying to work out a long-term deal.

The deadline for applying the franchise tag is February 21.

 
This should be an interesting situation. I do think they tag or sign Moss, and let Stallworth walk. In addition, Gaffney will probably be brought back on the cheap. He never was that expensive and provides good depth at the position.

 
No news here, as it was expected. I wonder if Moss gets franchised, how his reaction will be. I assume he will still get a pretty solid contract due to top WR's making great money.

 
And the hits keep on comin'.
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Losing Stallworth from their WR arsenal at the cheap price they had him is a hit. Comprehend Mr. Bullseye?
When did 3.6 million for a WR3 become cheap? That is what he made last year.
You're right. I stand corrected. The Patriots were complete idiots for paying their WR3 that much money, and even with the talent they had at WR3 they couldn't seal the deal in the Superbowl. They got jipped. What a bunch of clowns.
 
And the hits keep on comin'.
:thumbdown:
Losing Stallworth from their WR arsenal at the cheap price they had him is a hit. Comprehend Mr. Bullseye?
When did 3.6 million for a WR3 become cheap? That is what he made last year.
You're right. I stand corrected. The Patriots were complete idiots for paying their WR3 that much money, and even with the talent they had at WR3 they couldn't seal the deal in the Superbowl. They got jipped. What a bunch of clowns.
Serious request... Can you keep your anti-Pats rhetoric out of the acutal news threads. There are plenty of other options for your Patriots opinions. TIA.
 
And the hits keep on comin'.
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Losing Stallworth from their WR arsenal at the cheap price they had him is a hit. Comprehend Mr. Bullseye?
When did 3.6 million for a WR3 become cheap? That is what he made last year.
You're right. I stand corrected. The Patriots were complete idiots for paying their WR3 that much money, and even with the talent they had at WR3 they couldn't seal the deal in the Superbowl. They got jipped. What a bunch of clowns.
Serious request... Can you keep your anti-Pats rhetoric out of the acutal news threads. There are plenty of other options for your Patriots opinions. TIA.
Pointing out this will be a hit to the Patriots is an opinion based on the news. You have to deal with reality, man. Sorry, but you can't expect players to stick around on 1-year below market value deals.
 
And the hits keep on comin'.
:thumbup:
Losing Stallworth from their WR arsenal at the cheap price they had him is a hit. Comprehend Mr. Bullseye?
When did 3.6 million for a WR3 become cheap? That is what he made last year.
You're right. I stand corrected. The Patriots were complete idiots for paying their WR3 that much money, and even with the talent they had at WR3 they couldn't seal the deal in the Superbowl. They got jipped. What a bunch of clowns.
Serious request... Can you keep your anti-Pats rhetoric out of the acutal news threads. There are plenty of other options for your Patriots opinions. TIA.
Pointing out this will be a hit to the Patriots is an opinion based on the news. You have to deal with reality, man. Sorry, but you can't expect players to stick around on 1-year below market value deals.
Most don't believe losing Stallworth will be a hit, and the cap room saved will be a benefit. Discuss the news & the impact, cool. The sniping at the Patriots every post does no good.
 
Anyone have any ideas where Stallworth ends up?

I think he would look good in Philly again. He and McNabb had a good rapport and he was extemely productive there when healthy.

 
I like Stallworth. He played hard, and made some key catches throughout the year. Big catch against Indy. Huge catch against Jacksonville. Monster game against Dallas. Seemed to always play hard. But 3 TDs from a WR2 when the QB threw 50 when the guy's due a HUGE roster bonus is a loss youve gotta learn to live with. I hope he comes back. I doubt he does because Im sure he wants to be a greater factor in someone's O and make a little money to boot. But he's definitely gonna be missed.

 
Anyone have any ideas where Stallworth ends up? I think he would look good in Philly again. He and McNabb had a good rapport and he was extemely productive there when healthy.
He's the kind of quick guy with enough strength to be a borderline #1 that Jacksonville could use, imo. Theyve got alot of big guys with straight line speed. Theyve got Northcutt. They dont have a guy like Stallworth. Someone who's tough, quick, fast and strong. He'd be a good fit there. If NE doesnt luck out and find a way to keep him.
 
Despite being the #1 WR drafted in '02, I was surprised...

* Stallworth only topped 800 yards in a season once ('05)

* Stallworth only topped 60 catches in a season once ('05)

* Stallworth only topped 5 TD's in a season once ('05)

I was always impressed with Stallworth's YAC of 6.0. His YAC is better than every WR on the planet, with the exception of Steve Smith (CAR).

