Drafting 9th out of 12 (1 Viewer)

[Chaka]

If your draft is soon you might see Henry at #9 but expect him to be going in the top 5 by the end of August.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

(although mine is a 10-teamer)

 

[1huskerfan]

I was in this boat last year in the inaugural draft of a Pure Dynasty league. I was pissed when Lamont Jordan went at 1.08. That didn't turn out all that bad. I took Edge at 1.09. I moved back from 2.04 to 2.09 and picked up an extra pick in the 5th. My RB's wound up being Edge, Addai, Kevin Jones, and Gore. I was laughed at for taking Gore in the 6th. This was a start 1 QB, 1RB, 1WR, 1TE and 3 flex so many weeks I started all 4 of those RB's.....

To make a long story short, the 1.9 pick sucks. But when guys were taking Maroney and DWill in the first and second round I was getting steals like Addai in the 4th and Gore in the 6th. In order to be effective with that pick, you need to find some gems in the mid rounds.

I actually am liking the 9 pick this year, at least better than 4-8. In my 10 team redraft, non-PPR, LT2, SJax, LJ, Gore, Addai, Manning, Alexander will go top 7. Right now, I am posturing hard on Rudi, hoping FWP will fall to me.

 

[GMarck]

Keeper (1), non-PPR league, serpentine

In the 3rd is it worth going for a Brady/Brees/Bulger type Qb and then targeting a Colston, Lee Evans type WR? Even a Caddy-type RB3.

There are value QBs a few rounds later - Romo, Hasslebeck, etc. but I like the Brees/Brady/Bulger QB if they are there - but it seems to me that the WR options after that 3rd tier of WRs holds a lot of questions.

I'll be interested to read an article on the 9th/10th draft pick strategy when (if) it comes out.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'll be interested to read an article on the 9th/10th draft pick strategy when (if) it comes out.



After really looking at things I have to ask one question....

Why picking from this spot would you take RB#9 and then come back and take RB#13 or #14 @ 2.04 when you can take WR#1 or #2. If you let that WR slip even further what you are doing is letting the guys who drafted RB# 1-5 also get WR#1-4 which gives them a really solid CORE to their team. I think the WR#1 or #2 is going to end up a lot more solid than a RB#13 or RB#14 (there is a reason they are ranked where they are)

 

[joey]

I'll be interested to read an article on the 9th/10th draft pick strategy when (if) it comes out.



After really looking at things I have to ask one question....

Why picking from this spot would you take RB#9 and then come back and take RB#13 or #14 @ 2.04 when you can take WR#1 or #2. If you let that WR slip even further what you are doing is letting the guys who drafted RB# 1-5 also get WR#1-4 which gives them a really solid CORE to their team. I think the WR#1 or #2 is going to end up a lot more solid than a RB#13 or RB#14 (there is a reason they are ranked where they are)

I think I've convinced my main work league (old school league that's been goingfor 15 years) to use the 3rd Round Full Reversal (reverse the rest of the draft from

round 3 on). In this case, I'd still rather go RB/RB and then one of the top 6 or 7 WRs

will still be there for me at 3.04 (Smith,Chad,Holt,Harrison,Owens,Fitz,Wayne). If it

weren't 3RFR, I would still probably not go WR in the 2nd since I like the WR options

in the 3rd and 4th rounds so much (Driver, Evans, Housh, Colston, Walker).

I would personally feel more comfortable with Rudi/Edge/Housh/Evans than

Rudi/SSmith/Jacobs/Evans.

 

[GMarck]

I agree with you. I think there are more WRs that are close as as productive, but fewer RBs that will be. Last year I had teh #2 in a one of my drafts and ended up with Alexander/Chad Johnson/Terrell Owens - which is a little skewed due to the Alexander injury, but the WRs were up and down game to game. I think the RB/RB can fortify the center of your lineup more than a RB/#1 WR. Additionally that RB2 in the 3rd round is going to end up being pretty weak, I think...

I like the idea of the draft reversal. I will have to propose it to the other owners.

Typically I always wait for a QB until after the 6th round. And draft 2 or 3 and play match-ups. But I am wondering if this year it is better to draft one of the top 6 in the 3rd or 4th and avoid that situation. It is not something I typically do though.



After really looking at things I have to ask one question....

Why picking from this spot would you take RB#9 and then come back and take RB#13 or #14 @ 2.04 when you can take WR#1 or #2. If you let that WR slip even further what you are doing is letting the guys who drafted RB# 1-5 also get WR#1-4 which gives them a really solid CORE to their team. I think the WR#1 or #2 is going to end up a lot more solid than a RB#13 or RB#14 (there is a reason they are ranked where they are)

I think I've convinced my main work league (old school league that's been going

for 15 years) to use the 3rd Round Full Reversal (reverse the rest of the draft from

round 3 on). In this case, I'd still rather go RB/RB and then one of the top 6 or 7 WRs

will still be there for me at 3.04 (Smith,Chad,Holt,Harrison,Owens,Fitz,Wayne). If it

weren't 3RFR, I would still probably not go WR in the 2nd since I like the WR options

in the 3rd and 4th rounds so much (Driver, Evans, Housh, Colston, Walker).

I would personally feel more comfortable with Rudi/Edge/Housh/Evans than

Rudi/SSmith/Jacobs/Evans.

 

[ImTheScientist]

 

[ImTheScientist]

 

[ImTheScientist]

Any other ideas?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

In the non-PPR/IDP league that I'm currently drafting in, I took Henry at 1.09 and bypassed Portis at 2.04. What a bad mistake that was - I've been kicking myself ever since.

If you go Henry/Portis then there is a group of about 10 WRs that are great #1/#2 guys that you should be able to select two from to have a nice core of four players.

