Draft Strategy for Dynasty Startups (1 Viewer)

[thriftyrocker]

I think the difference here is that people view LeShoure as a top 4 talent prior to the draft, and will be more willing to wait it out with him, similar to CJ Spiller, Beanie Wells, etc. Tate and Hardesty were not on the top of anyones talent lists, they rose simply because of situation. Thats a key difference to me.

Yeah, this is key. Shonn Greene lost reps to relics and has never been useful in fantasy, but has retained value. And this is despite being drafted later than Hardesty and Tate. Those guys are outliers like Brandon Jackson - flawed prospects in a bad draft class. Leshoure will keep some value for a long time even if he is benched or gets a significant injury like an ACL tear.

 

[squistion]

This may seem obvious but if you're going to take risks on a slightly older team you better win a championship your first year. One team in particular during a startup last year drafted gore, turner and Steve smith, got good value on each tbh but it didn't work out and his team is in a really bad way for the future.My strategy was to draft mostly for next year. Take guys who could maybe do well this year but that should absolutely be ready to hit full potential the year after. I believe in going QB early but my experience is mainly in 16 team leagues so I'm probably bias.

I was in a similar situation. I drafted Gore, Turner and Reggie Wayne in a startup last season and everyone thought I was crazy. They also thought I was crazy for drafting Foster somewhat early and Kyle Orton but that's another story. Anyway, mid-season I traded Gore and Davone Bess for Roddy White. I traded Turner and Deon Butler for Mendenhall. Kept Wayne and will trade him this season before he loses his trade value.

Anyone's startup strategy will work if they can get their league mates to accept multiple terrible trades. In my leagues, offering a trade like either of those would be viewed as a joke or insult.

Such is the world of the eight dynasty leagues that I am in. YMMV.

 

[zilladog]

I think the difference here is that people view LeShoure as a top 4 talent prior to the draft, and will be more willing to wait it out with him, similar to CJ Spiller, Beanie Wells, etc. Tate and Hardesty were not on the top of anyones talent lists, they rose simply because of situation. Thats a key difference to me.

Yeah, this is key. Shonn Greene lost reps to relics and has never been useful in fantasy, but has retained value. And this is despite being drafted later than Hardesty and Tate. Those guys are outliers like Brandon Jackson - flawed prospects in a bad draft class. Leshoure will keep some value for a long time even if he is benched or gets a significant injury like an ACL tear.

My larger point was simply how a rookie's value can tank at a slight change in the breeze, and if you can get a Gore type of guy and something on the back end, it makes all the sense in the world to do it. I used Tate and Hardesty as examples because they were recent and fresh in everyone's minds. And as far as I'm concerned, Hardesty is the most talented back in Cleveland and I'm glad I was able to get him for a song in one of my leagues.But if you don't like those examples...How about DMC? Could've gotten him for a pb&j sandwich a year ago (Too bad I ran out of jelly ) Or Reggie Bush? Or Kevin Smith?Drafting young rookies is smart in a startup dynasty....obviously. But it's just plain riskier than going with a veteran back. Then again, it's smarter to draft the Rookie first, then trade him for the vet.

 

[Sidewinder16]

...one also included devy's.

...or even a 2012 devy.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "devy"?

Developmental pick, guys still in school. Some leagues let you draft any year college players, others only let you draft NFL Draft-eligible players.

Thanks. I was assuming that was the case, but wanted to make sure.

 

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I would pay the 1.04 for Gore.

If I was contending I would give up the 1.04 for Gore. If I was not contending I would hold the 1.04 and draft a young back.

In a startup or in the preseason there is no practical reason to do this. If I take Leshoure or Ryan Williams now, I can trade them for an old RB who is producing in November. If you are contending (or a good startup drafter), take your team, make the playoffs, and then trade for an old guy who can help for the stretch run.If you take Gore over a young player now, you are putting all your eggs in the Gore basket :easter:. If he looks slow/hobbled in August or doesn't make it through to the end of the year (like last year), then your team is shot long term.

A guy like Leshoure is worth a Frank Gore and more in many dynasty leagues. And thats a steal for the Leshoure owner. You always take the guy with more value, then flip him for what you want. That, imo, is a great way to approach teambuilding. Of course, the risk is if Leshoure or whoever you take loses most of his value right off the bat. Montario Hardesty, anyone? No? How about Ben Tate?

I think the difference here is that people view LeShoure as a top 4 talent prior to the draft, and will be more willing to wait it out with him, similar to CJ Spiller, Beanie Wells, etc. Tate and Hardesty were not on the top of anyones talent lists, they rose simply because of situation. Thats a key difference to me.

I liked Hardesty last year more than Leshoure this year, and Tate was pretty close...before the NFL draft. Leshoure is only a top 4 RB talent this year because of the lack of RB talent this year. Had Leshoure came out last year he would have been drafted in the same range as Tate, Hardesty, perhaps even after them.

 

[thriftyrocker]

My larger point was simply how a rookie's value can tank at a slight change in the breeze, and if you can get a Gore type of guy and something on the back end, it makes all the sense in the world to do it.

The rookie can fail but still have pedigree. The vet fails due to health or losing a step and becomes worthless.

I used Tate and Hardesty as examples because they were recent and fresh in everyone's minds. And as far as I'm concerned, Hardesty is the most talented back in Cleveland and I'm glad I was able to get him for a song in one of my leagues.

Hardesty's flaw is health. He was banged up in college too. I like Leshoure better, but Hardesty is a solid prospect minus the health concerns that existed even before 2010.

But if you don't like those examples...How about DMC? Could've gotten him for a pb&j sandwich a year ago (Too bad I ran out of jelly ) Or Reggie Bush? Or Kevin Smith?

DMC still cost a late 1st even at his low point. Won't take much for Gore to drop down to Portis 2010 value, which was 3rd and a ham sandwich. DMC's actually an argument for taking the unproven guy. CJ Spiller is another guy. No one is selling Spiller for less than a mid 1st right now. Even if Spiller does nothing in 2011, that price won't drop below a late 1st. If Fred Jackson falls off (like Greene/LT in NY) Spiller hype will still be there for the right buyer.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

I would pay the 1.04 for Gore.

If I was contending I would give up the 1.04 for Gore. If I was not contending I would hold the 1.04 and draft a young back.

In a startup or in the preseason there is no practical reason to do this. If I take Leshoure or Ryan Williams now, I can trade them for an old RB who is producing in November. If you are contending (or a good startup drafter), take your team, make the playoffs, and then trade for an old guy who can help for the stretch run.If you take Gore over a young player now, you are putting all your eggs in the Gore basket :easter:. If he looks slow/hobbled in August or doesn't make it through to the end of the year (like last year), then your team is shot long term.

A guy like Leshoure is worth a Frank Gore and more in many dynasty leagues. And thats a steal for the Leshoure owner. You always take the guy with more value, then flip him for what you want. That, imo, is a great way to approach teambuilding. Of course, the risk is if Leshoure or whoever you take loses most of his value right off the bat. Montario Hardesty, anyone? No? How about Ben Tate?

I think the difference here is that people view LeShoure as a top 4 talent prior to the draft, and will be more willing to wait it out with him, similar to CJ Spiller, Beanie Wells, etc. Tate and Hardesty were not on the top of anyones talent lists, they rose simply because of situation. Thats a key difference to me.

I liked Hardesty last year more than Leshoure this year, and Tate was pretty close...before the NFL draft. Leshoure is only a top 4 RB talent this year because of the lack of RB talent this year. Had Leshoure came out last year he would have been drafted in the same range as Tate, Hardesty, perhaps even after them.

