LHUCKS
Footballguy
I really do think I have a shot at decent WR production...I'm going to outscore most teams at the flex positions.
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Drafting out of the 5 hole in FFPC/FBGPC Tonight (1 Viewer)
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
I think just one instead of MJD would have done the trick.in round 4 Bowe went right before me. In round 5 Desean Jackson did the same thing....just couldn't get any WR value in those rounds.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
You drafted the wrong type of WRs for PPR.
I think Hines Ward will be starting most of the year for you.
I think Hines Ward will be starting most of the year for you.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Classic trap - just because you like each pick doesn't mean you'll end up with a team you like. In an extreme case, if you got Vick, Brees and Rivers at value picks and liked them all, that team will still be a trainwreck because you failed to grab better options at other positions.Ideally this draft should have WR1 at the MJD spot and WR2 in the Benson spot - that'd be far more competitive. Good luck on the waiver wire - which is also a risky strategy given only 11 weeks of a schedule.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
yes/no Ward may get spot starts...I really like Alexander/Green/Berrian...I think there's a good chance two of those guys have big years.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I agree with you IF my sleeper WRs don't pan out. If they do pan out I may have played it just right.I must be the only guy that likes AJ Green this year.The MJD pick is my biggest regret.
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
MJD could be a value where you got him - but his 'cuff is pricey as you saw.After grabbing CJ2K and MJD at 1/2, I think you have to go WR at Pick 3 regardless of who's there. No way the Top 20 is exhausted by 3.05. RB/RB/WR/TE/QB/WR2 (still think that's better than Benson) would still be a strong start.To win big you have to hit HRs in Rounds 10+ but you can't bank on them - then you're dead. The other hole here is AJ Green AND Benson in your lineup most weeks? Two Bengals? Good luck with that against BAL and PIT 4x this year.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
yeah, Christ...9.7...that's way early
yeah, I would have rather gone WR in round 2 in hindsight, but yeah you're probably right...I didn't expect the WR run to continue the way it did. Britt in round 5..yikes.
Agreed. Seems like everybody was on board with the V. Davis/Rivers picks.
yeah, we'll see...I need breakouts from at least two of My WRs.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
yeah, I'm hoping the bengals QBs just lock onto Green...he's already a mismatch for pretty much every single DB so I think there's a chance he has a freakish rookie season. He's their most explosive weapon and they're going to be behind...a lot.
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Having done a few of these last year I think you did just fine. The key hole is obviously at WR as I agree with the other posters that you should try to get at least 1 stud WR and then you can take chances with the rest of your picks. You definitely have a shot though if you can find that Lloyd early (Id look close at who breaks out in STL if they arent already taken).
LHUCKS
Footballguy
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By the way in case anyone is curious I was in the very first draft and picked the following:
(1) Andre Johnson, WR
(2) Steven Jackson, RB
(3) Dwayne Bowe, WR
(4) LeGarrette Blount, RB
(5) Pettigrew, TE (Tight ends went very early in my draft)
(6) Tony Romo, QB
(7) Ryan Williams, RB
(8) Gronkowski, TE
(9) Jacoby FOrd, WR
(10) Hardesty, RB
(11) Jerome Simpson, WR
(12) Emmanuel Sanders, WR
(13) McGahee, RB
(14) Heath Miller, TE
(15) Fitzpatrick , QB
(16) Breaston, WR
(17) Baltimore D
(18) Janikowski, PK
(19) Avery, WR
(20) Berrian, WR
(1) Andre Johnson, WR
(2) Steven Jackson, RB
(3) Dwayne Bowe, WR
(4) LeGarrette Blount, RB
(5) Pettigrew, TE (Tight ends went very early in my draft)
(6) Tony Romo, QB
(7) Ryan Williams, RB
(8) Gronkowski, TE
(9) Jacoby FOrd, WR
(10) Hardesty, RB
(11) Jerome Simpson, WR
(12) Emmanuel Sanders, WR
(13) McGahee, RB
(14) Heath Miller, TE
(15) Fitzpatrick , QB
(16) Breaston, WR
(17) Baltimore D
(18) Janikowski, PK
(19) Avery, WR
(20) Berrian, WR
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Agreed. Just need a little WR magic to make this lineup potent.After going back and looking at the other rosters, I'm feeling a lot better about my team.Nobody is strong at every position...I think there are only a few teams that I would consider slightly better than mine.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Nice...you snagged Berrian in the last round too!!McNabb's first pass in 11 on 11 drills this morning...50 yard TD pass to Berrian...no joke.
