Drew Brees Thread (1 Viewer)

[Statorama]

Brees has every right to his opinion and people have every right to criticize him and call him out as they see fit. 

But I do think people, mainly the media, are in to big of a rush right now to stomp out and criticize any opinion that not go along with the current popular narrative.  I think a little more talking and discussion would go a lot longer for helping the country move forward then this overwhelming rush to pile on.

As an example Vic Fangio.  Vic said he did not see racism in the NFL and everyone ripped him apart and the main thing they ripped him over was citing the numbers of players vs coaches/FO people of color as an example of racism in the NFL. Vic is a guy who had to toil over 30 years as an assistant in the league, and a very good one, before he could land a head coaching job. Is it not natural that he may not be so quick to see white privilege with respect to head coach and minority hiring?  In his experience, I'm sure he really believes some of the other stuff he said that got glossed over like if society reflected an NFL team we'd all be great. I certainly support right of people to say they don't agree with Vic, but I did not think what he said merited him being ripped and I also failed to see any modern era players or coaches who ripped Vic actually provide an example of racism they suffered in the NFL other then again citing head coaching hiring numbers. Like Brees, he had to issue an apology but to me that's just not the right way to go about this. But to me a discussion why Brees or Vic felt this way,  which let's be honest is a way that a lot of white people continue to feel, would be a lot healthier way for us to all move forward and start treating each other with more respect then the crushing piling on of a different viewpoint followed by need for some PR type apology. That's just stifling honest discussion and sweeping the problem under the rug.

Really good posting.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm not trying to bullying you. You don't know what you don't know. It's very hard for people to be honest with themselves even in their own thoughts because it's painful when they're wrong. Maybe it spoke to you and didn't feel good. Maybe you're not racist at all. I have no idea. 

You have no right to insinuate anything about me and certainly no right to tell me what I don't know, or how I should be honest with myself and my thoughts.  Who the hell do you think you are?

 

[Milkman]

You have no right to insinuate anything about me and certainly no right to tell me what I don't know, or how I should be honest with myself and my thoughts.  Who the hell do you think you are?

I didn't personally call you anything. I simply suggested it happens to lots of people and lots of people say these things. The fact you are getting so angry about that suggestion might have it's own meaning though. 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I didn't personally call you anything. I simply suggested it happens to lots of people and lots of people say these things. The fact you are getting so angry about that suggestion might have it's own meaning though. 

you have conveniently dogged my questions....

 

[JohnnyU]

I didn't personally call you anything. I simply suggested it happens to lots of people and lots of people say these things. The fact you are getting so angry about that suggestion might have it's own meaning though. 

I'm sick of the left trying to tell me how to think and when I don't agree with them they try to punish by insinuating racism  You can try and deflect all you want, but we can read into what you're doing.  That's why I said, "who the hell do you think you are?".

 

[Milkman]

you have conveniently dogged my questions....

The same response applies to you. You guys are getting awfully defensive and angry. 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The same response applies to you. You guys are getting awfully defensive and angry. 

where did I get defensive or angry....I just asked you questions...and you kept including things in my comments that I never said...

 

[bigmarc27]

I think a lot of people that honestly feel they aren't racist are in fact racist. Another problem is if things don't actually happen to them personally they have a hard time relating or empathizing with the issue. 

Someone that says "hey do it at halftime when I'm getting a drink with everybody else" doesn't exactly care if anybody hears it. 

Police brutality is happening but my football is super important to me. 

But dude, they have like two friends that are black...  they’re the good kind though. 

 

[travdogg]

Unsurprisingly this thread is devolving into exactly what I was saying earlier that worries me about the current climate/culture. One differing opinion leading to assumptions that all opinions are differing, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. All that does is alienate everybody. 

I think(hope) everybody agrees George Floyd shouldn't have been killed. I think everybody agrees that the police can be overeager to use violence in situations that don't call for it, I think everyone agrees Black lives are just as important as any others. 

