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Drill! Drill! Drill! Wall Street Journal Article (1 Viewer)

Linus Scrimmage

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Drill! Drill! Drill!

Charles de Gaulle once wrote off the nation of Brazil in six words: "Brazil is not a serious country." How much time is left before someone says the same of the United States?

One thing Brazil and the U.S. have in common is the price of oil: It is priced in dollars, and everyone in the world now knows what the price is. Another commonality is that each country has vast oil reserves in waters off their coastlines.

Here we may draw a line in the waves between the serious and the unserious.

Brazil discovered only yesterday (November) that billions of barrels of oil sit in difficult water beneath a swath of the Santos Basin, 180 miles offshore from Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo. The U.S. has known for decades that at least 8.5 billion proven barrels of oil sit off its Pacific, Atlantic and Gulf coasts, with the Interior Department estimating 86 billion barrels of undiscovered oil resources.

When Brazil made this find last November, did its legislature announce that, for fear of oil spills hitting Rio's beaches or altering the climate, it would forgo exploiting these fields?

Of course it didn't. Guilherme Estrella, director of exploration and production for the Brazilian oil company Petrobras, said, "It's an extraordinary position for Brazil to be in." Indeed it is.

At this point in time, is there another country on the face of the earth that would possess the oil and gas reserves held by the United States and refuse to exploit them? Only technical incompetence, as in Mexico, would hold anyone back.

But not us. We won't drill.

California won't drill for the estimated 1.3 billion barrels of recoverable oil off its coast because of bad memories of the Santa Barbara oil spill – in 1969.

We won't drill for the estimated 5.6 billion to 16 billion barrels of oil in the moonscape known as the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) because of – the caribou.

In 1990, George H.W. Bush, calling himself "the environmental president," signed an order putting virtually all the U.S. outer continental shelf's oil and gas reserves in the deep freeze. Bill Clinton extended that lockup until 2013. A Clinton veto also threw away the key to ANWR's oil 13 years ago.

Our waters may hold 60 trillion untapped cubic feet of natural gas. As in Brazil, these are surely conservative estimates.

While Brazilians proudly embrace Petrobras, yelling "We're Going to Be No. 1," the U.S.'s Democratic nominee for president, Barack Obama, promises to impose an "excess profits tax" on American oil producers.

We live in a world in which Russia's Vladimir Putin and Venezuela's Hugo Chávez use their vast oil and gas reserves as instruments of state power. Here, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid use their control of Congress to spend a week debating a "climate-change" bill. This they did fresh off their subsidized (and bipartisan) ethanol fiasco.

One may assume that Mr. Putin and the Chinese have noticed the policy obsessions of our political class. While other nations use their oil reserves to attain world status, we give ours up. Why shouldn't they conclude that, long term, these people can be taken? Nikita Khrushchev said, "We will bury you." Forget that. We'll do it ourselves.

Putin intimidates Ukraine, Georgia, the Baltic states and Poland with oil and gas cutoffs, while Chávez uses petrodollars to bankroll Colombian terrorists. Cuba plans to exploit its Caribbean oil fields within a long tee shot of the Florida Keys with help from India, Spain, Venezuela, Canada, Norway, Malaysia, even Vietnam. But America won't drill. Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida said just last month he's afraid of an oil spill. Katrina wrecked the oil rigs in the Gulf with no significant damage from leaking oil.

Some portion of the current $4-per-gallon gasoline may be attributable to the Federal Reserve's inflationary monetary policy or even speculators. But we can wave goodbye to the $1.25/gallon gasoline that in 1990 allowed a President Bush to airily lock away the nation's oil and gas jewels. This isn't your father's world of energy. New world powers are coming online fast, and they need energy. We need to get back in the game.

The goal shouldn't be "energy independence," a ridiculous notion in an economically integrated world. It's about admitting the need to strike a balance between the energy and security realities of the here-and-now and the potentialities of the future. Some of our best and brightest want to pursue alternative energy technologies, and they should be encouraged to do so, inside market disciplines. But let's at least stop pretending the rest of the world is going to play along with our environmentalist moralisms.

The Democrats' climate-change bill collapsed last week under the weight of brutal cost realities. It was a wake-up call. This is the year Americans joined the real world of energy costs. Now someone needs to explain to them why we – and we alone – are sitting on an ocean of energy but won't drill for it.

You'd think the "national security" nominee, John McCain, would get this. He's clueless – a don't-drill zombie. We may mark this down as the year the U.S. tired of being a serious country.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121322872046666269.htmlHonestly people? Is there any other option?