Since I went Henry/Steve Smith, I've been playing catch up in the RB position ever since.

 

[Rounders]

In the non-PPR/IDP league that I'm currently drafting in, I took Henry at 1.09 and bypassed Portis at 2.04. What a bad mistake that was - I've been kicking myself ever since.If you go Henry/Portis then there is a group of about 10 WRs that are great #1/#2 guys that you should be able to select two from to have a nice core of four players.Since I went Henry/Steve Smith, I've been playing catch up in the RB position ever since.

This is exactly what I have been thinking....I did a couple of mocks with taking a WR in round 2, and I think that you get killed trying to find RB2. I think that rounds 3 & 4 have some nice WR options there. I think that may be the best way to go from the 9 spot.

 

[ImTheScientist]

In the non-PPR/IDP league that I'm currently drafting in, I took Henry at 1.09 and bypassed Portis at 2.04. What a bad mistake that was - I've been kicking myself ever since.If you go Henry/Portis then there is a group of about 10 WRs that are great #1/#2 guys that you should be able to select two from to have a nice core of four players.Since I went Henry/Steve Smith, I've been playing catch up in the RB position ever since.

The Draft Dominator says going RB/RB is not were the best value is at. When I go RB/WR Im usually one of the best teams if not the best team (according to the DD). I guess a lot of it depends on the league you are in. My league drafts RB heavy (although scoring is basically FBG scoring). I tend to usually find RB tallent late where I struggle to find WR tallent year after year (could just be bad luck). This year if what I consider to be the best two RB's in the RB1-14 are not there I may just go WR and take a Steve Smith or Chad Johnson. The one player Im having the most trouble placing/picking the second round is MJD. I watch his highlights from last year and Im BLOWN away. Is MJD a risk at 2.04? Where would you place him amongst the current RB's being selected at 2.04 and where do you place Johnson and Smith among that group? I think there is a reason the RB's at 2.04 are available at 2.04 and that is because they all have question marks. If you go RB/WR/RB/WR or RB/WR/WR/RB I think you are drafting a team that if you do land a Top 15 RB with your 3.09 or later pick could now compete for a championship where if you are drafting RB/RB you are just playing it safe. Why let the teams picking in the top half of the draft get the best RB's and WR's The team wins championships not the best RB's, however the last couple of years may have cloulded all of our thinking (Tomlinson/Alexander). I highly doubt a RB will break the TD record again. In addition to that I think that the difference between RB10 and RB20 may only be 10 points. So why not take RB20 or even RB20 and RB22.

 

[ImTheScientist]

This years top 20:

1 LaDainian Tomlinson RB 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 Steven Jackson RB 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 Larry Johnson RB 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 Frank Gore RB 4 4 5 4 4 4 5 5 Joseph Addai RB 5 8 4 6 5 11 8 6 Shaun Alexander RB 6 7 6 5 6 5 4 7 Brian Westbrook RB 7 5 9 7 7 7 7 8 Willie Parker RB 8 6 12 8 8 8 9 9 Rudi Johnson RB 9 9 11 9 9 9 10 10 Reggie Bush RB 10 11 7 11 10 17 12 11 Laurence Maroney RB 11 15 10 10 12 12 14 13 Travis Henry RB 12 10 18 12 11 16 11 16 Willis McGahee RB 13 23 17 13 14 21 13 17 Maurice Jones-Drew RB 14 21 15 18 19 22 20 18 Ronnie Brown RB 15 27 14 17 17 25 15 22 Clinton Portis RB 16 16 22 25 21 27 22 24 Edgerrin James RB 17 26 31 19 25 32 21 26 Cedric Benson RB 18 29 27 23 29 26 23 28 Thomas Jones RB 19 31 32 27 23 36 28 39 Deuce McAllister RB 20 40 43 26 44 33 33

Last Years: (Picked before or at 2.04 last year, in my league...yes I realise that eveyones is different)

1 [b]LaDainian Tomlinson [/b]SD 27 6 348 1815 28 56 508 3 427 266 2 [b]Larry Johnson[/b] KC 27 4 416 1789 17 41 410 2 334 173 3 [b]Steven Jackson [/b]STL 23 3 346 1528 13 90 806 3 329 168 4 Frank Gore SF 23 2 312 1695 8 61 485 1 272 111 5 Willie Parker PIT 26 3 337 1494 13 31 222 3 268 107 6 Brian Westbrook PHI 27 5 240 1217 7 77 699 4 258 97 7 [b]Tiki Barber [/b]NYG 31 10 327 1662 5 58 465 0 243 82 8 Maurice Jones-Drew JAX 21 1 166 941 13 46 436 2 228 67 9 [b]Rudi Johnson [/b]CIN 27 5 341 1309 12 23 124 0 215 54 10 Ladell Betts WAS 27 5 245 1154 4 53 445 1 190 29 11 Joseph Addai IND 23 1 226 1081 7 40 325 1 189 28 12 Chester Taylor MIN 27 5 303 1216 6 42 288 0 186 25 13 Deuce McAllister NO 28 6 244 1057 10 30 198 0 186 25 14 Marion Barber III DAL 23 2 135 654 14 23 196 2 181 20 15 Ahman Green GB 29 9 266 1059 5 46 373 1 179 18 16 Jamal Lewis BAL 27 7 314 1132 9 18 115 0 179 18 17 [b]Reggie Bush[/b] NO 21 1 155 565 6 88 742 2 178 17 18 Fred Taylor JAX 30 9 231 1146 5 23 242 1 175 14 19 Corey Dillon NE 32 10 199 812 13 15 147 0 174 13 20 [b]Edgerrin James [/b]ARI 28 8 337 1159 6 38 217 0 174 13

So why take the RB Plunge at 2.04? Why not pick 2 Rb's somewhere at 3.09-5.09 or even three from 3.09 to 6.04 .... seems like you would have a better chance of getting a Top 15 guy. With RB14 (probably taking at 2.04) are you even certain you are getting at Top 15 guy?