The problem is that both sides seem to take an unnecessary(and illogical) leap into making one of those 3 things not the case, if they disagree on anything else, its thrown back in nonsensical ways. I've seen people say things like if you are upset about rioting and property damage, than it means you don't value that human life properly. On the flip side, I've seen people talk about BLM as if they are trying to say that only Black lives matter, as if its a competition. Both those points are silly, and I highly doubt there is a single person who feels that way, but those are the types of silly conclusions that are being jumped to by people, if there is even any small disagreement. 

So people dig in their heels, and overreact on both sides, and what ultimately happens is people either get fed up, or agree to disagree, and nothing gets accomplished or fixed. And that is probably the best case scenario, the worst case is that it takes a small division and divides it much further, because there is no real conversation to be had through the hyperbole. I think it also alienates people who maybe don't have strong political feelings either way, because they just see this kind of bickering and understandably react, "Why should I care?" 

I like Drew Brees, I think he's a great player, and a great person. Its unfortunate this has happened, but it doesn't change his standing in my eyes at all. That doesn't mean I don't support BLM, it doesn't mean I feel players should be required to kneel, it doesn't mean I think cops should get away with using deadly or excessive force. It just means I like Drew Brees. 

 

[Milkman]

I'm sick of the left trying to tell me how to think and when I don't agree with them they try to punish by insinuating racism  You can try and deflect all you want, but we can read into what you're doing.  That's why I said, "who the hell do you think you are?".

The truth doesn't care how we feel JohnnyU. Srry

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Unsurprisingly this thread is devolving into exactly what I was saying earlier that worries me about the current climate/culture. One differing opinion leading to assumptions that all opinions are differing, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. All that does is alienate everybody. 

I think(hope) everybody agrees George Floyd shouldn't have been killed. I think everybody agrees that the police can be overeager to use violence in situations that don't call for it, I think everyone agrees Black lives are just as important as any others. 

The problem is that both sides seem to take an unnecessary(and illogical) leap into making one of those 3 things not the case, if they disagree on anything else, its thrown back in nonsensical ways. I've seen people say things like if you are upset about rioting and property damage, than it means you don't value that human life properly. On the flip side, I've seen people talk about BLM as if they are trying to say that only Black lives matter, as if its a competition. Both those points are silly, and I highly doubt there is a single person who feels that way, but those are the types of silly conclusions that are being jumped to by people, if there is even any small disagreement. 

So people dig in their heels, and overreact on both sides, and what ultimately happens is people either get fed up, or agree to disagree, and nothing gets accomplished or fixed. And that is probably the best case scenario, the worst case is that it takes a small division and divides it much further, because there is no real conversation to be had through the hyperbole. I think it also alienates people who maybe don't have strong political feelings either way, because they just see this kind of bickering and understandably react, "Why should I care?" 

I like Drew Brees, I think he's a great player, and a great person. Its unfortunate this has happened, but it doesn't change his standing in my eyes at all. That doesn't mean I don't support BLM, it doesn't mean I feel players should be required to kneel, it doesn't mean I think cops should get away with using deadly or excessive force. It just means I like Drew Brees. 

Milkman thinks it does....

 

[JohnnyU]

The truth doesn't care how we feel JohnnyU. Srry

Your truth isn't necessarily my truth.   Your statement, "I think a lot of people that honestly feel they aren't racist are in fact racist. Another problem is if things don't actually happen to them personally they have a hard time relating or empathizing with the issue.".   Who are you to make that judgement about "a lot of people"? 

 

[Terpman22]

I'm sick of the left trying to tell me how to think and when I don't agree with them they try to punish by insinuating racism  You can try and deflect all you want, but we can read into what you're doing.  That's why I said, "who the hell do you think you are?".

The issue though really to me is, what is the "right" doing about this issue other than saying stuff like:

You're overreacting.

We just had a black president.

It's been 400 years.

I work hard why can't you.

Just follow the law.

Just listen to the office.

What happened before the video started.