I would guess you are in the minority though. I also think LeShoure is a class above Hardesty and two above Tate, and I am not even that high on LeShoure in comparison to a lot of people.

 

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I would pay the 1.04 for Gore.

If I was contending I would give up the 1.04 for Gore. If I was not contending I would hold the 1.04 and draft a young back.

In a startup or in the preseason there is no practical reason to do this. If I take Leshoure or Ryan Williams now, I can trade them for an old RB who is producing in November. If you are contending (or a good startup drafter), take your team, make the playoffs, and then trade for an old guy who can help for the stretch run.If you take Gore over a young player now, you are putting all your eggs in the Gore basket :easter:. If he looks slow/hobbled in August or doesn't make it through to the end of the year (like last year), then your team is shot long term.

A guy like Leshoure is worth a Frank Gore and more in many dynasty leagues. And thats a steal for the Leshoure owner. You always take the guy with more value, then flip him for what you want. That, imo, is a great way to approach teambuilding. Of course, the risk is if Leshoure or whoever you take loses most of his value right off the bat. Montario Hardesty, anyone? No? How about Ben Tate?

I think the difference here is that people view LeShoure as a top 4 talent prior to the draft, and will be more willing to wait it out with him, similar to CJ Spiller, Beanie Wells, etc. Tate and Hardesty were not on the top of anyones talent lists, they rose simply because of situation. Thats a key difference to me.

I liked Hardesty last year more than Leshoure this year, and Tate was pretty close...before the NFL draft. Leshoure is only a top 4 RB talent this year because of the lack of RB talent this year. Had Leshoure came out last year he would have been drafted in the same range as Tate, Hardesty, perhaps even after them.

I would guess you are in the minority though. I also think LeShoure is a class above Hardesty and two above Tate, and I am not even that high on LeShoure in comparison to a lot of people.

Youre right, I am likely in the minority. I just bet I wouldnt be if this class was more top heavy at RB, or if Tate and Hardesty stayed healthy last year. Its quite possible Hardesty puts up Hillis numbers and Tate puts up Foster numbers and everyone here would be telling us just how much they liked those guys last year.

 

[No Way Jose]

I would pay the 1.04 for Gore.

If I was contending I would give up the 1.04 for Gore. If I was not contending I would hold the 1.04 and draft a young back.

In a startup or in the preseason there is no practical reason to do this. If I take Leshoure or Ryan Williams now, I can trade them for an old RB who is producing in November. If you are contending (or a good startup drafter), take your team, make the playoffs, and then trade for an old guy who can help for the stretch run.If you take Gore over a young player now, you are putting all your eggs in the Gore basket :easter:. If he looks slow/hobbled in August or doesn't make it through to the end of the year (like last year), then your team is shot long term.

A guy like Leshoure is worth a Frank Gore and more in many dynasty leagues. And thats a steal for the Leshoure owner. You always take the guy with more value, then flip him for what you want. That, imo, is a great way to approach teambuilding. Of course, the risk is if Leshoure or whoever you take loses most of his value right off the bat. Montario Hardesty, anyone? No? How about Ben Tate?

I think the difference here is that people view LeShoure as a top 4 talent prior to the draft, and will be more willing to wait it out with him, similar to CJ Spiller, Beanie Wells, etc. Tate and Hardesty were not on the top of anyones talent lists, they rose simply because of situation. Thats a key difference to me.

I liked Hardesty last year more than Leshoure this year, and Tate was pretty close...before the NFL draft. Leshoure is only a top 4 RB talent this year because of the lack of RB talent this year. Had Leshoure came out last year he would have been drafted in the same range as Tate, Hardesty, perhaps even after them.

I would guess you are in the minority though. I also think LeShoure is a class above Hardesty and two above Tate, and I am not even that high on LeShoure in comparison to a lot of people.

Youre right, I am likely in the minority. I just bet I wouldnt be if this class was more top heavy at RB, or if Tate and Hardesty stayed healthy last year. Its quite possible Hardesty puts up Hillis numbers and Tate puts up Foster numbers and everyone here would be telling us just how much they liked those guys last year.

I think Foster still does what he does even if Tate was healthy. Foster had that job before the preseason. Hardesty on the other hand very well could have had a lot is those yard Peyton Hillis got. Those guys Just had terrible luck. Their combine numbers and college careers were just as good if not better than quite a few of the backs in this draft. It's human nature to want the next gamble. Next year it will be someone else we all want and guys like Leahoure and Williams be just OK, kinda like Spiller.

 

[Go deep]

I would pay the 1.04 for Gore.

If I was contending I would give up the 1.04 for Gore. If I was not contending I would hold the 1.04 and draft a young back.

In a startup or in the preseason there is no practical reason to do this. If I take Leshoure or Ryan Williams now, I can trade them for an old RB who is producing in November. If you are contending (or a good startup drafter), take your team, make the playoffs, and then trade for an old guy who can help for the stretch run.If you take Gore over a young player now, you are putting all your eggs in the Gore basket :easter:. If he looks slow/hobbled in August or doesn't make it through to the end of the year (like last year), then your team is shot long term.

A guy like Leshoure is worth a Frank Gore and more in many dynasty leagues. And thats a steal for the Leshoure owner. You always take the guy with more value, then flip him for what you want. That, imo, is a great way to approach teambuilding. Of course, the risk is if Leshoure or whoever you take loses most of his value right off the bat. Montario Hardesty, anyone? No? How about Ben Tate?

I think the difference here is that people view LeShoure as a top 4 talent prior to the draft, and will be more willing to wait it out with him, similar to CJ Spiller, Beanie Wells, etc. Tate and Hardesty were not on the top of anyones talent lists, they rose simply because of situation. Thats a key difference to me.

I liked Hardesty last year more than Leshoure this year, and Tate was pretty close...before the NFL draft. Leshoure is only a top 4 RB talent this year because of the lack of RB talent this year. Had Leshoure came out last year he would have been drafted in the same range as Tate, Hardesty, perhaps even after them.

I would guess you are in the minority though. I also think LeShoure is a class above Hardesty and two above Tate, and I am not even that high on LeShoure in comparison to a lot of people.

Youre right, I am likely in the minority. I just bet I wouldnt be if this class was more top heavy at RB, or if Tate and Hardesty stayed healthy last year. Its quite possible Hardesty puts up Hillis numbers and Tate puts up Foster numbers and everyone here would be telling us just how much they liked those guys last year.

I think Foster still does what he does even if Tate was healthy. Foster had that job before the preseason. Hardesty on the other hand very well could have had a lot is those yard Peyton Hillis got. Those guys Just had terrible luck. Their combine numbers and college careers were just as good if not better than quite a few of the backs in this draft. It's human nature to want the next gamble. Next year it will be someone else we all want and guys like Leahoure and Williams be just OK, kinda like Spiller.

Foster may have ended up doing what he did anyway, although I don't think most people thought that before Tate went down last year. Tate was being picked ahead of Foster in all redrafts and dynasty startups before he got hurt. That's not really my point though, just that Leshoure is being overrated because of lack of good RBs coming out this year.

Where do you think Leshoure would have been picked if he was in last years draft?

 

[thriftyrocker]

Where do you think Leshoure would have been picked if he was in last years draft?

Ahead of all those jokers that went in the 2nd last year.

 

[zilladog]

I would pay the 1.04 for Gore.

If I was contending I would give up the 1.04 for Gore. If I was not contending I would hold the 1.04 and draft a young back.

In a startup or in the preseason there is no practical reason to do this. If I take Leshoure or Ryan Williams now, I can trade them for an old RB who is producing in November. If you are contending (or a good startup drafter), take your team, make the playoffs, and then trade for an old guy who can help for the stretch run.If you take Gore over a young player now, you are putting all your eggs in the Gore basket :easter:. If he looks slow/hobbled in August or doesn't make it through to the end of the year (like last year), then your team is shot long term.

