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Doug Marrone: Coach of the Year? (1 Viewer)
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Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Needs to be a consideration.
This will be a fun thread.
This will be a fun thread.
Voting done before playoffs.
He did an outstanding job and people are so sleeping on the Jags right now. I'm a Steeler fan and hearing all that assumptive talk last week like it was a given that NE and Pitt would meet again had me puzzled. Jags already destroyed the Steelers this season and IMO are just the kind of matchup that gives NE problems. I view Jags as a legit SB contenders, again as a Steeler fan that is what bothered me the most about them losing to NE, not potential homefield in AFC championship game, but because I honestly felt the Jags would beat NE and for the Steelers what they are unable to do for themselves.
But he'll still come in after McVay for me and for most, this is McVay's award, he's winning it.
mr roboto
Footballguy
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Would be McVay handily for me. Give GM of year award to Jax.
Hoping for a Rams-Jags SB
Hoping for a Rams-Jags SB
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
somehow I think Coughlin is running the show in jax
Was Bradford going to perform as good as keenum has tho would be my question. I guess you could also look at it as keenum wasn't that good earlier when he had the chance and now zimmer has brought the best out of him so maybe it would be deserving
I agree he's been great, but why exactly would you have him over McVay? Usually this goes based on expected wins vs actual wins. Are you saying Jax has outperformed their expectations more than the Rams have? I would disagree with that.
All 4 teams win the div. Looking at preseason O/U win totals (Will give each of these teams 1-2 more wins in final 2 games)
Rams: 5.5- Will win 11 or 12 games. Difference = +6
Jags: 6.5- Will win 11 or 12 games. Difference = +5
Eagles: 8- Will win 13 or 14 games. Difference = +5.5
Vikings: 8.5- Will win 12 or 13 games. Difference = +4
All 4 of these coaches are very deserving, but not sure how you could put Marone over McVay.
(Also, Voting is done before playoffs begin. I never understand when people keep saying "if this happens in the playoffs, after the votes are counted, this should happen").
Yogibear
Footballguy
At the beginning of the season, I had the Rams at 7-9, but I had Jacksonville at 5-11. That's why I'd give the coach of the year award to Doug Marrone.
And, for the record, at the beginning of the season, I was probably the only one who had Minnesota winning the division and going to the NFC Championship Game, but I did have the Vikings losing to Atlanta in the NFC Championship Game.
Also, for the record, my preseason record for the Eagles: 8-8.
-OZ-
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Cool, but pretty sure that was a minority view (lots of opinions out there, I'm sure many agreed with yours too). Most had written Goff off as a bust or at least had low expectations, (into camp anyway). I didn't expect the jags to win the division but I did think they were underrated.
Unfortunately you don't get to vote for the COY though. And I bet the majority of voters had the Jags above the Rams in the preseason.
Of all 4 of those coaches, I'd say McVay and Pederson have been the most impressive. Marone (and Zimmer) would likely win this award easily many other years. Haven't seen this many coaches deserving of the award in a long time. Some of the turnarounds and win improvements over last years records have been insane this year.
The General
Footballguy
Lots of deserving choices this year. Probably lean Zimmer.
Agree all 4 could win. I think I'd have to put Zimmer in 4th though based on Year on Year improvement and Real wins vs expected wins. Those are usually by far the two biggest criteria too, and LAR, PHI, and JAX all beat MIN in those categories.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Coughlin has helped Marrone tremendously..not just from a player perspective where he drafted exceedingly well, but also that he likely sits in on meetings and coaches the coach up, so to speak..it's one of the reasons why JAx is absolutely the worst team that BB wants to face this postseason..Coughlin OWNS BB..
McVay has done a terrific job, a first year head coach doing THAT well?.Marrone was a moron until Coughlin arrived..dont discount that.
I'd probably give it to BB - he has almost no one on that roster that would be a starter in another uniform..that entire defense is void of talent. the offense has Gronk and Brady and maybe a few linemen..Cooks is a one-trick pony he's a #2 WR..they have no RBs worth mentioning, no WRs, and lousy defense and yet they're somehow headed for the best record in the AFC..? BB has to be in the conversation.
I like what Zimmer has done in Min..they're a tough out, they're likely headed to the SB, and there isn't a team in the NFC that they can't run with.
Sean Payton - completely turned around his defense, has an all-time talent in Kamara, a good record and an poutside shot to make it to the SB.