 
Despite being the #1 WR drafted in '02, I was surprised...* Stallworth only topped 800 yards in a season once ('05)* Stallworth only topped 60 catches in a season once ('05)* Stallworth only topped 5 TD's in a season once ('05)I was always impressed with Stallworth's YAC of 6.0. His YAC is better than every WR on the planet, with the exception of Steve Smith (CAR).
I know he had some injury issues, but even with the Pats this year in arguably the best passing game ever, he did little more than tease. I suspect that he will sign will some WR starved team and while he won't totally suck, Stallworth will still be far from the answer.
 
Despite being the #1 WR drafted in '02, I was surprised...

* Stallworth only topped 800 yards in a season once ('05)

* Stallworth only topped 60 catches in a season once ('05)

* Stallworth only topped 5 TD's in a season once ('05)

I was always impressed with Stallworth's YAC of 6.0. His YAC is better than every WR on the planet, with the exception of Steve Smith (CAR).
He had caught 8 TD's his rookie year.
 
My impression as an outsider (and a Stallworth owner) was that Gaffney effectively replaced him in the lineup at the end of the season and in the playoffs. IMHO Gaffney will remain as the WR2 or WR4, depending upon Chad Jackson.

 
My impression as an outsider (and a Stallworth owner) was that Gaffney effectively replaced him in the lineup at the end of the season and in the playoffs. IMHO Gaffney will remain as the WR2 or WR4, depending upon Chad Jackson.
Ya know, Stallworth wouldnt be a bad fit in Washington either at the right price. I hear theyre looking into Chad Johnson right now, but Stallworth probably wouldnt be a bad backup plan. Moss needs some help on that other side, and the thing with Stalloworth is he's got the speed to stretch a defense, but he's also pretty nice with the quick screen. NE didnt use him enough imo, thru no fault of his own, obviously because Brady gave so many looks to Moss and Welker. I know he'd be alot more productive than Brandon Lloyd. Or atleast I would hope.
 
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Shouldn't Chad Jackson be ready next season anyway?
I thought I had read last year that Stallworth's deal was a 1-year deal... then I read it was a multi-year deal. I guess now I understand - it was merely a 1-year deal in disguise. I think his departure should add to Jackson's value. The Patriots offense clearly showed a propensity for the big plays, and if they're able to hold onto Moss to stretch the field - CJ should easily replace Stallworth & I think be more productive. DS had 1 semi decent year in Philly, and it too was injury-plagued.
 
My impression as an outsider (and a Stallworth owner) was that Gaffney effectively replaced him in the lineup at the end of the season and in the playoffs. IMHO Gaffney will remain as the WR2 or WR4, depending upon Chad Jackson.
Ya know, Stallworth wouldnt be a bad fit in Washington either at the right price. I hear theyre looking into Chad Johnson right now, but Stallworth probably wouldnt be a bad backup plan. Moss needs some help on that other side, and the thing with Stalloworth is he's got the speed to stretch a defense, but he's also pretty nice with the quick screen. NE didnt use him enough imo, thru no fault of his own, obviously because Brady gave so many looks to Moss and Welker. I know he'd be alot more productive than Brandon Lloyd. Or atleast I would hope.
That thought has occurred to me too. I think they're going to target Bryant Johnson though, because what they're really looking for is size at the WR position.
 
Patriots still have:

Randy Moss

Wes Welker

Jabar Gaffney

Chad Jackson

and Kelley Washington

They still have a top 5 WR corps.

 
Patriots still have:Randy MossWes WelkerJabar GaffneyChad Jacksonand Kelley WashingtonThey still have a top 5 WR corps.
I agree that on paper they should wind up with a decent WR corps but . . .- Moss is still not signed- Gaffney is a free agent- Washington has already been told he will be released due to somehing like a $4 million roster bonus he's due (but won't get), although NE said they would be interested in re-signing him after that.- Jackson has not been healthy very much and it would be tough to tell one way or another his skill set at this point.So of the guys you mentioned, the only sure thing is Welker.
 
There's alot up in the air with regards to who's going to be catching balls next year in New England. The #s these guys put up this year in catches and TDs were nice. But you know what? They didnt win a ring. Baltimore did with much less. So did Tampa, and this year's Giants... David Tyree? - exactly. So did New England teams of the past. Great WRs dont set anyone up as a SB winner. Personally, if Moss needs to get franchised in order to keep him, then I say let him walk, too. This team was not built on $9 million wide receivers. So realistically, right now, Im not even expecting Moss to be back in the mix if other teams are really willing to pony up $40 or 50 million dollar deals. Id wish him well and look forward to another year of role players at the position.

