Draft and Trade Offer (1 Viewer)

[derek245583]

Had my draft last night and it was an auction....I saved my money and loaded up in the middle of the draft...Its H2H.

C- McCann, R Martin

1B- Butler, Sandoval

2B- Utley, B Roberts

3B- Ramirez, McGehee

SS- S Drew

OF- C Young, Hart, Ellsbury, Granderson, Markakis

SP- J Weaver, Price, Hanson, Greinke, Latos, Haren, Scherzer, Dempster

RP- Marmol, Feliz, Soria, Street

A guy has offered me Jason Heyward as he knows I love him...He offered the following...

Latos and Hart

for

Heyward and Nolasco

First, should I do it?

Second, is my hitting terrible? I am pretty sure my pitching is stacked....but my hitting looks weak.

Here is his team if you wanna help me with a counter offer...

C- V Martinez, Posada

1B- Posey, LaRoche

2B- Beckham, Pedroia

3B- Wright, Alvarez

SS- A Ramirez, A Cabrera

OF- Cruz, J Upton, Heyward, Tabata, Snider

SP- Buckholtz, Gallardo, Nolasco, Zimmerman, Kennedy, Cahill, Zambrano

RP- Hanrahan, Kuo, Stauffer, Farnsworth

Thanks....I am clueless

 

[Funkley]

The step up from Hart to Heyward is about the same as the fall from Latos to Nolasco. Nice, fair offer on his part and unlikely to leave much room to counter offer. Given you need hitting, and you do, and your pitching is good, which it is, I think I do the deal. But I like Heyward too.

 

[Guest]

How many teams?

But no, don't think I'd do it. For Zimmerman instead of Nolasco, maybe.

 

[derek245583]

12 teams

 

[Dr. Awesome]

But no, don't think I'd do it.

 

[pollardsvision]

I'd have a hard time doing it, but I could certainly see doing it.

It involves to really young guys (Heyward, Latos) that somehow feel safer than the vets their being traded for and a couple of youngish vets that have been up and down throughout their career and feel risky, but imo, could very realistically end up having the better years (Hart, Nolasco).

Hart and Heyward should have very similar power/speed numbers, with Heyward being much better in the AVG dept. Nolasco has the skills to turn in a top 15 season, but he's had that for a couple years now and it hasn't happened. He gives up a few too many flyballs, but nothing crazy.

As far as counters go, I'd shoot one over for Gallardo instead of Nolasco and see if he bites. Opinions of Gallardo vary widely, so I don't know if he'd laugh or take it.

If he doesn't, this is certainly the sort of trade where it would be forgiveable to grab a favorite player of yours, even if you're getting slightly shorted on value. I've never really trusted Hart and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Nolasco turn in a better season than Latos.

 

[derek245583]

I'd have a hard time doing it, but I could certainly see doing it.It involves to really young guys (Heyward, Latos) that somehow feel safer than the vets their being traded for and a couple of youngish vets that have been up and down throughout their career and feel risky, but imo, could very realistically end up having the better years (Hart, Nolasco).Hart and Heyward should have very similar power/speed numbers, with Heyward being much better in the AVG dept. Nolasco has the skills to turn in a top 15 season, but he's had that for a couple years now and it hasn't happened. He gives up a few too many flyballs, but nothing crazy. As far as counters go, I'd shoot one over for Gallardo instead of Nolasco and see if he bites. Opinions of Gallardo vary widely, so I don't know if he'd laugh or take it. If he doesn't, this is certainly the sort of trade where it would be forgiveable to grab a favorite player of yours, even if you're getting slightly shorted on value. I've never really trusted Hart and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Nolasco turn in a better season than Latos.

He is my favorite player, so I did it......just pulled the trigger.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I had it backwards. I like your end of things, getting Heyward/Nolasco. Nice deal.

 

[Guest]

Nolasco has the skills to turn in a top 15 season, but he's had that for a couple years now and it hasn't happened. He gives up a few too many flyballs, but nothing crazy. ....If he doesn't, this is certainly the sort of trade where it would be forgiveable to grab a favorite player of yours, even if you're getting slightly shorted on value.

This is basically how I felt about it.You certainly did't get ripped off. It was a fair-ish trade. But Nolasco keeps doing those things that the statistical models should result in a Cy Young-contender season but somehow it doesn't materialize. People think that he's so undervalued that he's overvalued if that makes any sense. But a lot of the same things were true of Hart until he broke out last year. And it looks like he's starting the year on the DL.In the end, it was a fair-ish trade, you got the player you wanted. You might just want to send Nolasco to someone who believes in him.ETA: For a 12-team league, your hitting doesn't look too bad. Just need some more skill in the corners, maybe.

 

[pollardsvision]

Yeah, looking at your team more, Derek, you pitching is absolutely stacked. However large the downgrade is from Latos to Nolasco isn't going to make much of an impact on your pitching staff. From that standpoint, whatever you could do, within reason, to upgrade over Hart is worth it for your team.

I'd be looking to do more trading of pitchers. For a 12 teamer, there's bound to be some teams really hurting for pitchers. Also, I could be wrong, but I think it's much easier to pull of pitcher for hitter trades before the season starts.

Once the seasons starts, alot of people will think that both (a) any struggling studs will turn it around and (b) their crappy backend/waiver wire SPs that got off to a hot start will keep it up. Once the season starts, many teams will convince themselves that their pitching is okay and I've also found that people can be very reluctant to let go of a hot bat once those numbers start piling in. They never want to sell studs low either.

Before the season actually starts, you might find it easier to catch a team panicking about their lack of pitching and they won't be "married" to all of their good hitters just yet.

I'd start throwing some offers out.