 

[Rounders]

Interesting thoughts Scientist, however I think this year a lot more RBBC that means there are a lot of ??? in those RBs available in rounds 3-6. To me I see some nice value in WRs in rounds 3 and 4, so I'm comfortable taking 2 RBs to start my draft.

My real problem starts in round 5 and continues to round 8. I'm truly stuck there.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Here's why I'd go RB/RB. In rounds 3 & 4, you're going to get two WRs that should get awfully close and potentially even surpass the guys you're taking in the 1st/2nd round.

Here's who I think you pick two from in rounds 3 &4 (I've seen this in about 3 mocks and 2 real drafts so far):

Javon Walker

Roy Williams

Anquan Boldin

Donald Driver

T.J. Houshmandzadeh

Lee Evans

Andre Johnson

Randy Moss

Marques Colston

I'd rather pick two from that list than try and dig for gold in a set that size looking for a RB2.

 

[Verbal Kint]

I'm drafting 9th as well. we start 2rbs, 2wrs, 1te & a flex. with that setup, I think RB-RB-WR-RB-WR is the way to go. If I can start FWP, Portis, Evans, Lynch, Braylon Edwards or Calvin Johnson I'd be pretty happy.

 

[Rounders]

Here's why I'd go RB/RB. In rounds 3 & 4, you're going to get two WRs that should get awfully close and potentially even surpass the guys you're taking in the 1st/2nd round. Here's who I think you pick two from in rounds 3 &4 (I've seen this in about 3 mocks and 2 real drafts so far):Javon WalkerRoy WilliamsAnquan BoldinDonald DriverT.J. HoushmandzadehLee EvansAndre JohnsonRandy MossMarques ColstonI'd rather pick two from that list than try and dig for gold in a set that size looking for a RB2.

"I'm wit you" in my best Vinny (My Blue Heaven) impersonation.

 

[Norwood...Wide Right!]

The argument on how to draft best early can be made either way (RB/RB versus RB/WR) as there appears to be potential value at both WR and RB in rounds 3-6. Of couse, where the value lies depends a lot on one's personal rankings. But how do peoples' views change in a PPR league?

For instance, a Reggie Bush becomes immediately more valuable in a PPR environment, as do some of the top flight receivers if you see some decent VBD separation between the 1A and the 1B/2nd tier WRs.

I still think combining any two of Bush/Henry/Portis/Maroney/McGahee/SA/FWP (not likely to be there) in a PPR league w/ the likes of Walker, Roy Williams, Driver, Housh, Evans and Boldin likely available at 3.08 and 4.04 gives anyone a pretty solid start. Yes, you are passing on CJ, Smith, Marvin, Wayne, Holt and TO, but based on my early observations there seems to be less risk going RB/RB/WR/WR than RB/WR/RB/WR this year.

Thoughts?

 

[Meat]

The argument on how to draft best early can be made either way (RB/RB versus RB/WR) as there appears to be potential value at both WR and RB in rounds 3-6. Of couse, where the value lies depends a lot on one's personal rankings. But how do peoples' views change in a PPR league?

For instance, a Reggie Bush becomes immediately more valuable in a PPR environment, as do some of the top flight receivers if you see some decent VBD separation between the 1A and the 1B/2nd tier WRs.

I still think combining any two of Bush/Henry/Portis/Maroney/McGahee/SA/FWP (not likely to be there) in a PPR league w/ the likes of Walker, Roy Williams, Driver, Housh, Evans and Boldin likely available at 3.08 and 4.04 gives anyone a pretty solid start. Yes, you are passing on CJ, Smith, Marvin, Wayne, Holt and TO, but based on my early observations there seems to be less risk going RB/RB/WR/WR than RB/WR/RB/WR this year.

Thoughts?

I actually have the same 'dilemma'. My league's settings are some-what off key, where we get to keep 1 player from last year we drafted in the 6th round or later, and sacrifice that pick this year. It's made for some great keepers for some, but it has certainly made draft projections much more difficult, as there are some teams automatically starting with someone along the lines of MJD for a 15th round pick, Addai for a 7th, etc. Here's what i've mocked so far from the 9 hole (fyi this is a *14 team* league, 1 PPR across the board, 6pts ALL TDs)1.9 - Parker

2.06 - (one of) Portis/Rudi/Ronnie Brown

3.09 - (one of) Plaxico/Randy Moss

4.06 - Hines Ward

5.09 - Darrell Jackson/Bernard Berrian

6.06 - (couple ways to go here, 3rd RB, 4th WR, or fill out starting lineup) - Alge Crumpler

7.09 - (again, same as 6th, Best available, or fill out lineup) just for purposes of mock, going with N.E. D.

So going RB-RB-WR-WR-WR from the 9th spot, with Romo as my keeper (15th rounder) I'd have:

QB - Romo

RB1 - Parker

RB2 - Portis

WR1 - Plaxico

WR2 - Ward

WR3 - D.Jax

TE - Alge

DEF - N.E.

Going RB-WR-RB-WR-WR, here's what I ended up with: (going off FBG rankings)

1.9 - Westy/Parker/Bush

2.06 - Wayne/Walker/Evans/Boldin

3.09 - Benson/TJones/Green/Caddy/A.P.

4.06 - Ward/Cotchery/Moss

5.09 - Jackson/Berrian/Glenn/Hackett

6.06 - (Best Player Available)

7.09 - (Best Player Available)

So, going this route I'd have:

QB - Romo

RB1 -Parker (say, 'best' chance of getting him realistically)

RB2 - Benson

WR1- Ward

WR2- D.Jax(if you want to roll the dice)

WR3-Best WR available

TE - Best TE available, etc.