A guy like Leshoure is worth a Frank Gore and more in many dynasty leagues. And thats a steal for the Leshoure owner. You always take the guy with more value, then flip him for what you want. That, imo, is a great way to approach teambuilding. Of course, the risk is if Leshoure or whoever you take loses most of his value right off the bat. Montario Hardesty, anyone? No? How about Ben Tate?

I think the difference here is that people view LeShoure as a top 4 talent prior to the draft, and will be more willing to wait it out with him, similar to CJ Spiller, Beanie Wells, etc. Tate and Hardesty were not on the top of anyones talent lists, they rose simply because of situation. Thats a key difference to me.

I liked Hardesty last year more than Leshoure this year, and Tate was pretty close...before the NFL draft. Leshoure is only a top 4 RB talent this year because of the lack of RB talent this year. Had Leshoure came out last year he would have been drafted in the same range as Tate, Hardesty, perhaps even after them.

I would guess you are in the minority though. I also think LeShoure is a class above Hardesty and two above Tate, and I am not even that high on LeShoure in comparison to a lot of people.

Youre right, I am likely in the minority. I just bet I wouldnt be if this class was more top heavy at RB, or if Tate and Hardesty stayed healthy last year. Its quite possible Hardesty puts up Hillis numbers and Tate puts up Foster numbers and everyone here would be telling us just how much they liked those guys last year.

I think Foster still does what he does even if Tate was healthy. Foster had that job before the preseason. Hardesty on the other hand very well could have had a lot is those yard Peyton Hillis got. Those guys Just had terrible luck. Their combine numbers and college careers were just as good if not better than quite a few of the backs in this draft. It's human nature to want the next gamble. Next year it will be someone else we all want and guys like Leahoure and Williams be just OK, kinda like Spiller.

Foster may have ended up doing what he did anyway, although I don't think most people thought that before Tate went down last year. Tate was being picked ahead of Foster in all redrafts and dynasty startups before he got hurt. That's not really my point though, just that Leshoure is being overrated because of lack of good RBs coming out this year.

Where do you think Leshoure would have been picked if he was in last years draft?

Ahead of Tate, behind hardesty. This RB class, while far from '08 elite, is certainly deep. Lost of great RB prospects after the big 3. I have a strong feeling that this time next year it'll be a different RB (other than Ingram, Williams and Leshoure) that will be all the rage. This class gives us dynasty folks plenty of new shiny toys

 

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Ahead of Tate, behind hardesty. This RB class, while far from '08 elite, is certainly deep. Lost of great RB prospects after the big 3. I have a strong feeling that this time next year it'll be a different RB (other than Ingram, Williams and Leshoure) that will be all the rage. This class gives us dynasty folks plenty of new shiny toys

I agree with where you rank Leshoure, i would have likely had him between Hardesty and Tate, but all three would have been pretty close, and situation would have had alot to do with where i drafted them in rookie drafts. I also agree that it is likely that one of the top 3 backs isnt the one who emerges as the best because other than Ingram i believe their is alot of average prospects as opposed to an obvious set of teired prospects in this draft. Of course the NFL draft will help paint a clearer picture of which RB's will go where in rookie drafts, i just think it is going to be even more of a crapshoot to find the good RB's this year than in years past.

 

[zilladog]

Ahead of Tate, behind hardesty. This RB class, while far from '08 elite, is certainly deep. Lost of great RB prospects after the big 3. I have a strong feeling that this time next year it'll be a different RB (other than Ingram, Williams and Leshoure) that will be all the rage. This class gives us dynasty folks plenty of new shiny toys

I agree with where you rank Leshoure, i would have likely had him between Hardesty and Tate, but all three would have been pretty close, and situation would have had alot to do with where i drafted them in rookie drafts. I also agree that it is likely that one of the top 3 backs isnt the one who emerges as the best because other than Ingram i believe their is alot of average prospects as opposed to an obvious set of teired prospects in this draft. Of course the NFL draft will help paint a clearer picture of which RB's will go where in rookie drafts, i just think it is going to be even more of a crapshoot to find the good RB's this year than in years past.

Where do you guys have Ingram, Leshoure and Williams ranked in a startup dynasty draft? Are you only going to jump on them when it presents good value? are any of them worth reaching for? As of right now in my upcoming startup dynasty I'm figuring Ingram goes as high as late 2nd round. Somewhere around RB 15-20

 

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Ahead of Tate, behind hardesty. This RB class, while far from '08 elite, is certainly deep. Lost of great RB prospects after the big 3. I have a strong feeling that this time next year it'll be a different RB (other than Ingram, Williams and Leshoure) that will be all the rage. This class gives us dynasty folks plenty of new shiny toys

I agree with where you rank Leshoure, i would have likely had him between Hardesty and Tate, but all three would have been pretty close, and situation would have had alot to do with where i drafted them in rookie drafts. I also agree that it is likely that one of the top 3 backs isnt the one who emerges as the best because other than Ingram i believe their is alot of average prospects as opposed to an obvious set of teired prospects in this draft. Of course the NFL draft will help paint a clearer picture of which RB's will go where in rookie drafts, i just think it is going to be even more of a crapshoot to find the good RB's this year than in years past.

Where do you guys have Ingram, Leshoure and Williams ranked in a startup dynasty draft? Are you only going to jump on them when it presents good value? are any of them worth reaching for? As of right now in my upcoming startup dynasty I'm figuring Ingram goes as high as late 2nd round. Somewhere around RB 15-20

Is the startup draft before the NFL draft? because where they get drafted could make a huge difference. Right now i have Ingram with a score of 54, which would have him getting drafted around pick 25(early 3rd round) in a dynasty startup where i make every pick. Leshoure and Williams have a score of 40, which would put them right around the 60th pick(end of the 5th round). Like i said though, this can change pretty drastically depending on what happens in the draft.*Assuming a non-ppr

 

[eaglesfan7]

I'm in the middle of a startup that includes rookies. I'll post the results tomorrow for you.

 

[eaglesfan7]

12 Team PPR Start 1 QB/ 2-3 RB/ 2-4 WR/ 1-2 TE

This draft includes developmental players so pardon me if I confuse some of them.

Rookies that were drafted in the startup and where they were drafted:

4.10 (46 overall) AJ Green WR

5.02 (50) Mark Ingram RB

6.02 (62) Julio Jones WR

6.10 (70) Mikel Leshoure RB

7.02 (74) Randall Cobb WR

7.04 (76) Ryan Williams RB

8.08 (92) Jonathan Baldwin WR

9.01 (97) Cam Newton QB

9.02 (98) Greg Little WR

9.08 (104) Daniel Thomas RB

9.09 (105) Delone Carter RB

9.10 (106) Michael Floyd WR - I only mention him in case he joins the developmental supplemental draft

10.02 (110) Torrey Smith WR

10.04 (112) Leonard Hankerson WR

10.09 (117) Greg Salas WR

11.05 (125) Jordan Todman RB

11.10 (130) Blaine Glabbert QB

11.11 (131) DeMarco Murray RB

12.01 (133) Shane Vareen RB

12.09 (141) Titus Young WR

12.10 (142) Bilal Powell RB

12.12 (144) Jacquizz Rodgers RB

13.03 (147) Kendall Hunter RB

13.08 (152) Kyle Rudolph TE

15.02 (170) Vincent Brown WR

16.01 (181) Andy Dalton QB

16.02 (182) Taiwan Jones RB

16.11 (191) Christian Ponder QB

17.03 (195) Edmund Gates WR

17.04 (196) Jake Locker QB

17.11 (203) Roy Helu Jr. RB

18.01 (205) Johnny White RB

18.09 (213) Dion Lewis RB

19.03 (219) Alex Green RB

19.12 (228) Da'Rel Scott RB

20.01 (229) Lance Kendricks TE

20.05 (233) Ryan Mallet QB

20.09 (237) Tandon Doss WR

21.01 (241) Virgil Green TE

21.07 (247) Colin Kaepernick QB

22.01 (253) Aldrick Robinson WR

 

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12 Team PPR Start 1 QB/ 2-3 RB/ 2-4 WR/ 1-2 TE

This draft includes developmental players so pardon me if I confuse some of them.