 
I consider myself an environmentalist and I think we need to drill...and then use those profits to fund an AGGRESSIVE and COMPREHENSIVE energy strategy.

As soon as we get some effective leadership we might actually see this happen.

 
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Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?
Right now? In the next 10 years? another viable option? I'd like to hear it.Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????Who the hell can afford that?
I agree with you Linus. Our long term future may be powered by Wind, Water and the Sun. But the infrastructure of today that will hep us get to that future runs on oil and coal.In the short term, the nest 25 to 50 years, we need oil and we are foolish for not using the resources in our grasp.
 
What good is drilling when we haven't built a new refinery in 30 years??

The current refineries can only do so much and if a hurricane hits one of the refineries $4/gallon will look like :goodposting:

Should we look to drill our own oil?? :yes:

But we should also think about building at least one new refinery at the same time.

 
What good is drilling when we haven't built a new refinery in 30 years??The current refineries can only do so much and if a hurricane hits one of the refineries $4/gallon will look like :goodposting:Should we look to drill our own oil?? :yes:But we should also think about building at least one new refinery at the same time.
Another point FOR drilling in these places.Not one single drop was spilled during katrina.
 
What good is drilling when we haven't built a new refinery in 30 years??The current refineries can only do so much and if a hurricane hits one of the refineries $4/gallon will look like :goodposting:Should we look to drill our own oil?? :yes:But we should also think about building at least one new refinery at the same time.
I think that goes without saying...it's becoming a point of national security...if the American oil companies aren't going to build them, then the US government needs to...I'll doubt it will come to that, but the shells and halliburtons need to pull their heads out.
 
Should we drill on our soil? Yes.

Should we build more refineries? Yes.

Should we build nukes? Yes.

Will we? :no: :lmao:

 
Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?
Right now? In the next 10 years? another viable option? I'd like to hear it.Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????

Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
 
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What good is drilling when we haven't built a new refinery in 30 years??<br /><br />The current refineries can only do so much and if a hurricane hits one of the refineries $4/gallon will look like <img src="http://forumimages.footballguys.com/style_emoticons/default/2cents.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":no:" border="0" alt="2cents.gif" /><Should we look to drill our own oil?? <img src="http://forumimages.footballguys.com/style_emoticons/default/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lmao:" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /><But we should also think about building at least one new refinery at the same time.
I think that goes without saying...it's becoming a point of national security...if the American oil companies aren't going to build them, then the US government needs to...I'll doubt it will come to that, but the shells and halliburtons need to pull their heads out.
The American populace and American government need to pull their heads out. It's no wonder there's no motivation on the part of companies to do this considering the toxic political environment they would have to work under.
 
Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?quote]Right now? In the next 10 years? another viable option? I'd like to hear it.Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
It will still be years before any viable alternative energy source comes online. Time to get started now.
 
Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?
Right now? In the next 10 years? another viable option? I'd like to hear it.Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????

Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
It's really frustrating because you were probably saying those exact words in 2000.
 
Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?
Right now? In the next 10 years? another viable option? I'd like to hear it.Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????

Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
But it will put pressure on other countries to increase their output...supply is going to go way up once we start tapping our oil fields.Also, are you sure it's 10 years...I remember reading it was just 3 years...not including refinement.

 
Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?
Right now? In the next 10 years? another viable option? I'd like to hear it.Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????

Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
if we dont do it.talk to me in 10 years when were the united states of Iraq

 
Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?quote]Right now? In the next 10 years? another viable option? I'd like to hear it.Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
It will still be years before any viable alternative energy source comes online. Time to get started now.
Right it is time to get started. On the next generation of energy. Time to put away the oil. Time to spend the next ten years developing alternative sources and methods of fueling our lives.
 
Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?
Right now? In the next 10 years? another viable option? I'd like to hear it.Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????

Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
if we dont do it.talk to me in 10 years when were the united states of Iraq
:shrug:
 
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Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
<br />Honestly people? Is there any other option?
<br /><br />Seriously?<br />
<br /><br />Right now? <b>In the next 10 years?</b> another viable option? I'd like to hear it.<br /><br />Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????<br />Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
It's really frustrating because you were probably saying those exact words in 2000.
It's his textbook answer each time. He thinks we can just wish the oil standard away. It ain't happening anytime soon.
 
Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?
Right now? In the next 10 years? another viable option? I'd like to hear it.Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????

Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
It's really frustrating because you were probably saying those exact words in 2000.
:shrug: in 2000 gas was 1 dollar a gallon so no one cared.

it's 4 a gallon now, so it's time to act

 
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Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?quote]Right now? In the next 10 years? another viable option? I'd like to hear it.Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
It will still be years before any viable alternative energy source comes online. Time to get started now.<br />
Right it is time to get started. On the next generation of energy. Time to put away the oil.
You're absolutely delusional if you think this is going to happen within the next 10 years.
 
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?
Seriously. What's your other option?
My comment was more in the "How does drilling on our soil actually address the current problems of expensive gas and other fuels?"It'll be 10+ years before we'd see any impact at the pump. Refineries must be built, pipelines must be rebuilt and expanded, and this is still a dying technology that the longer we embrace, the more to our detriment it becomes. We're better off dealing with the fact that cheap gas isn't an American right, and finding ways to change our useage patterns, as well as taking the huge oil subsidies and reinvesting those in an energy policy that will yield more efficient results in the future.DRILL DRILL DRILL is the short-sighted answer that will only enrich the oil companies and prolong our nation's energy problems.
 
Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?quote]Right now? In the next 10 years? another viable option? I'd like to hear it.Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
It will still be years before any viable alternative energy source comes online. Time to get started now.
Right it is time to get started. On the next generation of energy. Time to put away the oil. Time to spend the next ten years developing alternative sources and methods of fueling our lives.
and time to pay more than 5 dollars a gallon to heat our homes?you should be president. Can we put you on the ballot? Oh wait, you already are under the name McCain.
 
I consider myself an environmentalist and I think we need to drill...and then use those profits to fund an AGGRESSIVE and COMPREHENSIVE energy strategy.As soon as we get some effective leadership we might actually see this happen.
So, never.
 
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Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?quote]Right now? In the next 10 years? another viable option? I'd like to hear it.Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
It will still be years before any viable alternative energy source comes online. Time to get started now.<br />
Right it is time to get started. On the next generation of energy. Time to put away the oil.
You're absolutely delusional if you think this is going to happen within the next 10 years.
Right. On this very page we have Toyota rolling out a hydrogen fuel cell based car that has long range capabilities. Today. Not ten years from now. Personally hydrogen isn't my go to but it goes to show how close we are to being able to start moving away from oil.
 
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?
Seriously. What's your other option?
My comment was more in the "How does drilling on our soil actually address the current problems of expensive gas and other fuels?"It'll be 10+ years before we'd see any impact at the pump. Refineries must be built, pipelines must be rebuilt and expanded, and this is still a dying technology that the longer we embrace, the more to our detriment it becomes.

We're better off dealing with the fact that cheap gas isn't an American right, and finding ways to change our useage patterns, as well as taking the huge oil subsidies and reinvesting those in an energy policy that will yield more efficient results in the future.

DRILL DRILL DRILL is the short-sighted answer that will only enrich the oil companies and prolong our nation's energy problems.
:shrug:
 
We're better off dealing with the fact that cheap gas isn't an American right, and finding ways to change our useage patterns, as well as taking the huge oil subsidies and reinvesting those in an energy policy that will yield more efficient results in the future.DRILL DRILL DRILL is the short-sighted answer that will only enrich the oil companies and prolong our nation's energy problems.
Why can't we drill for the resources we know we have in our backyard while simultaneously invest in alternative energy sources? It's not an "either/or" situation we have to subject ourselves to.
 
Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?quote]Right now? In the next 10 years? another viable option? I'd like to hear it.Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
It will still be years before any viable alternative energy source comes online. Time to get started now.
Right it is time to get started. On the next generation of energy. Time to put away the oil. Time to spend the next ten years developing alternative sources and methods of fueling our lives.
and time to pay more than 5 dollars a gallon to heat our homes?you should be president. Can we put you on the ballot? Oh wait, you already are under the name McCain.
:shrug:
 
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Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
<br />Honestly people? Is there any other option?
<br /><br />Seriously?<br />
<br /><br />Right now? <b>In the next 10 years?</b> another viable option? I'd like to hear it.<br /><br />Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????<br />Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
It's really frustrating because you were probably saying those exact words in 2000.
It's his textbook answer each time. He thinks we can just wish the oil standard away. It ain't happening anytime soon.
Actually my answer in 2000 was the same it is today. Start developing alternatives to oil. Then no one listened because oil was going to be cheap forever and we didn't need to. I was justa delusional tree hugger. Now those same people want to drill everything in sight to make up for their lack of foresight then. And allegedly I am still the delusional one. Go figure.
 
