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I don't disagree that Henry's body of work in college deserves skepticism. My point is that TEN passed on everyone except Irons to take Henry, so obviously they are looking past the 3.2 YPC and they like him a lot more than most people around here. In the end, it's up to the TEN coaches to decide who starts, not us and I think we may be underestimating Henry's chances here.
They won't be able to keep him on the field for long when he comes in there and looks like dog food. LenDale White is far and away the better player. If that turd is even remotely in shape then he'll outplay Henry.
Agreed.Its not like the Rams took a McClain type blocking FB to open holes...they took a guy to spell SJax and complement him. As for Battle, he's still much better than Lelie. I know it doesn't mean a darn in fantasy, but Battle is a helluva blocker and his role in the offense will be to move the chains.
I think the SF WR situation breaks down like this:WR1 - Darrell Jackson - Easily the top guy here when healthy.WR2 - Arnaz Battle - Settles into the David Givens role. Upside extremely limited, but a decent late option in survivor/best ball leagues.WR3 - Ashley Lelie - The deep threat to stretch the field. Should see a lot of PT. WR4 - Jason Hill - The developmental prospect. Could be starting in 2 years. WR5 - Brandon Williams - Fighting for a roster spot.
White had over 50 rushing TDs and 3,000 rushing yards in three years against Pac-10 competition. Henry had 9 TDs and less than 1,000 yards in three years against the same competition. College isn't the NFL. There's no doubt that USC's supporting cast helped White amass those huge totals. But would Chris Henry have even sniffed the field at USC? Doubt it. He probably would've been no better than third on their depth chart. He couldn't even beat out Mike Bell. Maybe the Titans just got the next Willie Parker or Priest Holmes, but you can color me skeptical. Looks like a blown pick to me. If the stats aren't enough to convince you, then take a peek at his highlights.
White had over 50 rushing TDs and 3,000 rushing yards in three years against Pac-10 competition. Henry had 9 TDs and less than 1,000 yards in three years against the same competition. College isn't the NFL. There's no doubt that USC's supporting cast helped White amass those huge totals. But would Chris Henry have even sniffed the field at USC? Doubt it. He probably would've been no better than third on their depth chart. He couldn't even beat out Mike Bell. Maybe the Titans just got the next Willie Parker or Priest Holmes, but you can color me skeptical. Looks like a blown pick to me. If the stats aren't enough to convince you, then take a peek at his highlights.
I said I was skeptical too. However the only thing that White has proven while in the NFL is that he doesn't have what it takes or at least that he deserves just as much skepticism as Henry, if not more. TEN would not have taken Henry that high if they didn't like him and/or didn't think much of White. They obviously plan on giving Henry a chance to win the starting job. You sound like a White owner.
exactly...don't know if there will be a massive impact, but whatever impact there is on jax's numbers could be downward...i'm not sure if he will be in the base set, but linehan says he has great hands, & he can be a short yardage & goal line weapon... also, if jax goes down, they have similar skill sets, so he could step in & offense might not skip a beat... probably there are a lot of teams that don't have two RBs as good as STL now has...with a RB as good as jackson, it may be a bit of a luxury to get a RB as good as leonard in round 2... but RB is a very important position, so i like the move...on the flip side, jax got the ball too much last season (especially with 90 catches, leading all RBs), so leonard could help preserve him in long run for dynasty purpses...
I am a White owner. And the reason I own him is because I think he's a good player. Did he have a great rookie year? Nope, but it wasn't much worse than what guys like Brian Westbrook, Ahman Green, Larry Johnson, and Deuce McAllister did in their first season. Way too early to assume he's a bust. Ask any Pac-10 fan who they'd rather have: Henry or White. I don't know if anyone would say Henry. And as far as I'm concerned, the mere fact that Tennessee likes Henry isn't enough to change the fact that he looks like a reach of epic proportions.White had over 50 rushing TDs and 3,000 rushing yards in three years against Pac-10 competition. Henry had 9 TDs and less than 1,000 yards in three years against the same competition. College isn't the NFL. There's no doubt that USC's supporting cast helped White amass those huge totals. But would Chris Henry have even sniffed the field at USC? Doubt it. He probably would've been no better than third on their depth chart. He couldn't even beat out Mike Bell. Maybe the Titans just got the next Willie Parker or Priest Holmes, but you can color me skeptical. Looks like a blown pick to me. If the stats aren't enough to convince you, then take a peek at his highlights.