Rookies that were drafted in the startup and where they were drafted:

4.10 (46 overall) AJ Green WR

5.02 (50) Mark Ingram RB

6.02 (62) Julio Jones WR

6.10 (70) Mikel Leshoure RB

7.02 (74) Randall Cobb WR

7.04 (76) Ryan Williams RB

8.08 (92) Jonathan Baldwin WR

9.01 (97) Cam Newton QB

9.02 (98) Greg Little WR

9.08 (104) Daniel Thomas RB

9.09 (105) Delone Carter RB

9.10 (106) Michael Floyd WR - I only mention him in case he joins the developmental draft

10.02 (110) Torrey Smith WR

10.04 (112) Leonard Hankerson WR

10.09 (117) Greg Salas WR

11.05 (125) Jordan Todman RB

11.10 (130) Blaine Glabbert QB

11.11 (131) DeMarco Murray RB

12.01 (133) Shane Vareen RB

12.09 (141) Titus Young WR

12.10 (142) Bilal Powell RB

12.12 (144) Jacquizz Rodgers RB

13.03 (147) Kendall Hunter RB

13.08 (152) Kyle Rudolph TE

15.02 (170) Vincent Brown WR

16.01 (181) Andy Dalton QB

16.02 (182) Taiwan Jones RB

16.11 (191) Christian Ponder QB

17.03 (195) Edmund Gates WR

17.04 (196) Jake Locker QB

17.11 (203) Roy Helu Jr. RB

18.01 (205) Johnny White RB

18.09 (213) Dion Lewis RB

19.03 (219) Alex Green RB

19.12 (228) Da'Rel Scott RB

20.01 (229) Lance Kendricks TE

20.05 (233) Ryan Mallet QB

20.09 (237) Tandon Doss WR

21.01 (241) Virgil Green TE

21.07 (247) Colin Kaepernick QB

22.01 (253) Aldrick Robinson WR

Thanks for posting this, but what does this mean? Edit, i think you meant the supplemental draft?It looks like rookies were seriously undervalued here. I would bet that Green, Ingram and Jones are all being drafted at least one round earlier in startups next year. Plus, if im not mistaken, it looks like the same owner got the first five rookies, which is really strange especially when you consider how late they went.

 

[eaglesfan7]

12 Team PPR Start 1 QB/ 2-3 RB/ 2-4 WR/ 1-2 TE

This draft includes developmental players so pardon me if I confuse some of them.

Rookies that were drafted in the startup and where they were drafted:

4.10 (46 overall) AJ Green WR

5.02 (50) Mark Ingram RB

6.02 (62) Julio Jones WR

6.10 (70) Mikel Leshoure RB

7.02 (74) Randall Cobb WR

7.04 (76) Ryan Williams RB

8.08 (92) Jonathan Baldwin WR

9.01 (97) Cam Newton QB

9.02 (98) Greg Little WR

9.08 (104) Daniel Thomas RB

9.09 (105) Delone Carter RB

9.10 (106) Michael Floyd WR - I only mention him in case he joins the developmental draft

10.02 (110) Torrey Smith WR

10.04 (112) Leonard Hankerson WR

10.09 (117) Greg Salas WR

11.05 (125) Jordan Todman RB

11.10 (130) Blaine Glabbert QB

11.11 (131) DeMarco Murray RB

12.01 (133) Shane Vareen RB

12.09 (141) Titus Young WR

12.10 (142) Bilal Powell RB

12.12 (144) Jacquizz Rodgers RB

13.03 (147) Kendall Hunter RB

13.08 (152) Kyle Rudolph TE

15.02 (170) Vincent Brown WR

16.01 (181) Andy Dalton QB

16.02 (182) Taiwan Jones RB

16.11 (191) Christian Ponder QB

17.03 (195) Edmund Gates WR

17.04 (196) Jake Locker QB

17.11 (203) Roy Helu Jr. RB

18.01 (205) Johnny White RB

18.09 (213) Dion Lewis RB

19.03 (219) Alex Green RB

19.12 (228) Da'Rel Scott RB

20.01 (229) Lance Kendricks TE

20.05 (233) Ryan Mallet QB

20.09 (237) Tandon Doss WR

21.01 (241) Virgil Green TE

21.07 (247) Colin Kaepernick QB

22.01 (253) Aldrick Robinson WR

Thans for posting this, but what does this mean?Also, it looks like rookies were seriously undervalued here. I would bet that Green, Ingram and Jones are all being drafted at least one round earlier in startups next year. Plus, if im not mistaken, it looks like the same owner got the first five rookies, which is really strange especially when you consider how late they went.

The same owner did not get the first five rookie picks. It was a couple different owners but the same owner did get 2 of the first 3 rookies selected. That was my team and I took AJ Green and Julio Jones. I know, my team will be extremely young and probably has no chance of competing this year since I drafted young throughout the whole draft.

When you ask "what does this mean" I assume you're talking about Michael Floyd. I wasn't sure if he declared for the draft or not but I thought I heard he didn't declare and then had the legal trouble and may decide to come out in the development draft????? In that case, he's a rookie and not a devy player and that's why I posted when he was selected. I didn't post any devy player selections that occurred in the draft. This list is just the rookies.

 

[eaglesfan7]

12 Team PPR Start 1 QB/ 2-3 RB/ 2-4 WR/ 1-2 TE

This draft includes developmental players so pardon me if I confuse some of them.

Rookies that were drafted in the startup and where they were drafted:

4.10 (46 overall) AJ Green WR

5.02 (50) Mark Ingram RB

6.02 (62) Julio Jones WR

6.10 (70) Mikel Leshoure RB

7.02 (74) Randall Cobb WR

7.04 (76) Ryan Williams RB

8.08 (92) Jonathan Baldwin WR

9.01 (97) Cam Newton QB

9.02 (98) Greg Little WR

9.08 (104) Daniel Thomas RB

9.09 (105) Delone Carter RB

9.10 (106) Michael Floyd WR - I only mention him in case he joins the developmental draft

10.02 (110) Torrey Smith WR

10.04 (112) Leonard Hankerson WR

10.09 (117) Greg Salas WR

11.05 (125) Jordan Todman RB

11.10 (130) Blaine Glabbert QB

11.11 (131) DeMarco Murray RB

12.01 (133) Shane Vareen RB

12.09 (141) Titus Young WR

12.10 (142) Bilal Powell RB

12.12 (144) Jacquizz Rodgers RB

13.03 (147) Kendall Hunter RB

13.08 (152) Kyle Rudolph TE

15.02 (170) Vincent Brown WR

16.01 (181) Andy Dalton QB

16.02 (182) Taiwan Jones RB

16.11 (191) Christian Ponder QB

17.03 (195) Edmund Gates WR

17.04 (196) Jake Locker QB

17.11 (203) Roy Helu Jr. RB

18.01 (205) Johnny White RB

18.09 (213) Dion Lewis RB

19.03 (219) Alex Green RB

19.12 (228) Da'Rel Scott RB

20.01 (229) Lance Kendricks TE

20.05 (233) Ryan Mallet QB

20.09 (237) Tandon Doss WR

21.01 (241) Virgil Green TE

21.07 (247) Colin Kaepernick QB

22.01 (253) Aldrick Robinson WR

Thanks for posting this, but what does this mean? Edit, i think you meant the supplemental draft?It looks like rookies were seriously undervalued here. I would bet that Green, Ingram and Jones are all being drafted at least one round earlier in startups next year. Plus, if im not mistaken, it looks like the same owner got the first five rookies, which is really strange especially when you consider how late they went.