It's more on the feel of how your actual draft goes IMO...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Interesting thoughts Scientist, however I think this year a lot more RBBC that means there are a lot of ??? in those RBs available in rounds 3-6. To me I see some nice value in WRs in rounds 3 and 4, so I'm comfortable taking 2 RBs to start my draft. My real problem starts in round 5 and continues to round 8. I'm truly stuck there.

If you start three WRs, I think the guys you target in rounds 5-7 are Calvin Johnson, Reggie Brown, Jerricho Cotchery, and Santonio Holmes.

 

[joey]

I'm in agreement with the RB/RB/WR/WR strategy because I too like the WR values in the 3rd and 4th round.

The question for me is more about when to take a QB at that slot.

If I take Kitna in the 5th, then I probably miss out on a solid RB3 like Norwood/Ahman/Peterson/JLewis.

I can probably take an RB in the 5th and get Romo/Young/Rivers in the 6th.

Or go Kitna in the 5th (no penatly for INTs in my leagues) and grab FTaylor or LJordan in the 6th.

OR wait until the 7th round and grab Roethlisberger or Cutler, both of which are usually there.

I might also go against my normal drafting style and grab Chi or Balt DST in the 7th. That means

I won't get my WR3 (start 3 WRs in my leagues) until the 8th or 9th (might go RB in the 8th too as

the talent keeps falling off faster at RB than WR). But I've found that my WR3 is usually a waiver

wire guy by the time week 4 rolls around so I don't mind waiting on picking a couple of upside guys

to fight for my WR3 or grab an undervalued older WR like Bruce or Kennison to hold the fort until

one of the upside WRs plays his way into my WR3 slot. (that was one tough paragraph to read. sorry)

so that either:

1) RB/RB/WR/WR/Kitna/RB/DEF/RB/WR

or

2) RB/RB/WR/WR/RB/QB/DEF/RB/WR

Obviously, if value falls, I'll grab it but looking at ADP right now, those are the strategies that seem

to pop out as "best" to me.

 

[Norwood...Wide Right!]

I'm in agreement with the RB/RB/WR/WR strategy because I too like the WR values in the 3rd and 4th round.The question for me is more about when to take a QB at that slot.If I take Kitna in the 5th, then I probably miss out on a solid RB3 like Norwood/Ahman/Peterson/JLewis.I can probably take an RB in the 5th and get Romo/Young/Rivers in the 6th.Or go Kitna in the 5th (no penatly for INTs in my leagues) and grab FTaylor or LJordan in the 6th.OR wait until the 7th round and grab Roethlisberger or Cutler, both of which are usually there.I might also go against my normal drafting style and grab Chi or Balt DST in the 7th. That meansI won't get my WR3 (start 3 WRs in my leagues) until the 8th or 9th (might go RB in the 8th too asthe talent keeps falling off faster at RB than WR). But I've found that my WR3 is usually a waiverwire guy by the time week 4 rolls around.so that either:1) RB/RB/WR/WR/Kitna/RB/DEF/RB/WRor 2) RB/RB/WR/WR/RB/QB/DEF/RB/WRObviously, if value falls, I'll grab it but looking at ADP right now, those are the strategies that seemto pop out as "best" to me.

The good thing about the 5th and 6th picks is that they're close togther. If it's a close call, you can follow the picks of the teams drafting out of the 10-12 hole to try and gain insight into their needs. That way, maybe you can draft someone they're more likely to scoop up after your 5th selection and target a player more likely to fall to you at 6.04. Also, if you see a value play in selecting a QB late (like Brees last year), you can fill out your WRs and shore up your RBs knowing that your QB will likely be there somewhere in rounds 7-10. Don't forget, it's highly unlikely that teams will select their backup QB's early, so if, for instance, you're in a 12-team league, it might be advantageous to draft something like the 11th QB off the board if in your rankings there isn't too much of a value drop-off.

 

[Rounders]

I'm in agreement with the RB/RB/WR/WR strategy because I too like the WR values in the 3rd and 4th round.The question for me is more about when to take a QB at that slot.If I take Kitna in the 5th, then I probably miss out on a solid RB3 like Norwood/Ahman/Peterson/JLewis.I can probably take an RB in the 5th and get Romo/Young/Rivers in the 6th.Or go Kitna in the 5th (no penatly for INTs in my leagues) and grab FTaylor or LJordan in the 6th.OR wait until the 7th round and grab Roethlisberger or Cutler, both of which are usually there.I might also go against my normal drafting style and grab Chi or Balt DST in the 7th. That meansI won't get my WR3 (start 3 WRs in my leagues) until the 8th or 9th (might go RB in the 8th too asthe talent keeps falling off faster at RB than WR). But I've found that my WR3 is usually a waiverwire guy by the time week 4 rolls around so I don't mind waiting on picking a couple of upside guysto fight for my WR3 or grab an undervalued older WR like Bruce or Kennison to hold the fort untilone of the upside WRs plays his way into my WR3 slot. (that was one tough paragraph to read. sorry)so that either:1) RB/RB/WR/WR/Kitna/RB/DEF/RB/WRor 2) RB/RB/WR/WR/RB/QB/DEF/RB/WRObviously, if value falls, I'll grab it but looking at ADP right now, those are the strategies that seemto pop out as "best" to me.