Rivera - he might be the dark horse candidate..Carolina keeps rolling, they're just starting to run on all cylinders..losing K. Benjamin and Olsen really could've hurt this franchise, but he kept the ship afloat and they're thriving..
if I had to vote I'd put it
1. Rivera
2. BB
3. Zimmer
4. McVay
5. Payton
and I wouldnt count Marrone he clearly benefits from Coughlin's presence.
McVay has done a terrific job, a first year head coach doing THAT well?.Marrone was a moron until Coughlin arrived..dont discount that.
I'd probably give it to BB - he has almost no one on that roster that would be a starter in another uniform..that entire defense is void of talent. the offense has Gronk and Brady and maybe a few linemen..Cooks is a one-trick pony he's a #2 WR..they have no RBs worth mentioning, no WRs, and lousy defense and yet they're somehow headed for the best record in the AFC..? BB has to be in the conversation.
I like what Zimmer has done in Min..they're a tough out, they're likely headed to the SB, and there isn't a team in the NFC that they can't run with.
Sean Payton - completely turned around his defense, has an all-time talent in Kamara, a good record and an poutside shot to make it to the SB.
Rivera - he might be the dark horse candidate..Carolina keeps rolling, they're just starting to run on all cylinders..losing K. Benjamin and Olsen really could've hurt this franchise, but he kept the ship afloat and they're thriving..
if I had to vote I'd put it
1. Rivera
2. BB
3. Zimmer
4. McVay
5. Payton
and I wouldnt count Marrone he clearly benefits from Coughlin's presence.
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The General
Footballguy
Good points. Losing your QB is the main thing for me. That’s such a devastating thing for a team to deal with.
True. Philly is in that boat too though (I guess not to the same extent since it was late in the year).
Minny has also benefited from Rodgers injury though. I'm not convinced that Minny wins the div if Rodgers played the whole year.
I thought he actually raised a lot of fantastic points and a lot of points that seem obvious but we sometimes forget. Like how great of a job BB and Rivera are doing as examples.
I do think Coughlin has helped Marrone with respect to assisting in setting the culture, still think Marrone has done a good job and merits consideration for the ward but it's a tough field. But one strike I'd personally use against Marrone if I was voting was that he was a key figure on the staff last season and I'm remiss to give someone an award for turning a team around when one could argue they were part of the problem. That's nitpicking, but again it's a tough field.
But the guy who is going to win this award is the one I agree should win it and that is McVay, I'd bet the house, the farm, whatever, he's winning it.
The award has never really been about "who is the best coach" or BB would win it every year. It's always been a "which coach had a team that did much better than expected" which is why BB is barely in the running, and guys like Zimmer aren't more prominently in the conversation.
I think Marrone is hurt by the perception that he sucks and Coughlin gets credit for the improvement. Fair or not, it informs voter's choices,
Which means it will be McVay over Pederson most likely.
I think Marrone is hurt by the perception that he sucks and Coughlin gets credit for the improvement. Fair or not, it informs voter's choices,
Which means it will be McVay over Pederson most likely.
A few things that seem far fetched:
1. An exec being brought in actually swaying people's vote against a particular coach.
2. Jax being the "absolute worst team BB wants to face this playoffs" seems like a bit of a stretch.
3. "Almost no one on that roster that would be a starter on ANY other nfl team". Huh? Probably 75% of the Patriots starters would at least start on another team. Another extreme exaggeration.
New England has one of their most talented rosters they've had in the last 5 years. Yes their record is good, but it's always good. They're doing worse this year than last year, with a better roster. If anything, this is one of the years Bill should be getting LESS votes than normal. Yes he's the GOAT, but with this many deserving coaches, he doesn't stand out this year near as much.
4. If we're giving points to a coach for NOT having talent, then mentioning Kamara's all time talent should weaken the case for Payton. Don't think Rivera or Payton are in the conversation this year.... They both have had a ton of success in that div, and that div is a constant carousel of standings. Saints and Panthers were both expected to have a bounce back year and make a push for the playoffs. The rams, jags, and eagles were not expected to make the playoffs this year, and all are div winners with potential byes. And he has none of those 3 coaches even in the top 3.
I'd rank them:
McVay
Pederson
Marrone
Zimmer
BB
Rivera
Payton
To your points:
1. I've heard people, people who used to work in the NFL, believe Coughlin has a big impact on the turnaround. I don't buy into this so much myself, but it's a thought other people have.
2. I've made several posts in last few weeks that indicate no team in the AFC matches up better with NE then the Jags. I've gone as far to say had NE faced Jags in the divisional playoffs I'd predict a Jags win.