Wish I could bring back my 3rd draft from last year. It ended up top 40 but couldnt quite get over the hump:
Team 3:
QB- Rodgers, Young
RB- Adrian Peterson, Charles, Jacobs, Jackson, Jennings
WR- Jennings, Harvin, Wallace, Mike williams- tb & sea, vincent jackson, naanee, moore
TE- Zach Miller- OAK, Scheffler, Branson
PK- Prater
D- 49ers
Team 3:
QB- Rodgers, Young
RB- Adrian Peterson, Charles, Jacobs, Jackson, Jennings
WR- Jennings, Harvin, Wallace, Mike williams- tb & sea, vincent jackson, naanee, moore
TE- Zach Miller- OAK, Scheffler, Branson
PK- Prater
D- 49ers
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
I put the odds of a 'freakish' rookie season (with Dalton back there as projected) at about 2%. It just ain't happening. Even if Gradkowski (with his unfamiliarity with the WRs) won't be much better. JMO I think it's Dalton or bust there.Might agree with you if they had an established veteran. And because they're behind a lot doesn't always mean solid numbers with a rookie behind center. Just means a lot of turnovers and low completion rate.It would be stunning IMO if Green ended with better #'s than Julio Jones this year.If you're going to have to own a Bengal receiver this year, best bet is Gresham (perhaps he gives TE12-15 #'s).
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Perhaps you should revisit your definition of "value."
pantherclub
Footballguy
No offense Lhucks but thats a horrible team. Why load up on roller coaster type running backs and forego WR's. Makes no sense. Your Davis pick was really high but I like the Rivers pick and where you got him. You are going get nothing from your WR's and thats going to be your downfall. I see CJ and MJD on crappy teams this year and Bradshaw is in a holding pattern for me.
Sorry man
This is what boggles my mind about guys that play fantasy year in and out. Throughout the course of the season there are tons of running backs that are not drafted that will be on starting playoff fantasy rosters at the end of the year. Its simply not that way with wideouts. Why not load up on good producing receivers and find rb's later? A la Mcfadden last year, Benson 2 years ago. The strategy of going rb-rb is prehistoric and ancient at best. Its a passing game now along with backfield by committee.
Sorry man
This is what boggles my mind about guys that play fantasy year in and out. Throughout the course of the season there are tons of running backs that are not drafted that will be on starting playoff fantasy rosters at the end of the year. Its simply not that way with wideouts. Why not load up on good producing receivers and find rb's later? A la Mcfadden last year, Benson 2 years ago. The strategy of going rb-rb is prehistoric and ancient at best. Its a passing game now along with backfield by committee.
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buck naked
Footballguy
Totally agree. You had a great start. Davis at 4.08 was a fantastic pick. Then you got greedy with the RB's. "Hogs get slaughtered" I think is the appropriate quote. You needed WR's desperately. While Rivers is a decent pick, QB's slide in these drafts.
I thought you were tearing it up and lapping the league until round 6. The Benson and Wells picks were throw away picks. Even if they pan out they'll never start in front of your othr RBs. At some point you just have to lock in your gains with CJ and MDJ and look elsewhere.Who was available at WR when you took Bradshaw?
cheese
Footballguy
Really good thread and thanks for addressing the questions about your thought process.
Was this your first draft this season?
If you liked Benson and Beanie so much and you knew that, you should have factored that in to your early strategy. Unlike others, I think Bradshaw was actually the pick where you made a mistake. You already had CJ/MJD at that point and you knew you were going to have a huge dropoff at WR before 4.8 came around. You also knew you had mid-round targets at RB that you really liked. You go WR without a 2nd thought there.
Thanks for listing the WR available at your later pick. Personally, I would've probably grabbed MSW there.
Overall, I think your team is pretty good, but limited upside due to WR. You probably would need something crazy to happen with Moss to really stand out here. Its obvious you focused on getting value rather than going in with a particular plan. Sometimes thats OK, but I think your team composition suffered in this case.
Was this your first draft this season?
If you liked Benson and Beanie so much and you knew that, you should have factored that in to your early strategy. Unlike others, I think Bradshaw was actually the pick where you made a mistake. You already had CJ/MJD at that point and you knew you were going to have a huge dropoff at WR before 4.8 came around. You also knew you had mid-round targets at RB that you really liked. You go WR without a 2nd thought there.