For the QBs this is where I'm looking at my leagues history to help me out. Last year our QB2 went off the board at pick 6.7 (I took Brady). At that moment I had 3 RBs and 2 WRs, so the value was there. This year I realize that Palmer and Brady will go early, but I'm really thinking that I might be able to land one of the in round 5. If they are I'm grabbing one and not looking back.In 2005, 4 QBs were gone before round 5, so we will see which trend holds true.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

For the QBs this is where I'm looking at my leagues history to help me out. Last year our QB2 went off the board at pick 6.7 (I took Brady). At that moment I had 3 RBs and 2 WRs, so the value was there. This year I realize that Palmer and Brady will go early, but I'm really thinking that I might be able to land one of the in round 5. If they are I'm grabbing one and not looking back.In 2005, 4 QBs were gone before round 5, so we will see which trend holds true.

If only four QBs are gone before round 5, then you're golden as I think there's 5 Qbs in the top tier - Manning, Bulger, Palmer, Brady, Brees. In that order.If you don't get one of them in the 5th, I'd wait and look at Rivers, Romo, or Roethlisberger later.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

I'm in this boat as well and I've been struggling with this concept. My league is a start 2 RB, 3 WR no PPR league. The more I think about it though the more inclined I am to go WR in the 2nd. Here are 3 scenarios of where you could be after 6 picks-1 going RB/WR/WR with your top 3 picks, 1 going RB/WR/RB, and 1 going RB/RB/WR. I tried to be conservative with drafting guys after or at their ADP and I kept as many guys the same as possible for sake of comparison.

1.09 Henry Henry Henry

2.04 CJ CJ Portis/McGahee/MJD

3.09 J. Walker T. Jones J. Walker

4.04 Cadillac A. Johnson A. Johnson

5.09 Norwood Norwood Norwood

6.04 D. Branch D. Branch D. Branch

I usually like to have 3 RB and 3 WR through my first 6 picks unless a QB or TE jumps out at me so I did it this way. The results sorted by position are:

RB1-Henry RB1-Henry RB1-Henry

RB2-Cadillac RB2-T. Jones RB2-Portis/McGahee/MJD

RB3-Norwood RB3-Norwood RB3-Norwood

WR1-CJ WR1-CJ WR1-J. Walker

WR2-J. Walker WR2-A. Johnson WR2-A. Johnson

WR3-D. Branch WR3-D. Branch WR3-D. Branch

To me, option 3 looks like the worst option. You're not really going to have an advantage at any position in the league. With option 1 or 2, if you can get one of your RB2 and RB3 to be good, which isn't a stretch at all because you're still drafting quality guys, you will most likely have a dominant team.

Going RB/RB is a conservative route and it's the route I usually take but I'm not sure that's the way to go this year with the 9 pick. It will get you into the playoffs but I don't see how it's going to get you the best team in the league.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'm in this boat as well and I've been struggling with this concept. My league is a start 2 RB, 3 WR no PPR league. The more I think about it though the more inclined I am to go WR in the 2nd. Here are 3 scenarios of where you could be after 6 picks-1 going RB/WR/WR with your top 3 picks, 1 going RB/WR/RB, and 1 going RB/RB/WR. I tried to be conservative with drafting guys after or at their ADP and I kept as many guys the same as possible for sake of comparison.

1.09 Henry Henry Henry

2.04 CJ CJ Portis/McGahee/MJD

3.09 J. Walker T. Jones J. Walker

4.04 Cadillac A. Johnson A. Johnson

5.09 Norwood Norwood Norwood

6.04 D. Branch D. Branch D. Branch

I usually like to have 3 RB and 3 WR through my first 6 picks unless a QB or TE jumps out at me so I did it this way. The results sorted by position are:

RB1-Henry RB1-Henry RB1-Henry

RB2-Cadillac RB2-T. Jones RB2-Portis/McGahee/MJD

RB3-Norwood RB3-Norwood RB3-Norwood

WR1-CJ WR1-CJ WR1-J. Walker

WR2-J. Walker WR2-A. Johnson WR2-A. Johnson

WR3-D. Branch WR3-D. Branch WR3-D. Branch

To me, option 3 looks like the worst option. You're not really going to have an advantage at any position in the league. With option 1 or 2, if you can get one of your RB2 and RB3 to be good, which isn't a stretch at all because you're still drafting quality guys, you will most likely have a dominant team.

Going RB/RB is a conservative route and it's the route I usually take but I'm not sure that's the way to go this year with the 9 pick. It will get you into the playoffs but I don't see how it's going to get you the best team in the league.[/b]

Very My thoughts exactlyI like this group:

RB1-Henry			  RB2-Cadillac			RB3-Norwood				 WR1-CJ				   WR2-J. Walker		 WR3-D. Branch

 

[Sweet J]

 

[bigmiiiiike]

Everyone seems to think the value in rounds 3 and 4 is clearly at WR, and I agree. However, if the better pick at 2.04 is CJ or Steve Smith over whatever RB is there, then, unless you're in a league that forces you to only start 2 WR, GO RB-WR-WR-WR!!!

No one has suggested this yet, and it's the start that lands me the nicest lineup in the mocks I've done so far.

1.09 - Henry

2.04 - S. Smith

3.09 - Roy Williams

4.04 - Housh/Colston/Driver

5.09 - TATUM BELL

6.04 - Julius Jones/Fred Taylor

7.09 - Roethlisberger

I get warm and fuzzy inside thinking about a lineup like this in either a 2 RB, 2WR, 1 Flex, or 2 RB, 3 WR league. This is the type of team that wins you a championship. You'll have by far the best WR corps in your league, so you won't have to keep fishing later for guys like Bruce, Kennison, Glenn, etc. Spend your mid-late round picks on RBs that can outperform their ADP (Chester Taylor, Droughns, Betts, Turner, Buckhaulter, Pittman, Shipp, KJones, Foster). I think it's easier to find the diamond in the rough RB than WR, especially this year with all the RBBCs. So if the value says go, RB WR WR WR, then do it and don't look back (my league uses 3RR so I'm going to be getting Fitz or TO or Wayne instead of Roy Williams )

 

[dude]

ppr/flex Phenoms' Alpha 17 9th pick

Henry

Harrison

Colston

Moss

Tatum

B-more

Winslow

Leinart

 

[Chaz]

I pick 8th in a 12 teamer, all TDs worth 6. I am presently looking at taking Manning, then going WR-WR. From there, hopefully some starters are left like Lewis or McGahee. Honestly, I would even take a third WR in a row, depending on the value in round four.