Find any clip on the internet on any topic on Foxnews - look how they cover the same exact topic different ways.

I just found one today showing Lara Ingraham basically to Lebron "shut up and dribble" and last night about Brees "He has his right to an opinion"

The consistency and constant goal post moving annoys people. Trust me. I am an Eagles fan that grew up with Dallas Cowboys fans all in the family. Oddly, their tactics in football arguments are eerily similar to the same tactics "the right" uses when talking about race relations in this country. 

Even more oddly (to me at least, although I am not a religions person) Is that same sect of people are the ones so quick to invoke God/Religion/Jesus to support/defend their Non-Jesus-Like ways. 

 

[smbkrypt24]

The issue though really to me is, what is the "right" doing about this issue other than saying stuff like:

You're overreacting.

We just had a black president.

It's been 400 years.

I work hard why can't you.

Just follow the law.

Just listen to the office.

What happened before the video started.

Find any clip on the internet on any topic on Foxnews - look how they cover the same exact topic different ways.

I just found one today showing Lara Ingraham basically to Lebron "shut up and dribble" and last night about Brees "He has his right to an opinion"

The consistency and constant goal post moving annoys people. Trust me. I am an Eagles fan that grew up with Dallas Cowboys fans all in the family. Oddly, their tactics in football arguments are eerily similar to the same tactics "the right" uses when talking about race relations in this country. 

Even more oddly (to me at least, although I am not a religions person) Is that same sect of people are the ones so quick to invoke God/Religion/Jesus to support/defend their Non-Jesus-Like ways. 

I am not sure what non Jesus like means to you or what you meant, but Christians realize they aren't perfect and are not trying to be Jesus.  I won't get too much into religion here, but that comment seems not well informed.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Unsurprisingly this thread is devolving into exactly what I was saying earlier that worries me about the current climate/culture. One differing opinion leading to assumptions that all opinions are differing, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. All that does is alienate everybody. 

I think(hope) everybody agrees George Floyd shouldn't have been killed. I think everybody agrees that the police can be overeager to use violence in situations that don't call for it, I think everyone agrees Black lives are just as important as any others. 

The problem is that both sides seem to take an unnecessary(and illogical) leap into making one of those 3 things not the case, if they disagree on anything else, its thrown back in nonsensical ways. I've seen people say things like if you are upset about rioting and property damage, than it means you don't value that human life properly. On the flip side, I've seen people talk about BLM as if they are trying to say that only Black lives matter, as if its a competition. Both those points are silly, and I highly doubt there is a single person who feels that way, but those are the types of silly conclusions that are being jumped to by people, if there is even any small disagreement. 

So people dig in their heels, and overreact on both sides, and what ultimately happens is people either get fed up, or agree to disagree, and nothing gets accomplished or fixed. And that is probably the best case scenario, the worst case is that it takes a small division and divides it much further, because there is no real conversation to be had through the hyperbole. I think it also alienates people who maybe don't have strong political feelings either way, because they just see this kind of bickering and understandably react, "Why should I care?" 

I like Drew Brees, I think he's a great player, and a great person. Its unfortunate this has happened, but it doesn't change his standing in my eyes at all. That doesn't mean I don't support BLM, it doesn't mean I feel players should be required to kneel, it doesn't mean I think cops should get away with using deadly or excessive force. It just means I like Drew Brees. 

Maybe everyone in this thread agrees to the bolded section, but obviously not everyone in America agrees with that. Otherwise, that stuff wouldn't continue to happen.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Your truth isn't necessarily my truth.   Your statement, "I think a lot of people that honestly feel they aren't racist are in fact racist. Another problem is if things don't actually happen to them personally they have a hard time relating or empathizing with the issue.".   Who are you to make that judgement about "a lot of people"? 

I didn't see that as an attack on you. I think it is a general statement that people have a hard time relating or empathizing with someone/something if they don't see it or it hasn't happened to them personally. That's a common human error.