And I also took the fourth rookie selected Mikel Leshoure. I drafted young, young and younger.

 

[Go deep]

12 Team PPR Start 1 QB/ 2-3 RB/ 2-4 WR/ 1-2 TE

This draft includes developmental players so pardon me if I confuse some of them.

Rookies that were drafted in the startup and where they were drafted:

4.10 (46 overall) AJ Green WR

5.02 (50) Mark Ingram RB

6.02 (62) Julio Jones WR

6.10 (70) Mikel Leshoure RB

7.02 (74) Randall Cobb WR

7.04 (76) Ryan Williams RB

8.08 (92) Jonathan Baldwin WR

9.01 (97) Cam Newton QB

9.02 (98) Greg Little WR

9.08 (104) Daniel Thomas RB

9.09 (105) Delone Carter RB

9.10 (106) Michael Floyd WR - I only mention him in case he joins the developmental draft

10.02 (110) Torrey Smith WR

10.04 (112) Leonard Hankerson WR

10.09 (117) Greg Salas WR

11.05 (125) Jordan Todman RB

11.10 (130) Blaine Glabbert QB

11.11 (131) DeMarco Murray RB

12.01 (133) Shane Vareen RB

12.09 (141) Titus Young WR

12.10 (142) Bilal Powell RB

12.12 (144) Jacquizz Rodgers RB

13.03 (147) Kendall Hunter RB

13.08 (152) Kyle Rudolph TE

15.02 (170) Vincent Brown WR

16.01 (181) Andy Dalton QB

16.02 (182) Taiwan Jones RB

16.11 (191) Christian Ponder QB

17.03 (195) Edmund Gates WR

17.04 (196) Jake Locker QB

17.11 (203) Roy Helu Jr. RB

18.01 (205) Johnny White RB

18.09 (213) Dion Lewis RB

19.03 (219) Alex Green RB

19.12 (228) Da'Rel Scott RB

20.01 (229) Lance Kendricks TE

20.05 (233) Ryan Mallet QB

20.09 (237) Tandon Doss WR

21.01 (241) Virgil Green TE

21.07 (247) Colin Kaepernick QB

22.01 (253) Aldrick Robinson WR

Thans for posting this, but what does this mean?Also, it looks like rookies were seriously undervalued here. I would bet that Green, Ingram and Jones are all being drafted at least one round earlier in startups next year. Plus, if im not mistaken, it looks like the same owner got the first five rookies, which is really strange especially when you consider how late they went.

The same owner did not get the first five picks. It was a couple different owners but the same owner did get 2 of the first 3 rookies selected.

When you ask "what does this mean" I assume you're talking about Michael Floyd. I wasn't sure if he declared for the draft or not but I thought I heard he didn't declare and then had the legal trouble and may decide to come out in the development draft????? In that case, he's a rookie and not a devy player and that's why I posted when he was selected. I didn't post any devy player selections that occurred in the draft. This list is just the rookies.

Yeah, for a second i was thinking the 1.10 pick would also have the 2.02 pick, but thats not the case. the 1.11 pick has the 2.02 pick..and so on down the draft.

I think you mean the supplememntal draft, not development draft. i edited that in my first post already.

 

[eaglesfan7]

Sorry , yes supplemental draft. I said development (lol always thinking fantasy). My mistake.

 

[Go deep]

12 Team PPR Start 1 QB/ 2-3 RB/ 2-4 WR/ 1-2 TE

This draft includes developmental players so pardon me if I confuse some of them.

Rookies that were drafted in the startup and where they were drafted:

4.10 (46 overall) AJ Green WR

5.02 (50) Mark Ingram RB

6.02 (62) Julio Jones WR

6.10 (70) Mikel Leshoure RB

7.02 (74) Randall Cobb WR

7.04 (76) Ryan Williams RB

8.08 (92) Jonathan Baldwin WR

9.01 (97) Cam Newton QB

9.02 (98) Greg Little WR

9.08 (104) Daniel Thomas RB

9.09 (105) Delone Carter RB

9.10 (106) Michael Floyd WR - I only mention him in case he joins the developmental draft

10.02 (110) Torrey Smith WR

10.04 (112) Leonard Hankerson WR

10.09 (117) Greg Salas WR

11.05 (125) Jordan Todman RB

11.10 (130) Blaine Glabbert QB

11.11 (131) DeMarco Murray RB

12.01 (133) Shane Vareen RB

12.09 (141) Titus Young WR

12.10 (142) Bilal Powell RB

12.12 (144) Jacquizz Rodgers RB

13.03 (147) Kendall Hunter RB

13.08 (152) Kyle Rudolph TE

15.02 (170) Vincent Brown WR

16.01 (181) Andy Dalton QB

16.02 (182) Taiwan Jones RB

16.11 (191) Christian Ponder QB

17.03 (195) Edmund Gates WR

17.04 (196) Jake Locker QB

17.11 (203) Roy Helu Jr. RB

18.01 (205) Johnny White RB

18.09 (213) Dion Lewis RB

19.03 (219) Alex Green RB

19.12 (228) Da'Rel Scott RB

20.01 (229) Lance Kendricks TE

20.05 (233) Ryan Mallet QB

20.09 (237) Tandon Doss WR

21.01 (241) Virgil Green TE

21.07 (247) Colin Kaepernick QB

22.01 (253) Aldrick Robinson WR

Thanks for posting this, but what does this mean? Edit, i think you meant the supplemental draft?It looks like rookies were seriously undervalued here. I would bet that Green, Ingram and Jones are all being drafted at least one round earlier in startups next year. Plus, if im not mistaken, it looks like the same owner got the first five rookies, which is really strange especially when you consider how late they went.

And I also took the fourth rookie selected Mikel Leshoure. I drafted young, young and younger.

I think this is the only way to go....unless everyone in your league is doing the same thing and leaving great value with older players.

 

[bigern1000]

I had a hybrid theory in a recent startup this year, which included actual rookies and devys. My goal going in was to try and draft young across the board to put myself in a position for future seasons, but to also try and field a team that will hopefully be able to compete this season. Thus, I wouldn't go crazy on rookies and would probably select a number of second-year players who got their feet wet last year and could be primed for much larger roles this season.

The results ended up with me having my oldest player being Garcon (25), and a starting lineup that right now would include Bradford, JStew, Lynch/Leshoure, Nicks, Maclin, Garcon, G-Men D (no K and is not TE-required, although they're 1.5 PPR). A number of those second-year players (ESanders, Decker, Roberts, Dickson) would fill the last starting spot...

 

[zilladog]

I had a hybrid theory in a recent startup this year, which included actual rookies and devys. My goal going in was to try and draft young across the board to put myself in a position for future seasons, but to also try and field a team that will hopefully be able to compete this season. Thus, I wouldn't go crazy on rookies and would probably select a number of second-year players who got their feet wet last year and could be primed for much larger roles this season. The results ended up with me having my oldest player being Garcon (25), and a starting lineup that right now would include Bradford, JStew, Lynch/Leshoure, Nicks, Maclin, Garcon, G-Men D (no K and is not TE-required, although they're 1.5 PPR). A number of those second-year players (ESanders, Decker, Roberts, Dickson) would fill the last starting spot...