If Manning dos not get to me, I will likely go RB-RB and be like everyone else.

 

[facook]

I understand the folks who are saying going RB-WR-WR-RB-RB is the higher-reward path to a championship. BUT, I picked 9 last year (and again this year) and last year taking CJ in the 2nd KILLED my team. I was left with absolute crap at RB in the 3rd/4th/5th rounds. I never had a decent RB2 all year...and after Portis was injured, I didn't have a decent RB1.

This year I was LEANING toward Henry/CJ/ROY/Lynch or AD and going on from there. But NOW, AD will be gone long before 3.9, and I'm wary of Lynch busting and leaving my in the same position I was in last year. SO...

now looking at Henry/McGahee/Fitzgerald or ROY/Housh/Fred Taylor as my start.

 

[s_ezy]

i think there is good value on RBs to be had in rounds 4,5,6 that you should just take the best player roudns 2 + 3, if thats a couple WRs, so be it

 

[bonesman]

I pick 8th in a 12 teamer, all TDs worth 6. I am presently looking at taking Manning, then going WR-WR. From there, hopefully some starters are left like Lewis or McGahee. Honestly, I would even take a third WR in a row, depending on the value in round four. If Manning dos not get to me, I will likely go RB-RB and be like everyone else.

Sooooo you're expecting McGahee to be around in the 4th round? Jammal Lewis will probably be there... but unless everyone else is going WR WR in 2/3 i suspect Willis will be taken in the mid 2nd somewhere.I've got the 9th pick and i'll likely be going RB RB... unless Manning falls (to 2.04 that is). None of the top 5 WRs really get me excited. It also seems to me that you'll have an easier time identifying the top 5 candidate of the WRs left in rounds 3 and 4 than the RBs.... like Driver last year. I got Bolden as the 2nd pick of the 4th round last year and he didn't really do much to impress i don't think (despite finishing a respectable 13th overall)... so you could probably get him later and hope he challenges for the top 8 or so.

 

[Lord Lucan]

Looking at this thread, I might be the only person who has gone WR/WR from the 9 slot. However, this is in a league where RBs get 0.5 per rec and WRs/TEs get 1pt per rec, start 2 RB and 3 WR, equal TD points for WR/RB. In my opinion, this makes WR/WR the way to go. I'll come back later and post what RBs (if any!) I got in the third and fourth. In this scoring system, I really like the depth of middle-ranking RBs at that position. If I end up with two of the top 25/26 Rbs, which I think I will, I think this strategy will have paid off for this particular league.

 

[Caesar]

Drafted 9 last night. Flex league where I can start 2-3RB, 3-4WR, and 1-2TE. This is what I came up with.

1.09 Rudi Johnson (little homerism,I admit)

2.04 Maurice Jones-Drew

3.09 Adrian Peterson

4.04 Anquan Boldin

5.09 Darrell Jackson

6.04 Deuce McCallister

7.09 Mark Clayton

For your information.. Willie Parker was there in the 1st, Henry went 6th overall, Bush went 2.03, Benson and Mcgahee went at 2.05, 2.06.

TEs were valued higher than most drafts I have done... Gates went 1.12. I ended up with Greg Olsen.. crossing fingers.

Don't ask me who my QBs are.. I am hoping QBBC works with this team.

 

[sentr]

 

[isiahcleaves]

Here's why I'd go RB/RB. In rounds 3 & 4, you're going to get two WRs that should get awfully close and potentially even surpass the guys you're taking in the 1st/2nd round. Here's who I think you pick two from in rounds 3 &4 (I've seen this in about 3 mocks and 2 real drafts so far):Javon WalkerRoy WilliamsAnquan BoldinDonald DriverT.J. HoushmandzadehLee EvansAndre JohnsonRandy MossMarques ColstonI'd rather pick two from that list than try and dig for gold in a set that size looking for a RB2.

I totally agree with this logic.I found out today that I have the 9th pick in a new league I'm joining. In the only real draft I've been involved with this year so far (back in June), I had the 9th pick too.12 team redraft with performance scoring (no ppr... but 6 points for all TD's). Start 1 qb, 2 rbs, 3 wrs, 1 te, 1 k, and 1 dOwners are all experienced ff players1.9 = Westbrook (8th RB drafted)2.4 = Jones-Drew (15th RB drafted)3.9 = Roy Williams (7th WR drafted)4.4 = Lee Evans (13th WR drafted)5.9 = Lynch (26th RB drafted)6.4 = Hasselbeck (11th QB drafted)7.9 = Cotchery (33rd WR drafted)8.4 = Fred Taylor (32nd RB drafted)9.9 = Eli Manning (16th QB drafted)10.4 = Jason Witten (9th TE drafted)11.9 = Reggie Williams (49th WR drafted)12.4 = Kellen Winslow (11th TE drafted)13.9 = Mike Furrey (58th WR drafted)14.4 = Dolphins D (8th D drafted)15.9 = Buckhalter (55th RB drafted)16.4 = Stover (12th K drafted)SoQB = Hasselbeck/EliRB = Westy/Jones-Drew/Lynch/Taylor/BuckhalterWR = Roy W/Evans/Cotchery/R. Williams/FurreyTE = Witten/WinslowK = StoverD = DolphinsI'm pretty happy overall with that team from the 9th slotRemember... this was back in June (hence... the Reggie Williams pick... who was dumped yesterday for James Jones of GB).