 
There's alot up in the air with regards to who's going to be catching balls next year in New England. The #s these guys put up this year in catches and TDs were nice. But you know what? They didnt win a ring. Baltimore did with much less. So did Tampa, and this year's Giants... David Tyree? - exactly. So did New England teams of the past. Great WRs dont set anyone up as a SB winner. Personally, if Moss needs to get franchised in order to keep him, then I say let him walk, too. This team was not built on $9 million wide receivers. So realistically, right now, Im not even expecting Moss to be back in the mix if other teams are really willing to pony up $40 or 50 million dollar deals. Id wish him well and look forward to another year of role players at the position.
They lost ONE GAME. To suggest that Moss being on the team as a reason for them losing is silly. Put another way . . . if they had Caldwell, Gabriel, and Troy Brown at WR this year they would not even have been in the SB.Moss if franchised would get $7.8 million. IMO, Moss on the Patritos makes them a much better team and is well worth the money.
 
Not a fan of Chad Jackson... I heard nothing but bad things about his knee, and his big numbers from last season didn't exactly change my opinion. My guess is NE re-signs Moss and Gaffney. Maybe Kelley Washington too. I think Jackson is going to be a special-teamer at best.

 
For the added dimension that Randy brings to the offense, 7.6 million is a bargain. Stallworth made half that last year and he brought nothing.

 
There's alot up in the air with regards to who's going to be catching balls next year in New England. The #s these guys put up this year in catches and TDs were nice. But you know what? They didnt win a ring. Baltimore did with much less. So did Tampa, and this year's Giants... David Tyree? - exactly. So did New England teams of the past. Great WRs dont set anyone up as a SB winner. Personally, if Moss needs to get franchised in order to keep him, then I say let him walk, too. This team was not built on $9 million wide receivers. So realistically, right now, Im not even expecting Moss to be back in the mix if other teams are really willing to pony up $40 or 50 million dollar deals. Id wish him well and look forward to another year of role players at the position.
Don't hit the self descruct button just because they lost 1 game. Moss caught more Td's than any other player in a season.No way Moss is on another team adn no way any Pats fan should hope that he is. Personally I'm hoping he does go to another team, just so that the Pats aren't as good but since I know the Pats are smart, he'll be on that team again next year.
 
There's alot up in the air with regards to who's going to be catching balls next year in New England. The #s these guys put up this year in catches and TDs were nice. But you know what? They didnt win a ring. Baltimore did with much less. So did Tampa, and this year's Giants... David Tyree? - exactly. So did New England teams of the past. Great WRs dont set anyone up as a SB winner. Personally, if Moss needs to get franchised in order to keep him, then I say let him walk, too. This team was not built on $9 million wide receivers. So realistically, right now, Im not even expecting Moss to be back in the mix if other teams are really willing to pony up $40 or 50 million dollar deals. Id wish him well and look forward to another year of role players at the position.
They lost ONE GAME. To suggest that Moss being on the team as a reason for them losing is silly. Put another way . . . if they had Caldwell, Gabriel, and Troy Brown at WR this year they would not even have been in the SB.Moss if franchised would get $7.8 million. IMO, Moss on the Patritos makes them a much better team and is well worth the money.
Im pretty sure that the Pats arent even in the Superbowl without Moss. That being said he did a nice disappearing act in the playoffs.No way NE shouldnt franchise him, but if they dont I wont be bummed out one bit.
 
This should be an interesting situation. I do think they tag or sign Moss, and let Stallworth walk. In addition, Gaffney will probably be brought back on the cheap. He never was that expensive and provides good depth at the position.
On the one hand I think Gaffney should re-sign with them because they've given him a shot, know what he brings to the table etc.On the other, if Jackson is half as good as he is supposed to be that puts Welker, Moss, and Jackson ahead of him on the depth chart and I'd figure he can get more playing time elsewhere. He doesn't even get a catch for several games a year. I think this will be a great year for free agent WRs and he could be overpaid if he puts his services open to bidders. It seems a large number of teams need a WR or two and/or a veteran WR.
 