Decent team considering how young you went. It all pretty much rides on whether Bradford takes a big leap foward. I like those WR's alot. Moeaki or Jimmy Graham would be very nice targets for you aswell. Overall not a bad startup, imo

 

[eaglesfan7]

I forgot to mention my # 1 draft rule that so many owners do NOT go by:

Never ever ever ever draft a kicker until your very last pick and just take one that has the latest bye week. Every year I see owners take kickers in the teen rounds while I take sleeper backs and receivers. Last season I waited until the last round and took Janikowski in most of my leagues since his bye was Week 10. Worked out just fine.

 

[Concept Coop]

Trade up to get the last players in tiers, when you can.

In start two RB, 14 team leagues, get two RBs early, trading up if needed. The gap between Chris Johnson and Knowshon Moreno is a lot bigger than Hakeem Nicks and Brandon Marshall.

Target the top 5 TEs. 2-4 years of Gates, Clark, or Witten is an advantage over younger, less productive TEs.

Don't overdraft average QBs, due to age - you can always find average QBs.

The talent level dips around rounds 5-6 (14 team). Trade to have 6-7 pikcs before that point.

Draft Austin Collie and handcuff him with Blair White. Best case scenerio, you have a high level WR1. Worst case scenerio, you have a WR2. You pay WR2 value.

Don't draft Dez Bryant.

 

[Matt's Eagles]

Interesting topic...What position does everyone like drafting from in startups? I got the 10 pick.....I also think Matt Ryan might be a qb on the cusp.

 

[eaglesfan7]

I like to pick between 8 and 12 the most. Picks aren't spread too far apart throughout the draft and you get two studs right off the bat.

 

[Concept Coop]

Typically, the higher the better. The gap between #1 and #12 is bigger than the gap between #13 and #24.

 

[Instinctive]

I draft for an elite QB and all WRs early on.

Rodgers/Rivers I usually end up with, then I fill out with wideouts. I feel like my goal in a dynasty is to hope for the best, but expect not to win at all year 1. If it all goes according to plan, I have the best WR corps and QB, with a bunch of young lotto tickets at RB.

If I can get an elite TE with my receivers and QB, great. If not, I wait a looooong time.

What hopefully happens is that I have a very strong core, and then in the rookie draft I take a couple RBs. Those guys get a year to develop for me while I expect to lose, then I add an instant impact rookie RB with the first pick the next season (or w/e early pick I get).

After an entire season mining the wire plus my lotto ticket RBs from the startup draft and rookies should net me one or more viable RBs. If I get really lucky, I have a stud on my hands a la Peyton Hillis, Jamaal Charles from a couple seasons ago, etc...add in the best rookie RB and I should be competitive at a high level for a long time - longevity of WRs and QB plus recycling RBs every year from then on.

 

[Concept Coop]

I draft for an elite QB and all WRs early on.Rodgers/Rivers I usually end up with, then I fill out with wideouts. I feel like my goal in a dynasty is to hope for the best, but expect not to win at all year 1. If it all goes according to plan, I have the best WR corps and QB, with a bunch of young lotto tickets at RB.If I can get an elite TE with my receivers and QB, great. If not, I wait a looooong time. What hopefully happens is that I have a very strong core, and then in the rookie draft I take a couple RBs. Those guys get a year to develop for me while I expect to lose, then I add an instant impact rookie RB with the first pick the next season (or w/e early pick I get).After an entire season mining the wire plus my lotto ticket RBs from the startup draft and rookies should net me one or more viable RBs. If I get really lucky, I have a stud on my hands a la Peyton Hillis, Jamaal Charles from a couple seasons ago, etc...add in the best rookie RB and I should be competitive at a high level for a long time - longevity of WRs and QB plus recycling RBs every year from then on.

That doesn't change where the value is. What combo would you rather have?Rodgers/BradshaworRivers/R. RiceOr with WRsCalvin/MorenoorMarshall/Foster

 

[Instinctive]

I draft for an elite QB and all WRs early on.Rodgers/Rivers I usually end up with, then I fill out with wideouts. I feel like my goal in a dynasty is to hope for the best, but expect not to win at all year 1. If it all goes according to plan, I have the best WR corps and QB, with a bunch of young lotto tickets at RB.If I can get an elite TE with my receivers and QB, great. If not, I wait a looooong time. What hopefully happens is that I have a very strong core, and then in the rookie draft I take a couple RBs. Those guys get a year to develop for me while I expect to lose, then I add an instant impact rookie RB with the first pick the next season (or w/e early pick I get).After an entire season mining the wire plus my lotto ticket RBs from the startup draft and rookies should net me one or more viable RBs. If I get really lucky, I have a stud on my hands a la Peyton Hillis, Jamaal Charles from a couple seasons ago, etc...add in the best rookie RB and I should be competitive at a high level for a long time - longevity of WRs and QB plus recycling RBs every year from then on.

That doesn't change where the value is. What combo would you rather have?Rodgers/BradshaworRivers/R. RiceOr with WRsCalvin/MorenoorMarshall/Foster

I don't think you understood my post, or I really don't get your post.I don;t want Rodgers to be paired with Bradshaw. Or Rivers and Rice. I would take the QB with a comparably available WR. I'm simply not taking a Rb that high because, IMO, it is so easy to find top 5-10 guys on a year to year basis. Talent is least important at the RB position, IMO. Longevity and stability are at the WR and QB spots, and that's what I want in my dynasty.I would way rather have the Calvin/Moreno combo. However, I wouldn't be drafting Moreno, because he probably goes in the 2nd or 3rd...

 

[Concept Coop]

I don't think you understood my post, or I really don't get your post.I don;t want Rodgers to be paired with Bradshaw. Or Rivers and Rice. I would take the QB with a comparably available WR. I'm simply not taking a Rb that high because, IMO, it is so easy to find top 5-10 guys on a year to year basis. Talent is least important at the RB position, IMO. Longevity and stability are at the WR and QB spots, and that's what I want in my dynasty.I would way rather have the Calvin/Moreno combo. However, I wouldn't be drafting Moreno, because he probably goes in the 2nd or 3rd...

I see what you are saying. My examples were poor. My point is that the difference between a 1st round RB and 3rd round RB is a lot greater than even the best QB and a 3rd round QB.So your theory could work. But if the guys getting the top RBs, still land Romo in the 5th, Marshall in the 3rd, and Vernon Davis in the 4th, you are at a big disadvantage. They have a core throughout their roster; you are trying to hit the jackpot and shuffling RBs, using mid-first rounders. If you have the best QB/WRs, you are not drafting top RBs - you are drafting RBs going in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the NFL draft.

 

[Concept Coop]

A better example:

Team A or Team B? (12 team, PPR)

A:

1. Adrian Peterson

2. Matt Forte

3. Sidney Rice

4. Jason Witten

5. Wes Welker

6. Tom Brady

B.

1. Hakeem Nicks

2. Aaron Rodgers

3. Vincent Jackson

4. Vernon Davis

5. CJ Spiller

6. LeGarrette Blount

There are two guys you wouldn't want starting on a start two, PPR league: Blount, Spiller - the RBs drafted late. At that point in the draft, however, there are WRs, QBs, and TEs worth starting, still on the board. It is value and the reason you shouldn't wait on RBs. Just my opinion.

 

[Instinctive]

I don't think you understood my post, or I really don't get your post.

I don't want Rodgers to be paired with Bradshaw. Or Rivers and Rice. I would take the QB with a comparably available WR. I'm simply not taking a Rb that high because, IMO, it is so easy to find top 5-10 guys on a year to year basis. Talent is least important at the RB position, IMO. Longevity and stability are at the WR and QB spots, and that's what I want in my dynasty.