I said I was skeptical too. However the only thing that White has proven while in the NFL is that he doesn't have what it takes or at least that he deserves just as much skepticism as Henry, if not more. TEN would not have taken Henry that high if they didn't like him and/or didn't think much of White. They obviously plan on giving Henry a chance to win the starting job. You sound like a White owner.
I have to put White as a loser - if I had 'em. I'd expect Henry to be the ball carrier sooner rather then later.
Just curious...have you ever seen Chris Henry play?
does rams drafting of leonard signify that he could beat out steven jackson... certainly STL had other holes on the team, that could have been filled with a second round pick...not sure it follows that because henry went in 2nd, TEN must view him as likely starter... maybe they view him as RBBC role or depth, but liked him better than guys like jackson, bush, pittman, & thought that was worth a second rounder... STL has much better RB situation, & arguably needed depth a lot less, yet they prioritized having two RBs enough to spend a second rounder...i realize leonard is technically isted as FB, but i think he was valued for his similar skill set to jax, not as a prototypical blocking FB...White had over 50 rushing TDs and 3,000 rushing yards in three years against Pac-10 competition. Henry had 9 TDs and less than 1,000 yards in three years against the same competition. College isn't the NFL. There's no doubt that USC's supporting cast helped White amass those huge totals. But would Chris Henry have even sniffed the field at USC? Doubt it. He probably would've been no better than third on their depth chart. He couldn't even beat out Mike Bell. Maybe the Titans just got the next Willie Parker or Priest Holmes, but you can color me skeptical. Looks like a blown pick to me. If the stats aren't enough to convince you, then take a peek at his highlights.
Are you serious??? Comparing SJax to L. White and their respective team situations is ridiculous. The picks of Leonard and Henry have nothing to do with each other.ETA - I think STL bringing in Leonard actually helps SJax from a dynasty perspective. If SJax continues to get as many touches as he did last year, he will wear down before his time, so they need someone who can spell him, block for him and play the versatile role that Leonard will.does rams drafting of leonard signify that he could beat out steven jackson... certainly STL had other holes on the team, that could have been filled with a second round pick...not sure it follows that because henry went in 2nd, TEN must view him as likely starter... maybe they view him as RBBC role or depth, but liked him better than guys like jackson, bush, pittman, & thought that was worth a second rounder... STL has much better RB situation, & arguably needed depth a lot less, yet they prioritized having two RBs enough to spend a second rounder...i realize leonard is technically isted as FB, but i think he was valued for his similar skill set to jax, not as a prototypical blocking FB...White had over 50 rushing TDs and 3,000 rushing yards in three years against Pac-10 competition. Henry had 9 TDs and less than 1,000 yards in three years against the same competition. College isn't the NFL. There's no doubt that USC's supporting cast helped White amass those huge totals. But would Chris Henry have even sniffed the field at USC? Doubt it. He probably would've been no better than third on their depth chart. He couldn't even beat out Mike Bell. Maybe the Titans just got the next Willie Parker or Priest Holmes, but you can color me skeptical. Looks like a blown pick to me. If the stats aren't enough to convince you, then take a peek at his highlights.I said I was skeptical too. However the only thing that White has proven while in the NFL is that he doesn't have what it takes or at least that he deserves just as much skepticism as Henry, if not more. TEN would not have taken Henry that high if they didn't like him and/or didn't think much of White. They obviously plan on giving Henry a chance to win the starting job. You sound like a White owner.
I say he signs a 1 year deal with Tenn
That's a really bad comparision. Jackson is the entrenched starter. White was the backup last year.does rams drafting of leonard signify that he could beat out steven jackson... certainly STL had other holes on the team, that could have been filled with a second round pick...not sure it follows that because henry went in 2nd, TEN must view him as likely starter... maybe they view him as RBBC role or depth, but liked him better than guys like jackson, bush, pittman, & thought that was worth a second rounder... STL has much better RB situation, & arguably needed depth a lot less, yet they prioritized having two RBs enough to spend a second rounder...i realize leonard is technically isted as FB, but i think he was valued for his similar skill set to jax, not as a prototypical blocking FB...White had over 50 rushing TDs and 3,000 rushing yards in three years against Pac-10 competition. Henry had 9 TDs and less than 1,000 yards in three years against the same competition. College isn't the NFL. There's no doubt that USC's supporting cast helped White amass those huge totals. But would Chris Henry have even sniffed the field at USC? Doubt it. He probably would've been no better than third on their depth chart. He couldn't even beat out Mike Bell. Maybe the Titans just got the next Willie Parker or Priest Holmes, but you can color me skeptical. Looks like a blown pick to me. If the stats aren't enough to convince you, then take a peek at his highlights.