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?
Seriously. What's your other option?
My comment was more in the "How does drilling on our soil actually address the current problems of expensive gas and other fuels?"It'll be 10+ years before we'd see any impact at the pump. Refineries must be built, pipelines must be rebuilt and expanded, and this is still a dying technology that the longer we embrace, the more to our detriment it becomes. We're better off dealing with the fact that cheap gas isn't an American right, and finding ways to change our useage patterns, as well as taking the huge oil subsidies and reinvesting those in an energy policy that will yield more efficient results in the future.DRILL DRILL DRILL is the short-sighted answer that will only enrich the oil companies and prolong our nation's energy problems.
Supply and demand.More oil = cheaper prices
 
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Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
<br />Honestly people? Is there any other option?
<br /><br />Seriously?<br />
<br /><br />Right now? <b>In the next 10 years?</b> another viable option? I'd like to hear it.<br /><br />Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????<br />Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
It's really frustrating because you were probably saying those exact words in 2000.
It's his textbook answer each time. He thinks we can just wish the oil standard away. It ain't happening anytime soon.
Actually my answer in 2000 was the same it is today. Start developing alternatives to oil. Then no one listened because oil was going to be cheap forever and we didn't need to. I was justa delusional tree hugger. Now those same people want to drill everything in sight to make up for their lack of foresight then. And allegedly I am still the delusional one. Go figure.
This is a serious question, and I'm not trying to fish or anything. Is the "unofficial" energy stance for you, and likely many in the DFL ranks, to ensure gas prices are as high as possible to spur alternative energies?
 
Wait...does it really take 10 years for an offshore platform to start producing? I find that hard to believe.
No...the political sides exaggerate on both ends...I've heard/read that crude can be extracted in as few as 3 years.
 
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We're better off dealing with the fact that cheap gas isn't an American right, and finding ways to change our useage patterns, as well as taking the huge oil subsidies and reinvesting those in an energy policy that will yield more efficient results in the future.DRILL DRILL DRILL is the short-sighted answer that will only enrich the oil companies and prolong our nation's energy problems.
Why can't we drill for the resources we know we have in our backyard while simultaneously invest in alternative energy sources? It's not an "either/or" situation we have to subject ourselves to.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting:
 
We're better off dealing with the fact that cheap gas isn't an American right, and finding ways to change our useage patterns, as well as taking the huge oil subsidies and reinvesting those in an energy policy that will yield more efficient results in the future.DRILL DRILL DRILL is the short-sighted answer that will only enrich the oil companies and prolong our nation's energy problems.
Why can't we drill for the resources we know we have in our backyard while simultaneously invest in alternative energy sources? It's not an "either/or" situation we have to subject ourselves to.
:thumbup:
:thumbup:
 
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Linus Scrimmage said:
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
<br />Honestly people? Is there any other option?
<br /><br />Seriously?<br />
<br /><br />Right now? <b>In the next 10 years?</b> another viable option? I'd like to hear it.<br /><br />Forget the price of gas. Do you realize the cost of home heating oil is nearing 5.00 a gallon??????<br />Who the hell can afford that?
How about it will take a minimum of ten years for any of these fields to produce their first drop of oil?
It's really frustrating because you were probably saying those exact words in 2000.
It's his textbook answer each time. He thinks we can just wish the oil standard away. It ain't happening anytime soon.
Actually my answer in 2000 was the same it is today. Start developing alternatives to oil. Then no one listened because oil was going to be cheap forever and we didn't need to. I was justa delusional tree hugger. Now those same people want to drill everything in sight to make up for their lack of foresight then. And allegedly I am still the delusional one. Go figure.
This is a serious question, and I'm not trying to fish or anything. Is the "unofficial" energy stance for you, and likely many in the DFL ranks, to ensure gas prices are as high as possible to spur alternative energies?
I don't know who or what the DFL is.For me I would have preferred we started down this path far earlier than today. I lived through the embargo in '73. That is what help formed my opinions on our need to be oil independent. It was a matter of national security that no one addressed for over 30 years. Anytime you brought it up you were just a tree hugger that wanted to ruin the economy. Well had the tree huggers been listened to on this we would be much better off than we are today.So if it takes getting into peoples pockets to finally do what we should have been doing for the last 3 decades then so be it. If we can do it while oil is cheap then so be it. We just need to do it already.
 
vandyt said:
Linus Scrimmage said:
Honestly people? Is there any other option?
Seriously?
Seriously. What's your other option?
My comment was more in the "How does drilling on our soil actually address the current problems of expensive gas and other fuels?"It'll be 10+ years before we'd see any impact at the pump. Refineries must be built, pipelines must be rebuilt and expanded, and this is still a dying technology that the longer we embrace, the more to our detriment it becomes.