 

[JohnnyU]

I didn't see that as an attack on you. I think it is a general statement that people have a hard time relating or empathizing with someone/something if they don't see it or it hasn't happened to them personally. That's a common human error.

I think it is a stupid statement. ""I think a lot of people that honestly feel they aren't racist are in fact racist.".

 

[Terpman22]

I am not sure what non Jesus like means to you or what you meant, but Christians realize they aren't perfect and are not trying to be Jesus.  I won't get too much into religion here, but that comment seems not well informed.

I'm talking about the ones that use the religion as some excuse for example:

"My bible gives me the right to hate/disrespect _______ group" 

I have no problem with good people, whether they are of faith or not. 

 

[IHEARTFF]

I think it is a stupid statement. ""I think a lot of people that honestly feel they aren't racist are in fact racist.".

I'll let him unpack that statement himself.

I do think there has been a lack of awareness of white privilege in this country, which isn't the same as what he said.

 

[Milkman]

Your truth isn't necessarily my truth.   Your statement, "I think a lot of people that honestly feel they aren't racist are in fact racist. Another problem is if things don't actually happen to them personally they have a hard time relating or empathizing with the issue.".   Who are you to make that judgement about "a lot of people"? 

Yeah when I said that it was kind of a peace offering of sorts. Good people sometimes don't realize they are in fact racist and it's super hard for anybody to work on themselves. 

Your truth or my truth is not the point. One truth is actually the truth and that truth whichever one it is is not going away. That's the point. 

 

[JohnnyU]

Yeah when I said that it was kind of a peace offering of sorts. Good people sometimes don't realize they are in fact racist and it's super hard for anybody to work on themselves. 

Your truth or my truth is not the point. One truth is actually the truth and that truth whichever one it is is not going away. That's the point. 

I believe most people who truly believe they aren't racist, are indeed not racist.  Saying what you said is just more of the leftist   trying to impose their belief system on others.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Your truth isn't necessarily my truth.   Your statement, "I think a lot of people that honestly feel they aren't racist are in fact racist. Another problem is if things don't actually happen to them personally they have a hard time relating or empathizing with the issue.".   Who are you to make that judgement about "a lot of people"? 

It’s simply a way to get you off the point and into line. Nothing more. It’s happening in this thread already. How many people touched that Chicago comment you made a few pages ago besides me? It’s 2020 where emotion > facts

 

[Statorama]

"We need to have a conversation"

"Well, I think it's disrespectful to kneel during the anthem and...."

"RAAAAAAAAAAAACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"I apologize"

Conversation over.

Drew's comments were a teachable moment.  MT could have reached out to Drew and talked through it.  Heck, if MT had reached out to Drew weeks ago he could have maybe had Drew use his high-profile platform to talk about the things that need to change.  The shouting down of the thoughts and feelings of one side of the conversation doesn't enable a viable exchange of ideas.

 

[bigmarc27]

Yeah when I said that it was kind of a peace offering of sorts. Good people sometimes don't realize they are in fact racist and it's super hard for anybody to work on themselves. 

Your truth or my truth is not the point. One truth is actually the truth and that truth whichever one it is is not going away. That's the point. 

I’ll unpack this a bit from my own experience. I’m a white dude.  I never had an issue with other races, but I was also never faced with anything. First job out of college I share an office with a black girl and we become good friends (she recently passed from sickle cell). Anyway, we’d go to lunch and hang out and stuff. Just general random things I never thought I would notice happening that I never thought of before. Seeing looks, seeing cars with rebel flag stickers rev their engine at her at the light before cutting her off, hearing things like “you speak well.”  It was really a life changing type of experience seeing these things happen constantly from very tiny jabs up to very outward shows of racism. Things I had never experienced before and honestly wouldn’t believe was a thing unless I saw it with my own eyes, just because the people I was usually with would never do something like that. 
 