I would way rather have the Calvin/Moreno combo. However, I wouldn't be drafting Moreno, because he probably goes in the 2nd or 3rd...

I see what you are saying. My examples were poor. My point is that the difference between a 1st round RB and 3rd round RB is a lot greater than even the best QB and a 3rd round QB.So your theory could work. But if the guys getting the top RBs, still land Romo in the 5th, Marshall in the 3rd, and Vernon Davis in the 4th, you are at a big disadvantage. They have a core throughout their roster; you are trying to hit the jackpot and shuffling RBs, using mid-first rounders. If you have the best QB/WRs, you are not drafting top RBs - you are drafting RBs going in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the NFL draft.

This is where we disagree - thus the difference in strategy. In a startup, I can probably get Gore, Turner, maybe DWill all in the 3rd or later if I wanted. They are going to be just as good to me as getting a top guy in the first round for a year or two. And by the time that year or two is up, I will have replaced them. Why? Because I won't need to replace a core of Rodgers/River plus Calvin/Fitz/Andre/Nicks/Dez/Wallace/TB Mike/Austin/Roddy/Desean/Britt/Rice - I think I have a shot at easily getting the QB and 2 of those wideouts, and maybe even three of them. I'm sure also that I am missing a couple guys in my quick list.I would rather have Rivers-Nicks-Dez (think that's possible, if not let me know) than any 2 RBs and then 1 WR.

RB is the single position with the most change in rankings year to year. More change in who finishes in the top 5. Shorter careers. More WW wonders, historically. More injuries. I just think that I would rather build my team around guys who are harder to replace and last longer.

For instance, last year, I built a team of Rivers-Roddy-Sidney Rice-Dez Bryant-Crabtree, drafting late with Rodgers gone as well as Calvin, AJ, Fitz. What's funny is that I also managed to get this core in a league where I took over for a terrible team 2 or 3 years ago. Also, I could have had Nicks where Rice was, and imagine that core now!

RB for that team is Beanie Wells. (Again a guy I have on the other team too. That's eerie.) And then not much. Hardesty, Bernard Scott, Spiller, Blount and Starks round out my RBs. I started Blount quite a bit, and Starks could be a nice find as could Scott.

And I should be able to add a strong RB in the rookie draft.

 

[Instinctive]

A better example:Team A or Team B? (12 team, PPR)A:1. Adrian Peterson2. Matt Forte3. Sidney Rice4. Jason Witten5. Wes Welker6. Tom BradyB.1. Hakeem Nicks2. Aaron Rodgers3. Vincent Jackson4. Vernon Davis5. CJ Spiller6. LeGarrette BlountThere are two guys you wouldn't want starting on a start two, PPR league: Blount, Spiller - the RBs drafted late. At that point in the draft, however, there are WRs, QBs, and TEs worth starting, still on the board. It is value and the reason you shouldn't wait on RBs. Just my opinion.

I would rather have the second team though. I think that while it may not be successful year one, I can make it successful in year two at the latest and also sustain that success. No way in hell is Tom Brady there in the 6th either, IMO. That's a bit off And I would take Dez over VJax. Assuming Dez is there. I'm high on him.

 

[thriftyrocker]

A better example:Team A or Team B? (12 team, PPR)A:1. Adrian Peterson2. Matt Forte3. Sidney Rice4. Jason Witten5. Wes Welker6. Tom BradyB.1. Hakeem Nicks2. Aaron Rodgers3. Vincent Jackson4. Vernon Davis5. CJ Spiller6. LeGarrette BlountThere are two guys you wouldn't want starting on a start two, PPR league: Blount, Spiller - the RBs drafted late. At that point in the draft, however, there are WRs, QBs, and TEs worth starting, still on the board. It is value and the reason you shouldn't wait on RBs. Just my opinion.

I'd take team B. I'm assuming Pierre, Addai, Choice, Benson, Fred Jackson, MBush, LawFirm, Ivory, and a dozen other guys who are start-able are still on the board. Isn't the upside of someone like Choice a lot better than the startable but ultimately blech WR you'd get in that round? Those first 4 picks in team B are a core that could last 6 or 7 years.

 

[Concept Coop]

I would rather have Rivers-Nicks-Dez (think that's possible, if not let me know) than any 2 RBs and then 1 WR. RB is the single position with the most change in rankings year to year. More change in who finishes in the top 5. Shorter careers. More WW wonders, historically. More injuries. I just think that I would rather build my team around guys who are harder to replace and last longer.

I think this is an intersting conversation. Nicks, Dez, and Rivers is doable.Lets say you did that:1. Nicks2. Dez3. RiversAnd I went:1. McCoy2. Mendenhall3. S. RiceWhen the 4th round comes around, assuming you are looking for RBs and I am looking for WRs, I am looking at guys like Britt, Maclin, Welker, Collie while you are sifting through D. Williams, Blount, P. Thomas and so on. I just think I have more value to pick from. When the 5th comes around and I look for a QB, I still have Brady and Romo on the board. You are looking at P. Thomas(again), R. Grant, J. Starks. I am picking from mid/top level starters. You are looking at guys that should be on the bench for a good team.

 

[Concept Coop]

I'd take team B. I'm assuming Pierre, Addai, Choice, Benson, Fred Jackson, MBush, LawFirm, Ivory, and a dozen other guys who are start-able are still on the board. Isn't the upside of someone like Choice a lot better than the startable but ultimately blech WR you'd get in that round? Those first 4 picks in team B are a core that could last 6 or 7 years.

Team B could be the winner, 3 years out, minimum. In the meantime, it is not close. In PPR, if you are starting that grab bag and I am playing Forte/Peterson, you have no shot.If it is age you are concerned about, change Peterson with McCoy and Welker with Collie. Swap Brady with Colston and draft Ryan/Manning, who could score as much as a top QB, playing matchups.

 

[Concept Coop]

I would rather have the second team though. I think that while it may not be successful year one, I can make it successful in year two at the latest and also sustain that success. No way in hell is Tom Brady there in the 6th either, IMO. That's a bit off And I would take Dez over VJax. Assuming Dez is there. I'm high on him.

Brady went 6th/7th in my two startups. Dez went 1.14 and 2.01. Maybe it is preference. I couldn't finish a startup not feeling like I don't have a chance to win it all. That doesn't mean that is right; just my personality. I especially can't give up 2+ years.

 

[Tau837]

I don't think you understood my post, or I really don't get your post.I don;t want Rodgers to be paired with Bradshaw. Or Rivers and Rice. I would take the QB with a comparably available WR. I'm simply not taking a Rb that high because, IMO, it is so easy to find top 5-10 guys on a year to year basis. Talent is least important at the RB position, IMO. Longevity and stability are at the WR and QB spots, and that's what I want in my dynasty.I would way rather have the Calvin/Moreno combo. However, I wouldn't be drafting Moreno, because he probably goes in the 2nd or 3rd...

I see what you are saying. My examples were poor. My point is that the difference between a 1st round RB and 3rd round RB is a lot greater than even the best QB and a 3rd round QB.So your theory could work. But if the guys getting the top RBs, still land Romo in the 5th, Marshall in the 3rd, and Vernon Davis in the 4th, you are at a big disadvantage. They have a core throughout their roster; you are trying to hit the jackpot and shuffling RBs, using mid-first rounders. If you have the best QB/WRs, you are not drafting top RBs - you are drafting RBs going in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the NFL draft.