 

[ImTheScientist]

Here is what I ended up with from the 9th slot:

PFFL: 12 team league, Performance Based Scoring________________________________Suburban Rhythm, Drafted: 9th slotQB: Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Alex SmithRB: Laurence Maroney, Clinton Portis, Barber III, Deshaun FosterWR: Javon Walker, Lee Evans, Bernard Berrian, David BostonTE: Vernon Davis, Ben WatsonK:  Stephen GostkowskiTD: Cowboys, Packers

The only player I really feel I reached for was Vernon Davis, but I wanted him on my team this year so why not. Thanks for all the advice and help in this thread.

 

[Godsbrother]

I am picking 9th but my league is a little different because we allow the flex position to be a QB so QBs tend to fly off the board early. For that reason I'll likely take RB in the 1st round and QB in the 2nd. If I wait until the third then I will be looking at my #1 QB being Eli Manning, Favre, Losman, etc.

I can't do that to my team. I'll pick up the best RB in round 1 and then go with a quality QB in the 2nd then try to get my #2 RB in the 3rd.

 

[aerolaw]

I am picking 9th but my league is a little different because we allow the flex position to be a QB so QBs tend to fly off the board early. For that reason I'll likely take RB in the 1st round and QB in the 2nd. If I wait until the third then I will be looking at my #1 QB being Eli Manning, Favre, Losman, etc. I can't do that to my team. I'll pick up the best RB in round 1 and then go with a quality QB in the 2nd then try to get my #2 RB in the 3rd.

also drafted from 9 spot in very talented (imo) league, where qb can be flex also ,ppr, start qb 2rb 3wr, te, k, def bonus for long td: 1-fwp2-rudi-3-j walker4-l evans5-ADp!!6-v young7-s holmes8-cutler9-F taylor!etc.if s smith and c johnson are gone you will have an excellent chance at 2 of the 11 "full time" rb's and that should be your direction. you will get 2 excellent wr's in 3, 4, then you just see how it goes when to take the qb's. Dont underestimate how difficult that 2d rb spot can be to fill usefully, far more difficult than the 3d wr spot.

 

[bcr8f]

Drafting 9 out of 12 whats your stradegy? Who are you targeting 1.09 and 2.04? What have you found to be the best stradegy so far? Show teams if you have drafted from this slot.

Just took Westbrook and Maroney in a .5 PPR league. Palmer round 3 and Javon Walker round 4.

 

[Lord Lucan]

Looking at this thread, I might be the only person who has gone WR/WR from the 9 slot. However, this is in a league where RBs get 0.5 per rec and WRs/TEs get 1pt per rec, start 2 RB and 3 WR, equal TD points for WR/RB. In my opinion, this makes WR/WR the way to go. I'll come back later and post what RBs (if any!) I got in the third and fourth. In this scoring system, I really like the depth of middle-ranking RBs at that position. If I end up with two of the top 25/26 Rbs, which I think I will, I think this strategy will have paid off for this particular league.

In case anyone is interested, the update on how this has worked out for me so far is...well, on the face of it not too well. I took Steve Smith and Reggie Wayne at 1.09 and 2.04 and was hoping someone in the Benson/James/McGahee/Peterson range might fall to me as my RB1 in the 3rd, with maybe Ahman Green as RB2 in the 4th. The DD suggested there was a good chance this might happen, but it didn't, as RBs continued to fly off the board, with two teams taking RBs with their first three picks despite the scoring system being weighted towards WRs. Thus I was left with Ahman Green and Brandon Jacobs as my starting RBs at 3.09 and 4.04. I am still not convinced I am out of it yet, but as things turned out, if I had gone RB/RB I would probably have had a squad so far of Bush, Rudi, Boldin and Calvin Johnson. However, the DD suggests I should still score 933 pts in this scoring system with the first four picks I have as opposed to 926 with the Bush/Rudi/Boldin/Calvin combo I would have had had I gone RB/RB with my first two picks. My actual four picks don't look so good on papaer as those four, but in this scoring system they might not be so bad. WR/WR might not be a compleltely disastrous idea providing your league scoring is similar to the above. But one lesson I have learned, or been reminded of, is that the DD cannot legislate for your rival owners drafting "wrongly"; if too many RBs fly off the board, the value that the DD tells you will lie with RBs come rounds 3/4 (for instance) might have transferred to WRs, which is no use if you already have two and the drop-off rate for RBs value is about to go into freefall.

 

[kremenull]

Drafting 9 out of 12 whats your stradegy? Who are you targeting 1.09 and 2.04? What have you found to be the best stradegy so far? Show teams if you have drafted from this slot.

I just finished a draft for a 14 Rd, 12-team, non-ppr, 8 starter (1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 flex (RB/WR), DEF, K) league, picking from the 9th slot. Another note: QB scoring - 1 pt per 25 yds and 4 pts per TD pass. Here is how my team ended up.1.09 - R.Bush RB2.04 - P.Manning QB3.09 - Gates TE4.04 - MB III RB5.09 - H.Ward WR6.04 - B.Edwards WR7.09 - Cowboys DEF8.04 - B.Jackson RB9.09 - K.Curtis WR10.04 - L.Jordan RB11.09 - J.Horn WR12.04 - G.Olsen TE13.09 - J.Brown K14.04 - B.Marshall WRMy advice to you would be to get guys who put the ball in the endzone, and don't be afraid to take a RB who catches a lot of balls and may not be quite as valuable in non-ppr as in ppr, but I still believe guys like Bush have great value in comparison to the Rudi Js, T.Henrys, and Bensons of the world. In projecting total yds, I believe Bush will reach (or exceed) 1,700 yds from scrimmage this season, while the above-mentioned players are probably capped at 1,600 max. Total TDs projects to be pretty even, but my strategy is to go for the HomeRun when things are pretty even, and Bush gives me that feeling.