We're better off dealing with the fact that cheap gas isn't an American right, and finding ways to change our useage patterns, as well as taking the huge oil subsidies and reinvesting those in an energy policy that will yield more efficient results in the future.

DRILL DRILL DRILL is the short-sighted answer that will only enrich the oil companies and prolong our nation's energy problems.
:rolleyes:
Oil is still going to be a big part of the equation. I'm all for alternative energy development, but it needs to be combined with oil-shale technology, and more drilling. The idea that we should put all of our resources in alternative enregy is as short-sighted as putting all of our resources in oil was.
 
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Wait...does it really take 10 years for an offshore platform to start producing? I find that hard to believe.
No...the political sides exaggerate on both ends...I've heard/read that crude can be extracted in as few as 3 years.
It depends completely on the field. Now lets deal with the other side of the issue. There isn't a single rig manufacturer that doesn't have a serious backlog. So that adds to the timeline. There is a general shipping shortage that means delays in placing rigs. Another delay. There is a general shortage in tanker ships meaning that any new supply that comes online without an attendant pipeline is going to be waiting to ship. And if we have to build sea based pipelines that adds to the timeline.
 
Wait...does it really take 10 years for an offshore platform to start producing? I find that hard to believe.
No...the political sides exaggerate on both ends...I've heard/read that crude can be extracted in as few as 3 years.
It depends completely on the field. Now lets deal with the other side of the issue. There isn't a single rig manufacturer that doesn't have a serious backlog. So that adds to the timeline. There is a general shipping shortage that means delays in placing rigs. Another delay. There is a general shortage in tanker ships meaning that any new supply that comes online without an attendant pipeline is going to be waiting to ship. And if we have to build sea based pipelines that adds to the timeline.
Then we need more rig manufacturers and more ships to ship oil. If this country can take down Hitler's Europe, I'm pretty sure we can build oil rigs and oil ships.
 
Wait...does it really take 10 years for an offshore platform to start producing? I find that hard to believe.
No...the political sides exaggerate on both ends...I've heard/read that crude can be extracted in as few as 3 years.
It depends completely on the field. Now lets deal with the other side of the issue. There isn't a single rig manufacturer that doesn't have a serious backlog. So that adds to the timeline. There is a general shipping shortage that means delays in placing rigs. Another delay. There is a general shortage in tanker ships meaning that any new supply that comes online without an attendant pipeline is going to be waiting to ship. And if we have to build sea based pipelines that adds to the timeline.
Then we need more rig manufacturers and more ships to ship oil. If this country can take down Hitler's Europe, I'm pretty sure we can build oil rigs and oil ships.
Yeah because ship yards don't take time. And when you get done investing billions upon billions in the infrastructre needed to produce new oil where will the financial incentives be? Replacing that oil or getting every penny out of the investment made?
 
Yeah because ship yards don't take time. And when you get done investing billions upon billions in the infrastructre needed to produce new oil where will the financial incentives be?
oil companies seem to be doing just fine...if it's a government endeavor the nice part is that it doesn't necessarily have to be profitable...a simple break even would suffice just fine...if we had the 10% profits that oil companies do, those billions can be used to fund green energy technologies.Why is this not on the table?
 
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Supply and demand.

More oil = cheaper prices
That's an oversimplification. The current spike in gas prices is related to several factors that have little to do with a lack of oil supply.Link

For weeks now, oil industry analysts have watched in amazement as oil's price kept climbing, even though government statistics showed that the country had ample supplies of oil and gasoline on hand. Gloomy news about the economy should have pulled oil down, because demand for petroleum usually slumps in a recession. But the bull market barely shrugged.
Plus, something like 75% of the oil used in the US is produced domestically, so it's not like this is all tied to our dependence on foreign oil.
 