I married an Egyptian woman. In the past decade, I can’t count how many ####### comments I’ve heard from “what are you mixed with” all the way to “your people are terrorist (she’s Coptic Christian fwiw and has never even been to Egypt).  I’ve heard her called a Sand...  you know. 
 

It’s been awhile since this world opened to me, but there’s still quite a few still in the bubble. Juts because you don’t see it, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. 

 

[JohnnyU]

I'll let him unpack that statement himself.

I do think there has been a lack of awareness of white privilege in this country, which isn't the same as what he said.

I may be off on the percentages today, but not too long ago the statistics said black couples make up about 8% of the poverty level and single white mothers make up 22% of the poverty level.  Where is the white privilege?  Lack of fathers in the black communities is the biggest factor in poverty for blacks, not white privilege.  In 2014-18, the share of families headed by single parents was 75% among African American.  That is a BIG problem.

ETA:  That rate for single white mothers is now 30% living in poverty.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I didn't see that as an attack on you. I think it is a general statement that people have a hard time relating or empathizing with someone/something if they don't see it or it hasn't happened to them personally. That's a common human error.

It’s not an error. It’s normal. Over 7,000 people die every single day on average. That’s a lot of relating to or empathizing. Enough to drive you nuts and that’s just death. It’s just not possible to be that invested. 

As mentioned a few pages ago. Chicago’s crime is basically a curse word now. It’s brushed off with ease in favor of anything else.  Why?

Youre not told to care about them. 

 

[bigmarc27]

I may be off on the percentages today, but not too long ago the statistics said black couples make up about 8% of the poverty level and single white mothers make up 22% of the poverty level.  Where is the white privilege?  Lack of fathers in the black communities is the biggest factor in poverty for blacks, not white privilege.

You’re treating “white privilege” like a curse word. Just because you don’t believe it, doesn’t make it not real. Just accept that we’ve had things pretty good. You’ve got to sit around and make 20k posts about fantasy football, I don’t think you understand what most people live like.  I don’t either for that matter, I fully admit that. I know enough to know that I’ve had it easier because of my complexion. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

You’re treating “white privilege” like a curse word. Just because you don’t believe it, doesn’t make it not real. Just accept that we’ve had things pretty good. You’ve got to sit around and make 20k posts about fantasy football, I don’t think you understand what most people live like.  I don’t either for that matter, I fully admit that. I know enough to know that I’ve had it easier because of my complexion. 

Get them to fear something they can’t prove 

Those Dems are some crafty MFers man 

 

[Doug B]

Alvin Kamara
@A_kamara6

I’ve had a day to digest the comments that Drew made. I was disappointed and hurt. We talked and i explained to him where he dropped the ball and he understood. But now it’s time for us to be part of the solution, not the problem. We have to educate to progress.

2:18 PM · Jun 4, 2020

 

[Doug B]

Drew's comments were a teachable moment.  MT could have reached out to Drew and talked through it.  Heck, if MT had reached out to Drew weeks ago he could have maybe had Drew use his high-profile platform to talk about the things that need to change.  The shouting down of the thoughts and feelings of one side of the conversation doesn't enable a viable exchange of ideas.

Brees and his teammates, internally, appear to be working on it.

 

[IHEARTFF]

It’s not an error. It’s normal. Over 7,000 people die every single day on average. That’s a lot of relating to or empathizing. Enough to drive you nuts and that’s just death. It’s just not possible to be that invested. 

As mentioned a few pages ago. Chicago’s crime is basically a curse word now. It’s brushed off with ease in favor of anything else.  Why?

Youre not told to care about them. 

That's fine to call it normal. I don't disagree.

What is the relevance to this topic of the Chicago crime issue?

 

[Statorama]

Brees and his teammates, internally, appear to be working on it.

It would also be great to have Coach P involved too.  

It has to be easy for a guy like Drew to think of himself as an ordinary guy.  He has a job, a family, bills to pay...ordinary stuff.  I can imagine he forgets from time to time how much weight is given to what he says.