I agree with Instinctive. I was in a startup last year and didn't take my first RB until the 5th. IMO I had the best team coming out of the draft, though I was hit hard by injuries to multiple starters and got bounced early in the playoffs. I drafted McFadden, Bush, and Hillis late (among others), and I could have had Foster but waited a round too late. I was #1 in points by a sizable margin. More importantly, my team's core is great young QBs, WRs, and TE, which should have a lot more longevity than the RBs I could have taken earlier at those same draft spots.

 

[Concept Coop]

I agree with Instinctive. I was in a startup last year and didn't take my first RB until the 5th. IMO I had the best team coming out of the draft, though I was hit hard by injuries to multiple starters and got bounced early in the playoffs. I drafted McFadden, Bush, and Hillis late (among others), and I could have had Foster but waited a round too late. I was #1 in points by a sizable margin. More importantly, my team's core is great young QBs, WRs, and TE, which should have a lot more longevity than the RBs I could have taken earlier at those same draft spots.

I think drafting McFadden and Hillis is the equivalent of me drafting B.Lloyd, S. Johnson, and M. Wallace after going RB heavy. A bit of luck comes into play there. You just as easily could have drafted Pierre Thomas, Carnell Williams and Joseph Addai.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I'd take team B. I'm assuming Pierre, Addai, Choice, Benson, Fred Jackson, MBush, LawFirm, Ivory, and a dozen other guys who are start-able are still on the board. Isn't the upside of someone like Choice a lot better than the startable but ultimately blech WR you'd get in that round? Those first 4 picks in team B are a core that could last 6 or 7 years.

Team B could be the winner, 3 years out, minimum. In the meantime, it is not close. In PPR, if you are starting that grab bag and I am playing Forte/Peterson, you have no shot.

Much too hard and fast to be true. I won a league starting Danny Woodhead at RB2 multiple games. PPR. Start 2 RB 1 flex. Danny Woodhead. Multiple games. Grab bag is a legitimate strategy.

 

[Concept Coop]

Much too hard and fast to be true. I won a league starting Danny Woodhead at RB2 multiple games. PPR. Start 2 RB 1 flex. Danny Woodhead. Multiple games. Grab bag is a legitimate strategy.

Do you have the FBG value caltulator? Plug in 12 team, 1 PPR, Q/R/R/W/W/W/T/F and see where the top RBs rank next to the top WRs/QBs. We can take our opinions out of the matter pretty easily.

 

[Tau837]

A better example:Team A or Team B? (12 team, PPR)A:1. Adrian Peterson2. Matt Forte3. Sidney Rice4. Jason Witten5. Wes Welker6. Tom BradyB.1. Hakeem Nicks2. Aaron Rodgers3. Vincent Jackson4. Vernon Davis5. CJ Spiller6. LeGarrette BlountThere are two guys you wouldn't want starting on a start two, PPR league: Blount, Spiller - the RBs drafted late. At that point in the draft, however, there are WRs, QBs, and TEs worth starting, still on the board. It is value and the reason you shouldn't wait on RBs. Just my opinion.

I'd take Team B.

 

[Instinctive]

I would rather have Rivers-Nicks-Dez (think that's possible, if not let me know) than any 2 RBs and then 1 WR. RB is the single position with the most change in rankings year to year. More change in who finishes in the top 5. Shorter careers. More WW wonders, historically. More injuries. I just think that I would rather build my team around guys who are harder to replace and last longer.

I think this is an intersting conversation. Nicks, Dez, and Rivers is doable.Lets say you did that:1. Nicks2. Dez3. RiversAnd I went:1. McCoy2. Mendenhall3. S. RiceWhen the 4th round comes around, assuming you are looking for RBs and I am looking for WRs, I am looking at guys like Britt, Maclin, Welker, Collie while you are sifting through D. Williams, Blount, P. Thomas and so on. I just think I have more value to pick from. When the 5th comes around and I look for a QB, I still have Brady and Romo on the board. You are looking at P. Thomas(again), R. Grant, J. Starks. I am picking from mid/top level starters. You are looking at guys that should be on the bench for a good team.

I'm not planning on taking a RB here though. And RBs always break through. Last year, at this point, I could have waited a round and gotten Foster. I could have gotten McFadden around this time. Hillis off waivers or late late late in draft. You don't really see that at the WR position. Brandon Lloyd comparable to Hillis, and Steve Johnson broke out - but I would have drafted Steve Johnson. My leagues all had him rostered by last year, so I assume he would have been drafted too.I'm going to take another WR here. You can take Brady or Romo and get a pretty good QB. I can take maybe one of these guys (I haven't done an actual startup this year so I am tossing out 4th round-ish guys I would expect):Marques ColstonSantonio HolmesMichael CrabtreeJacoby Ford - well I bet he's available later actually, so I doubt I take himBrandon MarshallI really have no idea who is there. Harvin, Maclin, Britt - all guys I would take there too, and before most of the guys I just listed.

I would rather have the second team though. I think that while it may not be successful year one, I can make it successful in year two at the latest and also sustain that success. No way in hell is Tom Brady there in the 6th either, IMO. That's a bit off And I would take Dez over VJax. Assuming Dez is there. I'm high on him.

Brady went 6th/7th in my two startups. Dez went 1.14 and 2.01. Maybe it is preference. I couldn't finish a startup not feeling like I don't have a chance to win it all. That doesn't mean that is right; just my personality. I especially can't give up 2+ years.

I think I do have the best chance to win. I trust in my ability to find WW and late round RBs that are at least serviceable with my advantages elsewhere, and at best they turn into a top 10 guy for the year. I don;t even need RBs to be top 10 or even top 20 for the year. I need to limp into the playoffs, and have a RB who scores very well weeks 14-16. Blount is a great example - he would be the perfect guy for this type of team drafted last year. AVailable late/on waivers, make the playoffs, he has a great week 14-16.Dynasty is about making the playoffs. The playoffs themselves are just a crapshoot. One big day from one guy means you advance sometimes. As long as my team has a top 3 QB and the best WRs, I'll make the playoffs. All I need then is the right RBs at the right time.

 

[Tau837]

I agree with Instinctive. I was in a startup last year and didn't take my first RB until the 5th. IMO I had the best team coming out of the draft, though I was hit hard by injuries to multiple starters and got bounced early in the playoffs. I drafted McFadden, Bush, and Hillis late (among others), and I could have had Foster but waited a round too late. I was #1 in points by a sizable margin. More importantly, my team's core is great young QBs, WRs, and TE, which should have a lot more longevity than the RBs I could have taken earlier at those same draft spots.

I think drafting McFadden and Hillis is the equivalent of me drafting B.Lloyd, S. Johnson, and M. Wallace after going RB heavy. A bit of luck comes into play there. You just as easily could have drafted Pierre Thomas, Carnell Williams and Joseph Addai.

I did draft Pierre Thomas. Yes, I agree I got a bit lucky. But I also pointed out that I blew a chance at Foster late. There are RBs to be had late. And I'd rather have guys like Calvin, Roddy White, and Nicks than guys like Lloyd, S. Johnson, and M. Wallace. Big difference IMO.Also, worst case, I missed on RBs year 1, had a great young QB, a great young WR corps, and improve at RB in year 2. There is more change at the top at RB year to year than at QB and WR. Elite QBs and WRs usually last longer than elite RBs.

 

[Concept Coop]

I'd take Team B.

How many years do you need to catch up to team B, assuming team A is just as capable of at drafting/WW?

 

[Tau837]

I'd take Team B.

How many years do you need to catch up to team B, assuming team A is just as capable of at drafting/WW?

No more than one. Worst case, it's as bad as you say in year one and you get a great rookie RB in year two that makes your RB situation a lot better immediately. In reality, I think I could draft a better team than the one you show anyway, if I went RB late, and I think that team would compete in the first year.