Wait...does it really take 10 years for an offshore platform to start producing? I find that hard to believe.
No...the political sides exaggerate on both ends...I've heard/read that crude can be extracted in as few as 3 years.
The time scales associated with finding/discovering the oil/gas, determining how much is there, obtaining the necessary government permits, building the platforms, then connecting them to shore via pipeline or shuttle tankers can take up to 10 years. Reasons for that are- with possible exception of Destin Dome area offshore Fla, most of the rest of these hydrocarbon reserves are in very deep water (more than 5000 or 6000 ft of water), far from shore, and/or in inhospitable weather conditions (N Slope, E Coast, etc). The costs for large projects just to put the platform, pipelines and drill field development wells can be several Billion dollars. Typically from time of discovery to first production takes 8-10 years.Realistically to have an impact we need to start now so we can get these hydrocarbons to market in 8-10 years. So far the political will/climate of states like Fla, CA etc hold the rest of the country hostage because they dont want drilling to occur offshore. (e.g. the Destin Dome area offshore Fla Panhandle has discovered GAS reserves but we cannot develop them because Fla is afraid of an OIL spill on its beaches-to my knowledge there is little to NO oil associated with these gas deposits, so there you can see how people's fears impact the country.) What really needs to happen is the country and its politicians need to have a lesson in what it takes to find and develop hydrocarbons. then they/we need to embark upon a targeted campaign to find those hydrocarbons we can (oil and gas), put them in production, build more refineries (where?-this is the NIMBY mentality too!!), and in concert with this fund expanded research into the feasibility of alternative energy sources. Realize that these alternatives will not have an impact soon (next 10+years) but are more likely to be replacements in 30+years....Its easy to blame the politicians for the stances they take, both state and national, but what it really will take is a groundswell of individual people (voters) who express their desire to exploit these resources off CA, FLa, N Slope, E Coast, oil shale, etc.....until that happens the only thing that will happen is folks will vent in Forums like this and we wont get anywhere.....its like the Social Secuirty System, Health Care, etc - nothing will happen in Gov't until the dire end is near and then it may be too late!!tex
 
Wait...does it really take 10 years for an offshore platform to start producing? I find that hard to believe.
No...the political sides exaggerate on both ends...I've heard/read that crude can be extracted in as few as 3 years.
The time scales associated with finding/discovering the oil/gas, determining how much is there, obtaining the necessary government permits, building the platforms, then connecting them to shore via pipeline or shuttle tankers can take up to 10 years. Reasons for that are- with possible exception of Destin Dome area offshore Fla, most of the rest of these hydrocarbon reserves are in very deep water (more than 5000 or 6000 ft of water), far from shore, and/or in inhospitable weather conditions (N Slope, E Coast, etc). The costs for large projects just to put the platform, pipelines and drill field development wells can be several Billion dollars. Typically from time of discovery to first production takes 8-10 years.
Well, we've already discovered it...and the government can expedite their processes. Is it unreasonable to assume that if it's a matter of national security what used to take 8 years can take 4 or 5 years?
 
Anytime you brought it up you were just a tree hugger that wanted to ruin the economy. Well had the tree huggers been listened to on this we would be much better off than we are today.

So if it takes getting into peoples pockets to finally do what we should have been doing for the last 3 decades then so be it. If we can do it while oil is cheap then so be it. We just need to do it already.

Ok - at least ask your treehugger friends to get onboard Nuclear power.

 
Anytime you brought it up you were just a tree hugger that wanted to ruin the economy. Well had the tree huggers been listened to on this we would be much better off than we are today.So if it takes getting into peoples pockets to finally do what we should have been doing for the last 3 decades then so be it. If we can do it while oil is cheap then so be it. We just need to do it already.
Ok - at least ask your treehugger friends to get onboard Nuclear power.
We are.
 
We're better off dealing with the fact that cheap gas isn't an American right, and finding ways to change our useage patterns, as well as taking the huge oil subsidies and reinvesting those in an energy policy that will yield more efficient results in the future.DRILL DRILL DRILL is the short-sighted answer that will only enrich the oil companies and prolong our nation's energy problems.
Why can't we drill for the resources we know we have in our backyard while simultaneously invest in alternative energy sources? It's not an "either/or" situation we have to subject ourselves to.
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Wow - LHucks is right on (and NCC is dead wrong). We need a short term answer and a long term answer. The long term answer (alternatives) is coming just due to the expense of oil. Any drilling from now on probably won't bring oil down (maybe moderate it a tad), but it sure will help keep it from rising through the roof. What we need is ANWR opened, the 50-100 mile Atlantic shelf opened, and the oil shales opened. NOW. Take the taxes from that and plow them right into alternatives.If we don't moderate the price of oil all those monies which could be used for R&D will be heading to Saudi Arabia. I'd rather keep them here. There are obviously folks in this country who would rather see us bankrupt and technology dependent on those countries which are doing heavy R&D than drilling and getting us both technologically and economically there. There are two variables here and both need to be tended to. Too many just see one.
 
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