3. I believe you commment that it's the most talented NE roster in 5 years is the greatest exaggeration I've seen hurled around here. More than 5 players would start on other teams for sure, but it's the last talented NE team in over 10 years.
4. I don't get your point.
1. Fair enough, I haven't heard a ton of that talk but if it exists then that certainly could work against Marrone from a voting standpoint.
2. That may be true, but I think BB would rather play Jax than the steelers, rams, saints.
3. You don't think this Pats team is more talented than they've had in the last 5? Cooks was a massive pickup. He's had 3 straight 1000+ yard seasons (likely over 1100 in each of the last three)... not sure how that is only a #2 WR?
4. The point is that this award is based mostly on how impressive the coach was this year... how they exceeded expectations... how they improved on last years record. Based on those criteria, Bill is out. Based on that criteria, McVay, Pederson, and Marrone are the top 3. And you will see that when you see the voting.
sports_fan
Footballguy
Give it to Tony Sparano. A lot of good stories on the Vikings offense this season but nothing more surprising than the play of their offensive line. This is the best line they've had in years after turning over their entire starting unit from last season.
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This Queens didn’t have their starting o-line for most of last season so while sparano has done a great job not sure he should get all the credit
I think the Packers win 12-13 games with a healthy Rodgers, yes.
I think the Vikings win 11-12 games with a healthy Rodgers.
Yogibear
Footballguy
In their NFL preseason issue, Sports Illustrated had both the Packers and the Vikings at 11-5. But, they had Green Bay making it all the way to the Super Bowl as a Wild Card.
Good talk, for real.
I would just add that I am a Steeler and really have great fear for the Jags. Truly baffled when I heard talking heads assume the Steelers and Pats rematch. That's because they already beat the crap out of Pittsburgh and I think are just the kind of matchup that gives the Patriots problems.
As for NE no I really don't think they are as talented as they've been in the past and I view them winning last week as more the Steelers blowing it then NE winning it. A little of both to be sure and that's what makes NE so dangerous, they know how to win in the clutch when other teams who have them down panic. But the Dolphins beat up on NE and what we are used to seeing all these years is NE respond the following week by clobbering someone. They won against a good team on the road, so impressive, but a team I hate to say they normally run circles around and it's the best I've seen the Steelers play against them in I can't remember when. No other game against NE all these years did I think the Steelers came close to winning and this was without AB for 3/4th of the game and no Shazier to boot. Which is saying a depleted Steelers team as those two are arguably the best players on both sides of the ball(I would argue the drop off from Big Ben to Landry would be a bigger loss myself).
Cooks was a nice addition but he's less of an addition then Edelman is a subtraction. Losing Edelman is a bigger loss then gaining Cooks is what I'm trying to say. Now one can argue that they won the SB without Gronk and that's fair to say Cooks + Gronk is better then what they had to work with as receiving options during their playoff run last year. But that's with a healthy Hogan, which I think we see later but not sure. But it's not the weapons on NE which is why I think they are a little off. I don't think the pass blocking has been as strong lately, Brady is still great but I think he's regressing a little and has since last season and the D is the biggest issue.
In general with BB I think he's getting the Lebron/MJ MVP treatment. We are just so used to their greatness we almost take it for granted.
Now I still would vote for McVay because while they did make some sound additions the turnaround was remarkable. Also as head coach I would for example give McVay credit for making a great hire in terms of Phillips and basically breathing life into the franchise. I think he does walk away with the award, and I think he deserves it, but it's a tough award and lot of good candidates.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Rodgers is one of the best quarterbacks out there but not so sure even he could overcome all the injuries the pack have endured on their offensive line and on the defensive side of the ball.
skol asylum
Footballguy
With all the adversity the Vikings faced last year and this year with injuries, losing their OC last year, Zimmer's health problems, I'd love to see Mike recognized for the great job he's done in Minnesota.
They were a TOTALLY different team with AR, that isn't even debatable. I think they would have won 12 games with a healthy AR all season for sure. Minny also would have been at 12 wins had they lost only 1 of their 2 vs green bay. That div would have been very tight, but I think the Packers would have taken it. They certainly could have won tonight's game with Rodgers.
Agree with most of the things above. BB is the best coach still, for sure. But the "of the year" award usually goes to someone who did unexpected things. Bill might get a few votes, but my guess is it goes something like:
McVay 30
Pederson 10
BB 4
Marrone 3
Zimmer 3
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Has anyone mentioned where Marrone left off, before Jax? Because he did a hell of a job with the 2014 Bills too. They went 9-7.
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