Thanks for listing the WR available at your later pick. Personally, I would've probably grabbed MSW there.
Overall, I think your team is pretty good, but limited upside due to WR. You probably would need something crazy to happen with Moss to really stand out here. Its obvious you focused on getting value rather than going in with a particular plan. Sometimes thats OK, but I think your team composition suffered in this case.
baconisgood
Footballguy
People have already harped on the lack of WR though its obvious I don't agree that the MJD pick is the problem- he is a guy who can put up top 5 RB #s- first its the Wells pick. You drafted a holdout, injury, and legal risk and then backed them up with a guy who hasn't been healthy in the NFL yet who also has competition for his job. the Bradford pick at 10 is really bad in a league without trades. You snagged a top 6 QB who has broken 4k yards and 28 TDs for 3 straight years and not missed a game in 5 years of starts and backed him up in the 10th with Bradford? What are the odds you start Bradford more than once this year? instead he will hold a roster spot for 5 weeks- which you need for any WR you can get trying to snag a breakout- and then cut him week 7.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
ok. First, props to LHUCKS for posting. I know it's all about you love the attention, but clearly this draft went off the rails for you and you still posted and kept it up. Even if it is all about you, its still a good post and adds value to the boards as it is about FF/drafting/value/etc
Second, your team does suck.
Third, If you are really committed to your view on your "sleeper" WR, which I think your crazy, props to you. It's all about winning, and I support anyone who goes with it. Being 4th means nothing - Your either in the money or your a loser.
Second, your team does suck.
Third, If you are really committed to your view on your "sleeper" WR, which I think your crazy, props to you. It's all about winning, and I support anyone who goes with it. Being 4th means nothing - Your either in the money or your a loser.
buck naked
Footballguy
Good point about Sam Bradford, baconisgood. That was a totally unnecessary pick when you should have been drafting a pack of WR's in the hopes one can emerge.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
yep, if you can't trade, drafting THAT many RB's and a backup QB that early is a bit poor imo.
Would have really liked the solid picks of Moore/SMoss when you took Benson, and especially Wells.
Would have really liked the solid picks of Moore/SMoss when you took Benson, and especially Wells.
Runningman
Footballguy
The bad picks were Bradshaw and Benson. Solid WRs there and the team could be competitve. Now not so much.'LHUCKS said:
Instinctive
Footballguy
1. Where did Tebow go? Cam Newton? McNabb? I would have just drafted a really late backup QB.
2. I think Benson is the worst pick. I believe that's the list of available wideouts you posted above? I probably take Santana Moss or Johnny Knox there.
3. I love the Wells pick. People can harp on it, but he's very similar to DeAngelo in that a highly touted rookie RB might mean nothing this year, and he's like McFadden in that this time last year DMC picks had the exact same response as Wells pick - former first bust, injury risk, ya-da ya-da ya-da.
You have sparked some interest in Berrian - he is gonna be a great late round flier with McNabb in Minny and Rice gone. Who else is gonna be a deep threat?
2. I think Benson is the worst pick. I believe that's the list of available wideouts you posted above? I probably take Santana Moss or Johnny Knox there.
3. I love the Wells pick. People can harp on it, but he's very similar to DeAngelo in that a highly touted rookie RB might mean nothing this year, and he's like McFadden in that this time last year DMC picks had the exact same response as Wells pick - former first bust, injury risk, ya-da ya-da ya-da.
You have sparked some interest in Berrian - he is gonna be a great late round flier with McNabb in Minny and Rice gone. Who else is gonna be a deep threat?