 

[IHEARTFF]

I may be off on the percentages today, but not too long ago the statistics said black couples make up about 8% of the poverty level and single white mothers make up 22% of the poverty level.  Where is the white privilege?  Lack of fathers in the black communities is the biggest factor in poverty for blacks, not white privilege.  In 2014-18, the share of families headed by single parents was 75% among African American.  That is a BIG problem.

ETA:  That rate for single white mothers is now 30% living in poverty.

It's a much bigger problem than just poverty.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

its kinda like we now have to prove we are not racist......but even then it's not good enough....like I could say I am married to a black woman, we have kids, and we have adopted some other black kids and I love them all and realize the struggle every day, and I love the flag and NA and frown upon people kneeling when the colors are presented and the NA plays.........but then I would be told thats not good enough because I probably only married her and adopted the kids to hide my racism....and I lie about realizing the struggle....all they would focus on is the flag and the NA part of my life.....and that makes me racist......and I am I also being told I didn't even know it....

 

[bigmarc27]

its kinda like we now have to prove we are not racist......but even then it's not good enough....like I could say I am married to a black woman, we have kids, and we have adopted some other black kids and I love them all and realize the struggle every day, and I love the flag and NA and frown upon people kneeling when the colors are presented and the NA plays.........but then I would be told thats not good enough because I probably only married her and adopted the kids to hide my racism....and I lie about realizing the struggle....all they would focus on is the flag and the NA part of my life.....and that makes me racist......and I am I also being told I didn't even know it....

Let’s start with learning how to use an ellipsis, then we’ll move on to social issues.........

 

[Doug B]

Brees and his teammates, internally, appear to be working on it.

It would also be great to have Coach P involved too.  

It has to be easy for a guy like Drew to think of himself as an ordinary guy.  He has a job, a family, bills to pay...ordinary stuff.  I can imagine he forgets from time to time how much weight is given to what he says.

Coach Payton is involved. A lot is being kept in-house, so it could be a while before anyone from the team addresses this with print or broadcast media. Probably will keep getting drips and drabs from players' Twitter accounts, though.

 

[Statorama]

Coach Payton is involved. A lot is being kept in-house, so it could be a while before anyone from the team addresses this with print or broadcast media. Probably will keep getting drips and drabs from players' Twitter accounts, though.

That's really cool.  Thanks for relaying the local flavor on this.

 

[IHEARTFF]

its kinda like we now have to prove we are not racist......but even then it's not good enough....like I could say I am married to a black woman, we have kids, and we have adopted some other black kids and I love them all and realize the struggle every day, and I love the flag and NA and frown upon people kneeling when the colors are presented and the NA plays.........but then I would be told thats not good enough because I probably only married her and adopted the kids to hide my racism....and I lie about realizing the struggle....all they would focus on is the flag and the NA part of my life.....and that makes me racist......and I am I also being told I didn't even know it....

Not being racist shouldn't be an issue if you're not racist.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Let’s start with learning how to use and ellipses, then we’ll move on to social issues.........

my bad bigmarc....didn't mean to bother you.....please put me on ignore

 

[Bigboy10182000]

That's fine to call it normal. I don't disagree.

What is the relevance to this topic of the Chicago crime issue?

Just the overall hypocrisy of all they we’re seeing now. Thousands and thousands of black lives taken before Floyd. Thousands and thousands after. How many will get BLM protests? Trends on Twitter? 24 hour news coverage? Thousands of peaceful protest? We know the answer. Now why? People wanted to “move forward but only with my criteria” while ignoring massive death all over simply because they’re not told to care. 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Not being racist shouldn't be an issue if you're not racist.

agreed....but even if you aren't....some still think you are....just the way it goes I guess..

 

[JohnnyU]

Not being racist shouldn't be an issue if you're not racist.

I agree, but when someone says a lot of people think they are not racist, but are, I am insulted by that.  Just anther mindset of the left, forcing their beliefs down our throats and daring us to disagree.......or else......