 

[stubby]

Just had a 12 team .5 PPR, start 1qb 2 rb 3 wr 1 te 1 k 1 def/st, money league draft tonite...here are my results from the #9 slot...

1.9 Bush

2.4 Steve Smith

3.9 Fitz

4.4 Portis

5.9 Colston

6.4 Norwood

7.9 Winslow, Jr.

8.4 Roethlisberger (cutler and manning went right after)

9.9 DeShaun Foster

10.4 New England ST/DEF

11.9 Ronald Curry

12.4 Vinatieri

(defenses and Kickers more premium in shorter, 15 round leagues)

13.9 Arnaz Battle

14.4 Leftwich (both Alex smith and JP Losman still available, but they both have same bye week as Roethlisberger)

15.9 JP Losman.....i said screw it, there wasn't value anywhere else, and this protects me if Roethy sucks a big one...i never intended to draft 3 qb's, though..i was just amazed that losman wasn't one of 24 QB's drafted before I picked him...

so, my roster is...

qb roethlisberger, leftwich, losman

rb bush, portis, norwood, foster

wr steve smith(car),fitz,colston, curry, battle

te winslow jr

k vinatieri

def/st New england

Pretty solid for a 12 teamer, especially if Portis remains semi healthy...even with him and bush sharing the same bye week...i can always drop battle to pick up a free agent, or a qb once week 6 is done

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Here is what I ended up with from the 9th slot:

PFFL: 12 team league, Performance Based Scoring________________________________Suburban Rhythm, Drafted: 9th slotQB: Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Alex SmithRB: Laurence Maroney, Clinton Portis, Barber III, Deshaun FosterWR: Javon Walker, Lee Evans, Bernard Berrian, David BostonTE: Vernon Davis, Ben WatsonK:  Stephen GostkowskiTD: Cowboys, Packers

The only player I really feel I reached for was Vernon Davis, but I wanted him on my team this year so why not. Thanks for all the advice and help in this thread.

So who was picked in which round?

 

[ImTheScientist]

1.09 Maroney

2.04 Portis

3.09 Walker

4.04 Evans

5.09 Barber III

6.04 V. Davis

7.09 Young

8.04 Foster

9.09 Leinart

10.04 Berrian

11.09 Watson

12.04 Alex Smith

13.09 Gostkowski

14.04 Cowboys D

15.09 Boston

16.04 Green Bay D

I felt I reached for a few picks.... Davis being one of them, although I like him a lot and he would not have made it back to me IMO. Overrall I am very pleased with all my picks and looking forward to the season.

 

[isiahcleaves]

Just had a 12 team .5 PPR, start 1qb 2 rb 3 wr 1 te 1 k 1 def/st, money league draft tonite...here are my results from the #9 slot...1.9 Bush2.4 Steve Smith3.9 Fitz4.4 Portis5.9 Colston6.4 Norwood7.9 Winslow, Jr.8.4 Roethlisberger (cutler and manning went right after)9.9 DeShaun Foster10.4 New England ST/DEF11.9 Ronald Curry12.4 Vinatieri(defenses and Kickers more premium in shorter, 15 round leagues)13.9 Arnaz Battle14.4 Leftwich (both Alex smith and JP Losman still available, but they both have same bye week as Roethlisberger)15.9 JP Losman.....i said screw it, there wasn't value anywhere else, and this protects me if Roethy sucks a big one...i never intended to draft 3 qb's, though..i was just amazed that losman wasn't one of 24 QB's drafted before I picked him...so, my roster is...qb roethlisberger, leftwich, losmanrb bush, portis, norwood, fosterwr steve smith(car),fitz,colston, curry, battlete winslow jrk vinatieridef/st New englandPretty solid for a 12 teamer, especially if Portis remains semi healthy...even with him and bush sharing the same bye week...i can always drop battle to pick up a free agent, or a qb once week 6 is done

Portis in the 4th round is insane.

 

[darmani]

I'm just finishing up a draft where I was in the 9 slot (PPR league). Not too bad of a team I think. The key for me in that spot is don't "target" anybody. Just roll with with the punches. There are certain players I don't want at all, but you're really at the mercy of what other people leave for you.

Westbrook, Brian PHI RB - 5 1.09

Smith, Steve CAR WR - 7 2.04

Johnson, Andre HOU WR - 10 3.09

James, Edgerrin ARI RB - 8 4.04

Green, Ahman HOU RB - 10 5.09

Shockey, Jeremy NYG TE - 9 6.04

Young, Vince TEN QB - 4 7.09

Chambers, Chris MIA WR - 9 8.04

Favre, Brett GBP QB - 7 9.09

Porter, Jerry OAK WR - 5 10.04

Dunn, Warrick ATL RB - 8 11.09

Gonzalez, Anthony IND WR - 6 12.04

Graham, Shayne CIN PK - 5 13.09

Packers, Green Bay GBP Def - 7 14.04

 

[elpasotexan]

1 PPR 6 pts all TDs, 1 QB 2RB 2WR 1 TE 1 K 1 D, bench=same as starting lineup plus one "wildcard" (17 total)otherwise standard:

1- Parker

2 MJD

3 Portis

4 Gates

5 Driver

6 Burress

7 Braylon

8 Cotchery

9 Big Ben

10 Fred Taylor

11 Favre

12 DEN D

13 Leon Washington

14 J Scobee

15 Tynes

16 Buff D

17 Shiancoe