I said I was skeptical too. However the only thing that White has proven while in the NFL is that he doesn't have what it takes or at least that he deserves just as much skepticism as Henry, if not more. TEN would not have taken Henry that high if they didn't like him and/or didn't think much of White. They obviously plan on giving Henry a chance to win the starting job. You sound like a White owner.
Did Boldin lose when Fitzgerald came to town?Did Marvin lose when Wayne came to Indy? (ok, bad comparison)
I agree, it appears that White is being given the key to the car, I hope he chooses to have the drive.
I believe in Martz's offense Isaac Bruce had one of his best seasons the year after Holt was drafted.fatness said:
wasn't comparing relative job security of jackson & white, just making point that spending a second rounder on a RB doesn't necessarily mean team intends for him to be a starter... like i said, STL arguably needs a RB2 LESS, yet they prioritized it... with TEN needing depth even more, it doesn't seem like a stretch that they could have done same...Are you serious??? Comparing SJax to L. White and their respective team situations is ridiculous. The picks of Leonard and Henry have nothing to do with each other.ETA - I think STL bringing in Leonard actually helps SJax from a dynasty perspective. If SJax continues to get as many touches as he did last year, he will wear down before his time, so they need someone who can spell him, block for him and play the versatile role that Leonard will.does rams drafting of leonard signify that he could beat out steven jackson... certainly STL had other holes on the team, that could have been filled with a second round pick...not sure it follows that because henry went in 2nd, TEN must view him as likely starter... maybe they view him as RBBC role or depth, but liked him better than guys like jackson, bush, pittman, & thought that was worth a second rounder... STL has much better RB situation, & arguably needed depth a lot less, yet they prioritized having two RBs enough to spend a second rounder...i realize leonard is technically isted as FB, but i think he was valued for his similar skill set to jax, not as a prototypical blocking FB...White had over 50 rushing TDs and 3,000 rushing yards in three years against Pac-10 competition. Henry had 9 TDs and less than 1,000 yards in three years against the same competition. College isn't the NFL. There's no doubt that USC's supporting cast helped White amass those huge totals. But would Chris Henry have even sniffed the field at USC? Doubt it. He probably would've been no better than third on their depth chart. He couldn't even beat out Mike Bell. Maybe the Titans just got the next Willie Parker or Priest Holmes, but you can color me skeptical. Looks like a blown pick to me. If the stats aren't enough to convince you, then take a peek at his highlights.
I said I was skeptical too. However the only thing that White has proven while in the NFL is that he doesn't have what it takes or at least that he deserves just as much skepticism as Henry, if not more. TEN would not have taken Henry that high if they didn't like him and/or didn't think much of White. They obviously plan on giving Henry a chance to win the starting job. You sound like a White owner.
You're right. All their 2008 draft picks increased in value.
I've been waiting for someone to say this! 700/7 not out of reach for Gonzalez THIS year IMHO.
Sssshhhhhhhhhh!!I'm hoping I can trade down from the 1.07 and still pick Gonzlez up not long after.
Don't forget that they added Sammy Morris and are already supposedly going after Chris Brown. Don't get me wrong I love Maroney but there will be some more depth added behind him. The negative side to the draft is they had the opportunity to bolster the o-line with a Grubbs or Staley/Blalock and moved the pick til 08. The o- line is good but it could have gotten better. The wr's will really open things up thoughAnd don't forget Laurence Maroney. No RBs added and now the field is going to be stretched which will help him both as a runner and receiver.
They know when healthy (BIG if) Brown is a solid RB. I do not think they can take the chance with White and Henry.
Stop with the CAPS, its very annoying. As far as the Bears' draft, many people criticized Angelo last year for his picks which I think turned out pretty well. I personally would maybe have taken O-Line earlier but I think Angelo and his scouting staff did a good job this year and I will give them the benefit of the doubt until I see otherwise.
Brown carried in only 5 games for Tenn last year, they pretty much shelved him. Negotiations were not pretty with the team, either. I just don't see him having much value if he stays with the Titans in '07.