 

[Doug B]

Coach Payton is involved. A lot is being kept in-house, so it could be a while before anyone from the team addresses this with print or broadcast media. Probably will keep getting drips and drabs from players' Twitter accounts, though.

That's really cool.  Thanks for relaying the local flavor on this.

A little levity from Payton's Twitter, prompted by a humor account poking fun at the team's response to Brees yesterday evening:

Shooter McGavin @ShooterMcGavin_ · 22h

BREAKING: Saints players inform Drew Brees they want to have an emergency meeting with him on the 9th green at 9 tonight.

Sean Payton @SeanPayton · 19h

Complete B.S. meeting scheduled 2 weeks ago. Get your story straight!

 

[IHEARTFF]

Just the overall hypocrisy of all they we’re seeing now. Thousands and thousands of black lives taken before Floyd. Thousands and thousands after. How many will get BLM protests? Trends on Twitter? 24 hour news coverage? Thousands of peaceful protest? We know the answer. Now why? People wanted to “move forward but only with my criteria” while ignoring massive death all over simply because they’re not told to care. 

A lot of the coverage and protests are talking about many others who have been killed by police besides George Floyd. A murder caught on video when people have been cooped up and staying home for weeks from the pandemic is a ripe time for this to blow up. Does it really matter that it's now vs some other police brutality causing the uproar?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

A lot of the coverage and protests are talking about many others who have been killed by police besides George Floyd. A murder caught on video when people have been cooped up and staying home for weeks from the pandemic is a ripe time for this to blow up. Does it really matter that it's now vs some other police brutality causing the uproar?

There’s not “many” others who have been killed by police. Or I guess it depends on how you define many. 10 last year. 10 black deaths by police. How many in Chicago alone this year? 

 

[Deamon]

MT has accepted his apology. 

Of course he did.  He needs Drew to throw to him so he can crush Parker's numbers this year.

 

[Vandelay]

Sigh.  This is not a left/right issue.  

One group has been doing most of the talking for a few hundred years.  That group now needs to do some listening.  Doesn't mean that group has to agree with everything they hear, but you can't *actually* hear something while you are still talking.  So, a good start is to be quiet, listen, and empathize.  The worst that can happen is you end up exactly where you started.  But maybe, just maybe, you'll hear something that makes you consider things you haven't thought of before.  

 

[JohnnyU]

Sigh.  This is not a left/right issue.  

One group has been doing most of the talking for a few hundred years.  That group now needs to do some listening.  Doesn't mean that group has to agree with everything they hear, but you can't *actually* hear something while you are still talking.  So, a good start is to be quiet, listen, and empathize.  The worst that can happen is you end up exactly where you started.  But maybe, just maybe, you'll hear something that makes you consider things you haven't thought of before.  

The left / right thing is mostly due to some of the statements in this thread.  I believe most agree we need to look at the racial injustices of police brutality. 

 

[Deamon]

What a horrible human being this guy Drew Brees is. Gives MILLIONS to charity to help ALL people in his home state and around the world. This is just stupid to try and find fault with a guy who's never done a single thing unethical in the public eye. 

So because he has done good things in the past, he's forgiven for anything he does in the future?
 

Good, charitable people can still be insensitive to, and benefit from education on, others' experiences and pain

Yes he has done some good things, but also some bad things.  I've never thought overly highly of Drew.  He's done some great things and everyone is always so quick to make someone a hero when they hug their kids after breaking a record.  People are also quick to villainize as well and I can see that. 

I think Drew is an OK guy.  Done some great things, done some not so great things.  This is one of the not so great things.  Despite what he said, even if you agree with his words, it was a stupid time to say them.

 

[IHEARTFF]

There’s not “many” others who have been killed by police. Or I guess it depends on how you define many. 10 last year. 10 black deaths by police. How many in Chicago alone this year? 

Police kill a lot more than 10 people per year, but maybe you mean killing of unarmed black people. There is no need to do what about Chicago to the police brutality issue.