Not a fan of Chad Jackson... I heard nothing but bad things about his knee, and his big numbers from last season didn't exactly change my opinion. My guess is NE re-signs Moss and Gaffney. Maybe Kelley Washington too. I think Jackson is going to be a special-teamer at best.
What in the world are you talking about? What numbers? He was on PUP most of the year and really didn't see the field after that. How can you make any judgment about him based on last year? :thumbup:
 
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There's alot up in the air with regards to who's going to be catching balls next year in New England. The #s these guys put up this year in catches and TDs were nice. But you know what? They didnt win a ring. Baltimore did with much less. So did Tampa, and this year's Giants... David Tyree? - exactly. So did New England teams of the past. Great WRs dont set anyone up as a SB winner. Personally, if Moss needs to get franchised in order to keep him, then I say let him walk, too. This team was not built on $9 million wide receivers. So realistically, right now, Im not even expecting Moss to be back in the mix if other teams are really willing to pony up $40 or 50 million dollar deals. Id wish him well and look forward to another year of role players at the position.
So they didn't win the SB and therefore everything positive they accomplished is worthless? Is that it? Extending that reasoning, everything positive that 31 teams do each year is meaningless. Wow, what a view of things.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing the Vikings go after him. Perfect type of guy that they need - Rice will be the possession/intermediate WR, Wade in the slot and Stallworth could be the deep threat that they are missing. Good fit, as long as he doesn't command top dollar.

 
Couch Potato said:
Not a fan of Chad Jackson... I heard nothing but bad things about his knee, and his big numbers from last season didn't exactly change my opinion. My guess is NE re-signs Moss and Gaffney. Maybe Kelley Washington too. I think Jackson is going to be a special-teamer at best.
What in the world are you talking about? What numbers? He was on PUP most of the year and really didn't see the field after that. How can you make any judgment about him based on last year? :X
And the year before that?I've already tossed him into the bust category in my head.If he pans out cool, but Pioli is no idiot. In 2 years he produced next to nothing, they're not planning on him. He's extra now, he's gotta be considerred as such.I'd guess you can't make a good argument for Pioli to pencil him in as a starter or 3rd WR, yet I could that he'd sit most of 2008.Know what I mean?
 
This should be an interesting situation. I do think they tag or sign Moss, and let Stallworth walk. In addition, Gaffney will probably be brought back on the cheap. He never was that expensive and provides good depth at the position.
On the one hand I think Gaffney should re-sign with them because they've given him a shot, know what he brings to the table etc.On the other, if Jackson is half as good as he is supposed to be that puts Welker, Moss, and Jackson ahead of him on the depth chart and I'd figure he can get more playing time elsewhere. He doesn't even get a catch for several games a year. I think this will be a great year for free agent WRs and he could be overpaid if he puts his services open to bidders. It seems a large number of teams need a WR or two and/or a veteran WR.
I've posted this before in other threads but I'm higher on Gaffney than Jackson. If they let both Gaffney and Stallworth leave then it is a huge endorsement of Jackson (provided they don't really add a noteworthy signing to their WRs). I think retaining Gaffney makes sense because of what he offers - continuity, productive and inexpensive - the Pats going forward. Jackson's role and future hinges on what they do with Gaffney, I think.
 
This should be an interesting situation. I do think they tag or sign Moss, and let Stallworth walk. In addition, Gaffney will probably be brought back on the cheap. He never was that expensive and provides good depth at the position.
On the one hand I think Gaffney should re-sign with them because they've given him a shot, know what he brings to the table etc.On the other, if Jackson is half as good as he is supposed to be that puts Welker, Moss, and Jackson ahead of him on the depth chart and I'd figure he can get more playing time elsewhere. He doesn't even get a catch for several games a year. I think this will be a great year for free agent WRs and he could be overpaid if he puts his services open to bidders. It seems a large number of teams need a WR or two and/or a veteran WR.
I've posted this before in other threads but I'm higher on Gaffney than Jackson. If they let both Gaffney and Stallworth leave then it is a huge endorsement of Jackson (provided they don't really add a noteworthy signing to their WRs). I think retaining Gaffney makes sense because of what he offers - continuity, productive and inexpensive - the Pats going forward. Jackson's role and future hinges on what they do with Gaffney, I think.
Jackson's potential >>Gaffney's
 
I wouldn't mind seeing the Vikings go after him. Perfect type of guy that they need - Rice will be the possession/intermediate WR, Wade in the slot and Stallworth could be the deep threat that they are missing. Good fit, as long as he doesn't command top dollar.
For some reason, as dire as the need is, I can't get excited about him. I think he's been the biggest FA WR tease in the league the last three years.
 