butcher boy
Footballguy
Classic mistake of getting caught up in value too much to the point where you forget to fill your needs at starters in other positions. I agree that Benson was a bad pick there.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You were doing a really nice job, but I question what receivers you passed up in order to take your RB4 (who averaged 3.5 ypc last year).'LHUCKS said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Have a nice season guy.'LHUCKS said:
joffer
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Draft "value" can be over-rated sometimes. The points earned by your starting line-up is what determines the league winner. I think Benson and Wells were luxury picks that you just couldn't afford to make - unless this league allows trading (I'm not sure if it does or not).Good luck, if your WRs do pan out (and there's always a chance that they do), you will be tough to beat. If not (which is what I suspect), you could be in some trouble - especially if MJD's knee is as bad as has been reported.'LHUCKS said:
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Only thing I disagree with is the Cedric B pick (especially if he is riding the pine in week 1). I know the dropoff in WR is bad, but there had to be one "safe" pick.The ability to start 4 RB may work out to your advantage - there will also be a team that is lacking RB and way too strong at WR. People think the season is won by the draft, when in reality, people tend to forget how far good team management/trading can take you.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
I don't think trading is allowed in this contest; it usually isn't in these types of things (to prevent collusion). Which means taking depth before filling out starters is even less worthwhile than usual. It's just going to sit on the bench until one of your starters gets hurt or you cut them for something better.I would also dispute the claim that it's always "cheaper and easier" to find a productive WR than a productive RB on the waiver wire. I doubt LHUCKS could prove such a claim, he's just hoping that's the case.Obviously no one knows how everything will pan out, but at this point you have to consider it a fairly big mistake to wait so long on WRs.
I really think you have a solid team, but one of the Benson or Well's picks (where you are drafting a guaranteed backup) should have invariably been a WR. Either that or the MJD pick where you could have likely gotten one of the very good WR's. In PPR Flex positions that are filled by RB can be great but not nearly as great as they are in non-PPR, so I really would have focused more on WR early for that reason. But to be honest if a few of your WR's hit you will probably be right in the mix since you are clearly solid at the other positions and will invariably be given an opportunity to trade one of those RB's if you see the need to do so. All in all, does not seem terrible. I would have done it differently but can completely understand why you did what you did from a value perspective.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
No.
Oh, I see what you mean. Never mind that one then. It really makes no sense to draft all of those RB's up front if trading is not allowed.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
If BMW can be a solid PPR contributor, you will contend easily. I would start BMW and Hines Ward every day. Do not even think about starting AJ Green until you see what he does the first 3 or 4 weeks. Rookie WRs rarely set the stage on fire in the 1st month, and in a work stoppage year, the odds are even less. You DO NOT want to be out of the contention in the 1st month so play it safe at WR. BMW and Hines Ward can get you 4 catches 40 yards on an avg every week with a TD sprinkled in here and there. That is good enough with your team to stay in contention.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Thats not even remotely close to being true. At all. Wide Receivers pick ups are way more difficult then starting running backs to produce. Injuries occur to running backs at a drastically higher rate.'LHUCKS said:
The ability to start 4 RB may work out to your advantage - there will also be a team that is lacking RB and way too strong at WR. People think the season is won by the draft, when in reality, people tend to forget how far good team management/trading can take you.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
What TE's were available when you took Benson/Wells?
dagwood
Footballguy
You missed his point. To find the next Arian Foster on the waiver wire REQUIRES you to wait for an injury; Brandon Lloyd was undrafted in a lot of leagues last year (and in prior years the likes of Colsten, M.Austin, Welker were undrafted in a lot of leagues the year that they had their breakout). So there will be one or more receivers on the waiver wire week 1 who end up having productive or very productive seasons.Good luck LHucks!Thats not even remotely close to being true. At all. Wide Receivers pick ups are way more difficult then starting running backs to produce. Injuries occur to running backs at a drastically higher rate.'LHUCKS said:
The ability to start 4 RB may work out to your advantage - there will also be a team that is lacking RB and way too strong at WR. People think the season is won by the draft, when in reality, people tend to forget how far good team management/trading can take you.
sihaokills
Footballguy
That's ####
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I don't think people are hearing me...there was nothing available at WR after round 5 that was worth any more than the WRs I drafted(according to my projections.)
Benson was a bad pick, but I should have drafted TE instead of Benson, not WR.
I drafted 8 WRs, 5 of which I believe have pretty good upside. A lot of people are overlooking that fact.
Benson was a bad pick, but I should have drafted TE instead of Benson, not WR.
I drafted 8 WRs, 5 of which I believe have pretty good upside. A lot of people are overlooking that fact.
pantherclub
Footballguy
If you would have drafted a wr instead of MJD or Bradshaw and again at Benson and/or wells then you would be in a lot better situation. As it stands now you are banking on "upside" and playing catchup with the wideout position. I do love your Rivers pick though.I will say again, running backs are a dime a dozen from about week 7 on. WR are not.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
okay, that's interesting to me given this format, I would have thought the opposite.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
You pissed away some $ IMO
LHUCKS
Footballguy
this is a good question...Benson was the best VBD pick for over a full round per my projections.Winslow was the next TE who went almost a full round later.