This should be an interesting situation. I do think they tag or sign Moss, and let Stallworth walk. In addition, Gaffney will probably be brought back on the cheap. He never was that expensive and provides good depth at the position.
On the one hand I think Gaffney should re-sign with them because they've given him a shot, know what he brings to the table etc.On the other, if Jackson is half as good as he is supposed to be that puts Welker, Moss, and Jackson ahead of him on the depth chart and I'd figure he can get more playing time elsewhere. He doesn't even get a catch for several games a year. I think this will be a great year for free agent WRs and he could be overpaid if he puts his services open to bidders. It seems a large number of teams need a WR or two and/or a veteran WR.
I've posted this before in other threads but I'm higher on Gaffney than Jackson. If they let both Gaffney and Stallworth leave then it is a huge endorsement of Jackson (provided they don't really add a noteworthy signing to their WRs). I think retaining Gaffney makes sense because of what he offers - continuity, productive and inexpensive - the Pats going forward. Jackson's role and future hinges on what they do with Gaffney, I think.
Gaffney is 27 years old and has been in the league for seven years and had opportunities to start from the beginning. In those seven years the best he has done is mediocre. He is a career 30-40 reception and 400-500 yard guy. His best season in 05 he caught 55 for 492 and a miserable 8.9 ypc. This guy has no upside.You can argue that Jackson hasn't shown anything and you are right. But he is young and has been injured. Jackson has upside; we have seen the best Gaffney has to offer.
 
Should be interesting to see if the Titans go after Stallworth again. They had offered more money then NE last year.

 
Gaffney is 27 years old and has been in the league for seven years and had opportunities to start from the beginning. In those seven years the best he has done is mediocre. He is a career 30-40 reception and 400-500 yard guy. His best season in 05 he caught 55 for 492 and a miserable 8.9 ypc. This guy has no upside.You can argue that Jackson hasn't shown anything and you are right. But he is young and has been injured. Jackson has upside; we have seen the best Gaffney has to offer.
Let's be realistic here. Gaffney's not the second coming of any noteworthy player. However, he proved reasonably productive this past year with 36/449/12.5/5tds in a very crowded WR corps. He showed more than Stallworth did down the stretch, I think. He's likely to come cheap, if he is re-signed. Would the Pats like it if Jackson stepped up and rewarded them for their patience? Sure but Gaffney might be cheapest insurance policy they're going to find. Gaffney's not a long term solution but he could serve a purpose.
 
Despite being the #1 WR drafted in '02, I was surprised...* Stallworth only topped 800 yards in a season once ('05)* Stallworth only topped 60 catches in a season once ('05)* Stallworth only topped 5 TD's in a season once ('05)I was always impressed with Stallworth's YAC of 6.0. His YAC is better than every WR on the planet, with the exception of Steve Smith (CAR).
Those numbers would be an indictment if Stallworth had ever been healthy. Instead, in the context of his health, his talent is indisputable.
 
Despite being the #1 WR drafted in '02, I was surprised...* Stallworth only topped 800 yards in a season once ('05)* Stallworth only topped 60 catches in a season once ('05)* Stallworth only topped 5 TD's in a season once ('05)I was always impressed with Stallworth's YAC of 6.0. His YAC is better than every WR on the planet, with the exception of Steve Smith (CAR).
Those numbers would be an indictment if Stallworth had ever been healthy. Instead, in the context of his health, his talent is indisputable.
I won't argue that Stallworth is talented.But ont he highest scoring team in league history and playing in every game, Stallworth put up 46-697-3 .I understand that Moss got the TDs and Welker got the underneath stuff . . . but one would think that Stallworth could have had better numbers than that.His career averages are 50.2 and 0.369 TD per game. That works out to roughly 800 receiving yards and 6 TD over a 16 game season.How much better do you think he would be able to do above and beyond that?
 
Despite being the #1 WR drafted in '02, I was surprised...* Stallworth only topped 800 yards in a season once ('05)* Stallworth only topped 60 catches in a season once ('05)* Stallworth only topped 5 TD's in a season once ('05)I was always impressed with Stallworth's YAC of 6.0. His YAC is better than every WR on the planet, with the exception of Steve Smith (CAR).
Those numbers would be an indictment if Stallworth had ever been healthy. Instead, in the context of his health, his talent is indisputable.
I won't argue that Stallworth is talented.But ont he highest scoring team in league history and playing in every game, Stallworth put up 46-697-3 .I understand that Moss got the TDs and Welker got the underneath stuff . . . but one would think that Stallworth could have had better numbers than that.His career averages are 50.2 and 0.369 TD per game. That works out to roughly 800 receiving yards and 6 TD over a 16 game season.How much better do you think he would be able to do above and beyond that?
Given 16 healthy games as the #1 WR, Stallworth is easily capable of getting 1200 yards and double digit TDs.To use last season as an indictment is as bad as taking his career stats out of the context of his health. He wasn't healthy early in the season. His QB saw a) long to Moss, b) short to Welker, c) outlet is Watson, d) who else is on this team? Half the time Stallworth was open, Brady ignored him, looking for the long TD to Moss, and often threw to Moss even when he was double and triple covered.The problem is, will he EVER be healthy? Therein lies the risk...
 

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